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Tivari
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:06:00 -
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HELLO
I'm trying to decide on a goal for myself. I have decided to choose between NAGLFAR DREADNOUGHT or CELESTIS CRUISER. Please list pros and cons of both.
I also like mining and ELECTRONIC WARFARE if that helps at all. I hace MANY SKILLS and am a VERY GOOD PILOT (MANY SPS).
NO FLAMES PLEASE. |

wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:07:00 -
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lol
soar angelic now recruting |

Tivari
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Idara Ibis is the ship you want.
That is not one of SHIPS listed. Plz reread. |

Idara
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:08:00 -
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Ibis is the ship you want. -------------------------------------------------------- Ensign BSC Military The maximum image file size allowed for signatures is 24kb. --Jorauk |

Hanns
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tivari HELLO
NO FLAMES PLEASE.
ROFL
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Tivari
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Hanns
Originally by: Tivari HELLO
NO FLAMES PLEASE.
ROFL
no flames plz.
MODS DELETE OFFTOPIC POSTS LIKE THIS. |

Hanns
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Hanns on 21/01/2006 21:17:11 Edited by: Hanns on 21/01/2006 21:16:51
Originally by: Tivari
Originally by: Hanns
Originally by: Tivari HELLO
NO FLAMES PLEASE.
ROFL
no flames plz.
MODS DELETE OFFTOPIC POSTS LIKE THIS.
Play eve for another few months, thne come back and read your post again, you will understand
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Tivari
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Hanns
Originally by: Tivari
Originally by: Hanns
Originally by: Tivari HELLO
NO FLAMES PLEASE.
ROFL
no flames plz.
MODS DELETE OFFTOPIC POSTS LIKE THIS.
Play eve for another few months, thne come back and read your post again, you will understand
I have played 3 MONTHS. believe me i know what i doing. |

Hanns
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tivari
Originally by: Hanns
Originally by: Tivari
Originally by: Hanns
Originally by: Tivari HELLO
NO FLAMES PLEASE.
ROFL
no flames plz.
MODS DELETE OFFTOPIC POSTS LIKE THIS.
Play eve for another few months, thne come back and read your post again, you will understand
I have played 3 MONTHS. believe me i know what i doing.
ok let me explain it in a manner you might understand, your post is like working a 9 to 5 job earning ú250 a week and asking if you should save up money for a Aston Martin vanquish or a second hand 10 year old mini city.
it is quite silly.
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:19:00 -
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You will need more than 1 billion isk for a dreadnaught, and more then 3mil isk for the cruiser.
You will also need more then 2 skillpoints and more then 2 points of IQ.
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CptEagle
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:22:00 -
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Best thread of the month! 
PS... Go get the Celestis, after you flew it for 1 year or more start thinking about the Naglfar again.
FatBalls > CCP just checked their logs and no lag ever came from EvE |

Forsch
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:23:00 -
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Don't be fooled by a silly alt.. tsk tsk. 
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Mr Floppyknickers
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:23:00 -
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Makingthe wild leap this is a legit question...
I would suggest training for the celestis (or a better ship like a BS) first. It'll be far easier to do and far less costly. Alot of the skills will cross over to dreadnaught usefullness, and by doing so it will give you a tool to use while you take the time to amass to coinsiderable fortune required to not only buy a Dreadnaught and the costly skills to fly it.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:25:00 -
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Quality.
Official Nos Troll |

Tivari
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Floppyknickers Makingthe wild leap this is a legit question...
I would suggest training for the celestis (or a better ship like a BS) first. It'll be far easier to do and far less costly. Alot of the skills will cross over to dreadnaught usefullness, and by doing so it will give you a tool to use while you take the time to amass to coinsiderable fortune required to not only buy a Dreadnaught and the costly skills to fly it.
Thank you very MUCH for youre post. It was easy to understand and nicer than UNNESSARY FLAMES from other ppl.
I will go for CELESTIS and pirate for a few weeks for ISK i need for NAGLFAR. thank you again. |

Vegeir
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tivari HELLO
I'm trying to decide on a goal for myself. I have decided to choose between NAGLFAR DREADNOUGHT or CELESTIS CRUISER. Please list pros and cons of both.
I also like mining and ELECTRONIC WARFARE if that helps at all. I hace MANY SKILLS and am a VERY GOOD PILOT (MANY SPS).
NO FLAMES PLEASE.
What are this sps and where do buy them more I can?
Originally by: Vegeir
Experience exists in EVE, it just isn't measured in numbers.
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Bl4zer
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: Bl4zer on 21/01/2006 21:30:34
Originally by: Tivari I'm trying to decide on a goal for myself. I have decided to choose between NAGLFAR DREADNOUGHT or CELESTIS CRUISER. Please list pros and cons of both.
I have a Celestis and its not very good. I can't drive a Naglfar, but I assume that it is better than a Celestis. Certainly it will have a bigger hold so that you will be able to mine for much longer before it fills up.
Save the Ubar asteroids |

Tivari
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Bl4zer Edited by: Bl4zer on 21/01/2006 21:30:34
Originally by: Tivari I'm trying to decide on a goal for myself. I have decided to choose between NAGLFAR DREADNOUGHT or CELESTIS CRUISER. Please list pros and cons of both.
I have a Celestis and its not very good. I can't drive a Naglfar, but I assume that it is better than a Celestis. Certainly it will have a bigger hold so that you will be able to mine for much longer before it fills up.
THANK you i did not think of that. that is a good pro for NAGLFAR. |

Wulfgard
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:35:00 -
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Is this thread for real
.. no more booze for me tonight
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:39:00 -
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Celestis is the better ship
Pros of Celestis
It can kill a frigate, and dampen some ships.
Cons of Celestis
Its ugly
Pros of Naglfar
Its cool looking
Cons of Naglfar
It cant kill a frigate
_______________________________________________ Deadspace For Dead space!
Originally by: Oveur
To the nerfmobile!
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Essence Girl
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:45:00 -
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nagalfar is a Mini Matar ship so its really really uggly!!! dun fly those Scraps Of Junk get a good ship. why only 2 ships btw? u can get lots better 1s that are much cooler  
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Xio2
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:55:00 -
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naglfars are ugly as heck. out of the two go for the celestic. but may i recommend a phoenix instead of a naglfar?  -------------- now this is the way a sig should be Xio2 |

Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:57:00 -
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the celestis can kill a badly fitted frigate solo
the naglfar can kill a badly fitted small pos solo
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Sky Hunter
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Posted - 2006.01.21 22:00:00 -
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Best topic ive seen so far, man....i got coffee coming out of my nose by now
p.s. get Celestis....its cool, you can damp dread and kill it! -=-
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Adoran Wa'alle
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Posted - 2006.01.21 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tivari
Originally by: Mr Floppyknickers Makingthe wild leap this is a legit question...
I would suggest training for the celestis (or a better ship like a BS) first. It'll be far easier to do and far less costly. Alot of the skills will cross over to dreadnaught usefullness, and by doing so it will give you a tool to use while you take the time to amass to coinsiderable fortune required to not only buy a Dreadnaught and the costly skills to fly it.
Thank you very MUCH for youre post. It was easy to understand and nicer than UNNESSARY FLAMES from other ppl.
I will go for CELESTIS and pirate for a few weeks for ISK i need for NAGLFAR. thank you again.
Few weeks? 
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Selling Sigs. EVEmail for info |

Kashre
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Posted - 2006.01.21 22:03:00 -
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Is your other name Grand Admiral Newbie? :P +++
It's called "low security space" for a reason. |

Adoran Wa'alle
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Posted - 2006.01.21 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Adoran Wa''alle on 21/01/2006 22:06:04 I gotta agree with one of the previous posts though. I think what you're looking for is the ibis 
EDIT: Oh and how "many sps" do you have? hundreds? 
Sorry, I'll stop now 
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Selling Sigs. EVEmail for info |

Tivari
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Posted - 2006.01.21 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul the celestis can kill a badly fitted frigate solo
the naglfar can kill a badly fitted small pos solo
which is more common in solo pvp? can a CELESTIS kill a POS? |

Tivari
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Posted - 2006.01.21 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Adoran Wa'alle Edited by: Adoran Wa''alle on 21/01/2006 22:06:04 I gotta agree with one of the previous posts though. I think what you're looking for is the ibis 
EDIT: Oh and how "many sps" do you have? hundreds? 
Sorry, I'll stop now 
adoran walle NO FLAMES. i can see youre sarcasm quiet easily my friend. i have been playing for months and i am SURE i have more SPS than you so please leave this thread.
MODS DELETE ADORAN WALLES POSTS PLEASE. |

Adoran Wa'alle
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Posted - 2006.01.21 22:29:00 -
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If you've been playing for months, then you've got more SPs than me easily. I've been playing for under a month 
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Selling Sigs. EVEmail for info |
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Eldo Davip

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Posted - 2006.01.21 22:57:00 -
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Thread cleaned up. Please do no post inflammatory remarks.
Tivara if you are not an alt this is why people are laughing and making such remarks.
A Celestis cruiser is cheap around 3-4million, whereas a Naglfar is around 1.5-2 billion. They are of completely different classes and buying and operating a naglfar is hard. It will take a lot of time to effectively use a naglfar.
As a word of advice try buying a naglfar when you have crossed atleast 15mil skillpoints , this is my personal opinion. For now buy the Celestis.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.01.21 23:11:00 -
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Actually, I'd suggest something completely different.
Since the Celestis is currently not very useful at all (please read the Shin Ra posts on the ships and module forums for detailed info), try some other cruiser like a Vexor or a Thorax. And then you set it as a personal goal to get a Carrier, since they are far more useful. Although fair warning is that you must, I repeat, must have a friend or alt to even move a capital ship.
It's good to aim high, by the way, just don't let the amibition get the better of you.
Visit http://www.mercenarycoalition.com/ for contract quotes and more. |

Brisi
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Posted - 2006.01.21 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Eldo Davip Thread cleaned up. Please do no post inflammatory remarks.
Tivara if you are not an alt this is why people are laughing and making such remarks.
A Celestis cruiser is cheap around 3-4million, whereas a Naglfar is around 1.5-2 billion. They are of completely different classes and buying and operating a naglfar is hard. It will take a lot of time to effectively use a naglfar.
As a word of advice try buying a naglfar when you have crossed atleast 15mil skillpoints , this is my personal opinion. For now buy the Celestis.
Listen to this man. And for God's sake, STOP typing IN CAPS all the TIME. PLEAse.
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Ecnav
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Posted - 2006.01.22 00:27:00 -
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First off....
Originally by: Eldo Davip Thread cleaned up. Please do no post inflammatory remarks.

Secondly...
WHY do you TYPE like THIS????
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.01.22 00:30:00 -
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BECAUSE it GETS the POINT across much EASIER
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RedWyvern
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Posted - 2006.01.22 00:42:00 -
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lmao!
wait...(reads all posts)
is this intended as serious? 
I'm soo confused...@_@ -------------------------------------------------- Loyalty, Integrity, Honour. |

Dark Revenant
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Posted - 2006.01.22 00:53:00 -
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omg 
Artwork |

Other Minion
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Posted - 2006.01.22 00:55:00 -
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Whoa no, not like the nine to 5 job and 250 a week. More like being an average joe picking between a new family car and a Nimitz Class Aircraft Carrier. Diffrence of 40,000 usd and 8,500,000,000 usd. And the fact that you would have no idea how to operate a super carrier.
Oh dear god. If you are in less then a crusier right now it will take you a year to afford the dread, but it probably will take you the same ammount of time to train.
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Plim
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Posted - 2006.01.22 01:04:00 -
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lmao Nice fishing. -----------------
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Atma Darkwolf
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Posted - 2006.01.22 01:37:00 -
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A YEAR? thats it? LOL I have played close to 2 years.. and friend, I can't even afford the damn ship I am flying ;)
LOL best thread I have read in months.. thank you very much.
Please.. do this again..
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Ginaz
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Posted - 2006.01.22 02:03:00 -
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Priceless
So i have a smilar problem. i can fly ZEALOT ship but have Energy Turrets at 4. Hybrids at 5 with specs (both) at 4. Shall i go for advaned spaceship command 5 oder Astrology 5 now? - Blood-Squadron - the infamous griefer from the Jumpgate Universe reached Eve! Now we are cuddly, soon we are dreaded!
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.01.22 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ginaz Priceless
So i have a smilar problem. i can fly ZEALOT ship but have Energy Turrets at 4. Hybrids at 5 with specs (both) at 4. Shall i go for advaned spaceship command 5 oder Astrology 5 now?
Astrology!@!!! How else are we supposed to know when the HAC prices are going to come back down?
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Tivari
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Posted - 2006.01.22 02:33:00 -
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i have decided to PIRATE in a CELESTIS cruiser for a few weeks to secure ISK nessary for NAGLFAR CLASS DREADNOUGHT.
i have questions though before this GRAND journey begins.
can NAGLFAR CLASS DREADNOUGHT pirate well? if i fit WARP DISRUPTER i think it will be VERY GOOD
can i fit more than TWO mining lasers on the NAGLFAR?
ALSO
i think someone said that DREADNOUGHTS specifically NAGLFAR do very well in POS combat. can CELESTIS also engage in POS combat like NAGLFAR.
NO FLAMES PLEASE
IF THERE ARE FLAMES MODS PLEASE BAN THEM |

Vina
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Posted - 2006.01.22 02:36:00 -
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Quote: can i fit more than TWO mining lasers on the NAGLFAR?
Well, with the new MINING MISSILES coming out in the next patch, I think you will have a fine mining ship with that NAGLFAR CLASS DREADNAUGHT. -----------------------------------
btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai |

Tivari
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Posted - 2006.01.22 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Vina
Quote: can i fit more than TWO mining lasers on the NAGLFAR?
Well, with the new MINING MISSILES coming out in the next patch, I think you will have a fine mining ship with that NAGLFAR CLASS DREADNAUGHT.
how will mining missiles work? thanks i thought NAGLFAR would be good for mining. are there any CONS to this magneficent DREADNOUGHT or is it as good as everyone says it is. |

F'nog
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Posted - 2006.01.22 03:03:00 -
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OMG, this thread keeps getting better and better.
For the love of Zeus, PLEASE go back and read some of the things people have told you in this thread, because it's pretty obvious you have no idea what you're talking about, even if you've played "3 months."
Originally by: rowbin hod Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
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Judekka
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Posted - 2006.01.22 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tivari i have decided to PIRATE in a CELESTIS cruiser for a few weeks to secure ISK nessary for NAGLFAR CLASS DREADNOUGHT.
Your journal of pirating in a Celestis:
Day 1: Celestis gets blown up on it's first encounter (the NPC's actually get the killing blow because the player is just tanking and laughing in Local).
Day 2: Make a post on the forums asking "What's better for mining/pirating/attacking POS's the AMARR SHUTTLE or a LEVIATHAN?"
In all seriousness though, if you want an awesome ship (for mining, pirating, or attacking POS's), get an Iteron Mark II, it has 750 CPU, and that's 50 CPU more than a NAGLFAR, so it has to be better. |

Tivari
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Posted - 2006.01.22 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Judekka
Originally by: Tivari i have decided to PIRATE in a CELESTIS cruiser for a few weeks to secure ISK nessary for NAGLFAR CLASS DREADNOUGHT.
Your journal of pirating in a Celestis:
Day 1: Celestis gets blown up on it's first encounter (the NPC's actually get the killing blow because the player is just tanking and laughing in Local).
Day 2: Make a post on the forums asking "What's better for mining/pirating/attacking POS's the AMARR SHUTTLE or a LEVIATHAN?"
In all seriousness though, if you want an awesome ship (for mining, pirating, or attacking POS's), get an Iteron Mark II, it has 750 CPU, and that's 50 CPU more than a NAGLFAR, so it has to be better.
is an INDUSTRIAL CLASS STARSHIP that good for pvp. i did not realize the computational power of an ITERON MARK 2 was so powerful. if what you say is true i must reevaluate OPTIONS.
please elaborate FURTHER on the pvp abilities of ITERON MARK II. |

Van Halen
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Posted - 2006.01.22 03:54:00 -
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This is absolutley ridiculous.
2004.09.10 01:59:13 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Neutron Blaster I perfectly strikes Ater Draconis [MYT], wrecking for 361.2 damage. |

Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.01.22 03:57:00 -
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Edited by: Blind Man on 22/01/2006 04:00:26 Edited by: Blind Man on 22/01/2006 03:58:36
Originally by: Tivari
Originally by: Mr Floppyknickers Makingthe wild leap this is a legit question...
I would suggest training for the celestis (or a better ship like a BS) first. It'll be far easier to do and far less costly. Alot of the skills will cross over to dreadnaught usefullness, and by doing so it will give you a tool to use while you take the time to amass to coinsiderable fortune required to not only buy a Dreadnaught and the costly skills to fly it.
Thank you very MUCH for youre post. It was easy to understand and nicer than UNNESSARY FLAMES from other ppl.
I will go for CELESTIS and pirate for a few weeks for ISK i need for NAGLFAR. thank you again.
tell me the secret to buy a dread from piracy profit in a few weeks 
/best thread ever award.
The Iteron Mark II Class Starship is a newly designed fully combat loaded ship. Endless piracy capabilities, and you have such a large cargo for all the loot! its like a pirates dream!
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Tivari
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Posted - 2006.01.22 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man
Originally by: Tivari
Originally by: Mr Floppyknickers Makingthe wild leap this is a legit question...
I would suggest training for the celestis (or a better ship like a BS) first. It'll be far easier to do and far less costly. Alot of the skills will cross over to dreadnaught usefullness, and by doing so it will give you a tool to use while you take the time to amass to coinsiderable fortune required to not only buy a Dreadnaught and the costly skills to fly it.
Thank you very MUCH for youre post. It was easy to understand and nicer than UNNESSARY FLAMES from other ppl.
I will go for CELESTIS and pirate for a few weeks for ISK i need for NAGLFAR. thank you again.
tell me the secret to buy a dread from piracy profit in a few weeks 
if you KNEW how to play the game this would NOT be a QUESTION. |

Van Halen
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Posted - 2006.01.22 04:02:00 -
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Tivari, a dreadnought costs upwards of a couple BILLION isk. There is no way you can possibly get that much money in a few weeks of pirating, excluding absolutley ungodly good fortune. The point is, you're wasting your time posting on this thread until you actually learn more about the game.
Of course, the above is completely irrelevent if you're joking. I hope this is true.
2004.09.10 01:59:13 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Neutron Blaster I perfectly strikes Ater Draconis [MYT], wrecking for 361.2 damage. |

Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.01.22 04:02:00 -
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Edited by: Blind Man on 22/01/2006 04:02:07 yeah, I'm sorry. im only just over a year old and have not really learned the game much yet. i cant wait until i can fly a celestis. you are so lucky 
oh and can you tell me how much isk for NAGLFAR?
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.01.22 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Van Halen Tivari, a dreadnought costs upwards of a couple BILLION isk. There is no way you can possibly get that much money in a few weeks of pirating, excluding absolutley ungodly good fortune. The point is, you're wasting your time posting on this thread until you actually learn more about the game.
Of course, the above is completely irrelevent if you're joking. I hope this is true.
shh let him answer my question :)
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Kelgen Thann
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Posted - 2006.01.22 04:14:00 -
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A Noble Goal of gettinga Dreadnought. However, a Dreadnought cannot pirate well. It cannot use Jump gates at all, and can only use a Jump drive which needs another pilot able to open a cyrnosal field.
THe cost of skills needed for a Dreadnought is roughly 1 billion isk and a Dreadnought is 1.2 billion roughly. Mods cost an additional few hundred million isk.
Training time to go to a Minni Dreadnought from A Gal Cruiser with only Small weapon skills at the moment (you stated you had to train to use the cruiser) will take roughly 1 year with Implants, barring training time to advanced learning, and so using fairly close to starting attributes.
Total cost will be 3 billion+ to by all of the skills to move from Frigs to a Dreadnought and buying the ship. Training time of 1 year, maybe more dpeending on how many support skills you train to level 5, electronics, engeneering etc. Projectile turrets, Citadel Launchers etc.
So Basically with the intention to Pirate a Dreadnought is a bad choice to make, it is designed to fight Capital ships, and POS. It is not meant, nor able to kill Frigs, Cruisers, or even Battlehips (they can kill BS but it is like a Raven killing a Cruiser with torps)
Your Best bet, as you already said is to train to a cruiser, then you will have no choice but to train to a Battlehip as the skill and ability is a pre-Req to fly a Dread. Fly a Battleship and pirate in that for a while, as if a cruiser tried to kill me It woudl sorely lose unless it was part of a well-oiled group.
Additionally Dreads cannot enter secure space, as far as I know, they are still limited to un-secure space.
We have a handful of Dreads at our alliances use for defense. Trust me. I am talking from experience, and by talking to those that fly them when called upon. They are not Good pirate ships, Cost a fortune, and take at least a dozen of onths to train for ignorring all other skills not directly related to a Dreadnought. I've played the game for 3 years. So the information I'm giving you here is based on lots of experience.
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Crystal Knight
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Posted - 2006.01.22 04:23:00 -
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Cant people realize this is a joke thread ? 
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F'nog
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Posted - 2006.01.22 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Crystal Knight Cant people realize this is a joke thread ? 
But it's so much more fun to pretend it's serious.
Originally by: rowbin hod Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
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Sku1ly
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Posted - 2006.01.22 04:31:00 -
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I wonder how well a Dread would do gate camping in a 0.4.
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Vampire Blade
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Posted - 2006.01.22 04:36:00 -
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I understand the dilemma you've encountered. Back when I hit the 3 month mark I had questions for myself too. RAVEN or VELATOR? This riddle haunted me for many moons, I had heard wonderful tales surrounded both of these fine vessels. It took a while, but I trained for them both.
Personally, before RMR, I loved the structure tanked velator. It had an absolutely huge drone bay, there was no other ship you kill. But since the drone bay nerf, I've found myself flying the Raven a lot more.
I'm currently training for an Erebus. ----- ----- -----
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Kelgen Thann
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Posted - 2006.01.22 05:18:00 -
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Quote: Cant people realize this is a joke thread ?
Perhaps, But if it isn't, just trying to help.
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I'm RickJames
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Posted - 2006.01.22 06:22:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Tivari HELLO
I'm trying to decide on a goal for myself. I have decided to choose between NAGLFAR DREADNOUGHT or CELESTIS CRUISER. Please list pros and cons of both.
I also like mining and ELECTRONIC WARFARE if that helps at all. I hace MANY SKILLS and am a VERY GOOD PILOT (MANY SPS).
NO FLAMES PLEASE.
This is something hard to answer. Do you plan on doing level 1 or level 2 missions with either of the ships? The Nag. will move much slower and it will take longer to pick up all the loot cans.
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Aloysius Knight
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Posted - 2006.01.22 06:28:00 -
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Dear:
[x] Clueless Newbie [ ] Loser [ ] AOL-er [ ] 12 year old [x] Troll [ ] Pervert [ ] Geek [ ] Spammer [ ] Wannabe [ ] Asskisser [ ] l337 d00d [ ] Flamer [ ] Whiner [ ] Other:
You Are Being Flamed Because
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.01.22 09:02:00 -
[63]
Dear:
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[ ] You posted a .99999... = 1 thread [ ] You posted a Release Date thread [ ] You posted a Patch thread [ ] You posted a PC vs Mac thread [ ] You posted a System Specifications thread [ ] You posted a ( Insert Random RPG ) vs Diablo 2 thread [ ] You posted a StarCraft vs WarCraft 3 thread [ ] You posted a big slobbery kiss on Blizzard's Ass [ ] You posted a "Where is Starcraft 2" thread [ ] You posted a EVE vs WoW thread [ ] You posted a what does the chat gem do thread [x] You continued a long, stupid thread [x](??) You committed crimes against pork by-products [ ] You posted a "YOU ALL SUCK" message [ ] You posted a (insert name) ganked me. [ ] You posted an ( Insert Class ) is overpowered thread [ ] You haven't read the stickies [ ] You don't know which forum to post in [x] You just plain suck [ ] You posted false information [x] You posted something totally uninteresting [ ] You double posted [ ] YOU POSTED A MESSAGE ALL WRITTEN IN CAPS [ ] You posted racist crap [ ] I don't like your tone of voice [x] You are not civilized enough to post in these forums [ ] You whined and posted crap [ ] Yuo mispeled evry sengle wurd
In Punishment, You Must:
[ ] Give up your AOL Internet account [ ] STFU & GTFO [ ] Jump into a bathtub while holding your monitor [ ] Actually post something relevant [ ] Read the f****** FAQ [ ] Go to your room with no supper [ ] Apologize to everybody on this forum [x] Go stand in the middle of a Highway [ ] Recite the Greek alphabet backwards [ ] Take a bath in bleach [x] Drink out of a spittoon [ ] All of the above
In Closing, I'd Like to Say:
[ ] Blow me [ ] Get a life [x] Never post again [ ] I pity your dog [ ] Go to Hell [ ] Your IQ must be 7 [ ] Take your rejection somewhere else [ ] STFU & GTFO [ ] Learn to post [x] Go jump into some industrial equipment [ ] All of the above [ ] IBTL ============================================== What? It wasent copyrighted. :p  ---------------------------
Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote.. 
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Sky Hunter
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Posted - 2006.01.22 09:09:00 -
[64]
Signed 
ANd btw, yeah, Celestis can kill a POS...if POS got no guns and Celestis has a freighter with ammo supply  -=-
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Copine Callmeknau
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Posted - 2006.01.22 09:33:00 -
[65]
rofl my waffle
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With five million sheep in this army I seem to be the only one fit to command
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Stratosfear
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Posted - 2006.01.22 10:02:00 -
[66]
May I suggest a FREIGHTER instead of either of those two ships? Freighters are capital ships, like the DREAD, but to the best of my knowledge, they CAN use STARGATES.
And the money you can make with one, ungodly! Ask Synesthesia, Abak'tar, Lord Nemesis or Zhou Yu.
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Temerlyn
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Posted - 2006.01.22 10:39:00 -
[67]
DUDE are you even listening to anyone.
Celestis is a cruiser, you can fly one after playing the game for one day.
A naglifar is a dreadnaught you can fly one after playing the game for 1 year at a minimum
The skills required to fly a dread are 1 BILLION isk
your comparing an apple to ak47, 2 totally different things.
Secondly a dread naught Cannor use jump gates, it needs a buddy to create a jump to point or known as a cynsorial field. Extra large guns cant hit moving targets to well even in seige mode. A dred cant lock a ship fast enough before its warped. If you solo pirated in a dred it be the dumbest idea iove ever heard and i could see you loosing it within the first week of use.
3 months doesn't mean you know the game inside out and this post just proves it.
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Shadow Mancer
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Posted - 2006.01.22 11:07:00 -
[68]
guys who said a 3 months old can't buy a Dread? or fly one? don't forget Tivari can hope onto ebay and get a 30 mil character with about 1.5-2 bil isk in that character's wallet. I dun see any reasons you should doubt that and maybe that's exactly why Tivari is asking such a question.
Now Celestis is cool with 30 mil skillpoints u can pod anybody in celestis lol so pls dun buy Naglafar u'll just terrify everybody with your ship's ugly look. I've been kick outta action in gang while flying my tempest, so be careful with minmatar ships - u won't be popular at all. CEO and Founder of Warriors of Gods |

Shadow Mancer
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Posted - 2006.01.22 11:10:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Ginaz Priceless
So i have a smilar problem. i can fly ZEALOT ship but have Energy Turrets at 4. Hybrids at 5 with specs (both) at 4. Shall i go for advaned spaceship command 5 oder Astrology 5 now?
astrogeology 4TW...u can fit 4 mining upgrades and 3 CPU II on your zealots. I'd recommend Luminaire mining with the noobs it's fun CEO and Founder of Warriors of Gods |

High Sierra
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Posted - 2006.01.22 11:17:00 -
[70]
Train up to use snowballs.
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Black Serpent
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Posted - 2006.01.22 11:51:00 -
[71]
Actually you should go for Ragnarok
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Tivari
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Posted - 2006.01.22 14:46:00 -
[72]
CRUISER 4 finished last night i am well on my way to the NAGLFAR. i thought of one more question though... how LARGE can NAGLFAR CLASS DREADNOUGHTs cargo hold be with CARGO EXPANDERS for mining. |

Azuriel Talloth
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Posted - 2006.01.22 14:59:00 -
[73]
This thread is a work of genius 
Interdictors: Destroyer-class vessels, designed to pull other vessels out of warp. |

M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2006.01.22 15:04:00 -
[74]
You dont mine with a dreadnought... or rather there have been screenshots, but if your intending mining with a dreadnought... your nuts.
If you want to mine, train up mining barges, and Exhumers.
Naglfar's are fleet warfare ships it requires at least two players to transport it anywhere, can only fly in low sec space, and is intended to be a POS killer.
Celestis is a cruiser... its a single player type ship, it isnt intended to take on a POS (however you wouldnt do so even in a dread, unless with a fleet), it takes a few days/weeks to train for... is infinitely more useful than a naglfar for a single player.
You really are asking for the best thing to eat with: a spoon or a big stick.
You can beat someone repeatedly with a big stick and cause major damage, but trying to eat with it becomes a messy affair involving licking and slobbering.
You can eat with a spoon, but beating someone with it becomes pointless... your just going to annoy them to the extent they will turn around and eat your arm.
If you want to mine, get a Mining barge or exhumer. If you want to pirate, train up smaller combat ships, if you want to be part of a fleet and kick the crap out of stationary targets (pos for example) then get a dreadnought. ----- Memorable Quotes <Jarltan Dimtras> OH MY GOD MY GF IS A DUDE |

Dexter Rast
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Posted - 2006.01.22 15:05:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Tivari CRUISER 4 finished last night i am well on my way to the NAGLFAR. i thought of one more question though... how LARGE can NAGLFAR CLASS DREADNOUGHTs cargo hold be with CARGO EXPANDERS for mining.
dont bother buying a Naglfar Tivari, when titans are just round the corner --------------------------------------------- Please use a signature that conforms with the EVE-Online forum rules for signatures - Jacques' |

Flame Bait
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Posted - 2006.01.22 15:38:00 -
[76]
Buy a Naglfar, refine it and build several Celestis, just in case you lose a couple. This is definately the way to go. You should be able to build some spare weapons and mining lasers.
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Tivari
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Posted - 2006.01.22 15:45:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Dexter Rast
Originally by: Tivari CRUISER 4 finished last night i am well on my way to the NAGLFAR. i thought of one more question though... how LARGE can NAGLFAR CLASS DREADNOUGHTs cargo hold be with CARGO EXPANDERS for mining.
dont bother buying a Naglfar Tivari, when titans are just round the corner
sorry i have decided that NAGLFAR is the way to go based on GREAT REVEWS i have heard. |

Trelennen
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Posted - 2006.01.22 15:55:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Tivari
Originally by: Dexter Rast
Originally by: Tivari CRUISER 4 finished last night i am well on my way to the NAGLFAR. i thought of one more question though... how LARGE can NAGLFAR CLASS DREADNOUGHTs cargo hold be with CARGO EXPANDERS for mining.
dont bother buying a Naglfar Tivari, when titans are just round the corner
sorry i have decided that NAGLFAR is the way to go based on GREAT REVEWS i have heard.
Tell us in one year how well your Naglfar does  ===== !!! Fix SB - Love for AFs - Fix drones AI !!! |

ivar R'dhak
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Posted - 2006.01.22 15:55:00 -
[79]
I think everybody should have a Tivari incorp.
Tivari you ROCK! 
/me waves: Hi, mum I¦m in a cool thread! (sorry for this completely useless post, just couldn¦t resist)  _ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |

M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2006.01.22 16:05:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Tivari
Originally by: Dexter Rast
Originally by: Tivari CRUISER 4 finished last night i am well on my way to the NAGLFAR. i thought of one more question though... how LARGE can NAGLFAR CLASS DREADNOUGHTs cargo hold be with CARGO EXPANDERS for mining.
dont bother buying a Naglfar Tivari, when titans are just round the corner
sorry i have decided that NAGLFAR is the way to go based on GREAT REVEWS i have heard.
/me shakes head at the flamebaiter.
Tivari... you numpty.
(and yes.. that is all the flame I can be arsed to throw in your direction, alts posting as newbies for the lose. [it simply has to be, no single person could be this numpty-like by accident, they'd have died already from trying to decide how best to handle indigestion.. tablets or a shotgun.]) ----- Memorable Quotes <Jarltan Dimtras> OH MY GOD MY GF IS A DUDE |

fmercury
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Posted - 2006.01.22 16:05:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Azuriel Talloth This thread is a work of genius
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My grandfather
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Posted - 2006.01.22 16:07:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Tivari
Originally by: Dexter Rast
Originally by: Tivari CRUISER 4 finished last night i am well on my way to the NAGLFAR. i thought of one more question though... how LARGE can NAGLFAR CLASS DREADNOUGHTs cargo hold be with CARGO EXPANDERS for mining.
dont bother buying a Naglfar Tivari, when titans are just round the corner
sorry i have decided that NAGLFAR is the way to go based on GREAT REVEWS i have heard.
  
Tell us two things, if you have been playing 3 months: How much SP do you have? How much ISK do you have? And how much do you earn in one day? I'll calculate for you how long, in SP, ISK and time, it would take for you to buy and fly a naglfar.
This is going to be very very interesting.
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2006.01.22 16:31:00 -
[83]
This thread is HILARIOUS. 
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AirStar
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Posted - 2006.01.22 16:51:00 -
[84]
NAGLFAR is very good ship for MINING. big cargohold with CARGO EXPANDERS. 10250 CARGO and you can fit 6 EXPANDERS. over 30000 cargo with 6 EXPANDERS fitted. even more cargo with NAMED expanders
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Kharakan
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Posted - 2006.01.22 16:58:00 -
[85]
Hey, when you've got your naglfar, come pirate me! I'll be flying a punisher. That's a T1 frigate. Is that ok with you? 
Originally by: ParMizaN evry1ghasb a limiy...
...and ijust reached it ahaha...
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CelticKnight
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Posted - 2006.01.22 17:20:00 -
[86]
ZOMG! this is the BEST joke thread ive ever seen! (and ive been mucking around on forums for about 8yrs..) 
And please.. someone put this on omgrawr!
Originally by: Stealthy I am simply mortified Ginger Magician's alt is now advising folks in POS operations-is it the end of player piracy as we know it?

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Tivari
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Posted - 2006.01.22 17:24:00 -
[87]
Originally by: AirStar NAGLFAR is very good ship for MINING. big cargohold with CARGO EXPANDERS. 10250 CARGO and you can fit 6 EXPANDERS. over 30000 cargo with 6 EXPANDERS fitted. even more cargo with NAMED expanders
thank you for clarefication. so the only con of NAGLFAR is ugly and can not kill FRIGATES. i can live with these small setbacks.
i have begun MINIMATAR BATTLESHIP training so NAGLFAR is not far off 
to those who are FLAMING i have MANY SPS, probably more than YOU so LEAVE THIS THREAD.
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AstroPhobic
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Posted - 2006.01.22 17:28:00 -
[88]
/me Chuckles
Hey, Tivari, your caps lock seems... sticky. I recommend you not use it.
/me leaves a dictionary in thread with the page opened to thick-headed
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My grandfather
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Posted - 2006.01.22 17:30:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Tivari
Originally by: AirStar NAGLFAR is very good ship for MINING. big cargohold with CARGO EXPANDERS. 10250 CARGO and you can fit 6 EXPANDERS. over 30000 cargo with 6 EXPANDERS fitted. even more cargo with NAMED expanders
thank you for clarefication. so the only con of NAGLFAR is ugly and can not kill FRIGATES. i can live with these small setbacks.
i have begun MINIMATAR BATTLESHIP training so NAGLFAR is not far off 
to those who are FLAMING i have MANY SPS, probably more than YOU so LEAVE THIS THREAD.
MODS PLEASE REMOVE UNESSERY FLAMES
Seriously now, tell us HOW much SP you have. And also how much ISK. We can recommend a ship much better if you tell us a few of those basic facts. As a trade, I'll tell you the same about me. I'm about 4 and a half months in game, so we can compare.
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Kharakan
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Posted - 2006.01.22 17:37:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Tivari
Originally by: AirStar NAGLFAR is very good ship for MINING. big cargohold with CARGO EXPANDERS. 10250 CARGO and you can fit 6 EXPANDERS. over 30000 cargo with 6 EXPANDERS fitted. even more cargo with NAMED expanders
thank you for clarefication. so the only con of NAGLFAR is ugly and can not kill FRIGATES. i can live with these small setbacks.
i have begun MINIMATAR BATTLESHIP training so NAGLFAR is not far off 
to those who are FLAMING i have MANY SPS, probably more than YOU so LEAVE THIS THREAD.
MODS PLEASE REMOVE UNESSERY FLAMES
Would you please say exactly how many SPs? Such claims require proof ;)
Originally by: ParMizaN evry1ghasb a limiy...
...and ijust reached it ahaha...
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Trelennen
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Posted - 2006.01.22 17:39:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Trelennen on 22/01/2006 17:42:18
Originally by: Tivari
Originally by: AirStar NAGLFAR is very good ship for MINING. big cargohold with CARGO EXPANDERS. 10250 CARGO and you can fit 6 EXPANDERS. over 30000 cargo with 6 EXPANDERS fitted. even more cargo with NAMED expanders
thank you for clarefication. so the only con of NAGLFAR is ugly and can not kill FRIGATES. i can live with these small setbacks.
i have begun MINIMATAR BATTLESHIP training so NAGLFAR is not far off 
to those who are FLAMING i have MANY SPS, probably more than YOU so LEAVE THIS THREAD.
MODS PLEASE REMOVE UNESSERY FLAMES
Well, if you're really 3 months old (as you said yourself on the first page), you prolly won't have that many SPs (except if you bought a high SP char on ebay, or on the forum after having bought ISKs on ebay)... And if you had that many SP (prolly more than all of us in this thread as you claimed), you wouldn't ask that question, and would know what a dreadnought is good for as you'd have played for nearly 2 years, and would have had a great experience of the game, which obviously you don't have at all.
Anyway, now you only need to get Minmatar BS V, Spaceship Command V, Advanced Spaceship Command V, Capital Ships I, Minmatar Dreadnought I, Science V, Warp Drive Operation V, Navigation V, Jump Drive Operation I, and a buddy able to use cynosural fields to let you jump around. Not to mention the crap load of ISKs.
Be sure to mine with it, and make FRAPS of it, so that every EVE player and his mummy can have a good laugh  ===== !!! Fix SB - Love for AFs - Fix drones AI !!! |

James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.01.22 17:43:00 -
[92]
Naglfars suck, you want a Chimera. They have a lot of piracy power, with a really good tank and lots of mid slots for jammers. And fighters too. -- We are recruiting
Carriers on sale |
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Kaemonn

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Posted - 2006.01.22 21:00:00 -
[93]
Yeah ok.... Thats enough.
*click*
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Nethel
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Posted - 2006.01.22 21:00:00 -
[94]
I hope you have SAVED up MANY ISK to buy your IBIS.
Truely I tell you, the IBIS will PIRATE much better than the NAGLFAR. With the IBIS you can actually kill frigates MUCH EASIER than the DREADNOUGHT. I have PIRATED for the past 8 MONTHS and can tell you you WILL ENCOUNTER many more FRIGATES than BATTLESHIPS or CAPITAL SHIPS in your travels.
The IBIS is CHEAPER, BETTER LOOKING, and can KILL your newbie TARGETS with AMAZING EASE.
------ Black Storm Clan - It's safer here
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