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Agent Kenshin
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Posted - 2006.01.27 00:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
What's the deal with so many people talking about how a game that needs a mouse wouldn't work on the xbox 360? You do realize alot of people emulate and play games on the orginal xbox that needed a mouse, and they use the joysticks just fine?
Also, there are USB plugs in the 360 yes? They can make a keyboard/mouse 'optional' just like it is for ff11 on ps2. Ofcourse nobody tries to 'type' with the controller, they get a keyboard.
Hehe yea how do you plan to say anything to anyone in teh chats if you can only type your commands out buy going through a generated keyboard ingame...
As it stands now CCP is never gonna port the game to any console or any other OS. So live with it. Personally i dont care how powerful the X360s are they are just over glorified PCs. First if CCP ports it how are we gonna handle the lag from all those new people in the game if were barely able to do it now? The new 64-Bit servers are gonna go a long way in helping this. Secondly until i can surf the net and the forums while playing EVE im never gonna play it on the 360. EVE is not fast paced all the time and sitting there mining on the 360 is not gonna be peoples ideas of FUN... A lot of EVE is outside the actual client. Forums, Jump range planner tools, mining spreadsheets, production spreadsheets, TS, and a variety of other things.
The game is growing and its doing it nicely were getting members who watn to play EVE the way the CCP designed and invisioned it. I dont want anyone who can go out and buy a console to pick up the game and play it and bring a world of stupidity into this game. Making a seperate console FPS/RPG style game based on EVE would be cool but not making EVE on a console. (Hell make that on the planets and find a way to link the 2 by giving corps the options to give missions on the console game. Or maybe not.) Eve just isnt fast paced enough for some. That face paced action only appears during PvP combat.
Originally by: MAXSuicide
only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'
ehehehh....
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2006.01.27 00:39:00 -
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Anyone else amazed by the apperance of Mitochrondria and Sanguinous Rex who both whole heartly agree with Rells, and who are both like 1 day old alts. And both posted at pretty much the same timeframe. While no one else at all has agree'd?
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Chain Gang
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Posted - 2006.01.27 01:16:00 -
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Trust me ...... they have demo'd a full blown copy of XP on the Xbox 360 ........ its just a matter of time tbh .....
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Mitochrondria
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Posted - 2006.01.27 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Justus Imperius
Anyone else amazed by the apperance of Mitochrondria and Sanguinous Rex who both whole heartly agree with Rells, and who are both like 1 day old alts. And both posted at pretty much the same timeframe. While no one else at all has agree'd?
I'm someone different than Rells. I am new to Eve and browse through the forums to learn more about the game and how to play it. The last time I checked there was nothing wrong with posting my opinion. Do you own an Xbox 360? I do! What is wrong with wanting to expand the Eve universe to other pps?
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PASTOR TROY
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Posted - 2006.01.27 03:09:00 -
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Everyone know the playstation 3 is gonna be better.. why waste money on a system thats gonna be dead in 2 years?
/douses self with water, breaks out the hot dogs on a stick.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.27 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mitochrondria
Originally by: Justus Imperius
Anyone else amazed by the apperance of Mitochrondria and Sanguinous Rex who both whole heartly agree with Rells, and who are both like 1 day old alts. And both posted at pretty much the same timeframe. While no one else at all has agree'd?
I'm someone different than Rells. I am new to Eve and browse through the forums to learn more about the game and how to play it. The last time I checked there was nothing wrong with posting my opinion. Do you own an Xbox 360? I do! What is wrong with wanting to expand the Eve universe to other pps?
I don't believe you. Period. No matter what, I and quite a few others will now consider you Rell's alt. Shrug.
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Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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Agent Kenshin
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Posted - 2006.01.27 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: PASTOR TROY
Everyone know the playstation 3 is gonna be better.. why waste money on a system thats gonna be dead in 2 years?
/douses self with water, breaks out the hot dogs on a stick.
It doesnt matter what system you buy there will be something new out in 2 years that will pwn both of these. 
Originally by: MAXSuicide
only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'
ehehehh....
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Fallout2man
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Posted - 2006.01.27 03:36:00 -
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Eve on a console would require re-architecting the entire game. Consoles simply do not work well for point and click games and until Infinitum's keyboard/mouse pad is released there won't be a suitable way to use a keyboard and mouse interface with consoles. Eve would have to become real-time controlled like a space sim to support consoles, the UI would need an overhaul on both ends, etc.
Then of course the influx of players would have to be dealt with, which means it'd not be pheasable until after CCP fully deploys their new hardware and re-optimizes their code for the new setup.
Now, the VOIP in game would be nice, personally however I think that really shouldn't be implimented without actually truly redoing communications (Each ship has short, medium and long range coms in both standard and encrypted formats that can be jammed/traced/hacked into for evesdropping) to represent that in game.
Then there's the fact that microsoft will probably charge fees on top of what CCP charges. All in all the fact is this game needs too much done to it as-is before you could even think about allowing a new massive player base to enter. Like we'd need to finally find a way to remove perpetual pvp immunity of always being in a n00b corp.
It's just not practical, maybe in the future, but not right now, it'd only further amplify the severity of parts of the game that are broken now.
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croxis
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Posted - 2006.01.27 03:58:00 -
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I just can't see a market for the game on 360 or others for that matter.
1) Show me stats on the number of 360 owners with HDTV as the UI would need to be revamped for a standards TV resolution.
2) Show me the number of 360 owners useing the online feature
3) Show me the number of 360 owners that don't have a computer where they can install EVE (including lack of internet)
4) Show me the number of 360 owners that do have computer/net access to play Eve
5) Show me the number of 360 owners who are interested in an EVE style game that don't play EVE on the PC (market survey)
6) How many man hours (and wage) would be needed to conduct the port compared to expected revinues from the peramiters above.
My guesses is that it would be in CCP best $$$ interest to further market the game on the PC as the number of world wide 360s is limited compared to net connected PCs. Remember the 360 did not do well in Japan and I am unsure how well it is selling in Europe.
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Ja'kar
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Posted - 2006.01.27 05:43:00 -
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I would normally have said NO! to this idea- but well why not if they could get it to work and not lag us all out, then would it not be better for us all to have new people in eve- erm do u think some of u r being a bit snobby about Xbox and the like and 4 the record I have a ps2 and love it 4 simple fighting games, with m8's and beers-
4 whatÆs its worth I agree with him and I am not alt-
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Moominer
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Posted - 2006.01.27 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Yes, I am a game developer. Windows game to XBox is a rateher minor thing.
Erm, No. PC -> Xbox was relitivly simple. PC -> Xbox 360 is not as simple, by no means. If you truely are a developer worth his salt you would know this.
From official microsoft documents, some things that may need addressing:
- Multithread your game engine...uses one thread for world updates and another thread for graphics processing. An additional CPU core can be used for audio, decompression, geometry generation or other game tasks.
- Ensure your game memory footprint fits within 512 MB
- Avoid walking linked-lists or any other data structure that has nodes spread across memory
- Prefer UDP as the network protocol for most games.
- Plan for voice chat within your game
- Update your content pipeline to support big-endian hardware. Intel-based PCs are little-endian, while Xbox 360 is big-endian.
- Design for the ten-foot experience. Use fonts that are readable on televisions (they are barely readable on a monitor, ffs)
- Avoid using the fixed-function pipeline. It is not supported
Note the last one requires a non-trivial change to EVEs graphics engine before it can even be deplyed on 360. EVE effects are achieved using the FFP.
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*snip* By testing it on an XBox360 they have tested in on all of them.
My point was they are struggling with QA on a single platform and a single code base - let alone adding another factor into the QA equation.
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Not substantial. Minor compared to the revenue stream generated...Code base wise we are looking at retooling of probably less than 5% of the total code base. Id bid 12 programmer months if we were bidding this project.
5% change to codebase? 12 person months to port EVE to 360? Let me get this right, FFXI was announced May 2005 for 360 deployment. FFXI is more of a console friendly game compared to EVE, and yet the *beta* only just began this month on 360. 8 months? You think 1 1/2 people can port EVE to 360 in 8 months?
a) Hiring experienced 360 developers/lead for the project to port EVE over to 360 - and to upgrade the engine.
b) 6 million potential market? It would at least require one further cluster, possibly up to 3 if even 5% of those 6mil subscribed. You do the math on how much the clusters cost.
c) Increased outsourcing costs for the already overstretched GM team, starting with one more cluster, possibly up to three or more further clusters that is at least a doubling if not a tripling of the support team.
To name but three costs...
This, for a relitivly small independant development house that may not even want to be massivly increasing their workforce. You do realise how dangerous expanding your workforce by 30+% can be for a small company?
All of the above points are moving EVE in a direction that is not forward (i.e. in new content/feature terms) but just porting what's already there.
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Just as a side question why are you commenting on costs if you clearly dont know what would be involved in the port? Isnt that a little bit like a fireman lecturing his doctor about how to do an operation? Seems a bit silly to me.
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The reality is that if you toss out the nasty, biased comments in this thread that cast a disreputable light on the eve community, .... You put this game on the 360 and you are talking LOTS of new accounts. Thousands of them. THAT is a good reason.
Sorry. You decree on this forum (rudely I might add) that you are right and everybody else is wrong, emotionalistic, and flaming. Yet you feel the urge to flame anyone who has a different opinion to you - making out you are above everyone, when in reality on these forums you are no better than anyone else, game developer or not.
You have some valid points which have already been acknowledged, EVE on a mainstream console platform would make a lot of money, just other people have differing opinions on how much effort and capital would be required to port EVE
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.01.28 04:51:00 -
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Why do people insist on this preposterous attitude that more customers for CCP is bad? CCP is a business, not a charity.
-- Rells
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Elenath
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Posted - 2006.01.28 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tovarishch
Edited by: Tovarishch on 26/01/2006 22:19:29
Originally by: Rells
The reality is that if you toss out the nasty, biased comments in this thread that cast a disreputable light on the eve community, there is no reason for them to not do it.
Allow me to quote one of your many tidbits of wisdom in this thread that fit your above qualification -
Originally by: Rells
There has been people statiting idiotic things such as that people that p[lay a 500 dollar computing system are all kids.
Originally by: Rells
But then you are welcome to live in your little biased, emotional, irrational world if you choose.
You later state one sentence later (with delicious irony) -
Originally by: Rells
Lets face it, the sniping, emotionalism and bias in this forum is not exactly the paragon of maturity.
And a few posts later -
Originally by: Rells
Other comments have just been flames and silly comments that make false stereotypes and emotionalistic statements.
Your amazing display of total disregard for your own criticism is not only incredible... but it makes you look argumentative and childish. You continue to be insulting to some of the few people in this thread that are attempting to have a dialectic with you... even after stating that those who do so ruin these forums.
You don't want a discussion... you want people to simply agree with you. Since that is your goal you should take to heart the old adage that, 'You can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar.'
Drop the vitriol, grow up... and THEN post with an open mind.
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Fallout2man
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Posted - 2006.01.28 05:25:00 -
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Edited by: Fallout2man on 28/01/2006 05:25:44
Originally by: Rells
Why do people insist on this preposterous attitude that more customers for CCP is bad? CCP is a business, not a charity.
More customers are not bad, but having too big an influx without being properly prepared CAN be disasterous, look at WoW's launch as a key example. They just weren't prepared for the level of growth they saw and ended up paying for that for a while. CCP has to have the infra-structure in place to support that growth before it can happen, otherwise that growth could hurt eve like it hurt WoW at first.
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