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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.16 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Stirred If you dont want to pay 300m for a cerberus, why dont you head over to Nonni and buy one of my Eagles for 90m?
Because you can find an eagle for less than that in some other places?
Atleast I remember seeing an eagle for 80mil last night while running stuf to my missioning base. Would've bought it if i had the money, but alas. Lack of playtime = lack of isk. 
There's a few easy ways out of that. But I'll quit EVE an iskless pod pilot with nothing but an ibis to my name before I sell a timecard or buy isk in any way.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Miabio
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Posted - 2006.01.16 10:51:00 -
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if your insurance can't cover the ship at least, then you are being stupid. When I go up against multiple targets (and I fly the 'cheap' variety of ship) and I know I am dead, I kill the HAC, at least I know it will put a dent in their wallet whereas my insurance will cover both the ship AND the gear (almost).
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.01.16 13:10:00 -
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The reason that HAC prices have increased is that there was a shortage of RAMs after RMR was released.
Before too long, we'll see player produced RAMs on the market in quantity, and this should increase supply, therefore lowering the price.
At the same time, more recon cruisers and command ships will be hitting the market. A lot of these will be bought by players who would otherwise have been flying HACs. Therefore, demand will also drop, also lowering the market value.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.16 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Megadon What's funny to me is that there are people that think a Cerberus is 6 X's better than a Ferox....
Ya sure.
It dosn't need to be, it only needs to be better enough to beat the Ferox.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |

Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.16 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake The reason that HAC prices have increased is that there was a shortage of RAMs after RMR was released.
Before too long, we'll see player produced RAMs on the market in quantity, and this should increase supply, therefore lowering the price.
At the same time, more recon cruisers and command ships will be hitting the market. A lot of these will be bought by players who would otherwise have been flying HACs. Therefore, demand will also drop, also lowering the market value.
Dont blame manufacturers, blame resellers. We have to play the crazy prices because of some unscrupulous resellers being greedy. ----------------
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.01.16 14:07:00 -
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Hm lets force ccp to give me a HAC bpo (esp a cerb please)
I'll promise i'll sell them below 100 mill each 
Wheeee, still 70 mill pure profit!!! 
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2006.01.16 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
I know exactly what it costs.
Still, what is the issue ? Overpricing ? Demand does that, not the producer. He could sell it for production cost and see it resold by a trader. Why would he do that ?
Why blame producers ?
pWn3d.
The producer can overprice, but that is certainly not the case here. Price of materials is insignificant compared to demand here. If suddenly materials quadrupled in price, that does not mean the producers can raise their price. They might just have to eat the cost if people are not willing to pay anymore.
They sell for what they are worth to the buyer, not an isk more. In Eve you don't get 150m isk without having some sense of value. (unless you bought the account ) ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'. |

Dracolich
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Posted - 2006.01.18 21:03:00 -
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I blame inflation... Isk was hard to come by in 03. Easier in 04, much easier in 05, and in 06... well I hope you see where I am going. _______________________________________
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Lexor SLice
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Posted - 2006.01.18 21:07:00 -
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i was mad enough when i paid 110 for my vagabond, i'll never pay more than that...ever
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.01.18 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cobra64 Isn't this just market forces, this is what makes an elite ship, if you allow the ship to become cheap as chips and freely available then they would become like arses and everyone would have one.
If everyone could own one then all the people who still only had the skills to fly cruisers wouldn't stand a chance and then the game would become unbalanced.
I like it that this is like the having something special, it makes you think twice about taking it into combat and losing it really hurts (I have lost two so far and one of them was to concord LOL)
So keep them in short supply CCP, let the well off and the big corps have them, that way it will hurt them more when they lose them.
Also, it makes a good target to aim for, I remember the day I flew my first Muninn, fantastic!!! unfortunately I didn't have the skills to kit it out properly so I lost it soon after but I worked hard to get another one and it kept my interest in the game high and drove me towards honing my skills to better keep it alive.
In short, stop whining and get working if you want one, by the time you can afford one you'll have decent skills to keep it
There's a place for rare and elite ships. those are faction ships. I feel that anyone who engages in the long training time for a t2 item should be able to give it a try. It's part of the fun of the game. What's really sad is less people pvping in HACS because the damned things are so expensive.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.01.18 23:44:00 -
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Umm... Well most producers that I know of arn't stupid. if resellers are buying all the HAC's and reselling them, most producers will simply raise thier own prices.
The simple, and easiest reason for the prices of HAC's is... People are willing to pay that much for one. Enough so that any that enter the market at the curret prices are sold within a short amount of time. Its pretty simple really.
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Mikha'il Pelegius
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Posted - 2006.01.19 01:38:00 -
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Quote: Dont blame manufacturers, blame resellers. We have to pay the crazy prices because of some unscrupulous resellers being greedy.
That's a cop-out excuse, and you know it. If I know that the manufacturers are selling things at 100m per zealot, and someone is selling them at 140m per zealot, I'm going to still go for the 100m pricetag instead of paying the reseller.
Sure, maybe they purchase -all- the HACs for reselling. That isn't a concern or 'lost profit'. Sell Hacs at the price they should be sold at, and leave the "omfg resellers" to players who will still pay the 50 million extra isk when they know they can private order it directly for 100m. ----------------------
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.01.19 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth Umm... Well most producers that I know of arn't stupid. if resellers are buying all the HAC's and reselling them, most producers will simply raise thier own prices.
The simple, and easiest reason for the prices of HAC's is... People are willing to pay that much for one. Enough so that any that enter the market at the curret prices are sold within a short amount of time. Its pretty simple really.
The easiest reason for HAC prices being so out of control is this. Small supply huge demand. More people can and want to fly them than can actually afford to do so. If there was a largwer supply there'd be too many for resellers to buy them all. Competetion is good. Give more people the bpo's or let agent runners get 1-run hac bpcs from their agents. FInd some way to introduce more hacs into the market. I love the zealot. Awesome pvp ship. At 150+ million I don't bother. I trained BC 5 and fly the Prophecy instead. If I could get them at a reasonable price I'd fly them and use them in pvp. As it is they're big expensive toys.
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