I just read something that basically sums up why I dont log in unless 'something' is happening. What that something is doesnt matter.

I keep my training going on 2 characters, one is a subcap pvp guy and the other is a capital pilot (carriers and dreads.) But I play other games, currently Final Fantasy XIV until something happens in 0.0

I feel like its up to us, the players to make these things happen and right now there is very little incentive for conflict as this article states. Certainly not gonna login for PVE. Am I the only one who does this?

But why would I? There are no stakes, nothing of value to conquer or own. Player vs. AI is boring to me. As I stated in this thread here, something needs to change and the course of development cycles doesnt make it seem likely.

Highsec gets stuff, Wormholes get stuff, ships get rebalanced but the biggest conflict driver in EVE history gets ignored

No its more like CCP doesnt provide ways and reasons for players to create content.

Who is going to conquer these 272 systems and why would they?

Or these 171 systems?

Or these 88 systems?

The state of content generation currently is waiting for entropy, that means- waiting for people/organizations to go through attrition 'people quitting/going afk/inactive' like me.

No. I login to help make something happen. Not wait for it to happen to me.

Which btw... you could easily do as one of your pilots flies a cap... if you logged in to do so.

Sounds like you have a chicken before the egg kind of problem.

Goons are clearly a victim of thier own sucess. I hope you guys all mass quit.

I just read something that basically sums up why I dont log in unless 'something' is happening. What that something is doesnt matter.

I keep my training going on 2 characters, one is a subcap pvp guy and the other is a capital pilot (carriers and dreads.) But I play other games, currently Final Fantasy XIV until something happens in 0.0

I feel like its up to us, the players to make these things happen and right now there is very little incentive for conflict as this article states. Certainly not gonna login for PVE. Am I the only one who does this?

You could always log in and make "something" happen.

What about the other half? Who are the victims over there and whose success is it? The whole other half of the galaxy is controlled by a group of people who all have blue standings with one another. That means they wont shoot each other and wont touch each others structures or sovereingty.

Why would people choose to limit targets like this? And what could get them shooting each other??

Don't ask me. Goons and russians are the ones who needed to blue 1/2 the freakin galaxy each. Each of them has so much space and Sov grinding is so boring both sides won't do it. They made this lame Bored War with thier Mutual Assured Boredom they can have it. The fun is in the 3rd world ungoverned wormholes.

Wait .. Eve is an actual game???


I thought it was only forums where ppl talk about space things

1. I feel like its up to us, the players to make these things happen

2. I keep my training going on 2 characters, (blah blah blah) But I play other games, currently Final Fantasy XIV until something happens in 0.0

Actually I have done small gang roaming, solo bubble camping, blops drops, hotdrops, medium gang roaming and big blob F1. All of these require effort in actually finding a fight/victim and can take upwards of 2-3 hours to even find a single hostile that isnt a renter.

I wonder if this is something that can be fixed with game mechanics or if this is how the mechanics of empires rising in general (even outside of eve) works. If it's the later, then there is probably nothing CCP can do and the next phase is the stagnation of the current empires until they are so weakened that new powers will take over because they will still have that incentive to rise to power and greatness.

But what do I know, I'm just a sad wormhole dweller who is excited every day what new dump or frightening neighbors the wormhole gods may connect me with. It does not make the news, but at least it's fun.

Sov timer mechanics are the reason null is so carebear and people are choosing to pay spacehilding overlords rather than fight for space. One of most fail conquest systems of any game I played. If you try to take space forcefully from someone bigger you get to kill 75% of its shields at which time it becomes invulnerable and then you must turn up the next day so they can wipe the floor with you.

So what do you suggest.. no timers?

Like having no timers would make things better would it.

If anything having no timers would makes thing incredibly worse.

Just imagine how much space somebody like the CFC or NC.dot would be able to take without any timers?

Its great being able to say something sucks without giving some kind of alternative.

No expert on EvE here, as I JUST started and moved to Low. But maybe this would help?

Art of War has an interesting chapter on deceit and ruses. Perhaps an agressing alliance could attack multiple structures at different ends of (as well as sectors inside of) the Sovereign territory, forcing the defender to divide his attention and resources. Then you could slowly chip away as he is scurrying to-and-fro, until his turf is small enough to confront outright.

Invasions 101?

Perhaps you could reduce the timer instead of getting rid of it. Half it, or reduce it to somewhere between 2-6 hours? Just for a little experimentation, and to see how things go? It would definitely aid the aforementioned strategy.

Art of War has an interesting chapter on deceit and ruses. Perhaps an agressing alliance could attack multiple structures at different ends of (as well as sectors inside of) the Sovereign territory, forcing the defender to divide his attention and resources. Then you could slowly chip away as he is scurrying to-and-fro, until his turf is small enough to confront outright.

Invasions 101?

I'm pointing out the problem not offering a solution. Thats the devs job.

One thing that would help is no more automated mails sounding the alarm when something is under attack. Would give the option of sneaking systems and make it more difficult to hold enormous areas for the sake of preventing others from using.

If you don't see it under attack well you should probably be paying more attention to your territory.

Lol.. you must realise you have just offered a possible solution to the problem :)

Personally I like the idea. I would like to see all warning mails removed, as you say, if you put up a structure then its your responsibility keep an eye on it.

I recall a time when most of the Alliances (other than the really big ones like BoB and ASCN) I came across controlled a constellation or two at most.

I recall a time when "Alliance income" was just about enough to keep the POSs fuelled around our first station and everything else was paid for by Alliance members.

It seems so primative, so 'back-woods' looking back now... the idea that you could travel eight jumps from home (ten depending on which system you called home (IIRC)) and "Let's head to [CHIMP] space, they're always up for a fight..."

regularly have medium scale engagements in which almost everyone was drunk and almost everyone had fun.