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TomB
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Posted - 2003.08.24 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: TomB on 03/09/2003 11:40:58
Just gave a few battleships a little boost that were needed:
- Megathron: 1000 power boost, 100 CPU boost
- Tempest: 100 CPU boost, 10 ms boost
- Typhoon: 10ms boost
- Apocalypse: 50 CPU boost
I will continue looking at the battleships and hopefully get as much done with them for next patch.
One ship that needs fixing is for example the Raven, but that lies more in missiles and missile launchers that need tweaking.
Edit to gather info from thread:
- Apocalypse, Raven, Tempest and Megathron got +1 low slot
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Caillech
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Posted - 2003.08.24 17:36:00 -
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i can already hear the cries of the caldari people :)
oh well ...
im happy .. more cpu for my preciousssss tempest :)
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.24 17:37:00 -
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stats mean nothing.
slot layout is everything.
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TomB
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Posted - 2003.08.24 17:54:00 -
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Raven, Megathron, Tempest and Apocalypse got added 1 low slot.
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Kerry
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Posted - 2003.08.24 18:13:00 -
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Will all Megathrons in game just apear with these exta stats or will there be prepatch Megathrons with less and the new Megathrons with the new stats...
Perhaps prepatch Megathron BP's and new stat Megathron BP's???
Is this a dumb question?
(was only thinking along the lines of what happened with BPc's)
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TomB
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Posted - 2003.08.24 18:17:00 -
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All ships will get updated.
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Darth Maul
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Posted - 2003.08.24 18:41:00 -
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/agree that missles need a lot of help in many areas, and that lvl 2 BS need a lot of help compared to their half price lvl 1 cousins.. but while the Megas boost looks pretty good, the 50 cpu on the apoc should have been a 100 cpu as well, especially since the mega got 100 cpu and 1000 grid.
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John Zeppe
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Posted - 2003.08.24 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: John Zeppe on 24/08/2003 18:50:09
"10 ms"?
Edit: Darth, don't forget that the Apoc grid is already at 15k, mega 12k (11k before).
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QBall
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Posted - 2003.08.24 18:52:00 -
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TomB, any chance you guys will be tweaking missles soon, so that the raven can compete with the other battleships?
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Minuz1
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Posted - 2003.08.24 19:05:00 -
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I think this is starting on the wrong end....weapon balancing would have been wiser to start with...but it's better then nothing.
Thank you for listening to the community...sometimes it takes too long for us to get a response but I kinda like the open discussion like the one you started.
One more thing.....if 85% of ppl in the game fly 1 type of ship....doesn't that tell you that it's alittle ³ber.....bear this in mind when looking at industrial ships.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.24 19:18:00 -
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"One ship that needs fixing is for example the Raven, but that lies more in missiles and missile launchers that need tweaking."
Yes. Speaking of which, the cruise missile skill is NOT working.
It used to give 5% bonus damage per level (what it says in its description) and this broke a while back.
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TomB
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Posted - 2003.08.24 19:33:00 -
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Some missile skills are not working at the moment, they should get fixed for next patch.
I'm currently making tests with missiles on Chaos, but I'm using test missiles and changing them every 5 minutes so I won't be changing current missiles for players to test until I get some success. It will probably take a while before they will work as intended. The changes will be cruise missiles and torpedos having slow agility but high max velocity, for slow accelerating but get high speed, long range missiles.
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Nephlite
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Posted - 2003.08.24 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: Nephlite on 24/08/2003 19:49:48
Thank you for the extra low slot, really looking forward to the missle changes for the Raven.
For missles, can you do something so they:
a) Don't hit your own ship and blow up
b) Don't blow up from splash dmg from other missles you fire
c) Do a *little* bit more dmg
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.08.24 20:16:00 -
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YES. This is very good. Thanks.
And I'm Caldari and not complaining.
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.24 21:11:00 -
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Personally I find the +1k grid for the mega a little too less considering that rails and lasers have essentially the same powergrid stats.
The 50 less cpu a apoc get's isn't really a argument for it's higher grid - if the apoc fit's a photonic enhancer it will have FAR more cpu than the mega, while if the mega fits a reactor control it will not be even close to the grid of the apoc.
A grid of 13.5 seems to be about right for the mega IMO.
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Valeria
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Posted - 2003.08.24 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Valeria on 24/08/2003 21:39:17
Also curious what this "10 ms" thing is. 10 ms extra targetting speed?
Also don't agree that Megathron and Apocalypse needed another low slot. Tempest i'm not familiar with so I don't know how many it initially had.
I mean, I already see ALOT of Megathrons and Apocalypses out there, many more than Armageddons or Dominixes... Raven on the other hand, haven't seen a single one.
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Caillech
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Posted - 2003.08.24 21:39:00 -
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10ms is 10m/s ship speed
tempest now does 140m/s base :p
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Fides Punica
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Posted - 2003.08.24 21:39:00 -
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metres/second
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Troezar
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Posted - 2003.08.24 21:44:00 -
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Nice to see some balancing going on partic as I about to get a Megathron and it did seem underpowered compared to the Apoc. cheers Tomb. Maybe we need more and unique properties specific to the ships rather than just tweaking the grid cpu armour and hull stats??
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Fides Punica
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Posted - 2003.08.24 21:45:00 -
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Apocalypse - 8-5-7, 8 turret slots, 0 missile slots, 2000 drone bay.
Armageddon - 7-3-8, 7 turret slots, 1 missile slot, 1000 drone bay.
Megathron - 8-4-7, 7 turret slots, 2 missile slots, 3500 drone bay.
Dominix - 6-5-7, 6 turret slots, 0 missile, 5000 drone bay.
Comments?
(I didnt include minmatar or caldari, as both projectiles and missile SHOULD be getting a significant boost soon.)
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.24 21:58:00 -
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@ Alyssia: To my knowledge the Apoc has 2 missle slots as well.
@ Valeria: That is because people are dumb and thinking lvl2 = better without comparing that stats first. Like "Hey, it's more expansive and it's lvl2, it MUST be better" or "1 more turret - it deals more damage"..
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Fides Punica
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Posted - 2003.08.24 22:05:00 -
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I was suggesting new stats.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.08.24 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 24/08/2003 22:10:04
Edited by: Jarjar on 24/08/2003 22:09:44
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@ Valeria: That is because people are dumb and thinking lvl2 = better without comparing that stats first. Like "Hey, it's more expansive and it's lvl2, it MUST be better" or "1 more turret - it deals more damage"..
That's the way it should be, right?
What are we paying for anyway? 
The megathron now deals more damage than the Dominix, guaranteed. At least that's something.
By the way Alyssia - check your Apocalypse again please. What's the downside? Lots of turrets, lots of grid, enough medium slots, lots of lowslots, cap...
It definately doesn't need more power.
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.08.24 22:13:00 -
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I have a comment.
Dominix has a 5250 drone bay. ;)
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.08.24 22:19:00 -
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Quote:
Armageddon - 7-3-8, 7 turret slots, 1 missile slot, 1000 drone bay.
Comments?
I'd rather not nerf the Arma drone bay so how about 7-3-8, 7 turrets, no missiles and 2500 drone bay.
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.24 22:29:00 -
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Ah, now I see.
Apoc would be severly overpowered with 5 med slots. And a bigger drone bay - but drones are pretty insignificat for BS IMO.
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Fides Punica
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Posted - 2003.08.24 22:40:00 -
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[quoteBy the way Alyssia - check your Apocalypse again please. What's the downside? Lots of turrets, lots of grid, enough medium slots, lots of lowslots, cap...
It definately doesn't need more power.
Ok.
With lvl 2 amarr bs, and lvl 4 in the cap recharge skill, I have 750 second recharge on the apoca.
With lvl 3 controlled bursts, a tachyon takes about 54? cap per shot firing at 5 seconds with 3 heatsinks.
So, 750 seconds cap recharge doesnt really cut it, especially as EVERYONE mounts thermal and EM hardeners, reducing your dmg significantly.
So, you must do something no other race does.
Mount low slot cap rechargers, not Power diags, they are not good enough.
So, immediately that's at LEAST 3 low slots gone, purely for cap recharge.
Tempest has 6 low slots left, while apoca only has 4.
Megathron has 7 left, while apoca has 4.
Seeing as how you have to mount at least 3 heatsinks to get a decent rof/dmg mod, that leaves you 1 low slot to do with as you want.
Also note, missiles are getting a significant boost, so the loss of 2 missile slots is quite a downgrade.
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.24 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ana Khouri on 24/08/2003 22:58:49
- the mega has nowhere near as much powergrid
- 550 less armor
- lower cap
Please don't only see what the apoc doesn't has, but what it has, too.
And no, I does NOT need more power. Noone forces you to use the biggest powerdraining setup.
And you can use other turrets, too - a apoc can deal actually more damage with rails that a mega can, since it can mount more 425 and can fire them longer due to it's bigger cap.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.08.24 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 24/08/2003 22:57:27
Well, did you consider that everyone else needs a Thermal/EM hardener to protect against your lasers? Then I've got only 2 medslots.
The point is.
- You CAN use an armageddon/apoc with lasers without them. You won't be very successful.
- You CAN use another ship without EM/Thermal wards - if you meet a laser user in combat you won't be very successful either.
*goes to sleep*
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Eilora Wingshy
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Posted - 2003.08.25 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: Eilora Wingshy on 25/08/2003 00:37:27
Edited by: Eilora Wingshy on 25/08/2003 00:30:22
Woot! A tempest boost! I wubb my beutiful tempest! This next patch is looking better and better.
*edit* Stavros, that almost made my day (night), slot layout means everything? Then you wouldn't mind having your bs nerfed to 50 cpu and 100 pwr? If you don't have the means, you can't use any slots. (rather obvious I think)
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