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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
2554
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Posted - 2014.01.02 17:33:00 -
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You're stating equivalences that are only equivalent if in-game currency could freely be converted back to RL money.
Given that they cannot, unless you violate the EULA and ToS, this is a lot of work for very little return. You can't, for instance, meta-game with this and break the market by manipulating LP payouts with infrequently traded items. You're not min-maxing fleet assembly charges.
But to each their own. Good luck in playing Wallet On-Line.
If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.05 02:27:00 -
[62] - Quote
Ila Dace wrote:You're stating equivalences that are only equivalent if in-game currency could freely be converted back to RL money. No, he doesn't.
It is not about equivalences but comparisons.
You are clearly changing the meaning.
It has to do with evidence of the fact that it is easier in certain conditions to generate income from the Bazaar than otherwise.
That can be done against the EULA and ToS which he clearly doesn't.
No matter how much you try to twist it, it is clear that the source is attempted to be corrupted.
Ila Dace wrote:Given that they cannot, unless you violate the EULA and ToS, this is a lot of work for very little return.
You can't and you shouldn't and that is not what is about and you insinuate that it is what it is not.
The fact that even the arguments are even shown in this subject is evidence that it is more efficient to concentrate off-line on the Bazaar rather than invest time and efforts in rhetoric aimed at psychological and social warfare.
Ila Dace wrote:You can't, for instance, meta-game with this and break the market by manipulating LP payouts with infrequently traded items. You're not min-maxing fleet assembly charges.
But to each their own. Good luck in playing Wallet On-Line.
You are clearly misquoting the subject matters discussed before.
I can quote many parts that are being violated from the forums guidelines, but even that may prove worthless.
The point is not to break the market but to take a share of profit by improving the market.
Just to calculate the accurate amounts in no way diminishes the values of friendships. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1919
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Posted - 2014.01.05 10:24:00 -
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I play Eve and enjoy it = profit.
Easy really.
This is not a signature. |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
278
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Posted - 2014.01.05 10:42:00 -
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Vis Aldent wrote:Blah, blah, blah.
There is no such thing as profit in eve when comparing to RL unless you are a kid. If you are NOT a kid and are turning a profit compared to real life, that is just sad.
Mine or whatever your profession is, corporate thief?, because it is fun. If you are playing because you can make equivilantly more $ per hour than real life, then how much more painful will it be when all that turns to virtual fire around you?
Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö
I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
110
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Posted - 2014.01.05 11:20:00 -
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This smacks of university economics homework,is the original poster doing this as some sort of assessable assignment?
Regardless of that and despite all the typical General Discussion Ad Hominiem reaction to anything they do not understand ,,, I can actually see an interesting question behind this.
*****
Initial Premises --> Remove from consideration that some ppl may grind to make ISK as a personal challenge or simply because for them it is "fun". Also assume that you are free to either spend your time earning real money or the same time earning ISK in EVE.
1. As a new player you will progress much faster in the game by spending your time working for real money and plexing your character using the ISK for implants better ships and establishing thing slike PI planets.
2. Eventually you will reach a point where your in game ISK generation exceeds thePLEX you could buy working real time. This crossover point will be reached much earlier in a country with low real world pay rates.
3. how do you calculate this cross over point.
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
443
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Posted - 2014.01.05 11:36:00 -
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Yeah look i've just read this whole thread and OP seems to be mentally troubled.
I used to know a man who while very intelligent in a soulless, mechanical sort of way, would analyse himself into absolute paralysis maybe twice a year. He would then leave the law firm he owned to the care of partners and live on the streets drinking himself blank. Shiny suit for eight months, then shirtless dude with blood dried on his elbows.
He did this self medicating routine through his 30s and 40s and only recently got himslef locked up in a guarded care facility due to charges laid while he was vagrant. He represents himself in court and has successfully argued for more time to prepare his case, time which he uses getting lost in ever more impossible to control or measure detail.
Lots of luck OP, you seem to be already working for a minor faculty of your mind that is meant to work for you.
Let go, spend the money, enjoy yourself, rich man poor man both will be dust.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Sister Night
Apollo Technologies Inc
Luna Sanguinem
0
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Posted - 2014.01.05 11:57:00 -
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Well it easy to troll my intellectual weaknesses so you won there i'll give you that |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.01.05 13:31:00 -
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dayum, somebody got a calculator from santa this year..
Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.05 17:56:00 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Vis Aldent wrote:Blah, blah, blah. There is no such thing as profit in eve when comparing to RL unless you are a kid. If you are NOT a kid and are turning a profit compared to real life, that is just sad. You are also missing the point, since it is not compared to real life but rather to income in EVE.
How can you say that there is no profit in EVE when the whole point of being a trader is to make profit?
Your logic is flawed and erroneous, unscientific and amateurish at best.
Iria Ahrens wrote:Mine or whatever your profession is, corporate thief?, because it is fun. If you are playing because you can make equivilantly more $ per hour than real life, then how much more painful will it be when all that turns to virtual fire around you? You are missing the point again and refer to real life and playing.
You then refer to pain, and virtual fire which is in no way related to virtual reality.
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2780
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Posted - 2014.01.05 18:40:00 -
[70] - Quote
Removed an off topic post.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.05 18:48:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Yeah look i've just read this whole thread and OP seems to be mentally troubled.
I used to know a man who while very intelligent in a soulless, mechanical sort of way, would analyse himself into absolute paralysis maybe twice a year. He would then leave the law firm he owned to the care of partners and live on the streets drinking himself blank. Shiny suit for eight months, then shirtless dude with blood dried on his elbows.
He did this self medicating routine through his 30s and 40s and only recently got himslef locked up in a guarded care facility due to charges laid while he was vagrant. He represents himself in court and has successfully argued for more time to prepare his case, time which he uses getting lost in ever more impossible to control or measure detail.
Lots of luck OP, you seem to be already working for a minor faculty of your mind that is meant to work for you.
Let go, spend the money, enjoy yourself, rich man poor man both will be dust.
You're really exagerating.
I don't doubt that you make equally inaccurate deductions as you suggest to incite mentally troubling and claim it.
Your insistence on arguing about not calculating costs in relation to profit is proof of your interference against business.
In fact, you propose to add to those costs by not including your comments or psychological attacks in those costs.
What does your your law firm owner have to do with costs, whether ingame costs or other and ingame income?
http://moneyweek.com/glossary/cost-income-ratio/
I don't need the institution name, which use this cost-income-ratio as part of their accounting.
That information being confidential as it should have remained, while you tried to spill or leak it.
Perhaps the term 'real Ingame Profit.' used in the title made you feel bad?
It looks more like rumor mongering the way you approach it.
Real Ingame Profit is meant in the sense of actual and factual and exact profit, whether negative or positive.
Positive and Negative Expressions are common terms in business.
I don't have to give you an IBM CoBOL algorithm to validate or rightly justify the value of the subject or for insurance purposes.
If you prefer to create business systems based on your terms and under your controls or lack of control while manipulated...
I won't be liable. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
444
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Posted - 2014.01.06 05:44:00 -
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oh you roleplayers, you so cray-cray.
Edit:Oh hay ISD you removed my post? The one quoted in it's entirety above? Is this a roleplaying thread or is OP losing his grip on life's scrawny neck?
Serious question m8. Finding it hard to see how anybody could mistake this mess for sensible reasoning. Did you read it?
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.06 16:10:00 -
[73] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:oh you roleplayers, you so cray-cray.
Edit: ... The one quoted in it's entirety above? Is this a roleplaying thread or is OP losing his grip on life's scrawny neck?
Serious question m8. Finding it hard to see how anybody could mistake this mess for sensible reasoning. Did you read it?
I didn't have the time to reply yesterday, and had to update 19+ skills in my skill queue.
I had 1 hr 20 mins though, and answering this thread during my EVE Online ingame time takes away that time.
I won't be able to reply during my updating for a while.
I was suggested not to reply to those posting in my threads (since it made me loose my time in vain).
If I remember correctly, I ended up replying in Private Messages rather than publicly posting.
It was more private, secretive, confidential and less public.
If there was any embarrassing details, they were easier to deal with that way.
That thread had no replies until the Price Check, Bazaar link was posted.
I'm lucky to be able to reply for free from elsewhere and I don't know how long this will last.
Note:
Also, if you do trade on the Character Bazaar, you still need a valid active EVE Online account to transact.
You can't do anything but speculation and can't post on the forums if your accounts are inactive.
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I play Eve and enjoy it = profit.
Easy really.
I find it more enjoyable and profitable when the profit is positive.
Income - Costs = Profit.
If the costs are higher than the income, then the profit is negative and therefore a loss.
I understand that the profit can be related to difference persons or groups.
I find it less enjoyable when posters who try to scam me lie to me.
When they tell me that I shouldn't be worried about it and have fun.
As if it was crazy to keep track of losses and to avoid planning recovery.
(So they can make more profit really, even if and when covertly so.
It is not much of a secret really, and more than obvious in fact.)
In
Profit (accounting)
from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profit_(accounting)
Gross profit equals sales revenue minus cost of goods sold
[(Gross) profit equals (=) (sales) revenue minus (-) cost (of goods sold)]
I do exactly the same calculation except for 2 or 3 parts:
1.
I substitute "sales revenue" for income.
That income can be in the form of value of PLEx, income from mining, sales of loot, etc...
There are a few other details here but nothing much, such as ingame income.
2.
I substitute "costs of goods sold" for costs.
Those costs include the ingame costs and other related costs.
It is also useful to keep track of the potential profit and how to avoid more useless losses.
Please note that many players not only post here to make more, but suggest it is useless.
Some make over tens of thousand worth really.
3.
I substitute "Gross profit" for real Ingame Profit.
That is also meant in the sense of the actual numerical amount of profit , positive or negative.
That it is in relation to costs and income.
That the number will most likely be different to a certain extent or magnitude than the suggested value by many.
That the suggested value may refer more directly to the number related to CCP's share.
It's obvious to me that if I paid $10,000 or $20,000 worth in donation towards PLEX for Good it could matter.
That numerical amount value could also be PLEX from income and profit rather than Costs.
It can also be from Costs.
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Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.06 17:00:00 -
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I'm going to try to cheat for the first time and keep the previous post from getting too long:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:This smacks of university economics homework,is the original poster doing this as some sort of assessable assignment?
Regardless of that and despite all the typical General Discussion Ad Hominiem reaction to anything they do not understand ,,, I can actually see an interesting question behind this.
*****
Initial Premises --> Remove from consideration that some ppl may grind to make ISK as a personal challenge or simply because for them it is "fun". Also assume that you are free to either spend your time earning real money or the same time earning ISK in EVE.
1. As a new player you will progress much faster in the game by spending your time working for real money and plexing your character using the ISK for implants better ships and establishing thing slike PI planets.
2. Eventually you will reach a point where your in game ISK generation exceeds thePLEX you could buy working real time. This crossover point will be reached much earlier in a country with low real world pay rates.
3. how do you calculate this cross over point.
Not an assessable assignment, but thanks for keeping the subject significantly more intelligent than prone to retards.
(Also, not then, hopefully... It can be good to live in the present moment.)
1.
Don't get me wrong, it is more than fine to grind for ISK or other remotely related benefit...
In fact, my calculations points towards at exactly which ratio it becomes more or less efficient and so on.
It is meant to simplify, not stupidify or render foolish, the whole process by finding the exact ratio which can be hard to assess.
The derivation came into place as since the ratio is hard to detect, the quick approximation became simpler.
2.
There is a point where your pod pilot characters skill can be more beneficial than investing to increase your skills.
When it becomes more efficient to salvage expensive loot, PI in 0.0, rat in WH, and so on.
When it becomes easier to defeat other players in PvP (most pod pilots are under 10m SP).
Also, I don't know very much about DUSTians. I don't know if they have HAV pilots and so on. I believe they may have some low above the ground flight vehicles.
3. how and when, as there is and will be more than one way.
Whats the point of trying to get ahead only to be brought more in the red by billions of ISK?
There is little use to loose parts of trillions of ISK with no hope.
Sure other players can and will destroy billions of ISK worth (3.6b is worth $100 btw).
Sure they will gain income from those actions.
Sure no one should have to be force to think it's fun if they can't win it back. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
398
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Posted - 2014.01.07 14:43:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Your threads title misses a second D, R and P.
That said, i'll read it now.
Edit: This thread belongs to Market Discussion.
In your face, Doc Fury! XD
is the Doc still alive , havnt seen him in a while
The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2014.01.27 21:19:00 -
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I got a new place which charge $4 / hour (contrary to the $3/ hour they have listed).
They have other schedule than the 1st place I referred.
$15 for 12 hours overnight from Thursday to Saturday (but that leaves less time for planning).
$10 - 3 hours, continuous.
$15 - 5 hours, continuous.
$30 - 10 hours (on account).
$60 - 25 hours (on account).
They also have 25 cents charge for scanning.
That cost is 4 times better than 2 previous options that I had.
This would of course change my whole schedule of costs and income/benefit.
More like 634 times x 2 = 1,268 times more than normal. |
Carmen Electra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
225
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Posted - 2014.01.27 22:19:00 -
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Hello, I would like to post in this thread too. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
1932
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Posted - 2014.01.27 23:31:00 -
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tdlr;
its more cost effective to buy isk
somehow I think CCP already knows this
in fact I'm pretty sure its part of their business model |
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2014.01.28 19:34:00 -
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I wrote a long post but didn't publish it yet.
I found that Character Bazaar trading will be more cost-efficient for me until that I have more time.
That also bypasses all other requirements for learning and speeds up my work.
That's all I will add for now, until that I update the rest of that post on here or another site. |
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
118
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Posted - 2014.03.18 16:32:00 -
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Character Bazaar trading still holds as most efficient for me.
I'll should be able to compare with other activities, and compare those other activities between themselves. |
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Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2014.03.18 18:58:00 -
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Oiras Isimazu wrote:Character Bazaar trading still holds as most efficient for me.
I'll should be able to compare with other activities, and compare those other activities between themselves.
And character Bazaar trading is as boring as hell.
I don't see the point in this thread, unless you are doing some kind of cost/profit analysis for RMT, which you state that you are not, so what is the point in this thread....
Eve is a game which is about having fun. Why would you play the game simply to make imaginary isk?? |
Serene Repose
Saanen Freight Service
1092
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Posted - 2014.03.18 21:32:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:The comparison of costs is only valid if you only use your internet to play eve, and for no other purpose, otherwise you have to deduct and adjust for the time spent on reddit, imgur, xhamster while connected to eve.
Additionally, since isk comes in while you are sleeping, you need to adjust for this and...if the room you're in isn't a tax deduction as well...the internet costs stated so far are rather low...by the way.
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2275
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Posted - 2014.03.18 23:09:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:I too can use a **** load of math to make myself seem intelligent.
The number of ****s I give = 0
The number of people who think theyre the space rainman = 5000 (approx.)
Now, if you take the number of ****s I give times the number of space rainmen, you once again arrive at the number of ****s I give.
Math proof: 5000 x 0 = 0.
Yeah! Math *****!
Have your 11000th like for that one.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer
If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
463
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Posted - 2014.03.18 23:13:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:I too can use a **** load of math to make myself seem intelligent.
The number of ****s I give = 0
The number of people who think theyre the space rainman = 5000 (approx.)
Now, if you take the number of ****s I give times the number of space rainmen, you once again arrive at the number of ****s I give.
Math proof: 5000 x 0 = 0.
Yeah! Math *****! Have your 11000th like for that one.
haha he has just created the ultimate argument in support of creation science :D |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4444
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Posted - 2014.03.19 04:51:00 -
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OW! MY BRAIN!
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.05.13 20:40:00 -
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In the meantime I started a new BS to Blop.
I`m just going to buy my first Domi later on today before my skill queue expires.
I`d have already bought the trained pilot without the equips at my costs.
Over $100 so far. |
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
121
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:46:00 -
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I read every page and still don't know what is going on in this thread. Best I can tell, everytime I go AFK to poop, it costs me a couple million ISK. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5693
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:50:00 -
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GreasyCarl Semah wrote:I read every page and still don't know what is going on in this thread. Best I can tell, everytime I go AFK to poop, it costs me a couple million ISK.
NECROOOOOOOOOOOO !
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
252
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:50:00 -
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I'm a bit troubled that you are switching back and forth between billions and millions, utilizing the "1.5m" isk format on your first post.
This is as nice as I get.
Best quote ever
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.05.14 02:12:00 -
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Erufen Rito wrote:I'm a bit troubled that you are switching back and forth between billions and millions, utilizing the "1.5m" isk format on your first post.
Sorry, where in the first post?
It seems the post was modified from 1.18 billion ISK to 1.18 m ISK and so forth.
It is obvious that 590m x2 = 1.18b isk, not 1.18 m ISK.
I wouldn't be surprised that there is an error in the calculation or that the post itself was changed.
I don't have a Read-only CD version of it. |
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