Edit 2: I'm quite sure i deserve to be at least level one in using BC's even though i don't have warfare link skills, seing how i fly them all with maxed stats -_-

x-posting from the test server thread:

It looks like I don't have Cruiser mastery above II for just about every cruiser for only two reasons:
I don't have Electronic Warfare Drones to III (it's II, which is enough to use EC-300s)

Well, to be honest, you'll need warfare links to fully use their potential. I agree, it shouldn't be required for the lowest levels, but I'd consider them important in the long run/for the higher ranks.

I've been looking at this thread and the "test server" subsection of the forums, we'll be making tweaks to the certificates based on your feedback (mainly having a look at Micro Jump Drive skill in navigation, or the Sensor Compensation skills).

Good point on the rig skills as well - they'll most likely stay in the last certificate level, but may end up being moved up a bit.

The ability to use warfare links should only be required for level 4 mastery of battlecruisers, if at all. Training anything in warfare link specialist should only be a requirement for level 5 mastery of battlecruisers, if at all.

This was a very ego-deflating experience, knowing that I have nothing higher than level 2 mastery in any ship line.

Good point as well - keeping warfare links on level4-5 masteries on Tech1 battlecruisers would make sense - however they'll be required from the get go on Command Ships due to their requirements.

I've been looking at this thread and the "test server" subsection of the forums, we'll be making tweaks to the certificates based on your feedback (mainly having a look at Micro Jump Drive skill in navigation, or the Sensor Compensation skills).

Good point on the rig skills as well - they'll most likely stay in the last certificate level, but may end up being moved up a bit.

Good point as well - keeping warfare links on level4-5 masteries on Tech1 battlecruisers would make sense - however they'll be required from the get go on Command Ships due to their requirements.

Elite reqiuirements for some ships are somewhat silly.

Shuttles needing Navigation V to master, meaning MWD, MJD & AB Skills V while none of these can be fitted.

Ibis requires level V ECM skills to master as well as the navigation.

There are many more like this.
The issue I see here is you're looking to use this system to guide newbies on how to be best in these ships, yet some of the requirements for them are beyond what they can (or should) do or sometimes modules they can't even fit.

Edit*
I apparently am only rank II in the Blackbird, this is with everything for ECM V, Caldari Cruiser V. The Target Breaker Amplification should not be a part of ECM as it misleads people on the use of ECM skills.

The mastering of the certificates is one thing, but it can't be simply mapped to the ships, because of the different requirements for the ships.
When I look on some ships, I am mastery of 2, but I am at mastery 4/5 due to the not used/never needed skills in this ship (like sensor compensation, Adv.Target Management or Micro Jump Drive). This make the Mastery level on the ships useless.


1) Rigging (it makes no sense to have this for ships, which is not possible to rig). Funny for a shuttle or a rookie ship. But is correct to have it on level 5 for mastering the ship.

2) Skills, which are not usable are in the certificates (example Micro Jump Drive, which is not fitable on all ships). Ok for mastering the certificates, but only for some ships needed to master.

3) Targetting with all 'sensor compensation" skills are mapped to all ships. For mastering a caldari ship, only gravimetric is needed for mastering.

4) Why do I need "Advanced Target Management Level V" on any Frigate/Cruiser/BC/BS ? It must be adapted for each ship, instead of one global certificate. None of these ships can have more than 10 targets.

5) The Jump Drive is only in the Capital Navigation, but there are also some Battleships/Freighters ... skill is needed for mastering a widow.


The new certificate system is in much cases very "high level" for mapping to the required ship types.
It should be possible to be a master in Navigation-Frigate, but not in all other Navigation certificates.
Please re-think, which skills are usable for each ship/ship type. (as you have done it in Drones/Gunnery)


We need to have more steps in your certification tree, like for example:
- Navigation certificate ... consists of Navigation-Shuttle / Navigation-Frigate / Navigation-Cruiser / etc. certificates
- Targetting ... consists of Targetting-Caldari / Targetting-Amarr / etc. (to get the correct sensor Compensation) and Targetting-Frigate / Targetting-Cruiser / etc. (to get the max. possible targetting count)
- Small projectile turret certificate ... consists of Small short range proj.turret / Small long range proj.turret certifcate
- Manufacturing ... Big ships, Small ships, Projectile, Hybrid, Missiles, Tech3, etc.
- etc.

Then it will be possible to map the required certificates to the ships. It was partially done in the Gunnery/Missile certificates. There is also not just one 'Projectile Turret' or one 'Drone' certificate! But there is one wrong global 'Navigation' or 'Targetting' certificate.