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Guntaro
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Posted - 2006.01.11 06:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Calshir
You could be a spy for an enemy alliance scouting ahead for them, giving them vital information about numbers and types of ships, they just don';t know and in war it's a case of shoot first and sod the questions.
Sorry but the 'spy' excuse is the most worn out and lame excuse there is. I just don't believe that for one second and neither should any other player with an ounce of intelligence.
1 case in 10 does not justify it as a rule. Just admit it is ganking purely out of enjoyment and preseve what
shred of dignity is left.
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2006.01.11 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Calshir
Originally by: Guntaro
Edited by: Guntaro on 11/01/2006 06:41:20
Well since you say you live in 0.0 I assume then that you are referring to the lame ganking and podding on sight tactics of the evil alliance players whom I personally consider the lowest of all the gankers.
Well there is an alliance named just that, NBSI (not blue shoot it)
The point you seem to be missing is that if you are flying around in 0.0 and are unknown to the alliance that occupies that space then yes you will get shot, not because it's fun or ammusing but because the alliance concerned have put a lot of time effort and ISK into taking over that region of space.
You could be a spy for an enemy alliance scouting ahead for them, giving them vital information about numbers and types of ships, they just don';t know and in war it's a case of shoot first and sod the questions.
Yeah. I've heard that one a few times. Don't really buy it. In some cases, sure. But if Mr.AllianceMember happens upon NoobNPCer in a system that is 10 jumps from anything of value but is still "tecnnically" controlled by the alliance, and he talks with him and finds out he is a freindly guy just trying to make some isk npcing a no name dead end system, why does he need to "rally the allaince" and "call for support" to "get rid of the evil spy" so he dosent "report vital alliance statistics" to "the enemy"? Most random noobs you might happen upon in quiet 0.0 system just want peace and quiet and will even leave if told to. (If there is some sort of reason they must leave (to another system), like you want to use the system) But making a 7 jump 1-way flight cuz you see 1 dot on your f10 map only to tell some poor npcer or noob ninja miner to get out of there is just silly.
Yeah, its nice making alliances sound all patriotic and vigalent and brave defending "their space" that "they shed blood for" but in reality most alliances have claimed WAAAY more solar systems than they need or can even police. Wasting an hour of your time to get some noob to leave some 100% insignificant system is just silly. Why be a ****?
Yeah, I'm using a more extreme example of "the poor noob in the no-name system" but my point still stands. Most of the time that non-combatants are ganked etc by "alliance members" "protecting their space" it is just pure bull****.
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Kager o
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Posted - 2006.01.11 06:59:00 -
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I've lost 5 battleships, a few t2 frigs and about 120 million in implants in the last 7 days.
But some how, that doesn't stop me from engaging multiple enemies knowing that I may not have a single chance of surviving.
Is that stupidity or bravery?
I haven't figured that part out yet. All I know is that I live for the thrill of the fight itself, not to gloat at the victory of a 15 vs 1 gate camp kill afterwards.
Hey Wolfgang, you may want to mention that you haven't lost a ship in the last 2 months because you haven't been ONLINE! Log in and give me some suga baby.
(ps: I'll still kill you in a gate camp though)
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:00:00 -
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lol... you are so wrong. Welcome to eve.
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Sochin
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:00:00 -
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I was typing up a bulleted rebuttle to this, but I realize that it doesn't actually deserve one since it is one of the stupidest things I've read on the forums recently.
Instead, I will post an amusing image of a man injuring himself while practicing Martial Arts:
Nemo me impune lacessit
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Guntaro
Originally by: Calshir
You could be a spy for an enemy alliance scouting ahead for them, giving them vital information about numbers and types of ships, they just don';t know and in war it's a case of shoot first and sod the questions.
Sorry but the 'spy' excuse is the most worn out and lame excuse there is. I just don't believe that for one second and neither should any other player with an ounce of intelligence.
1 case in 10 does not justify it as a rule. Just admit it is ganking purely out of enjoyment and preseve what
shred of dignity is left.
Shows how much you know. We get them all the time scouting ahead to see if it's worth brining their fleet in.
How about you stop hugging empire and find out?
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
Originally by: WolfGang H
In *ANY* MMO, what self respecting true PVPer enjoys hanging out in groups? Think about that.
If you're not going to do stuff in groups, what's the point of an MMO? Yes, I know other MMOs don't completely grasp this point, that's why I don't play them.
Here is something to do in a group. Take out a POS. After hearing about a large enemy pvp fleet, form your own large pvp fleet and destroy it. Mine stuff and defend your miners. NPC. Run complexes.
Camp gates and gank outnumbered non-combatants? No. Nope. Wrong.
Fly around in the middle of nowhere in a fleet with 15 BS hoping to catch some stray corps mining operation who thought they would give 0.0 a go? No. Nope. Wrong.
I'm not saying all gate camping in large groups is wrong. I'm not saying all maurauding in large pvp greoups is wrong. But when you log in day after day, spending most of your time in gank groups, getting pleasure and posting your uber kill mails of haulers frigates noobs NPCing battleships and outnumbered people, you become a pretty pathetic person. I guess I'm just posting to let people know that if the fall under the categories that I'm describing, there are people out there who believe them to be pathetic. If a lot of people thoughtthis same way soon it would be a "bad" thing to live to gank non-combatants and only the lowest of the scum, the people with no self-respect, would do it.
Right now it's pretty much mainstream.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: WolfGang H
Anyone flying around in interceptors or in big groups of ships looking for that fast easy kill is a coward.
What if you run into another gang of interceptors. It happens. A lot.
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What do interceptors kill best? NPC set up battleships (non combatants) haulers (non combatants) mining ships (non combatants) frigates (noobs and poor people) and other interceptors (bottom feeders).
Actually, I've led small ship squads into the middle of a BS fleet, taken one down and then gotten the hell out with minimal or no losses. Hit and runs do work on somthing other than mining ops.
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In *ANY* MMO, what self respecting true PVPer enjoys hanging out in groups? Think about that.
People who enjoy the company of like-minded peers, both as it relates to the game and out of game interests? Mature adults who come together for the thrill of a common goal and are just as comfortable flying in an inty gank squad as fighting a 30 vs 30 battleship fleet fight?
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PVPers should fight PVPers and either ransom or ignore non combatants. You dont have to destroy everything you see.
I'm seriously thinking about starting an organization like that up...
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BTW, if you ransom correctly you will make more isk than if you just blindly randomly pk, and the people who you ransomed, if they are smart, will respect you for ransoming instead of killing.
You have an alt in S*****rdly, don't you?
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sochin
I was typing up a bulleted rebuttle to this, but I realize that it doesn't actually deserve one since it is one of the stupidest things I've read on the forums recently.
Instead, I will post an amusing image of a man injuring himself while practicing Martial Arts:
Eventhough yuor post was designed to go "against me." I laughed at the wording and at the pic, and I hope a mod does not soon delete it...so others can enjoy.
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:05:00 -
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jeez stop feeding the troll already
this WolfGang guy just hasn't yet realized the simple nature of PvP. His vision of how things should be is unnatural, flawed, even grotesque in the way he wants to impose artificial rules to change the natural flow of things.
Maybe in some other universe his views would coincide with the way things are, but not in the universe of EVE
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: Face Lifter
jeez stop feeding the troll already
this WolfGang guy just hasn't yet realized the simple nature of PvP. His vision of how things should be is unnatural, flawed, even grotesque in the way he wants to impose artificial rules to change the natural flow of things.
Maybe in some other universe his views would coincide with the way things are, but not in the universe of EVE
I have valid points which I believe in and to some may be interesting and to others may be annoying. By virtue of that alone I am not trolling. You just labled an innocent man as a troll. What does that make you?
My veiws seem very fair and openminded to me. I'm not an anti-pvp freak. If you think all I'm doing is whining about the mean pks who did mean things to me you are sorely mistaken.
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:09:00 -
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Edited by: dantes inferno on 11/01/2006 07:12:57
ok reasons for killing non alliance members in alliance space for idiots
1) possiblity of been a spy
2) possiblity of making BM's for enemy alliance
3) chaining in your space - could end up getting one of the rare officer spawns. why should some one who puts no effort or isk/time into making the space as secure as possibly reap the benefits of the work done by alliance members
4) mining in alliance space - same reason as 3
5) possiblity of fiering on alliance members - why let an unkown into your space who may attack you? \
the point on alliances is to make safe and secure space for the alliance members to build a home in. due to the lack of insta pwn concord( thank god for that) alliances do not have the luxury of giving the benefit of the doubt. hence if they dont know you...you will die for the reasons above and more.
now noobs corp spys are very commone...i know this as ive kileld plenty myself..and used the same tactic mumerous times.
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BTW, if you ransom correctly you will make more isk than if you just blindly randomly pk, and the people who you ransomed, if they are smart, will respect you for ransoming instead of killing.
one of the reasons that people dont ransome is due to the fact that the majority of the stable mature reasonable caerbears would rather tell you to f off, threaten to kill you in rl then eat your first born and stab your family to death with its bones than give you 20 mil to save a 100 mil ship..as they are under impression that by not paying you will give up your pirate ways...what these people dont relise is that they have helped create the very gank culture they hate with this attiude (and no im not a pirate nor have i ever done so...i just got somethign that many of the high sec empire dwelling cowards dont...common sence)
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:10:00 -
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I am a miner and I have been ganked many times in my Eve career. Did I start a thread WHINING about PvP as a whole? No.
Just learn from your mistakes and stop whining . . boo freaking hoo
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: dantes inferno
ok reasons for killing non alliance members in alliance space for idiots
1) possiblity of been a spy
2) possiblity of making BM's for enemy alliance
3) chaining in your space - could end up getting one of the rare officer spawns. why should some one who puts no effort or isk/time into making the space as secure as possibly reap the benefits of the work done by alliance members
4) mining in alliance space - same reason as 3
5) possiblity of fiering on alliance members - why let an unkown into your space who may attack you? \
the point on alliances is to make safe and secure space for the alliance members to build a home in. due to the lack of insta pwn concord( thank god for that) alliances do not have the luxury of giving the benefit of the doubt. hence if they dont know you...you will die for the reasons above and more.
now noobs corp spys are very commone...i know this as ive kileld plenty myself..and used the same tactic mumerous times.
From what I've seen, except in and directly around KEY SYSTEMS, G alliance is VERY friendly and open to "neutrals" and "unknowns" yet they do not have the problems you listed.
You are just giving theoretical reasions, not real reasons. I understand excluding people from key systems etc, but claiming 160 solar systems and then using their huge area as an excuse to kill pretty much anyone you ever happen to come across is just pathetic. Think about it.
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: ****take
I am a miner and I have been ganked many times in my Eve career. Did I start a thread WHINING about PvP as a whole? No.
Just learn from your mistakes and stop whining . . boo freaking hoo
F+
A plus for amusing me.
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Necrosmith
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:16:00 -
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Well, yeah it sure sucks getting ganked. All of my lost ships in lowsec space have been 3v1 gankage. Kind of annoying when you are passing through minding your own business and boom.
However, I understand the risk when I go into that space. I know it may be someone's territory, someone might kill me for profit or just for fun.
But, lowsec space is where all the good stuff is. No risk, no reward.
When I get ganked it ****es me off for about 5 mins, and I logoff and put the game away until my annoyance subsides then I come back.
Such is a pvp game.
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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:16:00 -
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Tell me what other MMO do you loose 80-90 mill everytime you loose a battleship, requiring hours of NPCing or whatever to make up the isk? When ever im out pvping its NBSI. That includes all shuttles tech 1 friggies and pods. If they are not killed they can roam free around our space giving enemy intel on our positions and generally be a pain in the ass. As for flying arround in big grooups of battleships, why the hell not? I dont know why you call it being a coward. In a war the main objective is inflicting as many losses on an enemy while trying to minimise your own losses. If you get outnumbered tough S***. You shouldnt have been there. War isnt fair the bigger fleet usually wins. If you go into an alliances territory expect to get outnumbered. In real life, wars arent won by people acting on their own, they are won by everyone working together to coordinate their efforts.
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:18:00 -
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Edited by: WolfGang H on 11/01/2006 07:18:33
Originally by: Necrosmith
Well, yeah it sure sucks getting ganked. All of my lost ships in lowsec space have been 3v1 gankage. Kind of annoying when you are passing through minding your own business and boom.
However, I understand the risk when I go into that space. I know it may be someone's territory, someone might kill me for profit or just for fun.
But, lowsec space is where all the good stuff is. No risk, no reward.
When I get ganked it ****es me off for about 5 mins, and I logoff and put the game away until my annoyance subsides then I come back.
Such is a pvp game.
Thats not so bad an attitude. I guess I just wish politics were more than just a thing big alliances and corporations get involved in, and even small groups of pvpers thought more in terms of "How can I most benefit from this hauler we just tackled?" as oppsed to the "ME BASH SHIP WITH ALL MY BUTT HUGGING FREINDS. HA HA HA." mentality.
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: WolfGang H
Originally by: ****take
I am a miner and I have been ganked many times in my Eve career. Did I start a thread WHINING about PvP as a whole? No.
Just learn from your mistakes and stop whining . . boo freaking hoo
F+
A plus for amusing me.
Let me guess, I get an F+ because I didn't coddle you in your little loss to those ebil pirates.
You sir get an F+ for starting this stupid thread and making yourself look weak and whinry.
You are what's wrong in Eve. You do not take sufficient precations in your activities and get ganked and it's everybody elses fault.
I hope your RL is not like this.
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:20:00 -
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Edited by: Ginger Magician on 11/01/2006 07:20:08
The OP has a point as it happens.
Mercenary Coalition are one the worst examples of cowardly gank squad lovers that i have seen in my in eve career.Not one of them could hold a candle to me in solo combat but they think they r so tough and brave flying in invunerable 20 interceptor and hac fleets.
I was recently chased by such a gang in placid and had to endure the usual garabage smack from these nobodies while easily evading them.I actually attempted to enage at range at one point and as soon as i fired missiles they either ran away or jumped - the second time they brought up a jammer to lock me down - after which i was apparently a coward cause i decided not to try fighting anymore.
Its pathetic really but thats the way EVE is.
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:20:00 -
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From what I've seen, except in and directly around KEY SYSTEMS, G alliance is VERY friendly and open to "neutrals" and "unknowns" yet they do not have the problems you listed.
mmhmm sure..very friendly indeed
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You are just giving theoretical reasions, not real reasons. I understand excluding people from key systems etc, but claiming 160 solar systems and then using their huge area as an excuse to kill pretty much anyone you ever happen to come across is just pathetic. Think about it.
not theretical...real reasons...ok use this example system abc is never used...but lies between system cde and fgh..im in cde with a hauler of zyd want to get to fgh to make my BS....but got to go through abc..where we allow neutrals..said neutral is bored and kills my hauler full of zyd which i was going to use to build a bs.
to keep the space safe and secure all systems are denied...to do otherwise makes it to difficult with the influx of neutrals flying all over the shop to get to the empty systems (and ofc the hundreds of alts in the herd..spying for enemies)
spy problems? look at the recent problem with ISS and bob where ISS was allowed into bob space..and every bob enemy and his dog put a alt in there to spy...this happens so many times with neutrals they will send a alt into enemy space to scout and spy for them
Simple fact is no one has the right to live in 0.0 it has to be earned..alliances do this every day...if you cant..tough whinning on the forums aint going to help what so ever,
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: aeti
the clueless factor is very high here :/
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:22:00 -
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Edited by: WolfGang H on 11/01/2006 07:24:38
Originally by: ****take
Originally by: WolfGang H
Originally by: ****take
I am a miner and I have been ganked many times in my Eve career. Did I start a thread WHINING about PvP as a whole? No.
Just learn from your mistakes and stop whining . . boo freaking hoo
F+
A plus for amusing me.
Let me guess, I get an F+ because I didn't coddle you in your little loss to those ebil pirates.
You sir get an F+ for starting this stupid thread and making yourself look weak and whinry.
You are what's wrong in Eve. You do not take sufficient precations in your activities and get ganked and it's everybody elses fault.
I hope your RL is not like this.
Ah, another person who assumes that because someone wants to have a civilized discussion concerning pvp, he must be whining and must have recently been ganked and he must be a noob who does not fully know the mechanics of EVE and does not yet know how to check the map, use the scanner, use scouts, scout for himself, use bookmarks, use common sense, and utilize all the tricks and methods of both escaping from harm and bringing harm upon those who would cause harm.
I change the score I gave you to an F- because you have no reading comprehension.
Go sit in the cornor.
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: aeti
the clueless factor is very high here :/
Sobody called me?
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Montero
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: WolfGang H
Originally by: twit brent
Hmm thats funny I cant realy think of any reason for a neutrel being in our space besides spying and trying to gank something.
You have a limited imagination.
if you're in someones space you ARE either spying, killing or using resources which you dont control. as such you WILL get hunted.
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: Montero
Hi. Im Montero. I pvp and i'm a coward. Im also better at eve than you, probably die less, and definatly moan less.
cry me a river build me a bridge etc.
Hi. I'm Wolfgang H. Learn to read. Thanks.
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kager o
I'll have to agree with one thing though, is the the high risk of loss that occurs with any death over a t1 cruiser or frig tends to have most people circling the wagons and hiding amongst larger crowds.
No matter how you look at it that way, going for larger numbers makes you a wuss.
I've only see a handful of people successfully fight small numbers vs large (even if they do lose), and hats off to them for using their brains instead of the "EVERYONE GANG UP!!! ONE HOSTILE IN LOCAL" card.
I don't need to list names, if your a real pvper you know who you are.
You have a good attitude. Wanna join my corp?
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:31:00 -
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Edited by: ****take on 11/01/2006 07:31:47
Edited by: ****take on 11/01/2006 07:31:01
Originally by: WolfGang H
Edited by: WolfGang H on 11/01/2006 07:24:38
Originally by: ****take
Originally by: WolfGang H
Originally by: ****take
I am a miner and I have been ganked many times in my Eve career. Did I start a thread WHINING about PvP as a whole? No.
Just learn from your mistakes and stop whining . . boo freaking hoo
F+
A plus for amusing me.
You are the person who started this supposed "civilized discussion" by calling roving gank squads cowards.
Originally by: WolfGang H
PVPers should fight PVPers and either ransom or ignore non combatants.
Why? Because that's the way YOU think the game should be? HINT: The game is not all about YOU. The world does not revolve around YOU.
Originally by: WolfGang H
But really, to have courage is to break away from the mob mentality and be your own person.
Once again, you think you know way more than the rest of us and your way is the best way. Doesn't matter that many folks have been here longer than you or have had different experiences than you and see it differently. You must be right. It;'s all about you aint it.
Please. Stop embarassing yourself.
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Montero
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: WolfGang H
Originally by: Montero
Hi. Im Montero. I pvp and i'm a coward. Im also better at eve than you, probably die less, and definatly moan less.
cry me a river build me a bridge etc.
Hi. I'm Wolfgang H. Learn to read. Thanks.
i can read, and in fact did read the whole thread before replying. my point still stands.
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Montero
Originally by: WolfGang H
Originally by: Montero
Hi. Im Montero. I pvp and i'm a coward. Im also better at eve than you, probably die less, and definatly moan less.
cry me a river build me a bridge etc.
Hi. I'm Wolfgang H. Learn to read. Thanks.
i can read, and in fact did read the whole thread before replying. my point still stands.
Both of our posts remind me of that one guys signature "Hi, I'm So-and-So. I want you to grate me all night long."
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