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Vincent Pryce
Stormcrows
97
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:18:00 -
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Zanzibar Heroshima wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Saber1 wrote:Since the days of Veto, more and more capsuleers are drifting toward the scum-soaked sides of EVE. Hey, leave Veto out of this. At least they had standards. Like refusing to work with, oh, say, the Sansha, even though the Guristas are technically allied with them. Not to rain on your parade, TS-F worked with Veto on several operations.
M'yes it was sad to see once great entity slumming around like that. I guess that is what Syndicate does to you. Vincent Pryce Archangel of Asakai |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1795
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:34:00 -
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Let me make a small defense:
I'm the most neutral moderator in the summit.
No really. Let me explain.
My official policy since joining the Foundations (I was put in place as a moderator while an Amarr loyalist) has been to avoid taking any sides when it comes to the moderation of anyone in the Foundations, or with Nation ties.
When it comes to the rest of you, who are the vast majority, I am entirely neutral in my lookout from one person to the next. I have always striven to moderate based entirely on the actions of individual members. I don't take sides based on ideologies because all of your ideologies are equally abhorrent to me.
The second issue is "What power do I actually have as a moderator of the summit"
The answer is none. I usually spend my hours in the thankless, volunteer task trying to keep people from murdering their crews, or making blatant racist comments. And I never, ever, get involved in an official capacity with any argument that I am part of, so its actually been MORE possible to ***** about Nation with me around than with me not around.
In the case of the OP, I got into an argument with her about her statements that Sex Slavery was an entirely valid "profession", and called her dumb. I did not moderate, or threaten to moderate. They have literally nothing to complain about from an official capacity, unless they want the moderation team to start getting even harsher in terms of moderation.
So, with that said
Thanks very much for your concern, I will take it under advisement. |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2341
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:40:00 -
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Sex obsessed firecracker gets told off.
Modules have been rustled.
So business as usual then, Tiberious? Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1795
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:42:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Sex obsessed firecracker gets told off.
Modules have been rustled.
So business as usual then, Tiberious?
P. much.
Should also note that the only time moderation got brought up as a thing was when the OP tried to bait me into banning her and I refused. |

Liuni Kalthis
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:42:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Ahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha AHHHHhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha haha hahahaha
I don't always agree with Sansha followers but when I do....
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Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
254
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:46:00 -
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Fine, Saber. I'll eat my words but raise you this!
As far as I was tracking, The Summit was SUPPOSED (after some digging) to function similar to the CONCORD Assembly for the immortals. A place of neutral ground for the four empires and their capsuleers within.
For as we all know it is impossible to be neutral to ALL parties.
Everyone has an enemy, even the State.
But now there's a catch. So many have stated they're enemies of Sansha but are they allowed to voice that in the channel. To undermine a Sansha speaker or even individually attack them, is to violate the rules of the channel. (Not what happened with my situation, my issue with the toaster was minor, it was resolved, and only got me into thinking about this bigger picture.)
God help the capsuleer who is a lone survivor of a Sansha incursion. They breathe one whiff of this community and that sponsored channel and all sense of justice is long goneGǪ
"YOU! You ******* took my family!"
Banned.
That's how it will go.
Maybe it won't be Sansha as the target audience, maybe it will be Blood Raiders. Maybe even Guristas.
Perhaps The Summit actually PROMOTES these activities as it shelters individuals involved with them from the wrath of the empires' immortal populace?
"Kill millions. You're fine if you're here. In fact, you seem nice and fair, here are some moderation controls. Go set good examples, fine sir."
So entirely sickening... |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
183
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:47:00 -
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I have to say I can understand it when people question how the good folk who spend so much time trying to twirl mustaches, appear all "Kuvakei's Finest", and for that matter try to justify the greatest travesties to befall dirtsiders since we first started roaming the skies are given such preferential treatment.
There's entire lists of people tossed mammaries over posteriors out of places like the aforementioned Summit without having done much of anything in New Eden. People who on the other hand at least claim to stand side by side with those who do... face no consequences at all.
You can't say it doesn't look odd, Oni.
Edit: In no way or form does OTSI or it's CEO (me), capsuleer employees (me), dirtsider employees (not me) and starbase structures (kind of not me) endorse nor affiliate with that woman up above. She's kind of weird. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Liuni Kalthis
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:49:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote:Fine, Saber. I'll eat my words but raise you this!
As far as I was tracking, The Summit was SUPPOSED (after some digging) to function similar to the CONCORD Assembly for the immortals. A place of neutral ground for the four empires and their capsuleers within.
For as we all know it is impossible to be neutral to ALL parties.
Everyone has an enemy, even the State.
But now there's a catch. So many have stated they're enemies of Sansha but are they allowed to voice that in the channel. To undermine a Sansha speaker or even individually attack them, is to violate the rules of the channel. (Not what happened with my situation, my issue with the toaster was minor, it was resolved, and only got me into thinking about this bigger picture.)
God help the capsuleer who is a lone survivor of a Sansha incursion. They breathe one whiff of this community and that sponsored channel and all sense of justice is long goneGǪ
"YOU! You ******* took my family!"
Banned.
That's how it will go.
Maybe it won't be Sansha as the target audience, maybe it will be Blood Raiders. Maybe even Guristas.
Perhaps The Summit actually PROMOTES these activities as it shelters individuals involved with them from the wrath of the empires' immortal populace?
"Kill millions. You're fine if you're here. In fact, you seem nice and fair, here are some moderation controls. Go set good examples, fine sir."
So entirely sickening...
Considering channels change just like anything else in time, the most I've seen Tiberious ban someone for was showing their genitals on the channel. You are diving way too much into a channel where it bounces from politics to sex, then back to some sort of other sex way too seriously Isis.
If you don't like how things are ran or think there will be some doomsday due to the Summit I'd suggest you either join the Sphere or something else of that nature. |

Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
254
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:54:00 -
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Liuni Kalthis wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Fine, Saber. I'll eat my words but raise you this!
As far as I was tracking, The Summit was SUPPOSED (after some digging) to function similar to the CONCORD Assembly for the immortals. A place of neutral ground for the four empires and their capsuleers within.
For as we all know it is impossible to be neutral to ALL parties.
Everyone has an enemy, even the State.
But now there's a catch. So many have stated they're enemies of Sansha but are they allowed to voice that in the channel. To undermine a Sansha speaker or even individually attack them, is to violate the rules of the channel. (Not what happened with my situation, my issue with the toaster was minor, it was resolved, and only got me into thinking about this bigger picture.)
God help the capsuleer who is a lone survivor of a Sansha incursion. They breathe one whiff of this community and that sponsored channel and all sense of justice is long goneGǪ
"YOU! You ******* took my family!"
Banned.
That's how it will go.
Maybe it won't be Sansha as the target audience, maybe it will be Blood Raiders. Maybe even Guristas.
Perhaps The Summit actually PROMOTES these activities as it shelters individuals involved with them from the wrath of the empires' immortal populace?
"Kill millions. You're fine if you're here. In fact, you seem nice and fair, here are some moderation controls. Go set good examples, fine sir."
So entirely sickening... Considering channels change just like anything else in time, the most I've seen Tiberious ban someone for was showing their genitals on the channel. You are diving way too much into a channel where it bounces from politics to sex, then back to some sort of other sex way too seriously Isis. If you don't like how things are ran or think there will be some doomsday due to the Summit I'd suggest you either join the Sphere or something else of that nature.
Scroll up, the question isn't about him banning people. The question is why is it him banning people?
He and his entire corp are enemies of all New Eden.
THAT PART. GǪis the problem here. |

Liuni Kalthis
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:55:00 -
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Because people sometimes show their genitals on the channel. |
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Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
254
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:00:00 -
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Liuni Kalthis wrote:Because people sometimes show their genitals on the channel and the other moderators aren't always on.
There.. is.. an entire community of more neutral and qualified people to pull from for moderatorsGǪ The question still stands. Why are they voicing and/or moderating when their very presence insights the wrath of all four of our founding races and their communities? |

Liuni Kalthis
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:03:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote:Liuni Kalthis wrote:Because people sometimes show their genitals on the channel and the other moderators aren't always on. There.. is.. an entire community of more neutral and qualified people to pull from for moderatorsGǪ The question still stands. Why are they voicing and/or moderating when their very presence insights the wrath of all four of our founding races and their communities?
Because when asked those more neutral and qualified people said "Hell no" is my guess. |

Viktrix Vhymidor
House Vhymidor
1
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:04:00 -
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Is it possible to contact the owner of the channel and get them removed from moderation?
I mean, surprised no one else has asked.
Is the Amarrian-bishop-guy still around? |

Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
254
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:08:00 -
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Liuni Kalthis wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Liuni Kalthis wrote:Because people sometimes show their genitals on the channel and the other moderators aren't always on. There.. is.. an entire community of more neutral and qualified people to pull from for moderatorsGǪ The question still stands. Why are they voicing and/or moderating when their very presence insights the wrath of all four of our founding races and their communities? Because when asked those more neutral and qualified people said "Hell no" is my guess.
With the number of other channels functioning in similar operation, no wonder I'm laughing so hysterically at that statement.
I think you need to go back to the academy and retake your social behavior classes. |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2342
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:10:00 -
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Viktrix Vhymidor wrote:Is it possible to contact the owner of the channel and get them removed from moderation?
I mean, surprised no one else has asked.
Is the Amarrian-bishop-guy still around?
Yes. Feel free to contact Cardinal Graelyn and request Tiberious' removal. Be sure to suggest Isis Dea as his replacement.
I'm sure he could use a good laugh. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |

Liuni Kalthis
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:12:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote:Liuni Kalthis wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Liuni Kalthis wrote:Because people sometimes show their genitals on the channel and the other moderators aren't always on. There.. is.. an entire community of more neutral and qualified people to pull from for moderatorsGǪ The question still stands. Why are they voicing and/or moderating when their very presence insights the wrath of all four of our founding races and their communities? Because when asked those more neutral and qualified people said "Hell no" is my guess. With the number of other channels functioning in similar operation, no wonder I'm laughing so hysterically at that statement. I think you need to go back to the academy and retake your social behavior classes.
You could always throw your application in to become a moderator I guess Isis, but I don't know of another channel the Faction commanders frequent as much as the Summit. |

Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1263
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:12:00 -
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While I strongly hold my objections against the TSF and keep things as civil as the rules of the Summit dictate, and no further, I will state one truth, even if it goes in their favour.
No moderator associated with the TSF, Kuvakei, or Sansha's Nation has ever banned or disciplined me for my very vocal dislike against them, even in times where I've not held back on speaking my mind with a very blunt nature.
While I may hold a very negative set of opinions regarding Thessalonia's political and ethical statuses, I've never seen him moderate The Summit with any sense of favouritism or bias, it's his one redeeming quality in fact. While that does not justify his many damning characteristics, it's unfair to make false accusation against him regardless.
This does not reflect my opinion regarding my personal opinion on the subject Captain Dea raised, but I thought I'd at least clear up some of the false accusations made. When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first.-áAccept nothing, challenge everything. |

Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
350
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:12:00 -
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Pilot Dea, your issue seems to be sand in places that we have alot of enemies. The Amarr Empire too has alot of enemies. However like the Empire we also have allies. So, in your opinion, what percentage of New Eden has to hate me before I am magically incapable of being neutral in a setting that requires it for continued diplomatic operation? |

Saber1
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:15:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Viktrix Vhymidor wrote:Is it possible to contact the owner of the channel and get them removed from moderation?
I mean, surprised no one else has asked.
Is the Amarrian-bishop-guy still around? Yes. Feel free to contact Cardinal Graelyn and request Tiberious' removal. Be sure to suggest Isis Dea as his replacement. I'm sure he could use a good laugh.
Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not familiar with who is or isn't a moderator on there. As said, I've greatly despised that channel.
But wouldn't you, Katrina, not be a more suitable candidate for moderation?
You're entirely neutral and fair, where I have seen you voice here within the IGS. And you represent a legal front within one of the four factions. Your face is known. You would only need to enforce apparently the use of genitals in the channel it seems...
You'd have my vote. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2174
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:17:00 -
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Saber1 wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:Viktrix Vhymidor wrote:Is it possible to contact the owner of the channel and get them removed from moderation?
I mean, surprised no one else has asked.
Is the Amarrian-bishop-guy still around? Yes. Feel free to contact Cardinal Graelyn and request Tiberious' removal. Be sure to suggest Isis Dea as his replacement. I'm sure he could use a good laugh. Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not familiar with who is or isn't a moderator on there. As said, I've greatly despised that channel. But wouldn't you, Katrina, not be a more suitable candidate for moderation? You're entirely neutral and fair, where I have seen you voice here within the IGS. And you represent a legal front within one of the four factions. Your face is known. You would only need to enforce apparently the use of genitals in the channel it seems... You'd have my vote.
She's already a moderator, although I'm not disposed to hand over command authority over my genitals to her.
Not without dinner, anyway.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2342
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:22:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: She's already a moderator, although I'm not disposed to hand over command authority over my genitals to her.
Not without dinner, anyway.
I believe your wife already has complete command over them anyways.
Quote:Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not familiar with who is or isn't a moderator on there. As said, I've greatly despised that channel.
But wouldn't you, Katrina, not be a more suitable candidate for moderation?
You're entirely neutral and fair, where I have seen you voice here within the IGS. And you represent a legal front within one of the four factions. Your face is known. You would only need to enforce apparently the use of genitals in the channel it seems...
You'd have my vote.
Your vote of confidence is both heartwarming and wholly appreciated.
I do try. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |

Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
254
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:25:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Pilot Dea, your issue seems to be sand in places that we have alot of enemies. The Amarr Empire too has alot of enemies. However like the Empire we also have allies. So, in your opinion, what percentage of New Eden has to hate me before I am magically incapable of being neutral in a setting that requires it for continued diplomatic operation?
It's not the percentage of hate, as Saber put, it is the question of legality.
You are an enemy of all four empires.
You aren't neutral. You're a heart-ripping reminder of injustice at large, regardless of whoever you support.
And for you drift aimlessly around as a neutral party only infuriates those who've suffered to that injustice further, especially from a place of moderation.
Yet it isn't just you. It is every illegal or envisioned evil party that is empowered to moderate or have a large say within this community.
I'll swallow the Amarr, my kind and them will always be enemies that have to find new ways to tolerate each other.
But Sansha? And God knows who comes next?
**** no.
This is New Eden. Even the law-abiding community gets a say. Especially what it comes to the grounds of what should be neutral across the four empires. |

Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1150
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:27:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote: He and his entire corp are enemies of all New Eden.
THAT PART. GǪis the problem for I and I'm sure a number of others here.
Laughably false. Omir's sect and Nation are fast friends, as is my own.
Back to the topic, perhaps you should start your own channel if you find the environment so atrocious to your standards.
Or, maybe complain some more.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Graelyn
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
491
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:27:00 -
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Saber1 wrote:Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not familiar with who is or isn't a moderator on there. As said, I've greatly despised that channel.
But wouldn't you, Katrina, not be a more suitable candidate for moderation?
Katrina is a moderator.
You seem to have zero knowledge of the channel at hand.
You also repeatedly bleat your strong opinions, and opposition of it.
You have a deep-seated hatred of something of which you have no knowledge whatsoever.
There is a word for that. This word describes and defines everything you say and do. + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" Amarr Loyalist of the Year --áYC113 |

Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1263
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:27:00 -
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The only issue is that the Summit is not a community exclusive to law abiding citizens of the four Empires. It's a melting pot for all Capsuleers regardless of their political or ethical standpoint.
You're welcome to have a channel for those who abide by CONCORD law and standing if you wish to keep it clean of criminal influence. When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first.-áAccept nothing, challenge everything. |

Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1150
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:30:00 -
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Something else I feel I should add;
I often find it the height of irony that the most -despised- capsuleers... the "psychopaths" and mass murderers that are the least loved among New Eden, have made some of the best and most even-handed moderators in the Summit.
And more irony here, the ones that often crow about injustice and common morality end up being the most biased and rabble-rousing malcontents I've ever seen.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
255
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:31:00 -
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Perhaps that's the key point here.
The Summit isn't neutral. It has degraded into the foul corner of New Eden where all the criminals get to hang out and are protected from the wrath of their actions.
So entirely disgusting... |

Saber1
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:34:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote:Perhaps that's the key point here.
The Summit isn't neutral. It has degraded into the foul corner of New Eden where all the criminals get to hang out and are protected from the wrath of their actions.
So entirely disgusting...
Now you see why I don't go there. Even the description of the channel is misleading.  |

Ivanneth Maethor
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
0
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:35:00 -
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It does seem that Ms Dea's primary concern is that she objects, not to Tiberious but to the involvement of Nation supporters in the channel in general. However, the Summit, if I am not mistaken, exists for the purposes of discourse among loyalists of all factions -- or none -- and as such in the nature of fairness and civil discourse, this is a situation which ought to exist, anyway. If anything, I think we're LACKING moderators from one or two factions, which should be remedied. |

Aura'lynn Vindaktris
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:38:00 -
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Ivanneth Maethor wrote:It does seem that Ms Dea's primary concern is that she objects, not to Tiberious but to the involvement of Nation supporters in the channel in general. However, the Summit, if I am not mistaken, exists for the purposes of discourse among loyalists of all factions -- or none -- and as such in the nature of fairness and civil discourse, this is a situation which ought to exist, anyway. If anything, I think we're LACKING moderators from one or two factions, which should be remedied.
Which factions?
Signed, A Curious Party
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