I just read something that basically sums up why I dont log in unless 'something' is happening. What that something is doesnt matter.

I keep my training going on 2 characters, one is a subcap pvp guy and the other is a capital pilot (carriers and dreads.) But I play other games, currently Final Fantasy XIV until something happens in 0.0

I feel like its up to us, the players to make these things happen and right now there is very little incentive for conflict as this article states. Certainly not gonna login for PVE. Am I the only one who does this?

You could always log in and make "something" happen.

You could always log in and make "something" happen.

But why would I? There are no stakes, nothing of value to conquer or own. Player vs. AI is boring to me. As I stated in this thread here, something needs to change and the course of development cycles doesnt make it seem likely.

Highsec gets stuff, Wormholes get stuff, ships get rebalanced but the biggest conflict driver in EVE history gets ignored

Why do i get the impression your just a blob press F1 follower ?

one more "i don't log in because CCP does not provide CONTENT in this sandbox multiplayer game"!

btw: your stuff?

Wait, if 0.0 is getting safe, how are they stealing your alliance income?

Ok siphons arent ever gonna be a thing. Ratters and botters wont use mobile jammers to protect their ratting carriers and ninja plexers/scanners/explorers wont use yurts and/or jammers to carry out their activities more safely.

0.0 is thriving and vibrant with new blood and fresh alliances being introduced everyday and ripe with conflict and pvp? Half of it isnt actually rented out, supercaps and their proliferation isnt a problem and sovereignty is fine? Check.

It seems while decrying nothing to do, you also don't want to have to put any effort into checking on your POS, or scanning down your own systems, or roaming around to secure it. It's much easier to complain on the forums about nothing to do, than log in and take the initiative to do it

All of these require effort in actually finding a fight/victim and can take upwards of 2-3 hours to even find a single hostile that isnt a renter.

No its more like CCP doesnt provide ways and reasons for players to create content.

As far as initiative goes: entire swathes of space are conquered and then rented (they have no value except mindless PVE) out while their masters go afk and unsub, how can this possibly be good game design?

I just read something that basically sums up why I dont log in unless 'something' is happening. What that something is doesnt matter.

I keep my training going on 2 characters, one is a subcap pvp guy and the other is a capital pilot (carriers and dreads.) But I play other games, currently Final Fantasy XIV until something happens in 0.0

I feel like its up to us, the players to make these things happen and right now there is very little incentive for conflict as this article states. Certainly not gonna login for PVE. Am I the only one who does this?

So you are saying nothing happens in EVE unless you log in?.......lol.......O.K

I just read something that basically sums up why I dont log in unless 'something' is happening. What that something is doesnt matter.

I keep my training going on 2 characters, one is a subcap pvp guy and the other is a capital pilot (carriers and dreads.) But I play other games, currently Final Fantasy XIV until something happens in 0.0

I feel like its up to us, the players to make these things happen and right now there is very little incentive for conflict as this article states. Certainly not gonna login for PVE. Am I the only one who does this?

Telling you to post with your main would be random trolling, poking holes in your arguments is not.

Sounds more like an alliance-related issue of having too many blues.

I just read something that basically sums up why I dont log in unless 'something' is happening. What that something is doesnt matter.

I keep my training going on 2 characters, one is a subcap pvp guy and the other is a capital pilot (carriers and dreads.) But I play other games, currently Final Fantasy XIV until something happens in 0.0

I feel like its up to us, the players to make these things happen and right now there is very little incentive for conflict as this article states. Certainly not gonna login for PVE. Am I the only one who does this?

.. the next phase is the stagnation of the current empires until they are so weakened that new powers will take over because they will still have that incentive to rise to power and greatness.

I just read something that basically sums up why I dont log in unless 'something' is happening. What that something is doesnt matter.

I keep my training going on 2 characters, one is a subcap pvp guy and the other is a capital pilot (carriers and dreads.) But I play other games, currently Final Fantasy XIV until something happens in 0.0

I feel like its up to us, the players to make these things happen and right now there is very little incentive for conflict as this article states. Certainly not gonna login for PVE. Am I the only one who does this?

But why would I? There are no stakes, nothing of value to conquer or own. Player vs. AI is boring to me. As I stated in this thread here, something needs to change and the course of development cycles doesnt make it seem likely.

Highsec gets stuff, Wormholes get stuff, ships get rebalanced but the biggest conflict driver in EVE history gets ignored

No its more like CCP doesnt provide ways and reasons for players to create content.

Who is going to conquer these 272 systems and why would they?

Or these 171 systems?

Or these 88 systems?

The state of content generation currently is waiting for entropy, that means- waiting for people/organizations to go through attrition 'people quitting/going afk/inactive' like me.

No. I login to help make something happen. Not wait for it to happen to me.

Which btw... you could easily do as one of your pilots flies a cap... if you logged in to do so.

Sounds like you have a chicken before the egg kind of problem.

Goons are clearly a victim of thier own sucess. I hope you guys all mass quit.

I just read something that basically sums up why I dont log in unless 'something' is happening. What that something is doesnt matter.

I keep my training going on 2 characters, one is a subcap pvp guy and the other is a capital pilot (carriers and dreads.) But I play other games, currently Final Fantasy XIV until something happens in 0.0

I feel like its up to us, the players to make these things happen and right now there is very little incentive for conflict as this article states. Certainly not gonna login for PVE. Am I the only one who does this?

You could always log in and make "something" happen.

What about the other half? Who are the victims over there and whose success is it? The whole other half of the galaxy is controlled by a group of people who all have blue standings with one another. That means they wont shoot each other and wont touch each others structures or sovereingty.

Why would people choose to limit targets like this? And what could get them shooting each other??

Don't ask me. Goons and russians are the ones who needed to blue 1/2 the freakin galaxy each. Each of them has so much space and Sov grinding is so boring both sides won't do it. They made this lame Bored War with thier Mutual Assured Boredom they can have it. The fun is in the 3rd world ungoverned wormholes.

Wait .. Eve is an actual game???


I thought it was only forums where ppl talk about space things

1. I feel like its up to us, the players to make these things happen

2. I keep my training going on 2 characters, (blah blah blah) But I play other games, currently Final Fantasy XIV until something happens in 0.0

Actually I have done small gang roaming, solo bubble camping, blops drops, hotdrops, medium gang roaming and big blob F1. All of these require effort in actually finding a fight/victim and can take upwards of 2-3 hours to even find a single hostile that isnt a renter.

I wonder if this is something that can be fixed with game mechanics or if this is how the mechanics of empires rising in general (even outside of eve) works. If it's the later, then there is probably nothing CCP can do and the next phase is the stagnation of the current empires until they are so weakened that new powers will take over because they will still have that incentive to rise to power and greatness.

But what do I know, I'm just a sad wormhole dweller who is excited every day what new dump or frightening neighbors the wormhole gods may connect me with. It does not make the news, but at least it's fun.

Sov timer mechanics are the reason null is so carebear and people are choosing to pay spacehilding overlords rather than fight for space. One of most fail conquest systems of any game I played. If you try to take space forcefully from someone bigger you get to kill 75% of its shields at which time it becomes invulnerable and then you must turn up the next day so they can wipe the floor with you.

So what do you suggest.. no timers?

Like having no timers would make things better would it.

If anything having no timers would makes thing incredibly worse.

Just imagine how much space somebody like the CFC or NC.dot would be able to take without any timers?

Its great being able to say something sucks without giving some kind of alternative.

No expert on EvE here, as I JUST started and moved to Low. But maybe this would help?

Art of War has an interesting chapter on deceit and ruses. Perhaps an agressing alliance could attack multiple structures at different ends of (as well as sectors inside of) the Sovereign territory, forcing the defender to divide his attention and resources. Then you could slowly chip away as he is scurrying to-and-fro, until his turf is small enough to confront outright.

Invasions 101?

Perhaps you could reduce the timer instead of getting rid of it. Half it, or reduce it to somewhere between 2-6 hours? Just for a little experimentation, and to see how things go? It would definitely aid the aforementioned strategy.

Art of War has an interesting chapter on deceit and ruses. Perhaps an agressing alliance could attack multiple structures at different ends of (as well as sectors inside of) the Sovereign territory, forcing the defender to divide his attention and resources. Then you could slowly chip away as he is scurrying to-and-fro, until his turf is small enough to confront outright.

Invasions 101?

I'm pointing out the problem not offering a solution. Thats the devs job.

One thing that would help is no more automated mails sounding the alarm when something is under attack. Would give the option of sneaking systems and make it more difficult to hold enormous areas for the sake of preventing others from using.

If you don't see it under attack well you should probably be paying more attention to your territory.

Lol.. you must realise you have just offered a possible solution to the problem :)

Personally I like the idea. I would like to see all warning mails removed, as you say, if you put up a structure then its your responsibility keep an eye on it.

I recall a time when most of the Alliances (other than the really big ones like BoB and ASCN) I came across controlled a constellation or two at most.

I recall a time when "Alliance income" was just about enough to keep the POSs fuelled around our first station and everything else was paid for by Alliance members.

It seems so primative, so 'back-woods' looking back now... the idea that you could travel eight jumps from home (ten depending on which system you called home (IIRC)) and "Let's head to [CHIMP] space, they're always up for a fight..."

regularly have medium scale engagements in which almost everyone was drunk and almost everyone had fun.

one more "i don't log in because CCP does not provide CONTENT in this sandbox multiplayer game"!

btw: your stuff?

There's one issue here. Lets say you have a 5000 man alliance and they want to take some space from CFC. CFC has something like 24k. Your 5,000 man alliance attacks 4 points, goons attack 20... you might take one, CFC will take 5. Or they'll just squish you at your 4 points.

[quote=Decian Cor]Art of War doesn't support attacking bigger forces with smaller.

I'm not complaining.

I'm trying to have a general discussion about the state of the game. I stated my opinion and others put theirs forth. Its called a discussion.

No you aren't. If you were you would put forth at least one idea for change. All you have done is complain about what's wrong.

So I havent really seen any responses where 0.0 sov guys are happy with the state of things except for the one Fcon guy, is anyone else thoroughly pleased by useless space/regions and very little incentives to go to war?

No this is just a symptom of highsec still remaining ~too good~ compared to other areas and receiving too much focus.

and we back to "i don't log in because CCP does not provide CONTENT in this sandbox multiplayer game"!

One idea for change is increased value from holding regions. Right now the only value is in renting them out on a grand scale. Concentrating value in smaller areas creates conflict as well like Technetium did.

So making current powerblocs more rich will solve the issue?

So I'm imagining things, that article is waay off and making 0.0 safer with yurts and mobile cyno jammers and letting people steal your already terrible alliance income is a good thing? Who makes these development decisions??

Sure plenty of people roam and have goodfights all day long, the content I'm talking about is the moving and shaking in the article. More opinions please.

You could always log in and make "something" happen.

There's one issue here. Lets say you have a 5000 man alliance and they want to take some space from CFC. CFC has something like 24k. Your 5,000 man alliance attacks 4 points, goons attack 20... you might take one, CFC will take 5. Or they'll just squish you at your 4 points.

Yet more shilling of mitten's ad farm.

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There is no possible sov system that will let a small alliance successfully fight alone vs a large, well run alliance.

Everytime I login I run across awesome content being created. Just in the last 2 days since coming back from a vacation, I have facilitated 2 amazing bonus rounds where lucky clients put it all on the line to win big. For those that were not there, at least one of those may be posted on www.minerbumping.com within the next few days.

When I'm not doubling isk, you can find me undocked ganking illegal miners or wandering through nullsec in one of my trusty 100m+ bombers.

When not in space shooting at things or docked doubling isk, you can often find me donating isk and giving guidance to brand new players.

If things are so boring for you, I have an idea. Start up another account if you don't have one already and go infiltrate one of your main alliance's enemies. Relieve them of assets and ships in space. I hear Northern Associates renter corps are always recruiting.

Have fun!

I feel like its up to us, the players to make these things happen and right now there is very little incentive for conflict as this article states. Certainly not gonna login for PVE. Am I the only one who does this?