If you feel strongly about it, change the article on CCP's wiki. Until then, I see orcas, freighter, and jump freighters listed as capitals, they're capitals.

I have no intention of starting an edit war. It's preposterous however that merely editing a wiki article should be enough to change your opinion.

It would hardly change my opinion. What CCP does or does not do after the change to the wiki might change my position.

That only raises the question of what exact characteristic it is you use to choose to see them as capital ships. Sounds like it's just market placementGǪ

Of course, going by the market placement, HACs were not cruisers for the longest time.

But Orcas and jump freighters and freighters are really really big! That means they're capital ships! Big = capital ship!

I like this: Super dooper big shiny = capital!

Honestly, they're listed as capitals in game, they're listed as capitals on the official wiki, ccp considers them capitals. They're capitals, until CCP says otherwise. Appeal to authority argument for the win.

So if the rendering loop was bugged and they only showed up the size of pods, you'd no longer consider them capitals?

Again, they're listed as capitals in the market GÇö in the inventory, there isn't even such a classification as a capship; some non-authority has listed them in an unofficial wiki page; and CCP doesn't offer any direct consideration at all. The closest is their rules against getting new capital ships into highsec GÇö a rule that explicitly does not include the three ship classes in question.

So they really have to say anything at all before they can start to say GÇ£otherwiseGÇ¥.

The official wiki lists them as capitals, feel free to change it if you like.

They are listed in game as capitals.

You can say they don't fit in well with capitals until you're blue in the face, I don't care.

GǪexcept, of course, that it's not an official page GÇö those are locked down and under the control of CCP (and thus even more unreliable than the player-made ones).

GǪin the market, but not the inventory. That's part of the hilarity of it all: the game itself can't make up its mind.

I'm merely asking you what characteristics you've chosen to follow to make such a firm statement. I could just be mean and ask you which characteristics you've chosen to ignore to come to this conclusion, but that's just a matter of six of one or half a dozen of the otherGǪ

Do people want to use their purple items so much in highsec they decided that running l4s in a carrier is the way to go

Of course I am, because that's one of the reasons they're not allowed there any more.

You can't do missions with them because of gates and ship restrictions.

Against subcaps they're worse then battleships in terms of DPS. Against subcaps they're very easy to kill.

i think they will allow capital in highsec when player start conquer empire space in future game's expension.

If that ever happens, it won't be highsec anymore.

I was gonig to read throguh the thread but then did a TL:DR

I always through the whole no Caps in High sec was a storyline thing.. as in the major Parties dont want cilvillians flying around in massive ships of war.

but then again i havent really read all of the storyline stuff.. (I'm sure its great and i would love it.. I'm just more focused on the player politics then the NPC)

Not all missions use acceleration gates.


Not sure where you got that impression. A sentry fit carrier can get better DPS than a Vindicator, with the tracking and range of, well, sentries.

You know, if they would just come out with a heavy battleship that could fit one dread weapon there would be no need for caps in highsec and everything would be better balanced.

Just sayin'...

You know, if they would just come out with a heavy battleship that could fit one dread weapon there would be no need for caps in highsec and everything would be better balanced.

Just sayin'...

Because super tough-guy ships belong in super tough-guy space.

Superbattleships would be cool. Not sure what CCP was thinking when they jumped from ships of around 200k EHP max to millions and then made them the equivalent of a siege catapult (structure bashing), WoW portal (titans) and a holy priest (carrier).

They skipped over the Yamato Bisimark class ships we could have used for shooting players and went with giant healing portal creating castle breach garbage.

Super battleships ftw

based on when they came out ... it's because (large) POS are so damn hard to take down with BS.

Sm and Med aren't terrible -- but you can break them with only a handful of pilots in BS (or tier3 BC ... uh ... "attack bc" now?) fielding meta guns and faction ammo.

It almost feels like the original idea was for towers to be split by "security region" -- i.e. hisec got smalls, lowsec got meds, and nullsec got larges ... but corps/alliances/solo players got too rich for that to really work out ...

A capital ship is a ship that requires the capital ships skill.

Ships that require the capital ships skill:
Rorqual, Archon, Thanatos, Nidhoggur, Chimera, Revelation, Moros, Naglfar, Phoenix, Aeon, Nyx, Hel, Wyvern, Revenant, Avatar, Erebus, Ragnarok, and Leviathan.

Notice that this list incorporates every ship in the game that cannot use stargates, has too much mass to traverse wormholes into highsec, and cannot be built in highsec. Then it becomes much easier to just say "you cannot build capital ships in highsec, use stargates in a capital ship, or pass through a wormhole to highsec in a capital ship."

Except it would be extremely easy to gank them wouldn't it?