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Blind Man	Posted - 2006.01.11 20:16:00 - [121] So.. all pirates stop having fun, basicly.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.01.11 20:25:00 - [122] OMFG PEOPLE WHO WORK AS A TEAM ARE COWARDS NERF NERF REMOVE GANGS btw, looking at your recruitment campaign, do you plan on sending single ships up against "the systems 3 most prominant corporations"? retard
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.01.11 20:32:00 - [123] Originally by: Sarmaul OMFG PEOPLE WHO WORK AS A TEAM ARE COWARDS NERF NERF REMOVE GANGS LOL, good one. I fly solo a lot and don't begrudge the opposing side the use of numbers. If I get out-blobbed, I get out-blobbed - that's what safespotting, docking, or moving to another system is for. Hell, sometimes I'll take on opponents who outnumber and out-class me, and sometimes I even win, but for the most part I just play the game. Is it frustrating when you can't do anything because you're massively outnumbered? Yes, sometimes. So what? I don't begrudge the opposing players for having friends unless they're the type that refuses to fight unless the numbers are stacked 10-to-1 in their favor. -Wrayeth
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.01.11 20:46:00 - [124] Originally by: aeti Originally by: Ginger Magician Mercenary Coalition are one the worst examples of cowardly gank squad lovers that i have seen in my in eve career.Not one of them could hold a candle to me in solo combat What happened here then? That was a sniper setup ship which was defenceless and he used his nob corp alt in a helios to get my position and warp on top of me.Hardly a fair fight and typical of MC cowardly tactics though Farjung has seen the light and now plays solo to be fair to him.He is certainly one of the best pvpers in the game apart from myself actually although he still wont fight me 1v1 "May you die by the hand of a low life in real life for ruining the gaming experiance of others.Your scum and will never be anything better than the coward you are."
Farjung	Posted - 2006.01.11 21:08:00 - [125] lol. Anyway, we did fight a "pure" 1 v 1 once, after you waited for hours for my mega to come back from a hunting trip in your specially fitted for me gallente racial scorp. I engaged against my better judgement, but then you had to warp out because you ran out of cap :(. Glad to see TC are keeping you on your toes though.
Trevedian	Posted - 2006.01.11 21:10:00 - [126] Originally by: WolfGang H Originally by: Cadiz One, you seem to assume that most PvPers are killing for profit. May be so for the so-called "pirates", but most of the alliance PvPers have no real pretenses about it - they kill because it's fun. And if I had to guess, I'd say the alliance PvPers far outnumber the low-sec empire pirate types... Incidentally, I also like how you call all interceptor pilots cowards. God forbid that people fly interceptors because they enjoy high-speed combat or the heavy degree of personal finesse that comes into play in inty vs. inty combat! Let me guess: you got popped by a gatecamp that involved insta-locking tackleceptors today. Let me shed a tiny tear of sorrow for you, and then play a mournful note on this miniature violin here. Read my post above. You have been served. Thanks for trying. Do you think that it is possible for a person to post, not because something bad just happened to them, but because they believe what they are posting is true? OMFG A carebear just said "You Got Served!" I am a librarian, working atm, laughing at the top of my lungs. Patrons are looking at me like I'm nuts... Too funny! Why are u in a nub corp Wolfgang? Obviously you have never tried PVP, because you don't seem to have a clue about how it works. The Trevinator will give you private lessons, please bring your biggest ship and most expensive setup to meet me in 0.0. Convo me ingame if your interested... Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
Draximus Cane	Posted - 2006.01.11 21:18:00 - [127] To the Ginger one with appologies to The Black Eyed Peas Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry Hey, baby my nose is getting big I noticed it be growing when I been telling them fibs Now you say your trust's getting weaker Probably coz my lies just started getting deeper And the reason for my confession is that I learn my lesson And I really think you ought to know the truth Because I lied and I cheated and I lied a little more But after I did it I don't know what I did it for I admit that I have been a little immature ******* with your heart like I was the predator In my book of lies I was the editor And the author I forged my signature And now I apologise for what I did to you Cos what you did to me I did to you -------------------------------------------------
BigEejit	Posted - 2006.01.11 21:19:00 - [128] <puts on flame retardant undies> Ah well ... he should have known that saying anything vaugely anti-gate-camping was going to be blobbed by the pro "kill-em-all-preferably-while-they-are-alone-and-we-have-a-group-of-'x'" ... For all the remarks that "that newbie in an imicus was definitely spying", I'd wager that any corp or alliance seriously thinking about an invasion would send a covert ops ship ... Do I PVP? I have been in many a alliance war while I was in Curse many moons ago ... loads of fights and killed a few times ... great fun but the days of group versus group is mostly gone .. now, there are just roving gangs that would run a mile if they saw a enemy group of ships that was even half their number/strength.... Spineless whelps the lot of ye We're not griefers!! ... we are just likeminded PVPers who like to kill people who are on their own and appear to not know what they are doing
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2006.01.11 21:22:00 - [129] Originally by: slothe Originally by: aeti the clueless factor is very high here :/ eve is designed for teamwork so teams > loners. Agreed. There's room for single skilful pilots, but I play to be part of an effective team/unit.
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.01.11 21:24:00 - [130] Originally by: Farjung lol. Anyway, we did fight a "pure" 1 v 1 once, after you waited for hours for my mega to come back from a hunting trip in your specially fitted for me gallente racial scorp. I engaged against my better judgement, but then you had to warp out because you ran out of cap :(. Glad to see TC are keeping you on your toes though. Farjung i was pretty kind to u then.U should know better than to post misleading info.U fought my alt who is not a pvper character not the great GM. I iussue u a public challenge - lets go 1v1 without ew and see who comes out best ok? "May you die by the hand of a low life in real life for ruining the gaming experiance of others.Your scum and will never be anything better than the coward you are."
Farjung	Posted - 2006.01.11 21:31:00 - [131] Edited by: Farjung on 11/01/2006 21:31:37 Originally by: Ginger Magician Originally by: Farjung lol. Anyway, we did fight a "pure" 1 v 1 once, after you waited for hours for my mega to come back from a hunting trip in your specially fitted for me gallente racial scorp. I engaged against my better judgement, but then you had to warp out because you ran out of cap :(. Glad to see TC are keeping you on your toes though. Farjung i was pretty kind to u then.U should know better than to post misleading info.U fought my alt who is not a pvper character not the great GM. I iussue u a public challenge - lets go 1v1 without ew and see who comes out best ok? I don't believe in artificial 1 v 1s, sorry. I believe in killing people by playing smarter and taking advantage when they mess up. That's how I've killed two of your bs (and yes, one of the kills was a gank, but just as well seeing as you had two warp core stabs :() and podded you once, whereas, in the 3 months that you've warred against my alt's corp or my corp, you've killed me 0 times. I expect the new war dec in 24 hours, don't "forget" to pay the bill this time please <3. PS: You being "kind" to me makes my skin crawl :(
Draximus Cane	Posted - 2006.01.11 21:32:00 - [132] Edited by: Draximus Cane on 11/01/2006 21:31:58 of course not -------------------------------------------------
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.01.11 21:34:00 - [133] Originally by: Farjung Edited by: Farjung on 11/01/2006 21:31:37 Originally by: Ginger Magician Originally by: Farjung lol. Anyway, we did fight a "pure" 1 v 1 once, after you waited for hours for my mega to come back from a hunting trip in your specially fitted for me gallente racial scorp. I engaged against my better judgement, but then you had to warp out because you ran out of cap :(. Glad to see TC are keeping you on your toes though. Farjung i was pretty kind to u then.U should know better than to post misleading info.U fought my alt who is not a pvper character not the great GM. I iussue u a public challenge - lets go 1v1 without ew and see who comes out best ok? I don't believe in artificial 1 v 1s, sorry. I believe in killing people by playing smarter and taking advantage when they mess up. That's how I've killed two of your bs (and yes, one of the kills was a gank, but just as well seeing as you had two warp core stabs :() and podded you once, whereas, in the 3 months that you've warred against my alt's corp or my corp, you've killed me 0 times. I expect the new war dec in 24 hours, don't "forget" to pay the bill this time please <3. PS: You being "kind" to me makes my skin crawl :( Well the OP's point is proved. END THREAD "May you die by the hand of a low life in real life for ruining the gaming experiance of others.Your scum and will never be anything better than the coward you are."
Cvuos	Posted - 2006.01.11 21:35:00 - [134] That "cowards" exist in the game is just a symbol of how good the risk/reward balance is. It's human nature to be afraid of loss and it's human nature to seek numbers for safety. CCP hasn't done anything to bring out this culture, they've just provided a complex system in which it comes to the surface. All the chest-beating gunslingers should spit out the tobacco and ask for a 1v1 at sunrise if they want to duel. Having a buddy aligned to save you in case you lose...THAT's cowardice! Blobs and warp stabs is just nature.
Cabadrin	Posted - 2006.01.11 21:44:00 - [135] New signature Originally by: Ginger Magician Mercenary Coalition are one the worst examples of cowardly gank squad lovers that i have seen in my in eve career.Not one of them could hold a candle to me in solo combat
Kristoffer	Posted - 2006.01.11 21:53:00 - [136] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Btw, hows your claim of Basgerin going? Get schooled by the miners yet? Basgerin was claimed. We pacified the system and there were no corporations left besides the Protector's own. We got bored, and let them have the system back a month later.
Lygos	Posted - 2006.01.11 21:58:00 - [137] I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself. -D.H.Lawrence Chess pieces do not have honor. Eunoia: The persistent suspicion that the universe is secretly conspiring to quietly improve your life.
WolfGang H	Posted - 2006.01.11 22:12:00 - [138] Edited by: WolfGang H on 11/01/2006 22:13:28 Originally by: Agent Kenshin I guess if EVE PvPers are cowards that makes everyone in the game that doesnt only do solo agent missions a coward now doesnt it?? Better yet that makes everyone cowards. And if you go spouting off crap about how industrialists and miners and everyone else arent pvpers take a good look at the economy. Thats PvP too. So unless your whole point in the game is to shoot rats and mission ***** then your about the only one not doing PvP. But wait lemme see your either buying or selling stuff on the open market or escrow so your still affecting other players and participating in PvP. Sorry to disapoint you but PvP isnt just going 1v1 or 40v40 or any number in between... Basically your title of your thread adresses all of EVE including yourself as a coward. Not only that but ransoming is only a reason to pick on people smaller than yourself. That makes you a real big person in EVE that you have to ransom some poor industrialist in a hauler... (Thats the modified form of PvP so commenly called PIRACY. ) As far as i know about other MMOs there isnt really risk involved in PvP because you can just go back to your corpse and pick up your stuff you lost.. EVE you lose its gone... No refunds here. Another large hole in your arguement if you want to play solo go play a FPS. Its an MMO. MMO = Massively multiplayer Online... Means were supposed to play with other people. And that was a beauty of a time when we had more than 100+ on each side and we could fight without too much lag. Im sure those who fought for more than 4 hours in a single engagement would agree. WolfGang can think his version of PvP is fun while everyone else can think theirs is just as fun. Bit it does sound like youve been ganked one to many times by a group of interceptors. I fully understand and have understood years before EVE was created that PVP can mean more than just direct combat. It is pretty obvious under what connotation I was using the word PVP. Also, dont let the purposfully fashioned flashy title of this thread fool you. I started in posts that I do not literally think "ALL" EVE pvpers are cowards. "EVE PVPers are cowards" is a true statement. Another true statement is "EVE PVPers are honorable and brave people." ALL OF THEM? If that what you think, you're reading it wrong. Read it like a newspaper title. I myself am an EVE pvper in the broad sense (i work the market) and the specific more common sense (I kill other players). Why are you assuming I am only the first type? And again, I fully understand the concept that pvp is more than just literal destroying ships. I also agree that the MMOs where there is little or no death penalty are stupid, suck, and are inherently flawed. It's funny, you cite several things "I've got wrong" and in fact you assumed on every single one of them. I understand these concepts and principles more fully than you ever will. Yet you think you are in a position to teach me? LOL. So after running your mouth trying to "educate" me, your next paragraph starts out "Another hole in your argument.." LOL. Another? You havnt even found one. You've just shown to me that you do not understand me. And what is this other hole you cite? The fact that MMO = multiplayer and therefore stuff is meant to be done in groups. Then you give examples of 100 VS 100 fleet battles. When have I ever spoken out against battles of that nature? That type of battle (minus the lag) is some of the best pvp that exists in the gaming world today. I suppose you started that paragraph thinking you'd disprove my point of "Ganking is cowardly and peopel who spend the majority of their time doing it are pathetic, yet currently that type of person is the mainstream pvper of EVE and I disagree with that" by somehow saying "MMO = multiplayer = your supposed to do stuff in groups = ganking is an honorable and great part of MMOs so STFU noob." Page 2- --- Have what it takes to join the Guardians of Basgerin?
WolfGang H	Posted - 2006.01.11 22:16:00 - [139] Originally by: Agent Kenshin Another large hole in your arguement if you want to play solo go play a FPS. Its an MMO. MMO = Massively multiplayer Online... Means were supposed to play with other people. And that was a beauty of a time when we had more than 100+ on each side and we could fight without too much lag. Im sure those who fought for more than 4 hours in a single engagement would agree. WolfGang can think his version of PvP is fun while everyone else can think theirs is just as fun. Bit it does sound like youve been ganked one to many times by a group of interceptors. Continued from page 1: But your brain caught that you were about to make a flawed and pathetic argument so you ended the paragraph out by talking about fun 100 v 100 fleet battles, which no one has a moral (gaming-wise) problem with. I have not died too many times, esp when comparing that number with my kills. I would imagine being ganked overand over by interceptors would only strengthen my points, however, so I'm not sure why it gives you pleasure to imagine that this has happened to me. --- Have what it takes to join the Guardians of Basgerin?
Battou	Posted - 2006.01.11 22:18:00 - [140] No RF didn't get owned because that was the stupidest post i've seen in a while. Ive been living in 0.0 for more than a few months now and just got to hop in a ceptor for the first time. These ships are great and can turn the tide of many battles.
WolfGang H	Posted - 2006.01.11 22:18:00 - [141] Originally by: HippoKing eve has a real sense of loss in PvP - you don't just respawn with a little bit of durability loss (repairable) on your sword of wtfpwnage +3. and as long as people stand to lose something, they will be cowardly. to deal with that, there are only 2 things to do: Remove the sense of loss or change human nature i think ii is beyond you, and i would ruin the game for me, so i think i;d rather stick where we are now, cowardice or not. You summed that up well. It makes good sense. I would never want the death penely to be taken out of EVE or evne toned down. But I'm wondering if there is a 3rd option, or there is a different way of looking at the situation. --- Have what it takes to join the Guardians of Basgerin?
WolfGang H	Posted - 2006.01.11 22:29:00 - [142] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Hey, its WolfGang H, the troll. Where is Hools? You guys still talk to each other? Maybe he can come in here, and it will be just like the old days. You bring your miner Bantam, I'll bring the dual scrambler Taranis. Personally, I think you're a massive flailing reproductive organ for whining so much. Interceptors are probably one of the least dangerous pvp capable ships out there. They are good for tackling, and if you lose something substantial to a single inty, well.. guess you're not very bright? I will give you credit for that wonderful piece of flamebait, since it doesn't break any forum rules, but unfortunately thats all it is. You and I both know that there isn't enough dementia in the world to make someone seriously believe in half the stuff you spew. Btw, hows your claim of Basgerin going? Get schooled by the miners yet? I do not think I've ever lost anything to a lone interceptor. I cant remember the last time I lost something to a pack of interceptors. Maybe 4 or 5 months ago. Maybe longer. In a way, you verify my point concerning people who like to spend their time in interceptors. Interceptors cant take out the real ships. They are fleet support (thats a good thing) and (this is more common) they are the ships pvpers use to own non-combatants with minimal risk. You should fly a ship that you can win with or in any given situation. Not a ship that can only kill non-combatants or other bottom feeders. Its like if you went into a battle knowning there would be women and children fighting along side the men, and you equip a weapon that does little to no damage against men and is designed primarily to kill women and children. What type of a warrior does that make you? Would ANY self respecting, skillfull warrior use such a weapon? Why not a HAC, or a Bship or some othership that at least has the chance to be versitile? Why do you want to go into combat "ready to flee at any second, unable to take down the real pvpers, limiting yourself to only destroying the women and children of eve" ? Note: Interceptors used for tacklking in group combat are fine. Also, I'm making generalizations. I'm not saying that literally 100% of all people who have ever flown an interceptor are cowards. (I have to start putting these disclaimers on my posts lest people confuse themselves and spend their time correcting that which does not need to be corrected.) --- Have what it takes to join the Guardians of Basgerin?
WolfGang H	Posted - 2006.01.11 22:33:00 - [143] Originally by: Viceroy Anyone who flies with a group = coward. Anyone who fights in an interceptor = coward. Anyone who doesn't ignore or ransom "non-combatants" (lol) = coward. Anyone who doesn't agree with Wolfgang's Kindergarden-Online suggestions = coward. So like, do you have the ability to make any sort of rational argument other than "If you don't agree with my silly opinions, you are cowards!"? Judging from your history of posting nonsense flamebait, probably not, so my advice to you is CRY HARDER. You are trolling or you are stupid. BTW, you happen to disagree with things I say but when have I called you a coward? Cowards are people are do actions which make them cowards. I dont just fling random insults around. Why are you trying to make me look unreasonable? Every single statement you made in that post is false btw. Each and every one. --- Have what it takes to join the Guardians of Basgerin?
aeti	Posted - 2006.01.11 22:41:00 - [144] Originally by: WolfGang H BTW, you happen to disagree with things I say but when have I called you a coward? lets try the title of this thread Originally by: WolfGang H EVE PVPers are cowards. just about there I guess thats a rather general thing to say
WolfGang H	Posted - 2006.01.11 22:43:00 - [145] Originally by: Ordo Abchao Possibly Wolfgang, if you **ed and moaned less in local people would be more inclined to ignore you and in return you would die less from gankers. Just die in peace and be done with it okay? By the way, a quick search on killboard.net shows this: NOT Wolfgang H Which is less than a month ago, but that wasn't you now was it. That was me. It was about a month ago, I said 2 months. My estimate was off. That is the death I was thinking of when I gave the "2 month" figure. I think in the last 4 or 5 months I've died 2 or 3 times, two of which happened around the period of the death you just posted. When I said I hadent died in 2 months it was to refute a persons statment of "You are only posting here becasue you just got ganked!!" Whether it has been 1 month or 2 since the last time I died, my point is still valid that I'm obviously not posting here because I'm **ed that I just died. If memory serves, you attacked my npcing battleship (while npcs were shooting it) with 3 battleships and a HAC. I'm not saying you "did something wrong" in doing it and that it automatically makes you a coward, but it does go to futher strengthen my point. BTW, you will be hard pressed to find a killmail with "wolfgang" as the victim and the list of aggressors is less than 3. On the same note, you will be hard pressed to find a killmail where wolfgang is the victor and there are other names who helped contribute to the kill. Then again, perhaps the few kills that I have been involved in are all posted so it might appear that you have "beat me" by posting a few. You wont find many with me as the only victor becasue I dont post my killmails. I guess you'll just have to take my word for it though that I hunt either alone or with just 1 other person. Have you ever seen The Last Samaurai? I am like a Samaurai (sp) and you are like the Chinese army using mob numbers, machine guns, and artillary to mow them down. Yet this Samauria will not die. --- Have what it takes to join the Guardians of Basgerin?
WolfGang H	Posted - 2006.01.11 22:45:00 - [146] Originally by: MysticNZ use the map/scout next time in low sec. What do you mean by "next time" ? Next time what? I'm not posting because I died. --- Have what it takes to join the Guardians of Basgerin?
WolfGang H	Posted - 2006.01.11 22:45:00 - [147] Originally by: MysticNZ This gets my vote for best thread, 2006. The op does not seem to get this game at all. It is quite clear you have never been in 00 or an alliance. In saying that, you are trying to attack alliance when you don't even have a clue how they work. Most alliances I know of have a shoot on sight policy. Got ganked? Tough luck... use the map/scout next time in low sec. Shows how wrong you are. As I've said earlier in this thread, I've lived in 0.0 for 95% of my EVE life. I have not done the math, but I think I've spent more time in an alliance than out of one. --- Have what it takes to join the Guardians of Basgerin?
WolfGang H	Posted - 2006.01.11 22:46:00 - [148] Originally by: sonofollo well its dangerous out there best bet is to learn as u go. U can survive but it requires some experience. Agreed. I survive just fine in 0.0 --- Have what it takes to join the Guardians of Basgerin?
sonofollo	Posted - 2006.01.11 22:48:00 - [149] hmmm the definite of corward is someone that runs away when faced with overwealming odds in that case they are saving their ship but to the other side they arent an easy kill - depends on yorue viewpoint i guess Im a happy little camper now - CCP 4tw.
WolfGang H	Posted - 2006.01.11 22:48:00 - [150] Originally by: Blind Fear The only thing that really annoys me is people who fit stabs on combat setups... And then smacktalk because they managed to run away. Seriously, WTF? I gotta agree with that. (disclaimer: in some sitauations stabs are not evil) --- Have what it takes to join the Guardians of Basgerin?

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