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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:19:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:Hey OP. Did you know that: -Free to play is just renamed "DEMO VERSION" ? (like "Cloud" is just renamed "the internet") -EVE is already "true free to play" (PLEX)? -Star citizen is no.5454866322 game in a row which is going to "kill EVE definitely"? -You are using textbooks fallacies? -EVE is here for more than 10 years now only because people like you and your stupid ideas are not in the CCP management? -you would do a favor for many of us here if you biomass yourself right now ?
That's two votes for "biomass" That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
572
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:22:00 -
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Why hello there Mr. Decker it's nice to meet your in-game character. |

PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
464
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:22:00 -
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Vote #3 for biomass. Also, eve has already lasted over a decade. Their business model is fine. |

Garandras
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
25
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:24:00 -
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I do love people that say EvE cant survive the long run..
EvE has been going strong for 10years... very few games are considered worth playing after a single year.. |

Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
454
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:42:00 -
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Amhra Rho wrote:Star Citizen is not even in the same game class as Eve Online. The only similarity between them is spaceships. But they don't even look like spaceships, more like jet fighters. Jet fighters with toilets. I pledged for this game long ago, but the more stuff they show off the less appealing I find sc as a whole. |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
569
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:45:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote:Amhra Rho wrote:Star Citizen is not even in the same game class as Eve Online. The only similarity between them is spaceships. But they don't even look like spaceships, more like jet fighters. Jet fighters with toilets. I pledged for this game long ago, but the more stuff they show off the less appealing I find sc as a whole.
Did you never play Wing Commander? I mean, if you didn't like that then you won't like SC. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
160
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:48:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote:Amhra Rho wrote:Star Citizen is not even in the same game class as Eve Online. The only similarity between them is spaceships. But they don't even look like spaceships, more like jet fighters. Jet fighters with toilets. I pledged for this game long ago, but the more stuff they show off the less appealing I find sc as a whole. I plan to take a look at it, but I'm predicting that in the final analysis, StarCit will be yet another also-ran to Eve for me. There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
570
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:50:00 -
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Well the largest player flown ships on SC is the Idris:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13097-Idris-Corvette-Revealed
Can handle two fighters and lots of manned guns so you need a group of people to effectively run the ship. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
160
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:52:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Karak Terrel wrote:Amhra Rho wrote:Star Citizen is not even in the same game class as Eve Online. The only similarity between them is spaceships. But they don't even look like spaceships, more like jet fighters. Jet fighters with toilets. I pledged for this game long ago, but the more stuff they show off the less appealing I find sc as a whole. Did you never play Wing Commander? I mean, if you didn't like that then you won't like SC. Never did, although I heard good things about it. Wing Commander never was in the "running", however - quite simply, I only do MMOs. There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
570
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:54:00 -
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Amhra Rho wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Karak Terrel wrote:Amhra Rho wrote:Star Citizen is not even in the same game class as Eve Online. The only similarity between them is spaceships. But they don't even look like spaceships, more like jet fighters. Jet fighters with toilets. I pledged for this game long ago, but the more stuff they show off the less appealing I find sc as a whole. Did you never play Wing Commander? I mean, if you didn't like that then you won't like SC. Never did, although I heard good things about it. Wing Commander never was in the "running", however - quite simply, I only do MMOs.
You must be young. Wing Commander was before MMO's in the early 1990's. I had a copy on the SNES. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
455
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:54:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Karak Terrel wrote:Amhra Rho wrote:Star Citizen is not even in the same game class as Eve Online. The only similarity between them is spaceships. But they don't even look like spaceships, more like jet fighters. Jet fighters with toilets. I pledged for this game long ago, but the more stuff they show off the less appealing I find sc as a whole. Did you never play Wing Commander? I mean, if you didn't like that then you won't like SC. Wing Commander Privateer is basically the reason I play EVE. I did not care much about the other Wing Commander titles. |

Karen Avioras
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:04:00 -
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You're a terrible person. |

Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
160
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:27:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Amhra Rho wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Karak Terrel wrote:Amhra Rho wrote:Star Citizen is not even in the same game class as Eve Online. The only similarity between them is spaceships. But they don't even look like spaceships, more like jet fighters. Jet fighters with toilets. I pledged for this game long ago, but the more stuff they show off the less appealing I find sc as a whole. Did you never play Wing Commander? I mean, if you didn't like that then you won't like SC. Never did, although I heard good things about it. Wing Commander never was in the "running", however - quite simply, I only do MMOs. You must be young. Wing Commander was before MMO's in the early 1990's. I had a copy on the SNES. Make no mistake. I may be young, but that doesn't mean I'm not treacherous
The "theme" doesn't matter - it's the game type. There's space MMOs, fantasy MMOs, urban ghetto MMOs, science fiction MMOs, and even Korean mythology MMOs. It's not the spaceships - or "space jets" - it's the game type that counts. There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |

Sir Spottington
Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers.
35
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:31:00 -
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no
please leave
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Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc RECURSIVE ASCENSION
42
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:43:00 -
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I was seriously excited about Star Citizen until they called a corvette size vessel a capital ship. What kind of wimpy space empire can't build anything bigger than that? Dogfights don't interest me one bit, I want grand strategy. A proud member of Wolfbane Hauler Inc. We are currently recruiting pilots of all skill levels. We need both industrial combat specialists. For more information see our ad:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3764273&#post3764273 |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3209
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:50:00 -
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Xavier Higdon wrote:I was seriously excited about Star Citizen until they called a corvette size vessel a capital ship. What kind of wimpy space empire can't build anything bigger than that? Dogfights don't interest me one bit, I want grand strategy.
I lvoed Wing Commander (even read the crappy novels lol), but I'm like you, I'm not interested in dogfighting anymore either. I'll play SC because it's about space and such, but if I fall in love with it it will be becuase of other aspects.
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destiny2
Perkone Caldari State
215
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Posted - 2013.10.31 01:51:00 -
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EVE has been around for what 10 years now. and still going strong, while half these scrubs who make pointless threads where still playing Pokemon,
If eve was free to play, it be like playing, minecraft with worst graphics,
*and ina sense eve is already free to play, if your one of those players who can generate enough isk for a plex each month,* |

Baaldor
In Igne Morim Easily Excited
156
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Posted - 2013.10.31 02:17:00 -
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Jim McMorris wrote:Star Citizen is better,,,no really...Guys?/
Posting in another stealth "Star Citizen is better because I paid money for something that does not exist, that will fail and need more dumbasses to share in the misery" |

Sheldor Amouh
6
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Posted - 2013.10.31 02:29:00 -
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If you look at other "free to play" models two things happen. First it actually becomes much more expensive to play. You get x gate jumps in y amount of time, more are $.10 each. You can post z number of orders, then they are $.50 each. Training time is quadroupled but you can buy speed ups. Same with build times. You can run b number of missions a day then they are$1 a piece, more for higher lvl missions. Second, for the reasons above, it becomes pay to win.
Sub prices are not what keep subs low for this game. Seeing one movie by youself cost more than a one month sub. A fifth of cheap liquor costs more than a one month sub. Depending on were you live three gallons of gad costs etc, etc, etc. People waste exponentially more money on useless junk. But its because they want to.
What makes Eve the game it is is also what keeps many people away. Believe it or not most people dont enjoy having to be suspicious of every person they meet because its a scam or an outright threat to their possesions or existance. Thats what real life is for. Most people play games to escape reality, not re-experience it.
If you want millions of subs, make Eve an instant satisfaction, low effort, no risk World of Poke Kitty game. If you want Eve to be the game it is, live with it being niche.
And the primary reason Star Citizen wont dent eve are its the millions of subs version of Eve in single player format.
IMHO. Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms. |

Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
588
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Posted - 2013.10.31 02:30:00 -
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Another EvE is dying thread? Who would have thought? Post with your main, like a BOSS! |

To Be Me
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.10.31 02:45:00 -
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ur things belong to me |

AnUnskilled Pilot
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.10.31 02:47:00 -
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What I do know is that the majority of my friends have spent 100s of dollars on dota2 for enhancements that do not effect gameplay, so it's possible for a mainstream game to succeed with this model |

Matokin Lemant
5
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Posted - 2013.10.31 03:10:00 -
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Jim McMorris wrote:Alright guys I've got this one. At the moment, EVE cannot survive in the long-run, which is what CCP want the game to be a - a game lasting decades, not years. With biggies like Star Citizen coming round with one-time fees and no-subs, there's gonna be some serious questions asked by the players. Questions like this: "Why am I still paying for this bad bad game when star citizen is a lot cheaper?" This question will mean people will unsubscribe. We've also noticed a big trend in the MMO world going away from subs, that trend isn't fully done yet. But when it is, who knows what'll happen to the CCP. The big business model transFORMATIONOkay guys, so here's how I think CCP should do it. 1) EVE becomes free. Anybody can make account, download and start getting scammed by goons. 2) CCP sells character slots, ship paints, golden pods and more clothes and stuff. Basically, CCP sells as much as it can that doesn't have an impact on gameplay. 3) Population of EVE rises. There are huge huge wars because there are so many people fighting and having fun. 4) EVE is a lot better, more dynamic. Look at all of the politics with 400k people fighting for a finite amount of space. Imagine 5 million people fighting for the same amount of space? It would be crazy. Absolutely crazy. This would probably INCREASE CCPs profits as well. I'd recommend that they do this IPO on the stockmarket they were talking about, as that will get the big businesses interested and posting articles about this awesome sci-fi sim. All of the hardcore eve fans, like the mitani, will probably buy shares - so they'll have even more money to improve the game. As they improve the game more people play and buy cosmetic items and CCP get richer. Thoughts please. Thread update:Thanks for feedback guys, I think there are a few more points worth adding here. 1) CCP should also consider the option of buy to play. Perhaps a -ú39.99 to get access to the game client, but fees after that - this would ensure there is a paywall to supplement CCP profits and keep out the hacking community. With the increased profits, CCP would have greater confidence in following a strictly cosmetic cash4items scheme. Buy to play has been an extremely successful model and I think it is particularly relevant to EVE ONLINE. Why? The model in GW2 has triggered slow but steady growth, this is the type of growth CCP has always been experiencing with EVE. http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/08/23/lead-designer-says-guild-wars-2-is-growing-its-playerbase/2) Secondly, a steam launch as free to play would be a great bolster to current numbers. 0.9 of the world's population has a steam account. http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/10/30/0-9-of-the-global-population-have-steam-accounts/
I think your on to something with this.
You know I would not mind eve being free to play or a one time payment as long as CCP dont follow some games by adding superior ships, mods and ammo (basically anything would effect game pay ) that you could buy. And I think that is mostly what the community is most afraid of eve turning in to a "pay to win" type of game.
If CCP stays away from the "pay to win" model and sells merely vanity related items this could work.
I would like to throw out an other idea (multi boxers my hate me but) have your first account/toon free and have to pay -ú25.99 to grant the ability to make more then one toon or accont this combined with the "Pay for vanity" model would net even more income for CCP |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
195
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Posted - 2013.10.31 03:30:00 -
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Jim McMorris wrote:Kahega Amielden wrote:Quote:No XP boosters or skill packs or whatever. When I say free to play or buy to play, I mean a shop with COMPLETELY cosmetic items. I'm talking about getting rid of the sub and just expanding the current aura shop. It's being done by hundreds of companies across the globe and has a proven track record.
You never answered my question. If EVE players were so eager to buy cosmetic items, then why was the Aurum store a complete failure? Furthermore, "Other companies have done it" is not a valid argument, especially if they do not make games that are like EVE. The only F2P games that I can think of that are halfway acceptable were designed to be F2P. We have no data on CCP's aura store earnings, so it's hard to say. But I bet if they added stuff like character slots and ship paints, things people actually want, then it would do MUCH better.
No data perhaps but usually if a company notices something producing earnings they will make said earner bigger and more diverse. By making it bigger it makes it more appealing for people to spend more.
The store pretty much died on the vine as most people play eve for spaceships and not avatar dress up. |

Yummy Chocolate
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1902
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Posted - 2013.10.31 08:08:00 -
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Jim McMorris wrote:EVE cannot survive in the long-run
I want to punch you so bad... Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase Felicity Love >... was thinking "moar popcorn"... but now, seeing the truly awesome contribution this thread is going to make to the Greater Glory Of EVE.... imagonnamakkadapizza.... |

Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
192
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Posted - 2013.10.31 08:08:00 -
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Yummy Chocolate wrote:Jim McMorris wrote:EVE cannot survive in the long-run I want to punch you so bad... EvE is ded #yolo |

Marexlovox
The Scope Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.10.31 08:09:00 -
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I have seen good games die because of the free-to-play / pay-to-win model. Monthy sub is fine where its at. No, that it all. |

Prince Kobol
1070
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Posted - 2013.10.31 08:29:00 -
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The only thing can kill Eve is CCP.
Eve is a very niche game and as such it will most likely never have a direct competitor.
As much as I am looking forward to SC and will be playing it, I will still play Eve (if I am still here) as they are 2 different games.
The problem with EVE is not any other game but the direction, or lack of it from CCP.
Yeah you can say they have a 5 year plan blah blah blah, I'm sorry but I have long stop believing anything CCP say. You can say I have zero faith in CCP these days.
Personally for me, Eve has stagnated.
I don't know if it was Incarna which has killed any ambition CCP had or if its because they are spreading themselves to thin with everything they are trying to do.
Either way, again its just for me, I only really find myself logging in when pings go out. |

Radamant Nemess
Caribbean Coke Enterprises
21
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Posted - 2013.10.31 08:45:00 -
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No. I don`t want the hordes of third world zombies swarming my favourite game. Now go away and take f2p with you. i can fail at any speed you like |

Kialopreyst
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.10.31 08:47:00 -
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Jim McMorris wrote:All current subscribers receive free copy of game.
You know that the software is already free right?
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