Well, I don't remember the last time I got arrested for looking into someone's car.
If you don't want your ship to be looked at, cloak.

Ganking is the symptom of which Cargo Scanning is the cause. You scan before you gank (if you're in it for the profit\loss I believe) and hence all the "Wahhh" in this thread.

ive never seen a bigger display of carebear crying!

"wahhh we wanna stealz yer stuff but dont wanna risk anything, please CCP i dont wanna lose T1 frig!!!!"

bunch of whining little scaredy-bears.

and put aside your personal agenda for like one second. this idea makes EVE, more EVE-y! its just a plain old cool idea and like many have said, its got real world roots.

and FFS, no one hauls AFK without having the money to back the loss.

AFK haulers rarely complain on the forums because they are too busy making serious bank and laughing at the ganker who thinks taking down one of his 15 freighters that day is a good way to make money.

There is none. But that's the way gankers like it - no risk.
Scan ship/cargo - nothing valuable, find something else. Find something shiny, gank it.

cry moar

That's an interesting and detailed rebuttal of the point made by Daichi Yamato.

Thinking about it, you should go into politics.

i like the idea of using scanning for espionage and for players being able to scan other players cargo holds for contraband. If something more solid can come from this idea that does not affect either of the mentioned careers, i'd probably be more inclined toward change.

But players don't scan others cargoholds for contraband as "Customs Officer" isn't a career path in EVE currently, they scan them to pick the juiciest cargo. I'm still thinking about this idea and what you added above though. My comments not a flame just more of an observation but give me an IG actual example of someone playing "Customs Officer" and I'll retract

containers and double wrapping cargo already nullify scans as well.

I am all for it.

Wouldn't stop me or people who fly with me,
but would put a stop to all these lazyass cowards sitting at gates doing nothing but scanning passers by.

Supported!

how would u tell if he was playing customs officer or gank scanner? they are one in the same. the gankers just have to say they have declared trit an illegal commodity and then gank anyone carrying it. all of a sudden they are customs agents.

the customs officer thing has been hinted at by CCP for a future development. Rather than having NPC's check player cargo, leaving it to other players who can flag ppl carrying what the sov holders consider contraband. maybe it was an idea just thrown out there, but i liked it.

its true the primary use of cargo scanners is to find good targets to gank. there are few other reasons to want to know what someone else is carrying. but the whole scanning process is all part of a meta game, like spying, and having cloaky alts to provide warp ins. i would prefer that u didnt go suspect for providing a warp in during a dec, even though u are an accessory to the attack. For all concord can tell, u are an innocent bystander. Just like ppl 'scoping out a joint' in the movies.

When it boils down to it, its not the scanning that ppl mind, its the ganking to which there are already ways to mitigate risk. The proposal does little to remedy ganking. containers and double wrapping cargo already nullify scans as well.

Caught you at work in *System Removed* last night...did chuckle a little.

That's an interesting and detailed rebuttal of the point made by Daichi Yamato.

Thinking about it, you should go into politics.

considering that the scanner is an alt, in free noob frig that can jump or warp the second the scan has gone through, how much risk do u think going suspect will add to the scanner? realistically? not a lot...all they have to do is dock with their pod to get another ship, fit a scanner and come straight back out again.


i'm saying this as a hauler myself, it accomplishes very little. u WILL just learn to ignore those scanning u just as u learn to ignore ninja salvagers.

fast forward to today. my alt undocked from jita with a hauler. it was scanned by a criminal i can do nothing too and popped by someone else.
this is an exploit.

umm quote me his "point" and ill be super erudite about responding to it. at the moment all i heard was "please dont shoot me!!"

You can't user "Future" as a reasonable argument. Future development isn't current IG.

People 'scoping out joints' are generally found, thrown up against a wall and charged with being an accessory or aiding and abetting I believe but we can't do that in EVE.

It's the scanning that leads to the ganking I'm afraid. If you didn't know for sure what was in it then how do you know that it'd be worth the cost\risk of actually ganking it? You wouldn't. Now some people do gank anything just for the lols and they will but most do it for profit and will only hit what they think will payback +profit on their loss.

As for the disposable alts mostly used for ganking...well there's a flaw in the system that this clearly highlights don't you think? The fact that ganking and the chars used are so disposable would highlight that to me.

We understand that the illusion of fitting against a gank can be achieved however you cannot stop a dedicated gank (and I don't mean two ships) which destroys your ship in 1 volley. So what can you do? Look to the root cause. What caused those 20 T2 fitted Catalysts with 14400 damage in Volley #1 to pick that particular hauler? I'll let you think on that for a bit.

I'm sorry but I don't follow the "warp in for a dec" analogy. You'll have to expand on that one or explain "dec" to me as could be a number of things.

your fault for not using an insta-undock. the first chance someone should get to scan you is when you break gate cloak your first jump out of jita