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Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.01.19 17:51:00 - [1] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 19/01/2006 17:55:03 View the comic I haven't been laughing too much lately while playing EVE, and that comes to great, great concern to me. I love this game and this place, and that's why I strive to make it better for everyone. So, I took a shot at a Warp Drive Active comic. Being a source of great joy, I decided to make my own (my ship, the Bitter Burner is featured in the first and third sketches!!) Anyway, Winterblink and I had a brief chat about it and all that was said is "let's see if it gets a good response before we release it." Give it a good response people, and I hope you enjoy my very first EVE comic! The [actual] Reality of Life _________ roflfest 2006 - be there
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.01.19 17:53:00 - [2] By "Warp Drive Active", I think you mean "Warp Drive Active style". And I didn't like it. I read it. I read it again. I didn't get a laugh. shrug. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.01.19 17:56:00 - [3] I dont get it... -------------
Forsaken Tome	Posted - 2006.01.19 17:57:00 - [4] i think ur funny bone is on the dry side, for i don't get it. but then i don't see it from ur point of view
Fashion Bug	Posted - 2006.01.19 17:58:00 - [5] There needs to be a gate camp blasting the newbs with smartbombs.
Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.01.19 17:59:00 - [6] This is really strange. A lot of people in help chat got it, local chat and even a few other channels. You guys are a tough crowd. _________ roflfest 2006 - be there
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.01.19 18:04:00 - [7] i can't say i'm a fan
Nacho Man	Posted - 2006.01.19 18:05:00 - [8] Very Worthy of the WDA stamp, if you ask me. I have seen this many-a-time. Thanks for the morning laugh! Good Luck, Nacho
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2006.01.19 18:06:00 - [9] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa This is really strange. A lot of people in help chat got it, local chat and even a few other channels. You guys are a tough crowd. Are you Thomus's alt ?
My grandfather	Posted - 2006.01.19 18:08:00 - [10] tbh, I kind of like it. I get the joke, but I've seen better. You got talent though, you just need some practice.
LordCaine Alt	Posted - 2006.01.19 18:13:00 - [11] Well, not too bad, but think you need to focus those text balloons more from whom they are. maybe another style of textballoons and font too :) I give it a 6.5 out of 10. Its nice for a first time comic. making comics is like an eve char: you start with almost skillpoints but it will improve overtime, just don't give up :)
Nacho Man	Posted - 2006.01.19 18:15:00 - [12] OK - funny I didn't get it at first - I see they didn't jump. As I understood it, the lag was soo horrible in the adjacent system, that it took forever for the new system to refresh - anyway - keep working on it, mate.
itsatrappp	Posted - 2006.01.19 18:17:00 - [13] your comic sucked, sorry but TBH it did. not that i can do anything better than that though ;)
Winterblink	Posted - 2006.01.19 18:32:00 - [14] Tricky, ain't it? It's tough to do a joke that's got universal appeal. My suggestion was to show it to a couple people, like people you know - not EVERYONE. :) winterblink warp drive active.http://winterblink.com/wda nature vraie.http://winterblink.com/env
Forsaken Tome	Posted - 2006.01.19 18:35:00 - [15] Originally by: Winterblink Tricky, ain't it? It's tough to do a joke that's got universal appeal. My suggestion was to show it to a couple people, like people you know - not EVERYONE. :) well he now knows it a comic eat comic world now, plus with abt of help from someone and the lag part. which was missed in the comic i do get it now, but still not funny
Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.01.19 18:47:00 - [16] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 19/01/2006 18:48:00 _________ roflfest 2006 - be there
Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.01.19 18:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Winterblink Tricky, ain't it? It's tough to do a joke that's got universal appeal. My suggestion was to show it to a couple people, like people you know - not EVERYONE. :) The people I showed liked it. These are all forum moguls. Jenny liked it. _________ roflfest 2006 - be there
Forsaken Tome	Posted - 2006.01.19 18:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Winterblink Tricky, ain't it? It's tough to do a joke that's got universal appeal. My suggestion was to show it to a couple people, like people you know - not EVERYONE. :) The people I showed liked it. These are all forum moguls. Jenny liked it. not everyone has gate lag like u, for where i am, i get a max of 15 people in my system, i been though jita and there are like 350 people, u got to use something that everyone has at least had done to them the once, i been lucky and never had that promble
Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.01.19 18:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Forsaken Tome Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Winterblink Tricky, ain't it? It's tough to do a joke that's got universal appeal. My suggestion was to show it to a couple people, like people you know - not EVERYONE. :) The people I showed liked it. These are all forum moguls. Jenny liked it. not everyone has gate lag like u, for where i am, i get a max of 15 people in my system, i been though jita and there are like 350 people, u got to use something that everyone has at least had done to them the once, i been lucky and never had that promble I don't have gate lag either, but a lot of people do, and I find it funny. Anyway, so far, like 9 people I've asked like it. _________ roflfest 2006 - be there
Saeris Tal'Urduar	Posted - 2006.01.19 18:56:00 - [20] I liked it.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.01.19 18:57:00 - [21] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 19/01/2006 18:57:44 8/10 Try more again. Practice makes perfect. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
super4lt	Posted - 2006.01.19 18:57:00 - [22] 1/10 Maybe if you removed the silly thing on your head you might do better. Super4lt is here to let yall know what time it is
Syrec	Posted - 2006.01.19 18:59:00 - [23] It was as good as some of the WDA's.
Montague Zooma	Posted - 2006.01.19 19:08:00 - [24] By the time I figured out why it was supposed to be funny, it was too late. You have the basis for a decent gag, but need better execution. It no doubt kicks in better for those who have had the exact same experience as depicted but, as Winterblink indicated, making it universally appealing ain't as easy as it looks. BTW I've had the experience of making packed auditoriums fill with laughter...and I've also bombed. A lot. Don't defend the joke. If you have to defend it, it isn't working. Make it better. Comedy is hard. ------------------------------------------------------------------- One noob. One corp. One complete waste of 1.6 million isk.
Firebreak	Posted - 2006.01.19 19:09:00 - [25] If this joke has something to do with a jumpgate glitch, I have never experienced it, so I don't get it. Maybe this is why a lot of people are saying they don't get it or it's not funny. It probably would be funny if something like this happened to me at all. Fire -------------------- 5, 6, 7, 8! Who do we... uhhh.. I can't think of anything that rhymes with 8!
Vegeir	Posted - 2006.01.19 19:27:00 - [26] A start but you can do better. A joke you have to explain or defend is doomed btw. Originally by: Vegeir Experience exists in EVE, it just isn't measured in numbers.
Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.01.19 19:34:00 - [27] I am finding this to have been a mistake. Should have just run it by WB. A joke isn't always gotten by EVERYONE. Heh. These are the forums that almost all hated the font, while lots of people liked it. Opinions. This was a mistake. I won't publish this kind of stuff for the public again. Also, just to let everyone know this is by NO MEANS the finished version, just a really rough idea. I have some other ideas on how to reword things too. _________ roflfest 2006 - be there

Wrangler	Posted - 2006.01.19 19:41:00 - [28] I didn't get it either, but thats no reason to stop. Maybe its me and maybe it wasnt funny, but the next one might be better, or next one I might get. So just go on and make another one. [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators] - [Give me money!]

Brolly	Posted - 2006.01.19 19:46:00 - [29] Nice 1, got it straight away. C'mon, it's easy enough to get even for noob. Anyhoo's, keep at it and don't let the bastards grind ya down
Kylania	Posted - 2006.01.19 19:48:00 - [30] Don't give up Sii! It's got potential! -- Lil Miner

Vanamonde	Posted - 2006.01.19 19:51:00 - [31] Is the joke that the gate stops working [Read the Rules!] \| [[email protected]] \| [Give Wrangler money!]

Quanteeri	Posted - 2006.01.19 19:52:00 - [32] Edited by: Quanteeri on 19/01/2006 19:57:36 Poor SK. I get it, I think you actualy got to be stuck at a gate as you read it to really "feel the burn". Keep it up! <- This coming from a person that is known for habitually *****ing jokes that only I get. Had I read it last night while tryng to jump into Reblier, I probably would have roflcopterd then send isk. I'm pretty sure Thomus will roflcopter for you though. Honestly, to make it funny, you probably need about 6 empty black frames in between each comic frame that say "Jumping", to help demonstrate the time span. Oh, and, I'm sure WB has had a few fall a little flat. Probably never get him to admit it though.
Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.01.19 20:01:00 - [33] Originally by: Winterblink Edited by: Winterblink on 19/01/2006 19:47:46 Agreed with the Wrangly one. If you're interested in doing comics then don't give up just because some people don't get the first one. :) Oh, and above all, do it for your own enjoyment first and foremost. I didn't say I was giving up, I'm saying it was a mistake to post it publicly. But I did get some decent feedback, but I think it was being looked at as the 'final product.' _________ roflfest 2006 - be there
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.01.19 20:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Montague Zooma By the time I figured out why it was supposed to be funny, it was too late. You have the basis for a decent gag, but need better execution. /seconded
Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.01.19 20:03:00 - [35] Originally by: Quanteeri Edited by: Quanteeri on 19/01/2006 19:59:17 Poor SK. I get it, I think you've actualy got to be stuck at a gate as you read it to really "feel the burn". Keep it up! <- This coming from a person that is known for habitually *****ing jokes that only I get. Had I read it last night while tryng to jump into Reblier, I probably would have roflcopterd then sent isks. I'm pretty sure Thomus will roflcopter for you though. Honestly, to make it funny, you probably need about 6 empty black frames in between each comic frame that say "Jumping", to help demonstrate the time span. Oh, and, I'm sure WB has had a few fall a little flat. Probably never get him to admit it though. Yeah I was going to do the "jumping" thing that Aura was talking about. hahahaha see these were just a basic sketch. _________ roflfest 2006 - be there
Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.01.19 20:05:00 - [36] I'll come back tomorrow morning with the "completed" revision. I'll do this because I want to show I can do it :P Anyway, I also have another sketch idea as well, and I suppose I'll post it. Thanks for the support you guys. I loves you all anyway. _________ roflfest 2006 - be there
Mylene Rever	Posted - 2006.01.19 20:09:00 - [37] It took me a couple seconds, but I laughed:) Takes a lot of nerve to post something like that in a forum
Kurren	Posted - 2006.01.19 20:18:00 - [38] Originally by: itsatrappp your comic sucked, sorry but TBH it did. not that i can do anything better than that though ;) Wow... scared you're gonna get podded for your opinion? The comic did kinda suck though. Looked great, but the punchlines need some work. ************************************************* Sobakai Resources, here for you!
nahtoh	Posted - 2006.01.19 20:35:00 - [39] Edited by: nahtoh on 19/01/2006 20:37:30 Sorry but I don't find it that funny myself...took to long to get...might have been the last text bubbles I think thats what confused me... But don't give up... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
the pumaman	Posted - 2006.01.19 20:38:00 - [40] Originally by: Winterblink Edited by: Winterblink on 19/01/2006 19:47:46 Agreed with the Wrangly one. If you're interested in doing comics then don't give up just because some people don't get the first one. :) Oh, and above all, do it for your own enjoyment first and foremost. Agreed. Don't stop making them. Post your new ones, and don't worry about what some people say.
Adrenochrome	Posted - 2006.01.19 20:40:00 - [41] Don't give up your day job.
Brutal Butcher	Posted - 2006.01.19 20:54:00 - [42] worst joke i've seen in weeks ___________________________________ agent quote Quote: Not bad. You've just saved a few of our disease-ridden slaves being released from captivity, we are proud of you! no problem :D
Colonel O'Neill	Posted - 2006.01.19 20:58:00 - [43] I get it but I don't find it humorous... Sorry. // Colonel O'Neill
RedWyvern	Posted - 2006.01.19 20:59:00 - [44] I get the joke, but it's not too funny tbh. Maybe if lag caused the protagonist to lock and fire on the gate instead of a nearby rat or something, that might get more laughs. Don't give up though. We're watching you... -------------------------------------------------- Loyalty, Integrity, Honour.
Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.01.19 21:00:00 - [45] Originally by: Adrenochrome Don't give up your day job. I'm at my day job right now :P To the person that said worst joke they've seen.... try polishing your speech a little. That came off a little offensive. _________ roflfest 2006 - be there
Tarsha Listur	Posted - 2006.01.19 21:53:00 - [46] pffft i liked it, the punch line needed a tweak but other than that it was great. stop being meanies
Benilopax	Posted - 2006.01.19 22:30:00 - [47] Originally by: Sirial Soulfly Originally by: Siigari Kitawa This is really strange. A lot of people in help chat got it, local chat and even a few other channels. You guys are a tough crowd. Are you Thomus's alt ? Owned my god Tom will laugh at that.

Wrangler	Posted - 2006.01.19 22:34:00 - [48] Siigari, if you don't want to post it publically, please send it to our mailing list, we'll give you some feedback if you want to. [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators] - [Give me money!]

Celto	Posted - 2006.01.19 22:45:00 - [49] That wasn't really funny at all :( You should probably stop defending it, its not gonna get funny if you make a "final product." Just try a new one.
Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.01.19 22:46:00 - [50] Originally by: Wrangler Siigari, if you don't want to post it publically, please send it to our mailing list, we'll give you some feedback if you want to. What's the mailing list? _________ roflfest 2006 - be there

Wrangler	Posted - 2006.01.19 22:48:00 - [51] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Wrangler Siigari, if you don't want to post it publically, please send it to our mailing list, we'll give you some feedback if you want to. What's the mailing list? The mods mailing list, in my signature. [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators] - [Give me money!]

Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.01.19 22:54:00 - [52] Originally by: Wrangler Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Wrangler Siigari, if you don't want to post it publically, please send it to our mailing list, we'll give you some feedback if you want to. What's the mailing list? The mods mailing list, in my signature. Oh I thought you meant ingame. Okay. _________ roflfest 2006 - be there
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.01.19 22:55:00 - [53] That was pretty good. How can you people not get it? -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Tommy TenKreds	Posted - 2006.01.19 23:55:00 - [54] Siigari - do one about red cans and how easy it is to get jumpy when you warp into a crowd of them in an unfamiliar low sec system. Tommy TenKreds Signature Contest -- 120 million ISK giveaway.
Jowen Datloran	Posted - 2006.01.20 00:19:00 - [55] I can only encourage you to keep it up or even better, improve. As I can't remeber ever to have had "gate lag" I didn't get the joke at all. Only by reading this thread I understand now that gate lag exsist. ---------------- Main as main can be
Failin Zhar	Posted - 2006.01.20 00:20:00 - [56] Originally by: Dark Shikari That was pretty good. How can you people not get it? Perhaps because...you know, people have different tastes when it comes to homour? Just a wild guess. I read the joke, got it but didn't think it was funny at all. Then again I like virtually none of the other warp drive active jokes either. If she (the OP) thinks it's fun to do these jokes she should go on and do more. As someone said earlier in the thread, practice makes perfect. Though it's impossible to make a joke that everyone think is fun. Getting defensive and trying to imply that forum people are *****y or thick since they didn't "get" the joke, while her online buddies did like it, is weak though. If someone publishes their work on a big forum like this they can hardly expect only creamy and peachy replies. Getting defensive never helped anyone getting better at their craft, ever. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Balklanac	Posted - 2006.01.20 00:30:00 - [57] Not bad really , in terms of understaning what it is to be an empire carebear its on the ball and he can only improve from here.
Esrevatem Dlareme	Posted - 2006.01.20 00:30:00 - [58] The last speech bubble doesn't really strike me as a "punch line" like it really should. If there had been a lot more chatter about the jumpgate not working amongst the ships, as well as random banter, and then some yelling coming from jumpgate telling Ernie to wake up or something, I think it would've been a tad more funny. I encourage you to try again tho. (Imagine the Concord ship saying "Dough Nuts... Dooooouuuuggh Nuuuuuuuttss..." or something. :p) ______________________________________________ As I stand, dazzled by the shattered twilight, I think back... I think back to all the events that have brought me here. And I realize... I realize I was ment to come here. Someone wanted me to come here. And now, I have come here.
Akyan	Posted - 2006.01.20 00:39:00 - [59] Well, you got a quick laugh out of me!
Jowen Datloran	Posted - 2006.01.20 00:43:00 - [60] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 20/01/2006 00:43:56 What do you think of this taken directly out of corp chat? ----- Katrina Kirellii > Now what are the odds that I try my first MMO and my main friend is name "Mostly Harmless" and I come to this MMO an I talk to Mhostly Harmless. I figure it must be 1 in 42 or some such - fer sure. Mhostly Harmless > defintly 1 in 42. Katrina Kirellii > It is hard not to think of you as her. Mhostly Harmless > There arent too many good replies for that kind of statement ----- Mhostly being a guy as guy can be. ---------------- Main as main can be
Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.01.20 01:08:00 - [61] Okay I just did a little research, and tomorrow I am going to bring you some HIGH-QUALITY comics! I'm so excited! :D _________ roflfest 2006 - be there
Cethrie	Posted - 2006.01.20 01:42:00 - [62] While I get it, its just too forced. Don't stop trying.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.01.20 01:45:00 - [63] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 20/01/2006 01:45:00 Originally by: Dark Shikari That was pretty good. How can you people not get it? Hmmm... think the better phrase for this is, they who laugh last, think the slowest? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.01.20 01:48:00 - [64] Originally by: Failin Zhar Originally by: Dark Shikari That was pretty good. How can you people not get it? Perhaps because...you know, people have different tastes when it comes to homour? Just a wild guess. I read the joke, got it but didn't think it was funny at all. Then again I like virtually none of the other warp drive active jokes either. If she (the OP) thinks it's fun to do these jokes she should go on and do more. As someone said earlier in the thread, practice makes perfect. Though it's impossible to make a joke that everyone think is fun. Getting defensive and trying to imply that forum people are *****y or thick since they didn't "get" the joke, while her online buddies did like it, is weak though. If someone publishes their work on a big forum like this they can hardly expect only creamy and peachy replies. Getting defensive never helped anyone getting better at their craft, ever. There's a difference between not getting it and not thinking its funny. IMO, it wasn't very funny at all. But I still "got" it. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Sam Albertek	Posted - 2006.01.20 01:50:00 - [65] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa This is really strange. A lot of people in help chat got it, local chat and even a few other channels. You guys are a tough crowd. ooh i think i get it now eddie is the person managing the gate right?
Lunaticdie04	Posted - 2006.01.20 01:51:00 - [66] I got it. It wasn't funny. And neither are a lot of WDA comics. Sorry but that's how I feel.
Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.01.20 01:52:00 - [67] Originally by: Sam Albertek Originally by: Siigari Kitawa This is really strange. A lot of people in help chat got it, local chat and even a few other channels. You guys are a tough crowd. ooh i think i get it now eddie is the person managing the gate right? Do you like Chocolate Chip cookies? :D _________ roflfest 2006 - be there
MrFu	Posted - 2006.01.20 02:39:00 - [68] None gets my jokes either,I am just surprised you are not minmatar 400x120@24000 bytes Max. -Capsicum
Brastagi	Posted - 2006.01.20 02:52:00 - [69] Well it's your first try at making WDA style. Don't worry about that, I don't get some of WDA comic jokes neither. You just need to find something that appeal most of the crowd. --------- Please reduce your signature radius to be below 24.000 bytes - Jacques' Right, after I train my inty to lvl 5 ~Mencari orang Indo~
Facechanger2	Posted - 2006.01.20 02:59:00 - [70] I didn't get it at all. It took me reading these 3 pages to realise that there was a joke so I went back to look at it. The reasons being: You had a character in a ship that was talking in the first 2 frames, then had no real reference to her/him in the last one. The speech bubbles were erratic in the 3rd frame. I read the stargate chatter as your main character's chatter, and i read the other bubble as Aura's chatter. As stupid as that sounds now (I only realised til I read back) it's because alot of people skim over a comic strip expecting to be spoon fed. Of course some don't, but many do, and the last frame really wasn't for skim readers - you had to look at where the bubbles were pointing, and take in the different names you were dropping from frame to frame. I like your art though, and the joke will be good once the execution is sorted :) I hope this was constructive for you.
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2006.01.20 03:05:00 - [71] GJ givin it a go but even tho it was only a page, there isn't really much to it. It's not gonna get a laugh out of me because it's not really witty, your sort of statin the obvious. Sorry There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Trepkos	Posted - 2006.01.20 03:13:00 - [72] Edited by: Trepkos on 20/01/2006 03:13:16 Call me a player hater. But I think you would have much better luck if you didnt try to mimic the dry humor of WDA, and did your own thing. Sorry, WDA-Fans.... flame on. -------- Recruitment
nahtoh	Posted - 2006.01.20 03:54:00 - [73] Originally by: Trepkos Edited by: Trepkos on 20/01/2006 03:13:16 Call me a player hater. But I think you would have much better luck if you didnt try to mimic the dry humor of WDA, and did your own thing. Sorry, WDA-Fans.... flame on. I must admit i like WDA...but the strip in question was just not that funny, i liked the art...but the wit was not dry, nor that funny. but humor is very subjetive...keep trying and find yor own style... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Dak Hakin	Posted - 2006.01.20 05:36:00 - [74] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Winterblink Tricky, ain't it? It's tough to do a joke that's got universal appeal. My suggestion was to show it to a couple people, like people you know - not EVERYONE. :) Jenny liked it. _______________________________________________ Dont tell Scotty, Scotty doesn't know Mr. Grumpy-sour-pus
Lex Sebastion	Posted - 2006.01.20 05:40:00 - [75] I liked it. Dont let any one get you down as they say "You can please some of the people some of the time, but never all the people" or something along that lines. Keep it up!
Beringe	Posted - 2006.01.20 05:43:00 - [76] You shouldn't try to beat Winterblink at his own game. Next time, make sure that your comic is more original, and not emulating his style. Nice attempt, but don't expect a lot of applause for what is basically a rip-off. ------------------------------------------- Sometimes, I wake up but keep on dreaming.
Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.01.20 06:27:00 - [77] Originally by: Beringe You shouldn't try to beat Winterblink at his own game. Next time, make sure that your comic is more original, and not emulating his style. Nice attempt, but don't expect a lot of applause for what is basically a rip-off. Read the thread. _________ roflfest 2006 - be there
Zuki Ed	Posted - 2006.01.20 07:53:00 - [78] Nice try, keep going I liked it, took some time to figure out though . I cna ytpe 300 wrods pre mniuet!!!
Beringe	Posted - 2006.01.20 08:22:00 - [79] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Read the thread. I did. Or didn't you "get" my reply? ------------------------------------------- Sometimes, I wake up but keep on dreaming.

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