see, what a stupid reply.

it doesnt matter WHERE you get scanned. it matters that they DO scan you. once they do, no matter WHERE you are, you run the risk of being shot.

auto targeter, hot guns, when u go flashy, you pop. pretty soon, itll cost you 50-100 mill a day to run this operation. just think of how many ship you guys scan.. pop, pop, pop, pop

and im not a hauler. im not a pve guy. im not a pvper. im a person who does a little of all. when i fly somewhere, i expect to be able to defend myself. thats it.

i myself, will park my combat guys (i have multiple toons) in high traveled areas where they are camps and gank the gankers. i will make it my mission to cost you guys. because i can.
everytime you scan someone, pop.
its automatic. cant be avoided.

go get another ship. i will spend a couple weeks in high sec just for fun. rack up a noob ship kill log from hell. oh, btw...go get another ship.

1. Use a T2 Hauler which is immune to cargo scanners.
2. be immune to cargo scans.
3. ??????
4. PROFIT!

if u missed it, thats ur poor reading and comprehension skills. Everyone else understood it just fine.

Ah someone else who doesn't know what they are talking about\can't read 4 pages of a thread before posting in a thread. Go try and haul anything in T2 Blockade Runner at least once and then comment back after you've read the thread.

T2 Industrials are mentioned in-depth on Page 3 by myself.

Saying Blockade runners have little cargo is hardly mentioning something in-depth.

They made ships with special roles for a reason.
In a Blockade Runner, noone will be able to scan you.

Even in a T1 Hauler with a Cloak noone will be able to scan you if you aren't stupid.
So how is getting scanned a problem? This thread is almost as pathetic as the make highsec safer thread.

But I still like the idea on the limited engagement for scanning. I'd love to be able to shoot freighters anywhere at anytime.

it doesnt matter WHERE you get scanned. it matters that they DO scan you. once they do, no matter WHERE you are, you run the risk of being shot.

no matter where u are u run the risk of getting shot by undocking...

no matter where u are u run the risk of getting shot by undocking...

which is fair enough.

i'm just stressing what i believe is the root cause of ganking: Undocking in something that might be worth ganking

Maximus Aerelius, fit a MWD, fit a Cloak. Be immune to Cargo Scanners if you're smart enough to use insta undocks and similar smart things.

which is fair enough.

i'm just stressing what i believe is the root cause of ganking: Undocking in something that might be worth ganking

im afraid this statement isnt correct.

the root cause of gankings are pieces of crap who cant go earn a buck for themselves. they would rather sit somewhere where there is no risk for them and shoot defenseless things and take.

i rat, i build, i go in worm holes and do gas or mine, run sites, i do a wide variety of things to positively contribute.
i have given away tons of rigs from salvage to noobs who cant afford to buy stuff for their new ship.

this is MY play style. this is how *I* like to play. i am not saying everyone else has too, but *I* get the most enjoyment out of helping others.

gankers are afraid to go somewhere where they might be targeted and chased down. they sit in high secuntil they find something easy to steal. of course, with my 10 years of military, i find this and those who do it to be the lowest forms of life, but thats *THEIR* play style.

all i am asking for is the ability to hold accountable *ALL* people involved with the process.
if the scanner has to reship every 3 seconds and has to buy cargo scanners every 3 seconds, itll eventually break them. i would shoot the wreck so the scanner couldnt be reused. every scan....pop.

every
time.

you play your way, make it right so i can patrol and defend the weak against the lazy.

No surprise but I have to agree with Mole Guy. If they have to scrap alts because they got popped for scanning by someone and have to do thta so often it will eventually turn into either you get "Professional Scanners" as a career (a new career path perhaps) or people get so sick of creating new chars that they no longer use disposable alts.

I, personally, have never seen the joy in ganking haulers\cargo runners. It seems cowardly and bottom feeding to me but that's my opinion. You bite the hand that feeds you and you're going to starve...

I'm all for cause and consequence as well and if I went around breaking the locks on truck doors in a freight yard I'd expect security to say "OI! WTF do you think you're doing" and then the big hairy arsed trucker driver to come out and kick my arse (or at least the co-driver).

"pop, pop, pop, pop"
From: xxx x xx
Sent: 2013.10.02 13:00
To: Mole Guy,

do freighters and haulers if they carry too much.

Its ok this way, gankers already loose their ships. No more safety for high sec, **** off stupid moron.

keep it on the forums.

See that kind of message really annoys me and I'd report it for harassment. Forums is forums and should stay that way but the maturity of some can seriously be questioned with that kind of message.

It's a shame because I've had some awesome discussions with the likes of Lucas Kell, Nago and Nikk Narrel to name but a few (and they've got heated, oh have they) but they never went so far as to harrass my inbox.

Keep it on the forums folks and keep it civil

nikk does have some weird ideas at times, but bad azz ideas other times.

Well suggesting ship scanning to be made an aggression is not really as much carebearing as wanting to keep it safe.

Ship scanning has only offensive purpose in the game, so yes, it should cause a suspect timer.

WOW is that way --->
Remember to biomass your characters as well.

god damn why is this thread seven pages

people like you are literally what's killing this game

what im looking for is not just a limited engagement between the 2 parties, i want it to anyone can shoot. what good is having a limited engagement between a hauler and a scanning ship?

i think anyone should be able to engage, but no concord interference.

i will setup a corp or fleet around every main gate on a trade route or outside every main station.

you go flashy from scanning ANYONE, i will pop ya.

not just between the 2 people.

what ever you wanna call it, thats the desired effect i seek.
i will build a corp around hunting these people down. will make it more costly to leave folks alone.

This doesn't make ganking harder it just gives more opportunities for ship explosions! which is what we all want right? well, except the gankers complaining here.. how does this make highsec any safer you're still gonna destroy the freighter if it has nice loot you just can't go around doing it the easiest way now.

I don't think people are getting the idea here especially the gankers, it's not about making highsec safer or easier for freighters it's about consequences, cargo scanning is equal to truck scanning or someone openning the lock of your car to check out what's inside, looking through a car irl is the same as look at ship command has nothing to do with cargo scanning, and ship scanning is like popping the hood.

Great idea.