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Roxanna Kell
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Posted - 2006.01.15 12:15:00 -
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a cerberus at 200 mill in sinq laison.
up 300 mills in other regions.
please stop buying those ahcs as you ll jsut be encouraging the builders increasing the prices.
if we carry on this way, they ll jsut make it higher.
so please dont buy any over 150 mills, as thats were it gets beyound reasonable.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.15 12:16:00 -
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Check the actual sales in the market data. Are people buying at 300mil?
I bloody doubt it.
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.01.15 12:17:00 -
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we lost reason a long time ago at 100, over 150 you are just throwing out the little rest of sanity you had left
 Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.15 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Check the actual sales in the market data. Are people buying at 300mil?
I bloody doubt it.
QFT!
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Roxanna Kell
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Posted - 2006.01.15 12:19:00 -
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lol
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CptEagle
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Posted - 2006.01.15 12:46:00 -
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Problem isn't the manufacterers, its just the lack of tech II BP's... CCP need to release more of them, since supply can't keep up with demand by a long shot. I think supply wasn't able to keep up with demand since the day HAC's were released. And its getting worse every single day, as more people are getting cruiser lvl 5.
 CCP, relase more hac bp's, do it now.
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Abraxus
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Posted - 2006.01.15 12:46:00 -
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If there is demand then prices will go up, nothing you can do about it
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Moadyb
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Posted - 2006.01.15 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Abraxus
If there is demand then prices will go up, nothing you can do about it
Yes, CCP can increase supply! DOH!
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Abraxus
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Posted - 2006.01.15 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Moadyb
Originally by: Abraxus
If there is demand then prices will go up, nothing you can do about it
Yes, CCP can increase supply! DOH!
Thats not much of a solution, DOH!
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.01.15 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Abraxus
Originally by: Moadyb
Originally by: Abraxus
If there is demand then prices will go up, nothing you can do about it
Yes, CCP can increase supply! DOH!
Thats not much of a solution, DOH!
actually its the only solution
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.01.15 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tiuwaz
Originally by: Abraxus
Originally by: Moadyb
Originally by: Abraxus
If there is demand then prices will go up, nothing you can do about it
Yes, CCP can increase supply! DOH!
Thats not much of a solution, DOH!
actually its the only solution
Indeed.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2006.01.15 13:58:00 -
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decreasing production time would be another.
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Saerid
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Posted - 2006.01.15 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: Saerid on 15/01/2006 14:05:57
Either way, HAC production output is just plain too small.
More prints would spread the control nicely as well, personally wouldn't mind it in the least (counterintuitively we benefit more from a BPO market where the individuals and small players receive the prints , since larger share of those end up in Stepstone than if major producers buy them. We don't buy our prints, in a word).
More demand -> higher prices. Wait times likewise are going up.
Wait times & prices going up --> Major alliances and corporations move to secure their own private supply. Since print count hasn't increased at any point, it means even less production for public market.
Basically that's the dynamic at work. The obvious/most effective response by major players means even less of a chance for the regular joes to get their hands on the ships. Expect same to be repeated with command ships,interdictors and so forth. Or put this way, I'd be somewhat surprised if BoB for example wasn't a top 3 (or even the top) T2 ship producer in the game.
The items available on the public market are just the tip of the iceberg, 9/10ths are out of sight.
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Dayon
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Posted - 2006.01.15 14:22:00 -
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Well the problem is that each time a smaller corp/player gets a good BPO they sell it for fast cash to one of the huge corps that own the marked.
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Abraxus
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Posted - 2006.01.15 14:28:00 -
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People can complain as much as they like but the fact remains, an item is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it.
If no one purchases at the higher prices, then prices will drop 
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Saerid
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Posted - 2006.01.15 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dayon
Well the problem is that each time a smaller corp/player gets a good BPO they sell it for fast cash to one of the huge corps that own the marked.
Depends on how far you want to generalize. We have well over 100 T2 BPOs ourselves and most are not ours, they belong to those very same small corps and players. We just build/sell from them and ship majority of the cash back to the owners. Granted we probably look suspiciously like a production megacorp, but by and large we're a rent-a-builder service 
That said, we do have a respectable amount of prints we own as well. But mainly they're someone else's.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2006.01.15 14:49:00 -
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battlecruisers rock and roll, use them instead of HACS, and they cost only 25mill with full insurance payout aye.
d solo.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2006.01.15 14:52:00 -
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It's not builders putting up HACs for 200-300 mil. The HACs that are on the market for so much usually take a few weeks to sell, so those are usually put up by resellers who buy for 100-150 and want to make a profit when it sells after a while.
Direct producers tend to sell for lower because they actually have a continuous production they need to sell and don't want the HACs accumulating in their hangar waiting for them to finally sell.
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Mudkest
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Posted - 2006.01.15 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Abraxus
Originally by: Moadyb
Originally by: Abraxus
If there is demand then prices will go up, nothing you can do about it
Yes, CCP can increase supply! DOH!
Thats not much of a solution, DOH!
beter solution then reducing population and thus reducing demand, D'OH!
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CB Cyrix
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Posted - 2006.01.15 15:10:00 -
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WTS Zealot for 200mil in faurent! 
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Cobra64
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Posted - 2006.01.15 15:16:00 -
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Isn't this just market forces, this is what makes an elite ship, if you allow the ship to become cheap as chips and freely available then they would become like arses and everyone would have one.
If everyone could own one then all the people who still only had the skills to fly cruisers wouldn't stand a chance and then the game would become unbalanced.
I like it that this is like the having something special, it makes you think twice about taking it into combat and losing it really hurts (I have lost two so far and one of them was to concord LOL)
So keep them in short supply CCP, let the well off and the big corps have them, that way it will hurt them more when they lose them.
Also, it makes a good target to aim for, I remember the day I flew my first Muninn, fantastic!!! unfortunately I didn't have the skills to kit it out properly so I lost it soon after but I worked hard to get another one and it kept my interest in the game high and drove me towards honing my skills to better keep it alive.
In short, stop whining and get working if you want one, by the time you can afford one you'll have decent skills to keep it
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weedmasta
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Posted - 2006.01.15 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: weedmasta on 15/01/2006 15:32:31
These things are overpriced indeed and you would understand that more if you knew how much they are produced for in the first place. I think they should be cheaper, a ship 2 classes smaller than a BS, shouldn't be selling for double the price, it just doesn't make sense. Lowering the prices won't hurt anyone or anything, in fact i think it would make the market for these items more flexible. Look at interdictors... Who in their right mind will buy a destroyer that costs more than a geddon. Yes T2 ships should be expensive, no doubt about that, but these prices are just plain ridiculous.
p.s. you are saying it will hurt big corps more if they loose HACs, how will it hurt them so much if they got the BPO sitting in their hangars???
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Captin ShadowHawk
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Posted - 2006.01.15 15:32:00 -
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Edited by: Captin ShadowHawk on 15/01/2006 15:32:30
Another HAC too expensive post  well they are
As with all other posts of this nature the conclusion will be either more bpo's released or less time to produce a hac both are valid points.
Do ccp listen I dont know but if we ***** enough maybe they will
All i can say is 19,000 plus player on eve now means in the future more demand for hacs.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.15 15:33:00 -
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Ok.
Why exactly is the situation a problem ?
Because HAC"s are now unattainable for some ? Because they cost more then they are worth to you ?
Then...dont buy them ?
Why exactly is it a bad thing not everyone that can fly one can get one ? I know a couple reasons why it is a good thing, tell me some reasons why it is bad ...
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Sitri
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Posted - 2006.01.15 15:35:00 -
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If you think they are too expensive DON'T BUY THEM FFS!!!!!!!!! damn whinging babies need to get a life!!!
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Xio2
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Posted - 2006.01.15 15:38:00 -
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you probably just think its good cause you have one yourself and don't want anybody to be on par with you. ..its bad because i like cruisers yet a caracal is much too...paper thin for me.
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Sitri
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Posted - 2006.01.15 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sitri
If you think they are too expensive DON'T BUY THEM FFS!!!!!!!!! damn whinging babies need to get a life!!!
read for pity's sake please read! 
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weedmasta
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Posted - 2006.01.15 15:46:00 -
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It's not about people not being able to afford them. It's about everyone getting ripped off by T2 ship sellers who put them up for ridiculous amounts on the market. As i said, if you knew how much it costs to produce a T2 ship, you would understand what i mean.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: weedmasta
It's not about people not being able to afford them. It's about everyone getting ripped off by T2 ship sellers who put them up for ridiculous amounts on the market. As i said, if you knew how much it costs to produce a T2 ship, you would understand what i mean.
I know exactly what it costs.
Still, what is the issue ? Overpricing ?
Demand does that, not the producer. He could sell it for production cost and see it resold by a trader. Why would he do that ?
Why blame producers ?
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Martinez
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:42:00 -
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doyou think people that work for sport car companys get calls, please lower your prices so everyone can afford them? NO! so quit posting this garbage. it is boring and gets nothing done. its not going to change so save your money buy your own bpo.
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