So with upcoming changes to warp speed/acceleration who is going to rat in a carrier? :D

Also, any sentry BS boats? Rattlers/Domis/Geddons??

How with these insta warps, one can rat in those battleships? -

I mean sentry drone boats can't really align, and now interceptors can just jump into system and be in random heaven/sanctum in 5 seconds... awesome eh!?


(Im actually excited about this, few days away to get into ceptors ^^)

It certainly will make warp speed rigs for battleship pilots a lot more attractive.

Ratting with one carrier is stupidly risky as is.

But those people who are serious about carrier ratting don't rely on not getting caught, they rely on having cynos on each of their carriers and being able to spidertank the damage output of your average blops drop.

Not really. The problem is aligning, not warping.

Now MJDs on the other handGǪ

Should have enough cargo even after the rebalance at Cyno IV.

Fit a 'Firend' or 'FleetMate' when ratting in nulsec.

CCP said it won't. I haven't checked Singularity tho.

Not really. The problem is aligning, not warping.

Now MJDs on the other handGǪ

MJDs are the best thing added to EVE in years. Makes my sentry Domi much more effective than before.

Also, MJD has a long spool time - correct me if Im wrong here, but I believe its longer than actual align time for BS to get into warp :) With MJD skill @ 5 was it 9 seconds to spool it up?

Just means solo ratters will need to fit countermeasures to interceptors.

Hell even medium neuts are enough and most ratting ships can fit a heavy easily.

Even if the interceptor guesses first try where you are and warps straight to you you have answers. If they take time to find you, you can get to a safe and don't even need countermeasures.

An interceptor pilot worth a sh*t will never be in range of a large neut much less a medium one. Also, warriors cannot fly as fast as an interceptor moving at max speed under mwd and therefore wont do anything to them.

The ceptor having to guess where you are might be a problem for them in a -1.0 system but in a -.4 or lower where there are only 2 f-hubs and a haven one dscan probably gives them better than a 50% chance of finding you.

There are countermeasures and yes carrier ratting is still possible, but I haven't seen anything effective listed here yet. This change is just classic fozzie at work.

Also, good job on adding new implants that boost the warp speeds of ships even more. Maybe it would have been a good idea to let the new warp mechanics hit TQ and see how/if they break the game before allowng people another method of warping EVEN FASTER?

Typical of CCP though, they will make something OP as hell and then just about the time everyone has trained into it the nerf hammer will fall.

Isnt the whole idea behind carrier ratting that the carrier is like a moble pos that sits cloaked off grid while the fighters follow a smaller alt ship into the belts?

A large neut has a 25km (EDITED) range. If you move out of that range you're moving out of your disrupt range (meaning you lose point and the ship you're holding warps off), unless you're overheating (T2 Disrupt taken into account). Also if you are only using a point the PVE ship you're holding can easily MJD out and warp off. If you are using a scram you are clearly in his neut range and you will be capped out in a single cycle and then he warps off since a smart ratter will be alinged while neuting you. And if they got a Target Breaker, even if your fleet arrives he could use it and bust all the locks then warp off (not guarantee, but possible). Play smart and you will never lose a PVE ship to PVP.

Currently a rubicon stiletto has a 30km T2 point, 36km overheated as well as a 36.88km lock range with perfect skills, so they do have the lock range to take advantage of that without any sebos.

Isnt the whole idea behind carrier ratting that the carrier is like a moble pos that sits cloaked off grid while the fighters follow a smaller alt ship into the belts?

Asigning fighters sucks so bad that I cant see why would anyone use that for ratting.
Fighters are slow as hell and are effective only against BS size rats.

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The ceptor having to guess where you are might be a problem for them in a -1.0 system but in a -.4 or lower where there are only 2 f-hubs and a haven one dscan probably gives them better than a 50% chance of finding you.

Asigning fighters sucks so bad that I cant see why would anyone use that for ratting.
Fighters are slow as hell and are effective only against BS size rats.

You what now?




typical forum alt, big mouth but no practical knowledge

carrier ratting is just a high efficiency bet that you won't get killed before you make enough isk to make it worth it
they're fit for max damage, never a cyno

just like all other ratting ships

Rat in an ishtar.

MJD and cloak.

Don't stay at 0km from the warpin.

Have an alt falcon.

Change your fit so you can take down intys (dozens of options here).

Stop being a whining scrub.

Bubble all gates in system when ratting.


All of these options are at your disposal. Why not use them?

Rat in an ishtar.

MJD and cloak.

Don't stay at 0km from the warpin.

Have an alt falcon.

Change your fit so you can take down intys (dozens of options here).

Stop being a whining scrub.

Bubble all gates in system when ratting.


All of these options are at your disposal. Why not use them?

Isn't a BS also at full speed when exiting a jump? If so, I would think that passively (stopped) aligning to a celestial (if you can find one close to your plane) would afford you the MJD jump plus being full speed aligned when you exit the jump.

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The ceptor having to guess where you are might be a problem for them in a -1.0 system but in a -.4 or lower where there are only 2 f-hubs and a haven one dscan probably gives them better than a 50% chance of finding you.

Needing two people to rat means you're making half as much money.

I hope thats a joke..

Perhaps he assumes the other person is dead weight or he may be thinking that they are just there for protection rather than a second productive ship.

Also, some people think the inty change will lead to more pvp as more carriers get caught in anomalies. It probably will at 1st and the portable cyno jammer won't help because the raiders will just brring 2 ship (a ceptor to tackle and another ship to light the cyno outside of the portable jammer's range, or just a bomber with warp rigs and a covert cyno). But eventually it means fewer carrier kills because human nature dictates that people will just stop ratting with carriers.

Eventually, yes, but the number of low-information players in the game never ceases to astonish me.

Also, I'm stealing "HotStopper."

There are going to be some SERIOUS tears on Rubicon launch day when a bunch of carriers die while ratting.

And then the people who didn't hear about ANY of the changes CCP has been warning us about for months are going to stomp angrily to this forum DEMANDING to know why they weren't informed and DEMANDING their carrier based SP be refunded because they just trained carriers for ratting and there nothing else you can do with those things.

And I'm going to lull hard.



Also, I've already copyrighted "HotStopper" with the CONCORD forum phrases patent office, I demand 0.01 isk every time someone else says "HotStopper"..... I'll be rich!

Please, do not post if you have no idea what you're talking about.

Rat in an ishtar. - This thread is to discuss about ratting in Battleships/Carriers after Rubicon, not " suggest alternative ships thread"

MJD and cloak. - Cloak? Really? You cant use it if targeted (In this case by rats) And I want to see you patience for targeting Frigs/crusers.

Don't stay at 0km from the warpin. - Just wtf is this? :D

Have an alt falcon. - Fancy buying one for everyone?

Change your fit so you can take down intys (dozens of options here). - Right, thats why the post is here, to discuss it.

Stop being a whining scrub. - No one here is whining, this is just a discussion/question thread.

Bubble all gates in system when ratting. - Please, BIOMASS yourself.

Needing two people to rat means you're making half as much money.

I do this EVERY time I see a nuet enter local. .....

Step 1: hold A and click the station.

Step 2: Hit your MJD

Step 3: When you come out of you MJD, you will be just under warp speed and aligned, give it another second and hit dock.


Step 1 and 2 can be done in under a second. AS LONG AS YOU ALIGN to station before hitting your MJD then the ship will continue to align as the drive spools up. IF you hit your MJD before you align you cannot change the direction of your align.

This takes less than 10 seconds, and as long as you warp from a safe to the hub, (at whatever your optimum range is,) when you leave your MJD you will be at a location that the interceptor cannot warp 2.

Alternatively, when you land in the site, use your MJD to jump to the opposite side of the hub/site. (This works well for me as I always warp in at 50kms anyway)


O7

Does this mean that if you dual box each of your characters gets twice as much money.?

Rat in an ishtar.

MJD and cloak.

Don't stay at 0km from the warpin.

Have an alt falcon.

Change your fit so you can take down intys (dozens of options here).

Stop being a whining scrub.

Bubble all gates in system when ratting.


All of these options are at your disposal. Why not use them?

MJD is a battleship only module. Don't you realize this? Honestly I am surprised that everyone else that quoted this post missed this as well.

Didn't miss it, started to post the same thing i did till i realized he never said "fit MJD to Ishtar". He was listing individual tactics.

So with upcoming changes to warp speed/acceleration who is going to rat in a carrier? :D

Also, any sentry BS boats? Rattlers/Domis/Geddons??

How with these insta warps, one can rat in those battleships? -

I mean sentry drone boats can't really align, and now interceptors can just jump into system and be in random heaven/sanctum in 5 seconds... awesome eh!?


(Im actually excited about this, few days away to get into ceptors ^^)

Obviously using other ships is a solution.

Yes, MJD then cloak, or warp and then cloak. I see no problem whatsoever here.

Don't stay at 0km from the warpin. - Just wtf is this? :D ---> At this point you have proven to be absolutely ********.

Falcon alt? Train one. Getting 500M/month ratting in nullsec is hardly challenging. Unless you are challenged, of course.

Taking down an interceptor? Fit webs if they get in scram range, otherwise look at line #2. And/or large neuts.

Stop being a whining scrub. - No one here is whining, this is just a discussion/question thread. (you are whining, right here)

Bubbling gates is oh so hard? Sure, an inty gets through, but the rest of the fleet doesn't. You have more than enough time to blap an inty if he somehow gets you.

The only thing such threads prove is that nullsec is nowadays filled with too many scrub blobbing bears that think null should be like hisec. I, for one, am welcoming this change. I hope tons of people die because they're idiots. After all, you have LOCAL in null. How can you 'get jumped' with LOCAL, right there? Learn to pay attention.

It's not. Pretty much all BS benefit from MWD-cycle warping since that pegs it at a fixed 10 seconds. So a 9 second spool up is shorter than that.

But more to the point, the MJD lets you quickly and trivially reposition yourself so the incoming ship is not guaranteed to land right on top of you, and while he's chasing you down, you're already half-way through a spool-up that will create enough distance to ensure that you get away.

Rat in an ishtar.

MJD and cloak.

Don't stay at 0km from the warpin.

Have an alt falcon.

Change your fit so you can take down intys (dozens of options here).

Stop being a whining scrub.

Bubble all gates in system when ratting.


All of these options are at your disposal. Why not use them?

Those drone boats are big enough to carry a set of ECM drones. So do it. Should be able to use them since you should have the Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing trained anyway for the extra control range.

I think inties are being slated to be immune to the bub.




meanwhile..... tears



But why? Are there no tools already at the hands of every nullseccer that already protects them? Intel channels? Hot drops?

I was under the impression that the moment any ships crosses into nullsec, 50 carriers show up and destroy it, and the killmail gets pasted in every billboard in the victims hometown and the ladies won't want to talk to him any more, and his dog will run away, and the earth will open up and swallow his house, and all that.

Who is worried and why?

How's this

[Stiletto, cyno stiletto]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

1MN Microwarpdrive II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Cynosural Field Generator I
125mm Gatling AutoCannon I, EMP S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon I, EMP S

Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I

Should have enough cargo even after the rebalance at Cyno IV. I have no experience - can the titan bridge some dudes in before the interceptor's killed? Mobile cyno jammer better be good, since inty gets a zillion warp speed and nullification

Null mining's at anoms, now, too, eh

Dunno what drone boats your guys fly but 2-3x OTL + 2x target painters + sentry domi + interceptor @ 30 = Dead interceptor everytime.

Needing two people to rat means you're making half as much money.

By the time you've locked the interceptor, the cyno has gone up and the gank squad has arrived. Sure, maybe you get lucky and the interceptor arrives as the drones were looking for a new target anyway. But don't count on that :)

Risk 'v' Reward my friend. It's what Eve's all about.

An interceptor pilot worth a sh*t will never be in range of a large neut much less a medium one. Also, warriors cannot fly as fast as an interceptor moving at max speed under mwd and therefore wont do anything to them.

The ceptor having to guess where you are might be a problem for them in a -1.0 system but in a -.4 or lower where there are only 2 f-hubs and a haven one dscan probably gives them better than a 50% chance of finding you.

There are countermeasures and yes carrier ratting is still possible, but I haven't seen anything effective listed here yet. This change is just classic fozzie at work.

Also, good job on adding new implants that boost the warp speeds of ships even more. Maybe it would have been a good idea to let the new warp mechanics hit TQ and see how/if they break the game before allowng people another method of warping EVEN FASTER?

Typical of CCP though, they will make something OP as hell and then just about the time everyone has trained into it the nerf hammer will fall.

Needing two people to rat means you're making half as much money.

Typical of CCP though, they will make something OP as hell and then just about the time everyone has trained into it the nerf hammer will fall.

So with upcoming changes to warp speed/acceleration who is going to rat in a carrier? :D

Also, any sentry BS boats? Rattlers/Domis/Geddons??

How with these insta warps, one can rat in those battleships? -

I mean sentry drone boats can't really align, and now interceptors can just jump into system and be in random heaven/sanctum in 5 seconds... awesome eh!?


(Im actually excited about this, few days away to get into ceptors ^^)

Losing your carrier means you are making no money.

So with upcoming changes to warp speed/acceleration who is going to rat in a carrier? :D

Also, any sentry BS boats? Rattlers/Domis/Geddons??

How with these insta warps, one can rat in those battleships? -

I mean sentry drone boats can't really align, and now interceptors can just jump into system and be in random heaven/sanctum in 5 seconds... awesome eh!?


(Im actually excited about this, few days away to get into ceptors ^^)

Escape, nope.

The primary carrier escape mechanic is *right click* *Jump to* *alt/cyno array*. It takes two seconds, faster than you can warp out with a ratting BS.

The carrier is also 50-100km from grid warp in as well.


Efficiency, prehaps.

Warping between sites takes longer which is bad.

It's not. Pretty much all BS benefit from MWD-cycle warping since that pegs it at a fixed 10 seconds. So a 9 second spool up is shorter than that.

But more to the point, the MJD lets you quickly and trivially reposition yourself so the incoming ship is not guaranteed to land right on top of you, and while he's chasing you down, you're already half-way through a spool-up that will create enough distance to ensure that you get away.

So long as you are paying attention you can get your frig into scram range of where ever that BS is going to land after its mjd cycle. For the most part, if you've been tackled by cepters you can only count on that mjd to give you a little more time, nothing more.

1. Warp to anom
2. Deploy mobile depot
3. If neut arrives in local refit warp core stabs and allign to POS
4. Warp away even if interceptor manages to "tackle" you

CCP said it won't. I haven't checked Singularity tho.

And whoever was saying "If you have 2 people ratting you only make half as much." ... seriously?

1. Warp to anom
2. Deploy mobile depot
3. If neut arrives in local refit warp core stabs and allign to POS
4. Warp away even if interceptor manages to "tackle" you

Please, do not post if you have no idea what you're talking about.

Rat in an ishtar. - This thread is to discuss about ratting in Battleships/Carriers after Rubicon, not " suggest alternative ships thread"

MJD and cloak. - Cloak? Really? You cant use it if targeted (In this case by rats) And I want to see you patience for targeting Frigs/crusers.

Don't stay at 0km from the warpin. - Just wtf is this? :D

Have an alt falcon. - Fancy buying one for everyone?

Change your fit so you can take down intys (dozens of options here). - Right, thats why the post is here, to discuss it.

Stop being a whining scrub. - No one here is whining, this is just a discussion/question thread.

Bubble all gates in system when ratting. - Please, BIOMASS yourself.

So with upcoming changes to warp speed/acceleration who is going to rat in a carrier? :D

Also, any sentry BS boats? Rattlers/Domis/Geddons??

How with these insta warps, one can rat in those battleships? -

I mean sentry drone boats can't really align, and now interceptors can just jump into system and be in random heaven/sanctum in 5 seconds... awesome eh!?


(Im actually excited about this, few days away to get into ceptors ^^)

I have little experience with carriers and ratting, so if someone could inform me of my misunderstanding then thanks in advance.

First, won't interceptors still have to scan ratters down and won't that take enough time for ratters to warp out?

Also, if a carrier is using fighters and is aligned, can't it instawarp to station when the neut enters local?

I have little experience with carriers and ratting, so if someone could inform me of my misunderstanding then thanks in advance.

First, won't interceptors still have to scan ratters down and won't that take enough time for ratters to warp out?

Also, if a carrier is using fighters and is aligned, can't it instawarp to station when the neut enters local?

read it again, it's not about two people ratting

Needing two people to rat means you're making half as much money.

I have little experience with carriers and ratting, so if someone could inform me of my misunderstanding then thanks in advance.

First, won't interceptors still have to scan ratters down and won't that take enough time for ratters to warp out?

Also, if a carrier is using fighters and is aligned, can't it instawarp to station when the neut enters local?

An interceptor pilot worth a sh*t will never be in range of a large neut much less a medium one

Good. Then I can MJD.

Sorry, I don't know how else to interpret that.

Fit a 'Firend' or 'FleetMate' when ratting in nulsec.