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Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
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Posted - 2013.09.28 19:07:00 -
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Roime wrote:Arya Regnar wrote:Good lord these carebears really want to turn eve online into hello kitty online with friendship and magic.
How about we as well make mining, mission running and incursions into a criminal offense to reintroduce risk to this game for everyone.
Since you guys have the tendency to apply real life morals to EVE lets compare it this way.
It's criminal to steal from a car but looking through the windows in a parking lot only gives you stare downs, name calling and the others will frown upon you. Doesn't get you into jail does it?
No I don't think real life laws should apply to eve either way.
If you want to punish bad intents to the point where you would make suicide ganking impossible then this is not the game for you. Well suggesting ship scanning to be made an aggression is not really as much carebearing as wanting to keep it safe. Ship scanning has only offensive purpose in the game, so yes, it should cause a suspect timer.
This, well said. It puts risk into the action, but does not make it unusable.
There is a special Hell for people like that,
Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater.
~Firefly |
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
624
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Posted - 2013.09.28 19:08:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Mole Guy wrote:you guys have it set so that any punk can walk around looking in peoples cars and telling their buddies whats in it so it can be burglarized. when in actuality, they would be accessories to the fact, they would be arrested and charged with the crime too. Where, exactly, is looking through a car's windows a criminal offence?
But you are not looking through the window, are you? You are looking through the trunk and the glove box. ;)
There is a special Hell for people like that,
Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater.
~Firefly |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
386
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Posted - 2013.09.28 19:33:00 -
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Given the amount of flashy yellows I see ignored....I cant help but think....why not?
Open up a WHOLE new world of baiting. |
Shang Ghjuvan
Warner Bros.
18
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Posted - 2013.09.28 21:14:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:If we're using analogies, scanning is 'more than looking inside a car window'; it's akin to also capturing the license plate and VIN numbers. So in that sense, I think the intent is pretty clear. It means that if you scan - you takes your chances.  not really. u dnt take the reg of a ship by scanning it. u look at what its carrying. when i look in a tescos van i can see its carrying food and household goods. it is also not an offense to look at it. however, if someone wants to protect the identity of what they are carrying, they can through the use of containers. Kinda like what happens with valuable or secret items in RL. the only reason ur vulnerable to scanning is because ur lazy and/or stupid. u deserve to get ganked if u think about it.
The can tricks don't work anymore |
Tanik Fera
Transcendent Sedition
Dustm3n
1
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Posted - 2013.09.28 22:19:00 -
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There is already something to counter this counter, Passive Targeters, so why not. lol |
Ciaphas Cyne
Turalyon Plus
Turalyon Alliance
47
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Posted - 2013.09.28 22:36:00 -
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Roime wrote:
Well suggesting ship scanning to be made an aggression is not really as much carebearing as wanting to keep it safe.
Ship scanning has only offensive purpose in the game, so yes, it should cause a suspect timer.
i agree. those of you throwing the "carebear" word around need to look in the mirror. you wanna scan my ship but dont want that to lead to PvP...sounds like your the carebear.... not the hauler. wanna take a peak inside? face the consequences. here we have a suggestion thats totally rational, fits the lore of eve, and would only increase PvP chances. Its a win-win for everyone involved EXCEPT the carebear scout whos too afraid to get his guns warm but still wants the loot. its pathetic really.
i love high sec ganks i wish they happened 100x more than they do and im a regular hauler. Seeing that gate camp is the only fun we haulers get to have! Most people haul with alts. I haul in FW cause im cool like that and love a challenge. I also love grabbing my catalyst and hanging out in jita waiting for that poor WT in a tayra. Im coming at this from both angles...
im sick and tired of all this personal agenda BS on these forums as much as the next guy. its nothing but me me me me me. you even have chuckle heads going around telling CCP how many slots an unreleased ship "needs". seriously give it a rest! but this idea isnt part of that. its just a plain old good idea! |
chaosgrimm
Universal Production and Networking Services
25
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Posted - 2013.09.28 22:52:00 -
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Humang wrote:chaosgrimm wrote:I don't think this is a good example. Looking into car windows would similar to checking out the guns someone has equipped based on the wep models. Cargo scanning might be compared to viewing the content of the car's trunk where there is some expectation of privacy. It could be bent ether way, I could argue that to view the boot, you would have to force your way in, while looking into the car for valuables is simply passive observation, but I understand what you are getting at, so its a mute point. I hate to say it, but I could suggest that if a ship is cargo-scanned by person A, and then fleet B pop him down the chain, then give person A a suspect timer, for participating; but that could be abused to an extent also.
I can really only speak in terms of US law, but even w/o breaking and entering i believe it would still be illegal because of the "expectation of privacy". The closest thing I have seen to support this is that it is considered an illegal search for the police to randomly use thermal vision on your home (kyllo v US).
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
1025
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Posted - 2013.09.28 23:06:00 -
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OP undocked carrying more in a hauler than is wise. Gets blown up, blames the scanner.
This is new and original.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Ciaphas Cyne
Turalyon Plus
Turalyon Alliance
47
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Posted - 2013.09.28 23:10:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:OP undocked carrying more in a hauler than is wise. Gets blown up, blames the scanner.
This is new and original.
^^carebear disguised as pvper....how original... oh wait thats like half of nullsec, my bad carebear
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Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
275
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Posted - 2013.09.29 00:32:00 -
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I could only support this if there was some sort of "privacy invasion" timer where the scanned ship could engage initiate a limited engagment timer with the scanning ship, but the scanning ship would be unable to shoot until th scanned ship does. Otherwise, I can't support this since there is no way to prove that the scanning party is collaborating with gankers, and it can be done from a long distance, suggesting that in a real world analogy, the person scoping out the target would be doing so far out of the sight of the target.
"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! *pops more corn*" ---Evernub-- |
Naomi Anthar
117
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Posted - 2013.09.29 00:50:00 -
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I really support this brilliant idea. Faggotry going around thinking that they are o might gankers AND haulers must be carebears.
This is not damn true. I'm low sec pvper, but sometimes i do haul stuff for diffrent purpose(moving my assets or doing some light trading ?). And it's disgusting i get scanned and i cannot kill that tard who think that knows how to play . Because i would dock , undock real ship and pop his CAREBEAR tornado right where it stands.
Shame on Devs that they support ganking not pvp.
Entire system is bloated - endless wardecs - really how Concord CAN BE THAT CORRUPTED , perma scanning on unodock if you haul anything valuable.
This is getting disgusting. Luckily i never lost anything in such situation. But i do understand if that i would try to haul really valuable stuff i would get popped by some retards.
No , no , no , no that doesnt make game more harsh and dark. It makes game more ********.
What about Concord finally waking up and giving those that agress openly (ganking) a damn at least 30 day long SUSPECT TIMER. YES because you can undock new tornado in 15 minutes is ROYAL RETARDNESS.
AT LEAST 30 day long.
And i'm not crying. I'm just speaking how SAFE AND CAREBEAR MODE IS ON ACTUALLY. I don't like carebears(known as gankers) . And those gankers are major carebears. Who never fly anything expensive, they are risk averse douches exploiting this game to the very end.
Yes you hear me - ganking idiots are carebears , biggest in this game. At least those people in 30 b Golems got balls to fly around in such ship - props to them ;) (tho i would not do this myself hehe). Not like those pussies from wardec corps/gankers.
I know many people would get upset if things would get fixed (BECAUSE THERE IS PROBLEM, YES IT DOES EXIST). But hell yeah carebears i hope justice is coming - and i do want pvp as OP is suggesting. I do want to actually put my guns on your shiny ganking ships. And we would see who is carebear in the end as 99,99% of gankers would dock as we speak. |
Naomi Anthar
117
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Posted - 2013.09.29 00:52:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:I have a fix for this problem.
Everyone in highsec gets suspect status.
Now you can kill everyone that looks at you in a weird way.
And that is better than CAREBEAR mode for gankers we got now. Trust me gankers would be first to dock in fear. |
Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
246
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Posted - 2013.09.29 00:56:00 -
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Naomi Anthar wrote:Arya Regnar wrote:I have a fix for this problem.
Everyone in highsec gets suspect status.
Now you can kill everyone that looks at you in a weird way.
And that is better than CAREBEAR mode for gankers we got now. Trust me gankers would be first to dock in fear.
You know it!
Beware the realmenpvpinlowsecandnullsec blobs.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
1026
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Posted - 2013.09.29 00:57:00 -
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Naomi Anthar wrote:An angry rant with a forum violation in the first paragraph
I recommend you see a proctologist for all of that butthurt.
Oh, and quit the game. Clearly, the game you want to play is not EVE Online. I suggest you throw some money at Star Citizen, since that promises to be carebear heaven from all the crap I keep hearing about it.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
HardRockLife
War Decs Inc
4
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Posted - 2013.09.29 02:40:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Naomi Anthar wrote:An angry rant with a forum violation in the first paragraph I recommend you see a proctologist for all of that butthurt. Oh, and quit the game. Clearly, the game you want to play is not EVE Online. I suggest you throw some money at Star Citizen, since that promises to be carebear heaven from all the crap I keep hearing about it.
What is Star Citizen?
Is it supposed to be like the Xseries? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
1028
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Posted - 2013.09.29 02:50:00 -
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HardRockLife wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Naomi Anthar wrote:An angry rant with a forum violation in the first paragraph I recommend you see a proctologist for all of that butthurt. Oh, and quit the game. Clearly, the game you want to play is not EVE Online. I suggest you throw some money at Star Citizen, since that promises to be carebear heaven from all the crap I keep hearing about it. What is Star Citizen? Is it supposed to be like the Xseries?
Basically, yes, just more expensive and arriving a while later, with a lot more potential broken promises.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
SGT FUNYOUN
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Hoodlums Associates
78
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Posted - 2013.09.29 02:52:00 -
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No.
This is just weak sauce all around.
No.
Play better or go back to WoW.
No... just no. |
Ciaphas Cyne
Turalyon Plus
Turalyon Alliance
47
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Posted - 2013.09.29 06:02:00 -
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SGT FUNYOUN wrote:No.
This is just weak sauce all around.
No.
Play better or go back to WoW.
No... just no.
do you have a tick?
"buff only the stuff I fly and nerf everything else"
- you |
Naomi Anthar
117
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Posted - 2013.09.29 07:15:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Naomi Anthar wrote:An angry rant with a forum violation in the first paragraph I recommend you see a proctologist for all of that butthurt. Oh, and quit the game. Clearly, the game you want to play is not EVE Online. I suggest you throw some money at Star Citizen, since that promises to be carebear heaven from all the crap I keep hearing about it.
Why i have to quit game i enjoy most of the time? Sure there few aspects about it i would change like thats what we are talking about. You look like someone with ganking alt or stuff like that. Clearly i touched you somewhere you did not want to be touched aka wallet and your stinking money from ganks in high sec.
You are **** thats all , go gank some mission runners in high sec , then go back to forums and tell others to stop play this game - since you know better how to play it. Right ... |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
215
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Posted - 2013.09.29 09:42:00 -
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I like the semi-permanent Suspect timer. Perhaps not 30 days, but 10 would be nice. Turn it into 30 days of criminality if you do it again while suspect. Heck, I'd even be willing to ditch CONCORD.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Andracin
Sickology
Dead Terrorists
264
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Posted - 2013.09.29 09:53:00 -
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Naomi Anthar wrote:Arya Regnar wrote:I have a fix for this problem.
Everyone in highsec gets suspect status.
Now you can kill everyone that looks at you in a weird way.
And that is better than CAREBEAR mode for gankers we got now. Trust me gankers would be first to dock in fear.
Hmm...I am a ganker and do not dock in fear. You may find me around the Hagilur system when I'm on. Oh and I am a -9.8 pirate so suspect status don't mean anything for me. The reason ppl get ganked is profits...even with the removal of insurance from concorded ships (the supposed great fix to end ganking) and the barge buff a few catalyst slapping an afk mackinaw/hulk/orca or autopiloting industrial yeilds valuable loot. I've never considered miner/hauler ganks to be l33t pvp but it does make isk, and as Marcus Tullius Cicero wrote "the sinews of war are infinite money". In our quest for infinite ISK to make war on the EVE universe, your unwillingness to adopt commonly known and frequently posted counter-measures to ganking aids us tremendously and for this we thankyou.
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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
543
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Posted - 2013.09.29 09:57:00 -
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It's not illegal to peer through car windows. One could be admiring the interior. Its opening the car door that crosses the line or reaching in through an open window and stealing an item from the vehicle. |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
216
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Posted - 2013.09.29 11:15:00 -
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Instead of "Suspect" status, how about we just give peeping toms "****" status which allows them to be ECM jammed.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Mole Guy
Xoth Inc
383
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:12:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:how do u prove someone isnt just looking to look and is in fact giving info to bad guys?
if i'm seen looking into someones car and then walk away. the police will not arrest me. if that car is then burgled, the police may come and ask me a few questions, but they'd have a hard time proving that i was involved.
so at best, the scanner should only be a suspect AFTER the gank has taken place.
and yes, scanners have an animation and sound. so u dnt need a flag to tell u that u've been scanned.
i dnt like this idea in general, but i also want to ask: What if scanning for contraband becomes a player activity? How do player custom enforcers scan other ppls ships for illegal items without going suspect or entering limited engagements all the time?
i not that bothered by ur own responses, but i'm aware CCP have thought about this and i'm pointing out that this idea would ruin it.
when the bad guy gets pinched and he rolls on your azz, the police will pick you up as an accomplice.
part of organized crime is having someone lookin out and passing on info. then its taken to a whole different level.
and the ecm jam only comes after you are scanned. once it happens, your contents are known. its over.
i understand its for profit.
lemme tell you how *I* would run it if this change went through.
*I* would undock my combat ship and watch who is getting timers and then engage em. once they scanners are off the field, then undock my goods and jet. i would run the combat ship in front of my cargo..
or, i might even bring an empty t1 bait ship beside my combat ship and just jump through empire back and forth.
how about you look up racketeering. many small violations over a 10 year period all add up to a bigger charge.
you have no reason to know whats in my cargo except to steal it in this game.
i should be able to legally defend myself.
castle law in texas has been extended to my vehicle. if i catch you breaking into my vehicle, i can shoot you. if you are all up on my vehicle, i can justify you "attempting to break in" and shoot u.
im not asking for concord to come hit u, i just wanna be able to do it. |
Mole Guy
Xoth Inc
383
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:15:00 -
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Naomi Anthar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Naomi Anthar wrote:An angry rant with a forum violation in the first paragraph I recommend you see a proctologist for all of that butthurt. Oh, and quit the game. Clearly, the game you want to play is not EVE Online. I suggest you throw some money at Star Citizen, since that promises to be carebear heaven from all the crap I keep hearing about it. Why i have to quit game i enjoy most of the time? Sure there few aspects about it i would change like thats what we are talking about. You look like someone with ganking alt or stuff like that. Clearly i touched you somewhere you did not want to be touched aka wallet and your stinking money from ganks in high sec. You are **** thats all , go gank some mission runners in high sec , then go back to forums and tell others to stop play this game - since you know better how to play it. Right ...
ooh, i dunno.
ive been playing since 03, i must wanna do something.
ive seen exploits come and go. whole entire corps banned for exploits.
this is a forum to suggest change.
and there is no butt hurt here. all i am asking is to defend myself. i can do it. i dont need concord.
beat it troll. |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
218
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:16:00 -
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Mole Guy wrote:im not asking for concord to come hit u, i just wanna be able to do it.
Exactly. This is supposed to be a "sandbox"; we're perfectly capable of handling this ourselves if given the right tools.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Mole Guy
Xoth Inc
383
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:22:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Mole Guy wrote:im not asking for concord to come hit u, i just wanna be able to do it. Exactly. This is supposed to be a "sandbox"; we're perfectly capable of handling this ourselves if given the right tools.
and this is all i am asking for. something that will allow me to patrol my own.
i dont mind having 3 accounts and running all 3 to enforce my own protection. turn high sec into null.. great! i dont care.
but give me the ability to protect myself. thats all i am asking.
and ships scanners are different from cargo scanners. i dont agree with ships scanners, but i dont care about that. |
Naomi Anthar
118
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Posted - 2013.09.29 18:24:00 -
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Mole Guy wrote:Naomi Anthar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Naomi Anthar wrote:An angry rant with a forum violation in the first paragraph I recommend you see a proctologist for all of that butthurt. Oh, and quit the game. Clearly, the game you want to play is not EVE Online. I suggest you throw some money at Star Citizen, since that promises to be carebear heaven from all the crap I keep hearing about it. Why i have to quit game i enjoy most of the time? Sure there few aspects about it i would change like thats what we are talking about. You look like someone with ganking alt or stuff like that. Clearly i touched you somewhere you did not want to be touched aka wallet and your stinking money from ganks in high sec. You are **** thats all , go gank some mission runners in high sec , then go back to forums and tell others to stop play this game - since you know better how to play it. Right ... ooh, i dunno. ive been playing since 03, i must wanna do something. ive seen exploits come and go. whole entire corps banned for exploits. this is a forum to suggest change. and there is no butt hurt here. all i am asking is to defend myself. i can do it. i dont need concord. beat it troll. just because i fly into jita once in a while doesnt mean i am a bear. it means i visited jita. if i were a bear, i would have a freighter. freighters dont get ganked all that much.
And what you are talking about troll ... dude read my post again. Actually i support your idea, get your head out of ass. thanks
This forum is to suggest changes as you said. And i even see what you want and i agree with it. Damn dude, get ******* off or whatever drug you take. |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
393
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Posted - 2013.09.29 18:58:00 -
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Well if a suspect flag is so 'mean'....why not a new "spoof" module to fake expensive stuff to bait people with  |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
653
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:23:00 -
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Cargo Scanning...ah the thing where there is only one ship class designed to counter it...and an expensive one at that, let me introduce you to:
EVELopedia wrote:Blockade Runners:
The Blockade Runner is the lighter and faster of the two, having fast align times, the ability to fit a covert ops cloak, and warp as fast as an interceptor (9 Au/sec). They excel at moving fast, but as a result they pay for it with poor cargo capacity, less than their T1 compatriot. Additionally, they can also use the covert jump bridge used by Black Ops battleships, giving them additional options for getting around and supporting attacks.
Note: Can fit Covert Ops Cloaks and Covert Cynosural Fields. Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 5 seconds; immune to cargo scanning.
Now what I find curious is that these ships are balanced by "They excel at moving fast, but as a result they pay for it with poor cargo capacity" not due to their immunity to cargo scanning.
Cost: Prowler, 86mil ISK.
Now I personally think that they should extended the "immune to cargo scanning" to all T2 Transport Ships...they're supposed to be specialised and take some serious skilling up. The cost is not to be scoffed at either.
I was going to say that Cargo Scanning should be left as is for NPC's only but that doesn't make sense. You only Cargo Scan with the intent to steal. No one fits a cargo scanner just because. And it's the intent that should give the person a "Suspect" flag.
Now some will say:
- I can look in anyone's cargo container and not get a flag. Well that's correct but you didn't scan it did you?
- I can lock someone without the intent to fire. You can and you can't prove intent as sometimes we just miss click or have CTRL held down when clicking.
But to lock and Cargo Scan someone is with the intent to steal\attack for said cargo, fair and square.
+1 from me for a change to this.
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