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Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
248
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Posted - 2013.10.31 18:52:00 -
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A curious question. After a recent bump into The Summit channel and frequent visits to this forum, I find myself absolutely baffled at the hate posed toward Tibus Heth, Empress Jamyl, or any of these other characters of the various factions.
Yet not even a blink of Sansha Kuvakei and his advocates here.
Moreso, how many of you knew that members of True Slave Foundations are actually moderators of The Summit, exercising their power to intervene the moment anyone brings up a subject they personally don't like?
(No channel rules were violated or were going to be violated during this process in any way.)
SoGǪ Trillons have died, been abducted, stolen, and placed into one man's vision of a utopia who is at war with all the societies we each voice for.
And we are completely fine with their minions running our Summit?
JustGǪ mind.. blown.
Just another capsuleer, Isis |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3035
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Posted - 2013.10.31 18:56:00 -
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Sorry, I hate the toasters as much as the next guy but...when did Tiberious ever moderate something ...just because he didn't like it? If it was all Empire loyalists it'd be a pretty biased situation, more than it supposedly is now. Right now, there's moderators from all the Empires, and just about all the criminal groups. The place itself is owned by an Amarr Bishop of crying out loud. He isn't bitching now is he?
The point is this; it's balanced. I'm a psycho who'd happily see a few of 'em dead and it's no secret I flat out hate a few. But at the end of the day, they are professionally respectable in their job on the Summit. It's as balanced as it can get with humans at the wheel. But hey there's always gotta be one person unhappy with **** for one little reason or the other right?
Or are you just mad they don't put up with your horse **** edginess everyday?
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Sofia Roseburn
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
60
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Posted - 2013.10.31 19:04:00 -
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Oh goodness this is just the best cripple fight. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
347
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Posted - 2013.10.31 19:06:00 -
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Where did I put that Grideris brand popcorn.... |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
180
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Posted - 2013.10.31 19:07:00 -
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Ssshh. No rocking the boat. It's not as if the situation exists because of entirely out of c... ontrol reasons or anything. Besides, if you don't like it, there's always the official Intergalactic Summit channel. No Sansha moderating that. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Malcolm Khross
Azure Industrial Technologies
1011
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Posted - 2013.10.31 19:18:00 -
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While I cannot speak for everyone, I can link you to several of my own communications where I have been as equally outspoken against Kuvakei (in fact, moreso) as I have been about Tibus Heth.
I openly oppose both though, so the point is somewhat moot. Ultimately what is said here or in "The Summit" channel is of little worth unless our actions match them. ~Malcolm Khross
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Sofia Roseburn
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
61
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Posted - 2013.10.31 19:18:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:Ssshh. No rocking the boat. It's not as if the situation exists because of entirely out of c... ontrol reasons or anything. Besides, if you don't like it, there's always the official Intergalactic Summit channel. No Sansha moderating that.
To be fair there's nobody moderating that. Still, there are those that have sand in places that it shouldn't be in enough quantities that it makes them unpleasant people to be around.
Good riddance to them. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
180
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Posted - 2013.10.31 19:20:00 -
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Sofia Roseburn wrote:Jinari Otsito wrote:Ssshh. No rocking the boat. It's not as if the situation exists because of entirely out of c... ontrol reasons or anything. Besides, if you don't like it, there's always the official Intergalactic Summit channel. No Sansha moderating that. To be fair there's nobody moderating that. Still, there are those that have sand in places that it shouldn't be in enough quantities that it makes them unpleasant people to be around. Good riddance to them.
Sounds familiar. Almost like... a Dea, if you will. No, that's not quite right. I'm sure it'll come to me. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1793
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Posted - 2013.10.31 19:36:00 -
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Ahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha AHHHHhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha haha hahahaha |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1146
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Posted - 2013.10.31 19:52:00 -
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Sofia Roseburn wrote:Oh goodness this is just the best cripple fight.
Never go full cripple.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
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Saber1
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:00:00 -
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Normally I would avoid such topics but while the show here isGǪ how does she put it? cute?
-This has always been a reason (among others) that has kept me out of that channel and typically out of the IGS in general. Perhaps I partially do agree in fact with the crazy woman. There are a number of problems there and here. |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
349
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:10:00 -
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Is this the part of the holovid where we learn that the nonTSF moderators are in fact True Slave sleeper agents? I always thought there was something off about that Starfire character. And that romance plot thread between Pieter and the Condor? It just screams plot twist once you get past chapter......wait, what were we talking about again? |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1147
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:10:00 -
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Saber1 wrote:Normally I would avoid such topics but while the show here isGǪ how does she put it? cute?
-This has always been a reason (among others) that has kept me out of that channel and typically out of the IGS in general. Perhaps I partially do agree in fact with the crazy woman. There are a number of problems there and here.
Give specific examples.
As a moderator of that channel if my intent were truly to act according to my whims I can promise you the channel membership would be significantly curtailed, and several of the 'rules' for appropriate visual displays and conversation would be nullified.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Saber1
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:16:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Saber1 wrote:Normally I would avoid such topics but while the show here isGǪ how does she put it? cute?
-This has always been a reason (among others) that has kept me out of that channel and typically out of the IGS in general. Perhaps I partially do agree in fact with the crazy woman. There are a number of problems there and here. Give specific examples. As a moderator of that channel if my intent were truly to act according to my whims I can promise you the channel membership would be significantly curtailed, and several of the 'rules' for appropriate visual displays and conversation would be nullified.
Perhaps there were people there who were alongside the crazy woman? Moreso, she does say no rules were actually breached.
But a more in character question I think she aims to ask which I happen to agree with: why is he a moderator in the first place? |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1795
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:18:00 -
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Saber1 wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Saber1 wrote:Normally I would avoid such topics but while the show here isGǪ how does she put it? cute?
-This has always been a reason (among others) that has kept me out of that channel and typically out of the IGS in general. Perhaps I partially do agree in fact with the crazy woman. There are a number of problems there and here. Give specific examples. As a moderator of that channel if my intent were truly to act according to my whims I can promise you the channel membership would be significantly curtailed, and several of the 'rules' for appropriate visual displays and conversation would be nullified. Perhaps there were people there who were alongside the crazy woman? Moreso, she does say no rules were actually breached. EDIT: A more in-character question from me: why is he a moderator in the first place?
She was also not moderated or threatened with moderation. Someone is attempting to brew a tempest in a teapot and it is hilarious. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1148
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:19:00 -
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Saber1 wrote: A more in-character question from me: why is he a moderator in the first place?
Because the man has more tact and capable judgement in his artificial pinky than most of you troglodytes do in your whole being.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
253
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:27:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Saber1 wrote: A more in-character question from me: why is he a moderator in the first place? Because the man has more tact and capable judgement in his artificial pinky than most of you troglodytes do in your whole being.
A True SlaveGǪ You're making that statement about a True Slave.
Clearly you must be a seeded Sansha agent to make such a statement.
Perhaps this entire forum and that channel become a host for these True Slaves after all!
Just another fact making it more and more disgusting to call myself a capsuleer these days. |
Saber1
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:30:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Saber1 wrote: A more in-character question from me: why is he a moderator in the first place? Because the man has more tact and capable judgement in his artificial pinky than most of you troglodytes do in your whole being.
Edit: retracted.
Not even going to waste my time. |
Constantin Baracca
185
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:38:00 -
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How many people do we agree with? If I was averse to stepping into territory simply because there might be someone around whose views I found abhorrent, I would never have left my own little planet.
Honestly, I'm simply not afraid of the Sansha. I wouldn't see why I should leave or lodge a complaint simply because they happen to be here. If Tibus Heth were on the IGS, I would likewise say that I am not going anywhere. There are people here I would be much more worried about than anti-culturalists. My pity and dislike for them isn't a reason to stop speaking on an open forum. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2339
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:43:00 -
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Does this mean we can permanently ban anybody who posts against us in this thread?
.. please?!
Come on, I want to brutally oppress people! Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
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Zsaryna Adrelana
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
128
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:43:00 -
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Crazy woman, on the summit. Isn't that the norm? On a side note, it's a good thing that the moderation team includes representatives from all backgrounds, including the TSF. That way someone on the moderating team will understand cultural contexts for certain remarks . This post does not constitute, unless clearly indicated otherwise, a statement of policy, opinion or approval by my corporation, alliance or coalition and should not be treated as such. |
Viktrix Vhymidor
House Vhymidor
0
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:46:00 -
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Doesn't the crazy woman have interests with Diana Kim?
Possible smokescreen? |
Saber1
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:53:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote: Just another fact making it more and more disgusting to call myself a capsuleer these days.
The point. If there is one. Best you let it sit with that, Isis. Since the days of Veto, more and more capsuleers are drifting toward the scum-soaked sides of EVE. In the past, you've said this is one of the more interesting facts of this community. Now it's time to eat your own words.
I miss the days The Summit really was neutral ground. Moreso, I miss the days The Summit was further endorsed by the greater powers. Who can blame them now, we're all scum. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
280
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:53:00 -
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It is rather vile that the Summit permits moderation from those who are enemies of all the empires. |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
253
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:03:00 -
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Viktrix Vhymidor wrote:Doesn't the crazy woman have interests with Diana Kim?
Possible smokescreen?
The only smokescreen here is those trying to hide the fact that there is a threat far worse than any seeded Federal influencer or Imperial heretic, and it brews from within this forum and what has been advocated the meeting ground channel for all four of our empires.
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3636
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:06:00 -
[26] - Quote
Saber1 wrote:Since the days of Veto, more and more capsuleers are drifting toward the scum-soaked sides of EVE. Hey, leave Veto out of this. At least they had standards.
Like refusing to work with, oh, say, the Sansha, even though the Guristas are technically allied with them. Mane 614
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
182
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:08:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Saber1 wrote:Since the days of Veto, more and more capsuleers are drifting toward the scum-soaked sides of EVE. Hey, leave Veto out of this. At least they had standards. Like refusing to work with, oh, say, the Sansha, even though the Guristas are technically allied with them.
I said SSSHHH! Double standards, lack of standards and standardized excuses are not to be spoken of. Can't have such things getting in the way, can we? It'd be inconvenient and ****. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Zanzibar Heroshima
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
24
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:09:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Saber1 wrote:Since the days of Veto, more and more capsuleers are drifting toward the scum-soaked sides of EVE. Hey, leave Veto out of this. At least they had standards. Like refusing to work with, oh, say, the Sansha, even though the Guristas are technically allied with them.
Not to rain on your parade, TS-F worked with Veto on several operations. |
Sofia Roseburn
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
64
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:16:00 -
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Zanzibar Heroshima wrote:Not to rain on your parade, TS-F worked with Veto on several operations.
You're totally raining on his parade, and it's great because it was a joke from the outset. Much like the entire pretext of this thread. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
Saber1
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:17:00 -
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Zanzibar Heroshima wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Saber1 wrote:Since the days of Veto, more and more capsuleers are drifting toward the scum-soaked sides of EVE. Hey, leave Veto out of this. At least they had standards. Like refusing to work with, oh, say, the Sansha, even though the Guristas are technically allied with them. Not to rain on your parade, TS-F worked with Veto on several operations.
As said, scum. |
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Vincent Pryce
Stormcrows
97
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:18:00 -
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Zanzibar Heroshima wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Saber1 wrote:Since the days of Veto, more and more capsuleers are drifting toward the scum-soaked sides of EVE. Hey, leave Veto out of this. At least they had standards. Like refusing to work with, oh, say, the Sansha, even though the Guristas are technically allied with them. Not to rain on your parade, TS-F worked with Veto on several operations.
M'yes it was sad to see once great entity slumming around like that. I guess that is what Syndicate does to you. Vincent Pryce Archangel of Asakai |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1795
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:34:00 -
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Let me make a small defense:
I'm the most neutral moderator in the summit.
No really. Let me explain.
My official policy since joining the Foundations (I was put in place as a moderator while an Amarr loyalist) has been to avoid taking any sides when it comes to the moderation of anyone in the Foundations, or with Nation ties.
When it comes to the rest of you, who are the vast majority, I am entirely neutral in my lookout from one person to the next. I have always striven to moderate based entirely on the actions of individual members. I don't take sides based on ideologies because all of your ideologies are equally abhorrent to me.
The second issue is "What power do I actually have as a moderator of the summit"
The answer is none. I usually spend my hours in the thankless, volunteer task trying to keep people from murdering their crews, or making blatant racist comments. And I never, ever, get involved in an official capacity with any argument that I am part of, so its actually been MORE possible to ***** about Nation with me around than with me not around.
In the case of the OP, I got into an argument with her about her statements that Sex Slavery was an entirely valid "profession", and called her dumb. I did not moderate, or threaten to moderate. They have literally nothing to complain about from an official capacity, unless they want the moderation team to start getting even harsher in terms of moderation.
So, with that said
Thanks very much for your concern, I will take it under advisement. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2341
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:40:00 -
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Sex obsessed firecracker gets told off.
Modules have been rustled.
So business as usual then, Tiberious? Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1795
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:42:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Sex obsessed firecracker gets told off.
Modules have been rustled.
So business as usual then, Tiberious?
P. much.
Should also note that the only time moderation got brought up as a thing was when the OP tried to bait me into banning her and I refused. |
Liuni Kalthis
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:42:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Ahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha AHHHHhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha haha hahahaha
I don't always agree with Sansha followers but when I do....
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Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
254
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:46:00 -
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Fine, Saber. I'll eat my words but raise you this!
As far as I was tracking, The Summit was SUPPOSED (after some digging) to function similar to the CONCORD Assembly for the immortals. A place of neutral ground for the four empires and their capsuleers within.
For as we all know it is impossible to be neutral to ALL parties.
Everyone has an enemy, even the State.
But now there's a catch. So many have stated they're enemies of Sansha but are they allowed to voice that in the channel. To undermine a Sansha speaker or even individually attack them, is to violate the rules of the channel. (Not what happened with my situation, my issue with the toaster was minor, it was resolved, and only got me into thinking about this bigger picture.)
God help the capsuleer who is a lone survivor of a Sansha incursion. They breathe one whiff of this community and that sponsored channel and all sense of justice is long goneGǪ
"YOU! You ******* took my family!"
Banned.
That's how it will go.
Maybe it won't be Sansha as the target audience, maybe it will be Blood Raiders. Maybe even Guristas.
Perhaps The Summit actually PROMOTES these activities as it shelters individuals involved with them from the wrath of the empires' immortal populace?
"Kill millions. You're fine if you're here. In fact, you seem nice and fair, here are some moderation controls. Go set good examples, fine sir."
So entirely sickening... |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
183
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:47:00 -
[37] - Quote
I have to say I can understand it when people question how the good folk who spend so much time trying to twirl mustaches, appear all "Kuvakei's Finest", and for that matter try to justify the greatest travesties to befall dirtsiders since we first started roaming the skies are given such preferential treatment.
There's entire lists of people tossed mammaries over posteriors out of places like the aforementioned Summit without having done much of anything in New Eden. People who on the other hand at least claim to stand side by side with those who do... face no consequences at all.
You can't say it doesn't look odd, Oni.
Edit: In no way or form does OTSI or it's CEO (me), capsuleer employees (me), dirtsider employees (not me) and starbase structures (kind of not me) endorse nor affiliate with that woman up above. She's kind of weird. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Liuni Kalthis
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:49:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote:Fine, Saber. I'll eat my words but raise you this!
As far as I was tracking, The Summit was SUPPOSED (after some digging) to function similar to the CONCORD Assembly for the immortals. A place of neutral ground for the four empires and their capsuleers within.
For as we all know it is impossible to be neutral to ALL parties.
Everyone has an enemy, even the State.
But now there's a catch. So many have stated they're enemies of Sansha but are they allowed to voice that in the channel. To undermine a Sansha speaker or even individually attack them, is to violate the rules of the channel. (Not what happened with my situation, my issue with the toaster was minor, it was resolved, and only got me into thinking about this bigger picture.)
God help the capsuleer who is a lone survivor of a Sansha incursion. They breathe one whiff of this community and that sponsored channel and all sense of justice is long goneGǪ
"YOU! You ******* took my family!"
Banned.
That's how it will go.
Maybe it won't be Sansha as the target audience, maybe it will be Blood Raiders. Maybe even Guristas.
Perhaps The Summit actually PROMOTES these activities as it shelters individuals involved with them from the wrath of the empires' immortal populace?
"Kill millions. You're fine if you're here. In fact, you seem nice and fair, here are some moderation controls. Go set good examples, fine sir."
So entirely sickening...
Considering channels change just like anything else in time, the most I've seen Tiberious ban someone for was showing their genitals on the channel. You are diving way too much into a channel where it bounces from politics to sex, then back to some sort of other sex way too seriously Isis.
If you don't like how things are ran or think there will be some doomsday due to the Summit I'd suggest you either join the Sphere or something else of that nature. |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
254
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:54:00 -
[39] - Quote
Liuni Kalthis wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Fine, Saber. I'll eat my words but raise you this!
As far as I was tracking, The Summit was SUPPOSED (after some digging) to function similar to the CONCORD Assembly for the immortals. A place of neutral ground for the four empires and their capsuleers within.
For as we all know it is impossible to be neutral to ALL parties.
Everyone has an enemy, even the State.
But now there's a catch. So many have stated they're enemies of Sansha but are they allowed to voice that in the channel. To undermine a Sansha speaker or even individually attack them, is to violate the rules of the channel. (Not what happened with my situation, my issue with the toaster was minor, it was resolved, and only got me into thinking about this bigger picture.)
God help the capsuleer who is a lone survivor of a Sansha incursion. They breathe one whiff of this community and that sponsored channel and all sense of justice is long goneGǪ
"YOU! You ******* took my family!"
Banned.
That's how it will go.
Maybe it won't be Sansha as the target audience, maybe it will be Blood Raiders. Maybe even Guristas.
Perhaps The Summit actually PROMOTES these activities as it shelters individuals involved with them from the wrath of the empires' immortal populace?
"Kill millions. You're fine if you're here. In fact, you seem nice and fair, here are some moderation controls. Go set good examples, fine sir."
So entirely sickening... Considering channels change just like anything else in time, the most I've seen Tiberious ban someone for was showing their genitals on the channel. You are diving way too much into a channel where it bounces from politics to sex, then back to some sort of other sex way too seriously Isis. If you don't like how things are ran or think there will be some doomsday due to the Summit I'd suggest you either join the Sphere or something else of that nature.
Scroll up, the question isn't about him banning people. The question is why is it him banning people?
He and his entire corp are enemies of all New Eden.
THAT PART. GǪis the problem here. |
Liuni Kalthis
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:55:00 -
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Because people sometimes show their genitals on the channel. |
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Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
254
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:00:00 -
[41] - Quote
Liuni Kalthis wrote:Because people sometimes show their genitals on the channel and the other moderators aren't always on.
There.. is.. an entire community of more neutral and qualified people to pull from for moderatorsGǪ The question still stands. Why are they voicing and/or moderating when their very presence insights the wrath of all four of our founding races and their communities? |
Liuni Kalthis
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:03:00 -
[42] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Liuni Kalthis wrote:Because people sometimes show their genitals on the channel and the other moderators aren't always on. There.. is.. an entire community of more neutral and qualified people to pull from for moderatorsGǪ The question still stands. Why are they voicing and/or moderating when their very presence insights the wrath of all four of our founding races and their communities?
Because when asked those more neutral and qualified people said "Hell no" is my guess. |
Viktrix Vhymidor
House Vhymidor
1
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:04:00 -
[43] - Quote
Is it possible to contact the owner of the channel and get them removed from moderation?
I mean, surprised no one else has asked.
Is the Amarrian-bishop-guy still around? |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
254
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:08:00 -
[44] - Quote
Liuni Kalthis wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Liuni Kalthis wrote:Because people sometimes show their genitals on the channel and the other moderators aren't always on. There.. is.. an entire community of more neutral and qualified people to pull from for moderatorsGǪ The question still stands. Why are they voicing and/or moderating when their very presence insights the wrath of all four of our founding races and their communities? Because when asked those more neutral and qualified people said "Hell no" is my guess.
With the number of other channels functioning in similar operation, no wonder I'm laughing so hysterically at that statement.
I think you need to go back to the academy and retake your social behavior classes. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2342
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:10:00 -
[45] - Quote
Viktrix Vhymidor wrote:Is it possible to contact the owner of the channel and get them removed from moderation?
I mean, surprised no one else has asked.
Is the Amarrian-bishop-guy still around?
Yes. Feel free to contact Cardinal Graelyn and request Tiberious' removal. Be sure to suggest Isis Dea as his replacement.
I'm sure he could use a good laugh. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Liuni Kalthis
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:12:00 -
[46] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Liuni Kalthis wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Liuni Kalthis wrote:Because people sometimes show their genitals on the channel and the other moderators aren't always on. There.. is.. an entire community of more neutral and qualified people to pull from for moderatorsGǪ The question still stands. Why are they voicing and/or moderating when their very presence insights the wrath of all four of our founding races and their communities? Because when asked those more neutral and qualified people said "Hell no" is my guess. With the number of other channels functioning in similar operation, no wonder I'm laughing so hysterically at that statement. I think you need to go back to the academy and retake your social behavior classes.
You could always throw your application in to become a moderator I guess Isis, but I don't know of another channel the Faction commanders frequent as much as the Summit. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1263
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:12:00 -
[47] - Quote
While I strongly hold my objections against the TSF and keep things as civil as the rules of the Summit dictate, and no further, I will state one truth, even if it goes in their favour.
No moderator associated with the TSF, Kuvakei, or Sansha's Nation has ever banned or disciplined me for my very vocal dislike against them, even in times where I've not held back on speaking my mind with a very blunt nature.
While I may hold a very negative set of opinions regarding Thessalonia's political and ethical statuses, I've never seen him moderate The Summit with any sense of favouritism or bias, it's his one redeeming quality in fact. While that does not justify his many damning characteristics, it's unfair to make false accusation against him regardless.
This does not reflect my opinion regarding my personal opinion on the subject Captain Dea raised, but I thought I'd at least clear up some of the false accusations made. When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first.-áAccept nothing, challenge everything. |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
350
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:12:00 -
[48] - Quote
Pilot Dea, your issue seems to be sand in places that we have alot of enemies. The Amarr Empire too has alot of enemies. However like the Empire we also have allies. So, in your opinion, what percentage of New Eden has to hate me before I am magically incapable of being neutral in a setting that requires it for continued diplomatic operation? |
Saber1
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:15:00 -
[49] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:Viktrix Vhymidor wrote:Is it possible to contact the owner of the channel and get them removed from moderation?
I mean, surprised no one else has asked.
Is the Amarrian-bishop-guy still around? Yes. Feel free to contact Cardinal Graelyn and request Tiberious' removal. Be sure to suggest Isis Dea as his replacement. I'm sure he could use a good laugh.
Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not familiar with who is or isn't a moderator on there. As said, I've greatly despised that channel.
But wouldn't you, Katrina, not be a more suitable candidate for moderation?
You're entirely neutral and fair, where I have seen you voice here within the IGS. And you represent a legal front within one of the four factions. Your face is known. You would only need to enforce apparently the use of genitals in the channel it seems...
You'd have my vote. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2174
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:17:00 -
[50] - Quote
Saber1 wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:Viktrix Vhymidor wrote:Is it possible to contact the owner of the channel and get them removed from moderation?
I mean, surprised no one else has asked.
Is the Amarrian-bishop-guy still around? Yes. Feel free to contact Cardinal Graelyn and request Tiberious' removal. Be sure to suggest Isis Dea as his replacement. I'm sure he could use a good laugh. Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not familiar with who is or isn't a moderator on there. As said, I've greatly despised that channel. But wouldn't you, Katrina, not be a more suitable candidate for moderation? You're entirely neutral and fair, where I have seen you voice here within the IGS. And you represent a legal front within one of the four factions. Your face is known. You would only need to enforce apparently the use of genitals in the channel it seems... You'd have my vote.
She's already a moderator, although I'm not disposed to hand over command authority over my genitals to her.
Not without dinner, anyway.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2342
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:22:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: She's already a moderator, although I'm not disposed to hand over command authority over my genitals to her.
Not without dinner, anyway.
I believe your wife already has complete command over them anyways.
Quote:Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not familiar with who is or isn't a moderator on there. As said, I've greatly despised that channel.
But wouldn't you, Katrina, not be a more suitable candidate for moderation?
You're entirely neutral and fair, where I have seen you voice here within the IGS. And you represent a legal front within one of the four factions. Your face is known. You would only need to enforce apparently the use of genitals in the channel it seems...
You'd have my vote.
Your vote of confidence is both heartwarming and wholly appreciated.
I do try. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
254
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:25:00 -
[52] - Quote
Evi Polevhia wrote:Pilot Dea, your issue seems to be sand in places that we have alot of enemies. The Amarr Empire too has alot of enemies. However like the Empire we also have allies. So, in your opinion, what percentage of New Eden has to hate me before I am magically incapable of being neutral in a setting that requires it for continued diplomatic operation?
It's not the percentage of hate, as Saber put, it is the question of legality.
You are an enemy of all four empires.
You aren't neutral. You're a heart-ripping reminder of injustice at large, regardless of whoever you support.
And for you drift aimlessly around as a neutral party only infuriates those who've suffered to that injustice further, especially from a place of moderation.
Yet it isn't just you. It is every illegal or envisioned evil party that is empowered to moderate or have a large say within this community.
I'll swallow the Amarr, my kind and them will always be enemies that have to find new ways to tolerate each other.
But Sansha? And God knows who comes next?
**** no.
This is New Eden. Even the law-abiding community gets a say. Especially what it comes to the grounds of what should be neutral across the four empires. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1150
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:27:00 -
[53] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote: He and his entire corp are enemies of all New Eden.
THAT PART. GǪis the problem for I and I'm sure a number of others here.
Laughably false. Omir's sect and Nation are fast friends, as is my own.
Back to the topic, perhaps you should start your own channel if you find the environment so atrocious to your standards.
Or, maybe complain some more.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Graelyn
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
491
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:27:00 -
[54] - Quote
Saber1 wrote:Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not familiar with who is or isn't a moderator on there. As said, I've greatly despised that channel.
But wouldn't you, Katrina, not be a more suitable candidate for moderation?
Katrina is a moderator.
You seem to have zero knowledge of the channel at hand.
You also repeatedly bleat your strong opinions, and opposition of it.
You have a deep-seated hatred of something of which you have no knowledge whatsoever.
There is a word for that. This word describes and defines everything you say and do. + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" Amarr Loyalist of the Year --áYC113 |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1263
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:27:00 -
[55] - Quote
The only issue is that the Summit is not a community exclusive to law abiding citizens of the four Empires. It's a melting pot for all Capsuleers regardless of their political or ethical standpoint.
You're welcome to have a channel for those who abide by CONCORD law and standing if you wish to keep it clean of criminal influence. When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first.-áAccept nothing, challenge everything. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1150
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:30:00 -
[56] - Quote
Something else I feel I should add;
I often find it the height of irony that the most -despised- capsuleers... the "psychopaths" and mass murderers that are the least loved among New Eden, have made some of the best and most even-handed moderators in the Summit.
And more irony here, the ones that often crow about injustice and common morality end up being the most biased and rabble-rousing malcontents I've ever seen.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
255
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:31:00 -
[57] - Quote
Perhaps that's the key point here.
The Summit isn't neutral. It has degraded into the foul corner of New Eden where all the criminals get to hang out and are protected from the wrath of their actions.
So entirely disgusting... |
Saber1
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:34:00 -
[58] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Perhaps that's the key point here.
The Summit isn't neutral. It has degraded into the foul corner of New Eden where all the criminals get to hang out and are protected from the wrath of their actions.
So entirely disgusting...
Now you see why I don't go there. Even the description of the channel is misleading. |
Ivanneth Maethor
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
0
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:35:00 -
[59] - Quote
It does seem that Ms Dea's primary concern is that she objects, not to Tiberious but to the involvement of Nation supporters in the channel in general. However, the Summit, if I am not mistaken, exists for the purposes of discourse among loyalists of all factions -- or none -- and as such in the nature of fairness and civil discourse, this is a situation which ought to exist, anyway. If anything, I think we're LACKING moderators from one or two factions, which should be remedied. |
Aura'lynn Vindaktris
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:38:00 -
[60] - Quote
Ivanneth Maethor wrote:It does seem that Ms Dea's primary concern is that she objects, not to Tiberious but to the involvement of Nation supporters in the channel in general. However, the Summit, if I am not mistaken, exists for the purposes of discourse among loyalists of all factions -- or none -- and as such in the nature of fairness and civil discourse, this is a situation which ought to exist, anyway. If anything, I think we're LACKING moderators from one or two factions, which should be remedied.
Which factions?
Signed, A Curious Party
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Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
352
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:40:00 -
[61] - Quote
Aura'lynn Vindaktris wrote:Ivanneth Maethor wrote:It does seem that Ms Dea's primary concern is that she objects, not to Tiberious but to the involvement of Nation supporters in the channel in general. However, the Summit, if I am not mistaken, exists for the purposes of discourse among loyalists of all factions -- or none -- and as such in the nature of fairness and civil discourse, this is a situation which ought to exist, anyway. If anything, I think we're LACKING moderators from one or two factions, which should be remedied. Which factions? Signed, A Curious Party Serpentis, Gurista? I would say EoM but they are a bit too special. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1797
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:42:00 -
[62] - Quote
Ivanneth Maethor wrote:It does seem that Ms Dea's primary concern is that she objects, not to Tiberious but to the involvement of Nation supporters in the channel in general. However, the Summit, if I am not mistaken, exists for the purposes of discourse among loyalists of all factions -- or none -- and as such in the nature of fairness and civil discourse, this is a situation which ought to exist, anyway. If anything, I think we're LACKING moderators from one or two factions, which should be remedied.
We're always looking, but the issue is finding someone who is both a member of a faction AND a suitable moderator.
Right now we lack a Gallentean loyalist moderator, for example, but no one suitable has popped into, nor have we had any volunteers. |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
264
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:44:00 -
[63] - Quote
Evi Polevhia wrote:Aura'lynn Vindaktris wrote:Ivanneth Maethor wrote:It does seem that Ms Dea's primary concern is that she objects, not to Tiberious but to the involvement of Nation supporters in the channel in general. However, the Summit, if I am not mistaken, exists for the purposes of discourse among loyalists of all factions -- or none -- and as such in the nature of fairness and civil discourse, this is a situation which ought to exist, anyway. If anything, I think we're LACKING moderators from one or two factions, which should be remedied. Which factions? Signed, A Curious Party Serpentis, Gurista? I would say EoM but they are a bit too special.
The Summit = Home of criminal. Minus a few parties. No attacks and drama please. Mind you, we already own all the seats of power, no contending the other invested parties.
So entirely disgusting...
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Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
352
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:46:00 -
[64] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:Aura'lynn Vindaktris wrote:Ivanneth Maethor wrote:It does seem that Ms Dea's primary concern is that she objects, not to Tiberious but to the involvement of Nation supporters in the channel in general. However, the Summit, if I am not mistaken, exists for the purposes of discourse among loyalists of all factions -- or none -- and as such in the nature of fairness and civil discourse, this is a situation which ought to exist, anyway. If anything, I think we're LACKING moderators from one or two factions, which should be remedied. Which factions? Signed, A Curious Party Serpentis, Gurista? I would say EoM but they are a bit too special. The Summit = Home of criminal. Minus a few parties. No attacks and drama please. Mind you, we already own all the seats of power, no contending the other invested parties. So entirely disgusting...
Maybe it was incorrect of me to strike out my sand comment. |
Ivanneth Maethor
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:51:00 -
[65] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote: Serpentis, Gurista? I would say EoM but they are a bit too special.
The Summit = Home of criminal. Minus a few parties. No attacks and drama please. Mind you, we already own all the seats of power, no contending the other invested parties. So entirely disgusting... Yes, we're lacking Gallente and Minmatar representation. No offense to Ms Starfire, but Stormcrows are registered under Mordu's Legion. There's also a lack of representation from the Sisters of EVE, I believe, and SOCT. I would not expect CONCORD representation du to their neutrality. |
Saber1
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:52:00 -
[66] - Quote
Evi Polevhia wrote: Maybe it was incorrect of me to strike out my sand comment.
I'll give the crazy woman points for persistence. But that's about it.
Interesting to see how one-sided this entire discussion has gone. |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
352
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:55:00 -
[67] - Quote
Ivanneth Maethor wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote: Serpentis, Gurista? I would say EoM but they are a bit too special.
The Summit = Home of criminal. Minus a few parties. No attacks and drama please. Mind you, we already own all the seats of power, no contending the other invested parties. So entirely disgusting... Yes, we're lacking Gallente and Minmatar representation. No offense to Ms Starfire, but Stormcrows are registered under Mordu's Legion. There's also a lack of representation from the Sisters of EVE, I believe, and SOCT. I would not expect CONCORD representation du to their neutrality.
Not that I can speak for them in any capacity, but I would think the SoE and SoCT would also remain neutral in nearly every regard. Them having a diplomatic representative to a neutral meeting ground would serve little purpose. |
Ivanneth Maethor
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:56:00 -
[68] - Quote
Saber1 wrote:Ivanneth Maethor wrote:I would not expect CONCORD representation due to their neutrality. Please. Never. The channel is loathed enough as it is. I have no recollection of your presence in the channel anyway, why would it therefore even matter to you? |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
186
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:59:00 -
[69] - Quote
To be, for once, serious. There is an actual problem with places like The Summit and other "open" places. It's been mentioned repeatedly over the last few years almost every time there's been new ventures pioneered or projects considered. "Open" places allowing everyone in, will by default mean a lot of people are prohibited if they have certain standards.
If one does not want to rub shoulders with criminals, then places where criminals are prolific become off limits. If you don't want to rub shoulders with Feddies, you aren't going to consider the Crystal Boulevard as the first choice to visit. If you have principles that keep you from mingling with Sansha, places that welcome them and are even moderated by a representative of theirs will be barred from entry.
The simple solution is of course to throw all principles and standards to the wind. This should be recognized by everyone as less than ideal. These principles and standards are valuable to many, essential to some and should be preserved. In effect, no matter how unbiased, fair and professional the moderation is, the very presence proclaims loudly to the entire cluster that you are not welcome if you're not willing to mingle with the Sansha, Blooders and whoever else now holds claim there.
This is not a fair thing to ask, if the Summit is supposed to be for "everyone", because that means it's just for the "everyone" that populates or tolerates the populace of one end of the scale of civilization. The other side of it is, without the actual words, told to either suck it up or go away.
Is this really a good thing for a place of diplomacy and community? Is this something that benefits the capsuleers of New Eden, really?
I can't say I have the answers, but I certainly can understand that the questions are raised. Of course, they're just going to be ridiculed and ignored this time as well, but I don't think it benefits anyone if they go entirely silent either. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1797
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Posted - 2013.10.31 23:10:00 -
[70] - Quote
Jinari Otsito wrote:To be, for once, serious. There is an actual problem with places like The Summit and other "open" places. It's been mentioned repeatedly over the last few years almost every time there's been new ventures pioneered or projects considered. "Open" places allowing everyone in, will by default mean a lot of people are prohibited if they have certain standards.
If one does not want to rub shoulders with criminals, then places where criminals are prolific become off limits. If you don't want to rub shoulders with Feddies, you aren't going to consider the Crystal Boulevard as the first choice to visit. If you have principles that keep you from mingling with Sansha, places that welcome them and are even moderated by a representative of theirs will be barred from entry.
The simple solution is of course to throw all principles and standards to the wind. This should be recognized by everyone as less than ideal. These principles and standards are valuable to many, essential to some and should be preserved. In effect, no matter how unbiased, fair and professional the moderation is, the very presence proclaims loudly to the entire cluster that you are not welcome if you're not willing to mingle with the Sansha, Blooders and whoever else now holds claim there.
This is not a fair thing to ask, if the Summit is supposed to be for "everyone", because that means it's just for the "everyone" that populates or tolerates the populace of one end of the scale of civilization. The other side of it is, without the actual words, told to either suck it up or go away.
Is this really a good thing for a place of diplomacy and community? Is this something that benefits the capsuleers of New Eden, really?
I can't say I have the answers, but I certainly can understand that the questions are raised. Of course, they're just going to be ridiculed and ignored this time as well, but I don't think it benefits anyone if they go entirely silent either.
People are free to set up alternate channels as they wish. I believe an Amarrians Only alternative exists and has been quite successful.
On the other hand, "Moderation free" versions of the same channel have tended to flounder and dissapear
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1263
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Posted - 2013.10.31 23:11:00 -
[71] - Quote
Ivanneth Maethor wrote: I would not expect CONCORD representation du to their neutrality.
It would also require a Capsuleer loyal to CONCORD that enjoys bashing their head against a solid object repeatedly in frustration.
Last I checked, we're a rare breed as it is, and while I respect the moderators of the Summit for their work, I've no desire to step in their shoes. When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first.-áAccept nothing, challenge everything. |
Reeves Todako
Caldari Corn Paste
61
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Posted - 2013.10.31 23:17:00 -
[72] - Quote
Miss Isis, let me tell you about my dear ole Aunt Raile. Raile once got very irritable and angry at all the small inconsequential parts of life. Eventually we discovered she had a rash, a terrible one that she had hid from her family and friends. On a whim, she tried one of our classic flavors 'Sea of Huimoto'. Crazy, they called her. Raile was always a trailblazer. And wouldn't you know it, the 'Sea of Huimoto' flavor of Caldari Corn Paste cleared that rash right up! She went back to her old self, happy and friendly.
We are having a special on economy size orders of 'Sea of Huimoto' for all of your needs. Please contact me to place an order. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
186
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Posted - 2013.10.31 23:19:00 -
[73] - Quote
People do set up alternate channels. In fact, I do believe there are official channels for the exact same purpose as The Summit. That's not the point, though, is it? There is for all intents and purposes just one channel that's there for "everyone", simply due to old habits, weight of numbers and out of... control... reasons. As it were. The problems outlined above doesn't just disappear just because people can make Teh Sumiit or derivatives thereof.
It's not about moderation either. Moderation is welcome. You've been a good one, for all I know. It's about actually welcoming everyone. The only way to welcome everyone, is to block and bar someone from entry. When that traitor set up Arek'jalaan, many were interested but weren't able to participate as it quickly became for all intents and purposes drowned in criminals and cultists of all sorts. We see the same thing with the Summit.
That alternatives exist does not make the problems disappear, particularly when the only official alternative is entirely unmoderated. Right now as I set up this missive, that sad fact is all too apparent as someone is claiming to be scratching my teeth.
So is that truly your only solution, Tiberious? "Go away"? Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2345
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Posted - 2013.10.31 23:45:00 -
[74] - Quote
I think perhaps you draw black and white choices when there are scales of grey being used instead.
You suggest the logical fallacy that by inviting everyone, we bar entry to others. They bar entry to themselves, and the consequences for those choices lay with only themselves - no matter how much they flail around on the floor in a fit of indignation. If they choose not to associate with certain groups, such is their choice.
Tiberious' answer was not to simply say 'go away'. It was to point out that those choices reside with the attendees of the channel, not the channel itself.
Isis Dea is free to exclude herself from The Summit due to issue with Tiberious as a member of Nation, as is anyone else - but doing so is their own choice unless and until their behavior becomes issue enough for the moderators to make that choice for them. Until then, she (and everybody else) will just need to accept the fact that, yes, he is a moderator. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Arista Shahni
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
55
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Posted - 2013.10.31 23:49:00 -
[75] - Quote
I think what has not been pointed out is that True Slave, though Nation Loyalists, are not Nation. They can not speak for Kuvakei in any official capacity, the same way none of us can speak for our respective factions in an official capacity.
Isis, your self hatred is obvious, and has been obvious. This is not an insult. It is in a way, a compliment, as you are clear-eyed enough to see yourself as exactly what you are. But do realise that other people also see themselves as they are, and in a sense, as others are.
In the end, we are all capsuleers, under the tritanium fist of CONCORD, save an illegal cloning facility or two -- if they're even in operation or still functioning these days, as the data on them is rather old. This includes also the members of TS-F.
I may despise their views, because they conflict strongly with the ones I was raised to follow, nearly unconciously, as a citizen of the Kingdom. There are the views of quite a few people I despise. But at the end of the day when one murders thousands of baseliners a day regardless of faction standing or the self-justification used to fall asleep at night after the frequency crystals cool down and the weapons stop cycling, we are an a very real sense no longer truly our factions, our origins, or our baseliner "histories".
Our loyalties as Capsule Pilots are considered fluid and dangerous because of the immensity of our ability to change the world around us, and we are all controlled for this exact reason, by the same organization -- CONCORD. Not The Empress, not the President of the Fed, not the CEO's of the megacorps, not the Tribal Leaders of the Republic, not the countless Alliance leads, Pirate commanders, or corporate CEOs.
Do not fool yourself that you are still playing Conquestors and Heathens [[translates as Cowboys and Indians, or Cops and Robbers, whichever is appropriate via the translators - you get the hint]]. You are a Capsuleer. TS-F are Capsuleers. The Summit is a comms channel for Capsuleers. "I was dreaming once, and I dreampt of a world where I was nothing more than a biological fitting; a slave to the machine and crew, instead of the other way around. Don't you wonder at how easy it would have been for this scenario to happen, instead of how it actually unfolded?" |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
186
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Posted - 2013.10.31 23:59:00 -
[76] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:I think perhaps you draw black and white choices when there are scales of grey being used instead.
You suggest the logical fallacy that by inviting everyone, we bar entry to others. They bar entry to themselves, and the consequences for those choices lay with only themselves - no matter how much they flail around on the floor in a fit of indignation. If they choose not to associate with certain groups, such is their choice.
Tiberious' answer was not to simply say 'go away'. It was to point out that those choices reside with the attendees of the channel, not the channel itself.
Isis Dea is free to exclude herself from The Summit due to issue with Tiberious as a member of Nation, as is anyone else - but doing so is their own choice unless and until their behavior becomes issue enough for the moderators to make that choice for them. Until then, she (and everybody else) will just need to accept the fact that, yes, he is a moderator.
So in short, once more, it becomes "throw away standards or go away". It is thus as I stated earlier, that those with standards, principles or morals that do not mix with Sansha (or Blooders, or whatever other truly horrific beasts plague New Eden) are barred from that place. What you in effect say is that if you seek a place open for all, but won't lay down with the worst criminals around, it is a "fit of indignation"?
I still don't have answers that will ever be considered such, but it remains an inescapable fact that those on the other side of the greyscale remain barred, as long as the only other choice is embracing the darkest greys in New Eden.
Is it truly so alien a concept that some may seek an open and free place to gather while retaining at least a semblance of civilization and morality? It's rather sad that even if it may be a minority, they are thus turned away no matter how much you pretend to welcome them. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
266
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:02:00 -
[77] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote: Isis Dea is free to exclude herself from The Summit due to issue with Tiberious as a member of Nation, as is anyone else - but doing so is their own choice unless and until their behavior becomes issue enough for the moderators to make that choice for them. Until then, she (and everybody else) will just need to accept the fact that, yes, he is a moderator.
There is no issue with Tiberious. There would have been had he taken issue with my involvement of the sex trade, while he is a walking advocate of mass abduction.
I will not be leaving but he won't have my respect as a character. He is an enemy of my people, of my friends, of all that I have stood to be as a capsuleer. There are many people I have kept close who suffer severely because of what his people have done and continue to do.
His opinions, and those within his corporate entity, are vile. They set off a hate that burns hotter than anything I hold against the Amarrians.
Sansha is evil.
I'm sure many share this opinion. I'll try my absolute damnedest not to let that get in way of my interactions on The Summit. But the longer I hold that back, the more it eats at me.
Am I letting down all those who are suffering because of their actions by not ripping them a new one every chance I get?
After all, that's what the victims are feelingGǪ
No promises.
I'm an immortal, already fighting for so many that aren't here today. It hurts enough as it is. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2345
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:05:00 -
[78] - Quote
That is not what I said. Nowhere in my post was anybody told to "go away". Do not put words into my mouth.
What I said was that they are free to choose whether or not to attend. That means exactly and only that. I am unsure what part of 'choice' you have difficulty understanding. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make. You seem to blame The Summit's open door policy for excluding people, and suggest that instead of what you claim is us excluding people, we should instead be excluding people.
As for the fit of indignation, that is more a jab at specific people who do indeed throw a very literal fit of indignation. It's not directed at everybody who choose not to attend. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2346
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:07:00 -
[79] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote: Isis Dea is free to exclude herself from The Summit due to issue with Tiberious as a member of Nation, as is anyone else - but doing so is their own choice unless and until their behavior becomes issue enough for the moderators to make that choice for them. Until then, she (and everybody else) will just need to accept the fact that, yes, he is a moderator.
There is no issue with Tiberious. There would have been had he taken issue with my involvement of the sex trade, while he is a walking advocate of mass abduction. I will not be leaving but he won't have my respect as a character. He is an enemy of my people, of my friends, of all that I have stood to be as a capsuleer. There are many people I have kept close who suffer severely because of what his people have done and continue to do. His opinions, and those within his corporate entity, are vile. They set off a hate that burns hotter than anything I hold against the Amarrians. Sansha is evil. I'm sure many share this opinion. I'll try my absolute damnedest not to let that get in way of my interactions on The Summit. But the longer I hold that back, the more it eats at me. Am I letting down all those who are suffering because of their actions by not ripping them a new one every chance I get? After all, that's what the victims are feelingGǪ No promises. I'm an immortal, already fighting for so many that aren't here today. It hurts enough as it is.
Fair enough. This is, perhaps, the entire point of the Summit. You are welcome to your opinion of Tiberious and Sansha's Nation. Maker knows I share those opinions.
What I do not share is the opinion that he is unfit for a very specific task of moderation due to his loyalties. In fact, his loyalties and hideous brain implants may make him more fit for the task than myself. I admit to being more prone to emotional outbursts than he ever was even before his implantation.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Constantin Baracca
186
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:07:00 -
[80] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote: Isis Dea is free to exclude herself from The Summit due to issue with Tiberious as a member of Nation, as is anyone else - but doing so is their own choice unless and until their behavior becomes issue enough for the moderators to make that choice for them. Until then, she (and everybody else) will just need to accept the fact that, yes, he is a moderator.
There is no issue with Tiberious. There would have been had he taken issue with my involvement of the sex trade, while he is a walking advocate of mass abduction. I will not be leaving but he won't have my respect as a character. He is an enemy of my people, of my friends, of all that I have stood to be as a capsuleer. There are many people I have kept close who suffer severely because of what his people have done and continue to do. His opinions, and those within his corporate entity, are vile. They set off a hate that burns hotter than anything I hold against the Amarrians. Sansha is evil. I'm sure many share this opinion. I'll try my absolute damnedest not to let that get in way of my interactions on The Summit. But the longer I hold that back, the more it eats at me. Am I letting down all those who are suffering because of their actions by not ripping them a new one every chance I get? After all, that's what the victims are feelingGǪ No promises. I'm an immortal, already fighting for so many that aren't here today. It hurts enough as it is.
Well, take heart, then! This being an open forum, while they are perfectly allowed to be here, you are perfectly allowed to tell them (and anyone) what to do with their agenda.
You should be happy that they are here. It isn't often in space that targets present themselves. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
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Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
266
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:10:00 -
[81] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote: What I do not share is the opinion that he is unfit for a very specific task of moderation due to his loyalties.
There was never a question there.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2346
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:14:00 -
[82] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote: What I do not share is the opinion that he is unfit for a very specific task of moderation due to his loyalties.
There was never a question there.
Wasn't there? I thought that's what this thread was about.
Apologies if I misunderstood you. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
186
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:20:00 -
[83] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:That is not what I said. Nowhere in my post was anybody told to "go away". Do not put words into my mouth.
What I said was that they are free to choose whether or not to attend. That means exactly and only that. I am unsure what part of 'choice' you have difficulty understanding. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make. You seem to blame The Summit's open door policy for excluding people, and suggest that instead of what you claim is us excluding people, we should instead be excluding people.
As for the fit of indignation, that is more a jab at specific people who do indeed throw a very literal fit of indignation. It's not directed at everybody who choose not to attend.
What you say translates in reality to something else. "You may choose to leave or embrace everything that goes against civilized standards and morality:" By welcoming all the worst aspects of New Eden, others are no longer welcome unless they throw away morality, standards and principle. You can't possibly fail to understand the point. Your words may be different, but they do not remotely fit reality.
The Summit thus only welcomes those without scruples and standards, and those willing to mingle with them.
You can say "it's their choice" not to mingle with them, as if this is somehow a failing or an oddity. This is, once you consider it for what it is, almost insanity incarnate. When did avoiding the presence of terrorists, criminals, cultists and flat out monsters become something to be dismissed or be derisive of?
Yes. You should exclude "people". You should exclude the lowest layers of filth. The lowest common denominators. The crazed cultists, the worst terrorists and the monsters that would seek to destroy not only the State you claim loyalty towards but the other three nations as well. A place can only be open and welcoming if those who would destroy such notions are barred from entry, because only then will it be open and welcoming to the other side of the scales.
You already practice a similar thing. You bar people who behaves in ways you dislike. Someone who speaks in ways that are disapproved of are barred from entry, while those who commit the most atrocious of crimes New Eden has ever witnessed do the moderation.
You are not a fool, Oniseki. You know there are double standards at work here, and that allowing the Sansha and others to hold court in the Summit does effectively bar others from entry. Of course, none holding sway there actually wants it to be other than how it is, so this will never come to pass. Just stop pretending that it's open to all, because that is sophistry of the worst sort. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
352
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:34:00 -
[84] - Quote
Otsito, we in the Foundations find many outsiders as disgusting, immoral, depraved and vile as they find us. The difference here is we also understand the value of neutral grounds for discussion and the importance of communication I in general despise many Holders, but it harms me not to be in a channel with them.
The Summit is indeed open access. The limits are in the minds of those who refuse to go there. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2347
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:58:00 -
[85] - Quote
So, Jinari Otsito, would it be fair then to say the same standards should be applied here in the IGS?
Should you not be outraged at the cognitive dissonance of the IGS? Should you not be berating CCL for allowing members of Sansha's Nation the right to post here? How about decrying the allowance of TSF to use SCC operated markets? Or the right to use the same high-security stargates as ourselves?
Or even the right to maintain cloning contracts in CONCORD owned stations?
Where are your arguments against the rest of the places they are allowed to go? What makes The Summit so much more horrifying than official areas operated by CONCORD and its affiliates? Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Erys Charantes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2013.11.01 02:25:00 -
[86] - Quote
I pose two obvious questions...
Since when has a privately owned channel been required to abide by anything other than the decisions of those who run it?
And if it's so offensive, why continue to frequent it, let alone make a thread that just draws more attention to it?
And one personal question, Madame Dea... Have you bothered to ask any of the non Nation capsuleers what their opinions are regarding the subject before assuming that everyone is "fine" with Kuveki? I've seen, and participated in, a number of conversations that run counter to that sweeping assumption, it just doesn't come up as often since there are other figures in the spotlight right now. |
Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient Electus Matari
97
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Posted - 2013.11.01 02:30:00 -
[87] - Quote
Isis Dea questions Summit moderation on moral grounds.
The Irony is over 9000. GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |
Mebrithiel Ju'wien
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
31
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Posted - 2013.11.01 03:52:00 -
[88] - Quote
So I take it now is a bad time to join the bad guys? But, but, but... Nation is Love... But here is the blood still and all the perfumes of Aridia will not sweeten this little rose GÖÑ |
Ithiria Deritan
Aurea Litai Industries Defiance Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2013.11.01 03:53:00 -
[89] - Quote
A very simple solution to this issue, and while it will not please everyone it will move it to neutral ground.
Moderators to be One from each faction, be they Empire, matari or sansha, completly fair completly equal.
but thats just my two cents. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3039
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Posted - 2013.11.01 03:55:00 -
[90] - Quote
Ithiria Deritan wrote:A very simple solution to this issue, and while it will not please everyone it will move it to neutral ground.
Moderators to be One from each faction, be they Empire, matari or sansha, completly fair completly equal.
but thats just my two cents.
It's been like that Ithi.
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Ithiria Deritan
Aurea Litai Industries Defiance Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2013.11.01 04:00:00 -
[91] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Ithiria Deritan wrote:A very simple solution to this issue, and while it will not please everyone it will move it to neutral ground.
Moderators to be One from each faction, be they Empire, matari or sansha, completly fair completly equal.
but thats just my two cents. It's been like that Ithi.
Unless I have misread the moderators Listings, Seems the amarr have more reps that the others anslo |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3039
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Posted - 2013.11.01 04:38:00 -
[92] - Quote
Meh, barely....sort of....kind of. Shut up and have tea with me.
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Ithiria Deritan
Aurea Litai Industries Defiance Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2013.11.01 04:40:00 -
[93] - Quote
Shoot me a neocom message with a date and time |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
593
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Posted - 2013.11.01 07:06:00 -
[94] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:A curious question. After a recent bump into The Summit channel and frequent visits to this forum, I find myself absolutely baffled at the hate posed toward Tibus Heth, Empress Jamyl, or any of these other characters of the various factions.
Yet not even a blink of Sansha Kuvakei and his advocates here.
Moreso, how many of you knew that members of True Slave Foundations are actually moderators of The Summit, exercising their power to intervene the moment anyone brings up a subject they personally don't like?
(No channel rules were violated or were going to be violated during this process in any way.)
SoGǪ Trillons have died, been abducted, stolen, and placed into one man's vision of a utopia who is at war with all the societies we each voice for.
And we are completely fine with his minions running our Summit and/or holding a voice here?
JustGǪ mind.. blown.
Another capsuleer, Isis
It is all because of GALLENTEAN influence. You see, Sansha is just sitting in his hideout, sending out his raids. While Empress Jamyl and Executor Heth were actively fighting the Federation.
Those, who were speaking against them, are either gallenteans, gallentean bootlickers or straightforward idiots.
Empress Jamyl is, and Executor Heth was, the most merited and powerful peoples in our cluster, and guess what? Imbecile gallentean citizens didn't vote for them! They try to discredit them with all their puny power.
Gallentean ideals of eqalitarism and democracy simply can't stand us having prominent, merited and wise rulers. That's why these democratic dolts slander names of our prominent leaders, that's why they send their agents to infect weak-minded and corrupted morons in our camps to act against our best citizens.
We must stand together against them. We must protect our ideals and our leaders. We must protect everything that is dear to us, and not allow gallentean swines to tell us how to leave our lives. We must repay them, as they deserved it:
WITH FIRE AND STEEL. |
Solarienne
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
111
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Posted - 2013.11.01 09:18:00 -
[95] - Quote
Ivanneth Maethor wrote:It does seem that Ms Dea's primary concern is that she objects, not to Tiberious but to the involvement of Nation supporters in the channel in general. However, the Summit, if I am not mistaken, exists for the purposes of discourse among loyalists of all factions -- or none -- and as such in the nature of fairness and civil discourse, this is a situation which ought to exist, anyway. If anything, I think we're LACKING moderators from one or two factions, which should be remedied.
To be honest I support this point of view, not because it will solve the situation, but because it will at least usher in a new brand of butt hurt to blight this forum and others besides. Seems people forgot where their channel creation tools are, as well as the 'close channel' command sequence (the clue is in the quote marks).
Besides, 'enemies of New Eden' is a bit strong. Enemies of the CONCORD signatories and a hack job slavery/prostitution ring with a side in extortion and 'power games' that would make a GalNet fetish community look askance at the theater of it (hello Angel Cartel) is more accurate. The Guri seem to tolerate us and indeed have requested assistance in the past. As for Sarparti's drug peddlers, throw them in with their Angel overlords I guess. For the lazy 'enemies of ALMOST all of New Eden' will suffice. "Pulled from the grime and uncertainty that my life had been, I opened my eyes for the first time and saw in the distance, oh so far away, Utopia. -áMy path may be the broken backs of those who stand against me, but one day, I will stand at the gates and I will be Home." - Sascha Ishenko; Meditations on Servitude |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
281
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Posted - 2013.11.01 09:50:00 -
[96] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:So, Jinari Otsito, would it be fair then to say the same standards should be applied here in the IGS?
Should you not be outraged at the cognitive dissonance of the IGS? Should you not be berating CCL for allowing members of Sansha's Nation the right to post here? How about decrying the allowance of TSF to use SCC operated markets? Or the right to use the same high-security stargates as ourselves?
Or even the right to maintain cloning contracts in CONCORD owned stations?
Where are your arguments against the rest of the places they are allowed to go? What makes The Summit so much more horrifying than official areas operated by CONCORD and its affiliates?
Those standards should be applied here as well, and especially the markets, stargates, and stations.
Illegitimate organizations should not be allowed legitimate representation. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
186
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Posted - 2013.11.01 10:29:00 -
[97] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:So, Jinari Otsito, would it be fair then to say the same standards should be applied here in the IGS?
Should you not be outraged at the cognitive dissonance of the IGS? Should you not be berating CCL for allowing members of Sansha's Nation the right to post here? How about decrying the allowance of TSF to use SCC operated markets? Or the right to use the same high-security stargates as ourselves?
Or even the right to maintain cloning contracts in CONCORD owned stations?
Where are your arguments against the rest of the places they are allowed to go? What makes The Summit so much more horrifying than official areas operated by CONCORD and its affiliates?
"We can shoot people all we want in nullsec. Clearly this lowest common denominator should be the norm in highsec too, since no one argues against nullsec."
It may have been a poor metaphor, but there we are. If I have to point out every single failing humanity and eggers have, in communication networks, CONCORD rules and regulations and all other conceivable things before I can point out other quite real problems then we'll never get to improve anything, ever.
Make an IGS thread about how it is poorly set up for civilized discourse and I'll lend my voice to it. I have already spoken of how the capsuleer markets are entirely insane, allowing us to completely circumvent State (and others) laws to trade in contraband, slaves and more. If there's a thread on that subject, I'll lend my voice. If there'd been a thread about limiting the movement of creatures like them, perhaps you'd find my voice on that subject too.
Of course, like this, that too would just be wasting my time. You seem to have no interest in the actual problems, merely deflecting any attempt made at shedding light on them. The arguments have gone from "then just go away" to "Why point out these problems, you have not solved all the other ones in New Eden?".
Where are your arguments for favoring every piece of filth and monster in New Eden over those who would rather not deal with them? Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
172
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Posted - 2013.11.01 10:39:00 -
[98] - Quote
It is just the SummitGǪ A private channel, operated by a cardinal who teamed up with a Sani Sabik and a true slaveGǪ For some time, if I recall correctly, everyone who let a slave enter his video stream was kicked from communications for a whileGÇöironic isnGÇÖt it?
It reminds me a bit of The Font in the Torsad-Laur. The lower classes of capsuleers gather in the Summit and if no quick jokes are to be found or the desired alcoholic level is reached, they go back to where they came from. Sometimes entertaining, mostly not. It clearly shows the moralist character of most who proclaim to be the embodiment of ethical wisdom. There is nothing wrong about it, unless you start to take it serious.
With kind regards, Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House dGÇÖHanguest Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |
DeadRow
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
139
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Posted - 2013.11.01 10:45:00 -
[99] - Quote
5 pages in less than a day? We must be doing something right. |
Solarienne
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
111
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Posted - 2013.11.01 10:49:00 -
[100] - Quote
DeadRow wrote:5 pages in less than a day? We must be doing something right.
People seem to dislike the fact that a member of a Nation supporting corporation can be a good, fair and just man. You know, shattered illusions and a breaking of the hundred year old lie that the Empires have peddled to them. Some will do anything to stay in their comfort zone. "Pulled from the grime and uncertainty that my life had been, I opened my eyes for the first time and saw in the distance, oh so far away, Utopia. -áMy path may be the broken backs of those who stand against me, but one day, I will stand at the gates and I will be Home." - Sascha Ishenko; Meditations on Servitude |
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Iwan Terpalen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
25
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Posted - 2013.11.01 11:08:00 -
[101] - Quote
So the most useful thing I learned about the Summit in the past month or so is that if you don't like it, you can leave, or at the very least switch its notifications off and banish it to a dusty corner of your channel lists. |
Solarienne
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
111
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Posted - 2013.11.01 11:11:00 -
[102] - Quote
Iwan Terpalen wrote:So the most useful thing I learned about the Summit in the past month or so is that if you don't like it, you can leave, or at the very least switch its notifications off and banish it to a dusty corner of your channel lists.
Your escape from the True Slave Foundations recruitment pen has been noted and will be filed for future actioning with extreme prejudice. "Pulled from the grime and uncertainty that my life had been, I opened my eyes for the first time and saw in the distance, oh so far away, Utopia. -áMy path may be the broken backs of those who stand against me, but one day, I will stand at the gates and I will be Home." - Sascha Ishenko; Meditations on Servitude |
Iwan Terpalen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
27
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Posted - 2013.11.01 11:54:00 -
[103] - Quote
Meanwhile I shall shun and snub you to the best of my limited abilities. Surely all the bads will go away if I do it vigorously enough. |
Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
194
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:06:00 -
[104] - Quote
I'm not sure OP understands "neutral" as well as she thinks she does. The Summit is a fire-break against losing what little restraint we have left; it can't function if some factions -- however tiresome -- are excluded a priori. |
Ollie Rundle
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
89
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:03:00 -
[105] - Quote
If anything of any importance occurred in the Summit, the OP might have a tenuously drawn point.
But seeking to find outrage in the fact that a Nation loyalist is involved in moderating what is, for the most part, as banal as listening to the puerile chatter of pre-pubescent girls at a grade school sleepover seems to be taking it all a little too seriously. O. Rundle The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1153
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:09:00 -
[106] - Quote
Ollie Rundle wrote:If anything of any importance occurred in the Summit, the OP might have a tenuously drawn point.
But seeking to find outrage in the fact that a Nation loyalist is involved in moderating what is, for the most part, as banal as listening to the puerile chatter of pre-pubescent girls at a grade school sleepover seems to be taking it all a little too seriously.
Fortunately for the capsuleer community, no one takes Isis seriously.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Ayallah
Silver's Privateers Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:26:00 -
[107] - Quote
I frequently get into very long and drawn out disagreements with members of the TS-F. And other groups but that is not the point.
The point is I have never once been banned or threatened with moderation for a disagreement. I have in other personally owned channels and there is a very large air-gap between how it feels to be muted or banned for talking out against someone and being reminded of the rules or that the topic at hand is distasteful. The moderators of the Summit do a very good job of allowing many different voices to be heard. Examples include many pirate factions, slavers, freedom-fighters, racists, humanitarians, those who advocate peace and those who advocate war. Null-bears, care-bears and all the people in between. Members of people who are at outright total warfare against each other.
The Summit is the one place that an actual exchange of opinion can happen outside of deep space and auto cannons.
I have been vocal and opinionated about many things, I have started more arguments and disagreements than I have ended. Most of the members of the Summit have either me personally red or at the least my Alliance. I am there every single day arguing and making enemies more often than not with one or more of the moderators. I assure you, they are performing exactly to standard. The moderators of the Summit as well as it creator(s) have accomplished something that even CONCORD could not and should be praised for the work they put into it.
Fear The Tribes |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1154
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:30:00 -
[108] - Quote
Ayallah wrote:I frequently get into very long and drawn out disagreements with members of the TS-F. And other groups but that is not the point.
The point is I have never once been banned or threatened with moderation for a disagreement. I have in other personally owned channels and there is a very large air-gap between how it feels to be muted or banned for talking out against someone and being reminded of the rules or that the topic at hand is distasteful. The moderators of the Summit do a very good job of allowing many different voices to be heard. Examples include many pirate factions, slavers, freedom-fighters, racists, humanitarians, those who advocate peace and those who advocate war. Null-bears, care-bears and all the people in between. Members of people who are at outright total warfare against each other.
The Summit is the one place that an actual exchange of opinion can happen outside of deep space and auto cannons.
I have been vocal and opinionated about many things, I have started more arguments and disagreements than I have ended. Most of the members of the Summit have either me personally red or at the least my Alliance. I am there every single day arguing and making enemies more often than not with one or more of the moderators. I assure you, they are performing exactly to standard. The moderators of the Summit as well as it creator(s) have accomplished something that even CONCORD could not and should be praised for the work they put into it.
Cease being reasonable this instant.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Sid Afraldir
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
208
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:40:00 -
[109] - Quote
I should apply to be a summit moderator, this looks like fun! |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
594
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:28:00 -
[110] - Quote
Actually, the situation can be changed by introduction of a couple of easy rules:
- Advertisement or justification of democracy is prohibited. - Advertisement or justification of freedom is prohibited. - Talking about fighting for freedom is prohibited. - All displays of hedonism is prohibited. - Insulting of Empress and ex-Executor are prohibited. - Offence against any religion or sect is prohibited. - Egalitarian talks (speaking as all peoples are equal) are prohibited. - Translation of any gallentean holoreel, video or music is prohibited. - Any promotion of personal liberties or individualism is prohibited.
With these simple rules, this channel could become a nice place to speak. Otherwise, it is more like a source of finding hostile elements, pro-gallentean filth and traitors, whom you would like to destroy on contact instead of participating in peaceful and fruitful conversations with them. |
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Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
203
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:39:00 -
[111] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:- Any promotion of personal liberties or individualism is prohibited.
Irony anyone? Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2184
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:53:00 -
[112] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Actually, the situation can be changed by introduction of a couple of easy rules:
- Advertisement or justification of democracy is prohibited. - Advertisement or justification of freedom is prohibited. - Talking about fighting for freedom is prohibited. - All displays of hedonism is prohibited. - Insulting of Empress and ex-Executor are prohibited. - Offence against any religion or sect is prohibited. - Egalitarian talks (speaking as all peoples are equal) are prohibited. - Translation of any gallentean holoreel, video or music is prohibited. - Any promotion of personal liberties or individualism is prohibited.
With these simple rules, this channel could become a nice place to speak. Otherwise, it is more like a source of finding hostile elements, pro-gallentean filth and traitors, whom you would like to destroy on contact instead of participating in peaceful and fruitful conversations with them.
I use the Summit as a first point of contact for unaligned groups in Diplomacy. Your rules would remove not only all the opposition capsuleers from the Summit but half the allied ones.
Why don't you hang out in the Heiian College if you want something a little more Caldari? |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1158
|
Posted - 2013.11.01 17:54:00 -
[113] - Quote
Is not Kim the one constantly waving around a vibrator on live-feed?
A gallente vibrator, I might add? Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2184
|
Posted - 2013.11.01 18:05:00 -
[114] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote:Is not Kim the one constantly waving around a vibrator on live-feed?
A gallente vibrator, I might add?
Indeed. Although there is some question as to her awareness of this. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1162
|
Posted - 2013.11.01 18:06:00 -
[115] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Is not Kim the one constantly waving around a vibrator on live-feed?
A gallente vibrator, I might add? Indeed. Although there is some question as to her awareness of this.
I suspect much merriment to be had by us if.... Gallente docking rights were granted in that particular Caldari station
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2185
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:52:00 -
[116] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Is not Kim the one constantly waving around a vibrator on live-feed?
A gallente vibrator, I might add? Indeed. Although there is some question as to her awareness of this. I suspect much merriment to be had by us if.... Gallente docking rights were granted in that particular Caldari station
I suspect that this is a border that will remain closed indefinitely. |
Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
196
|
Posted - 2013.11.01 19:29:00 -
[117] - Quote
Quote:- Offence against any religion or sect is prohibited. - Egalitarian talks (speaking as all peoples are equal) are prohibited.
I loved how these were right next to eachother. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
940
|
Posted - 2013.11.02 01:57:00 -
[118] - Quote
I think it's less a double standard and more the fact that the members of the Kuvakei Fan Club known as True Slaves Foundations by and large actually have a modicum of intelligence to hold a discussion with, even if it's a given that they support Sansha's Nation and all that entails. This is in stark contrast to other Fan Club members, such as that of Tibus Heth who by and large appear to carry themselves with the social graces of pod-induced autism combined with the intelligence of a microwaved eggplant.
In the end it always costs nothing to be polite when you must kill a man. Then again, such a concept requires a degree of subtlety to adhere to which is probably why it so difficult to grasp for those in the Summit who are about as subtle as a brick to the genitals in their thoughts and actions.
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Erys Charantes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
33
|
Posted - 2013.11.02 02:29:00 -
[119] - Quote
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:I think it's less a double standard and more the fact that the members of the Kuvakei Fan Club known as True Slaves Foundations by and large actually have a modicum of intelligence to hold a discussion with, even if it's a given that they support Sansha's Nation and all that entails. This is in stark contrast to other Fan Club members, such as that of Tibus Heth who by and large appear to carry themselves with the social graces of pod-induced autism combined with the intelligence of a microwaved eggplant.
In the end it always costs nothing to be polite when you must kill a man. Then again, such a concept requires a degree of subtlety to adhere to which is probably why it so difficult to grasp for those in the Summit who are about as subtle as a brick to the genitals in their thoughts and actions.
I hear the ring of truth in these words. |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
579
|
Posted - 2013.11.02 02:38:00 -
[120] - Quote
"Hey, he may **** children for breakfast, but he's such an awesome guy to have a drink with and does such an effective job of moderating some FTL channel, it doesn't matter!"
I fail to see how that exaggerated example is any different than what the OP has said. Capsuleers have always held getting along with everyone in higher regard than actually sticking to our moral principles. I see absolutely no reason why I should tolerate the presence of a Sansha loyalist in person just because he's intelligent or suave. Many notorious rapists and serial killers are both of these.
All that being said, there are better fights out there. |
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DeadRow
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
142
|
Posted - 2013.11.02 03:20:00 -
[121] - Quote
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:"Hey, he may **** children for breakfast, but he's such an awesome guy to have a drink with and does such an effective job of moderating some FTL channel, it doesn't matter!"
I fail to see how that exaggerated example is any different than what the OP has said. Capsuleers have always held getting along with everyone in higher regard than actually sticking to our moral principles. I see absolutely no reason why I should tolerate the presence of a Sansha loyalist in person just because he's intelligent or suave. Many notorious rapists and serial killers are both of these.
All that being said, there are better fights out there.
Well there is one way to get rid of us. Come to Reynire and destroy our ****, wipe us from this Cluster and we won't populate 'your' channels any longer. I guess it's easier barking here than, Gods-forbid, Pilots do something about it.
And now to wait for the 'I wipe plenty of your kind out when your Master invades a constellation (in High Sec of course! Don't want to risk my shiny ship unduly!)' response.
~Hikari xoxo
P.S; Heavenbound still wants to say Hi. |
Gwen Ikiryo
Perkone Caldari State
165
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Posted - 2013.11.02 04:28:00 -
[122] - Quote
While the Summit certainly has... Issues, to be certain, I wouldn't really mark this as one of them. Perhaps that's a result of how I've come to think of it as a platform.
In my opinion, it's better to think of the channel less as the "neutral forum" some people consider it (Especially since, realistically, such a thing never truly exists, since anything administered by human beings will always be susceptible to varyingly subtle degrees of bias - be they on cultural or more personal terms), and also less of the be-all and-end-all of Capsuleer conversation channel that others do, and more of a... Unique intellectual curiosity.
I don't want to use the phrase "Social experiment" with how much it gets run into the ground, but even if it's not intentional, it's sort of become one with the sheer diversity of the current pool os visitors. Everyone saying so is quite right in that it's bizzare and rather disturbing to interact politely with individuals who openly confess to supporting and even commiting atrocities.
But the fact that we can do so at all is actually quite a profound novelty. Before the time of independent Capsuleers and an existance in which one can get away with not fearing too many concequences, who could have hoped to learn anything remotely personal about ones sworn enemies? Who could have hoped to be able to have a casual debate about a trivial subject with someone who's innermost mindset is so fundementally and irrevocably divorced from ones own? As long as you remember who you're talking to and don't allow irrational empathy to kick in, It's a tremendous, if surreal, window into insight.
If you're a more military-minded sort, think of it this way, if you like - Understanding greatly enhances ones ability to defeat an enemy. I'm not speaking in terms of tactics or fleet compositions, but rather something a bit more intimate that can only be gained by observing people over prolonged periods of time, in a more personal fashion then, say, this discussion board. Peoples quirks, pet pet peeves, general manner of
And as long as one stays aware of this greater context (That one is, quite literally, in a vipers nest at all times while in the channel) it is quite easy to keep the insight one-sided.
Or perhaps not. After all, it is just conversation. |
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
895
|
Posted - 2013.11.02 08:25:00 -
[123] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Moreso, how many of you knew that members of True Slave Foundations are actually moderators of The Summit, exercising their power to intervene the moment anyone brings up a subject they personally don't like?
Let me put on my grandmother's pearl necklace so I can properly clutch at it.
Just a second... this clasp is a bit hard to... okay, got it.
I am shocked. I am utterly and truly shocked to hear that there are members of the True Slave Foundation on the The Summit. Why, the Summit is a haven of refined conversation and fit only for those with proper breeding and manners. I cannot imagine how those of such low repute even managed to access the place!
Not to worry, I shall tell send a message to that fine gentleman, Captain Tiberious, and he will make sure such vagabonds and ne'er-do-wells are banned immediately. Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |
Iwan Terpalen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
32
|
Posted - 2013.11.02 09:39:00 -
[124] - Quote
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:"Hey, he may **** children for breakfast, but he's such an awesome guy to have a drink with and does such an effective job of moderating some FTL channel, it doesn't matter!"
I fail to see how that exaggerated example is any different than what the OP has said [...]
Well, I'm pretty sure you've shot at State assets in the past. If all crimes are interchangeable, you telling me I should hold you in the same cold contempt as if you were slipping the tube-steak to that cute little daughter of yours? 'Cause hey, no skin off my back. Might be fun. |
Lasairiona Raske
Aurea Litai Industries Defiance Enterprises
33
|
Posted - 2013.11.02 10:42:00 -
[125] - Quote
((Is this thread bordering on discussing OOC moderation of The Summit? It seems to me just a moan about how the Summit is moderated and not about the affiliations of the moderators.....just sayin')) |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
616
|
Posted - 2013.11.02 10:45:00 -
[126] - Quote
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:While the Summit certainly has... Issues, to be certain, I wouldn't really mark this as one of them. Perhaps that's a result of how I've come to think of it as a platform.
In my opinion, it's better to think of the channel less as the "neutral forum" some people consider it (Especially since, realistically, such a thing never truly exists, since anything administered by human beings will always be susceptible to varyingly subtle degrees of bias - be they on cultural or more personal terms), and also less of the be-all and-end-all of Capsuleer conversation channel that others do, and more of a... Unique intellectual curiosity.
I'm hesitant to use the phrase "Social experiment" with how much it gets run into the ground, but even if it's not intentional, it's sort of become one with the sheer diversity of the current pool of visitors. Everyone saying so is quite right in that it's bizzare and rather disturbing to interact politely with individuals who openly confess to supporting and even commiting atrocities.
But really, the fact that we can do so at all is actually quite a profound novelty. Before the time of independent Capsuleers, and an existance in which one can get away with not fearing too many concequences, who could have hoped to learn anything remotely personal about ones sworn enemies? Who could have presumed to be able to have a casual debate about a trivial subject with someone who's innermost mindset is so fundementally and irrevocably divorced from ones own? As long as you remember who you're talking to and don't allow irrational empathy to kick in, It's a tremendous, if surreal, window into insight.
If you're a more military-minded sort, think of it this way, if you like - Understanding greatly enhances ones ability to defeat an enemy. I'm not speaking in terms of tactics or fleet compositions, but rather something a bit more intimate that can only be gained by observing people over prolonged periods of time, in a more personal fashion then, say, this discussion board. Peoples quirks, pet pet peeves, general manner of
And as long as one stays aware of this greater context (That one is, quite literally, in a vipers nest at all times while in the channel) it is quite easy to keep the insight one-sided.
Or perhaps not. After all, it is just conversation.
You have a beautiful mind. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
941
|
Posted - 2013.11.02 11:13:00 -
[127] - Quote
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote: I fail to see how that exaggerated example is any different than what the OP has said. Capsuleers have always held getting along with everyone in higher regard than actually sticking to our moral principles. I see absolutely no reason why I should tolerate the presence of a Sansha loyalist in person just because he's intelligent or suave. Many notorious rapists and serial killers are both of these.
I'd say my moral principles mean I regard a vast swathe of humanity that don't prescribe to Caldari cultural ideals as inferior, backwards, and regressive. My contempt and ability to engage as polite conversationalist however are not mutually exclusive.
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Gwen Ikiryo
Perkone Caldari State
166
|
Posted - 2013.11.02 11:21:00 -
[128] - Quote
Lyn Farel wrote:You have a beautiful mind.
Um... I'm grateful for the compliment, of course, miss Farel, but I find myself at something of a loss regarding how to respond. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
617
|
Posted - 2013.11.02 12:50:00 -
[129] - Quote
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:You have a beautiful mind. Um... I'm grateful for the compliment, of course, miss Farel, but I find myself at something of a loss regarding how to respond.
I uh... am sorry, I do not know why I... Nevermind.
My apologies. |
Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
200
|
Posted - 2013.11.02 13:14:00 -
[130] - Quote
I suddenly became fascinated by this thread. |
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Manwe Todako
Repatriation Transportation Services
306
|
Posted - 2013.11.02 13:49:00 -
[131] - Quote
I have ranted and raged on the Summit, but never been "moderated" for that. In fact, the only time I have been banned from the Summit was for something done completely outside of the Summit. Furthermore, during that particular time, I was on the summit very little. However, a corp mate was raising a stink on the IGS and as a result one of the Summit moderators banned all of us from the Summit. It had nothing to do with the affiliation of the moderator. It had everything to do with the fact that what my colleague did on the IGS irritated the **** out of him. Moderators are human and the more involved they get, the more their humanity shows.
The problem with Summit moderators has nothing to do with their affiliation. As much as Nation adherents would like to think of themselves as above the noise of human emotion, frustration, and irritation, they are not. As such they are human and will make human judgments. As moderators, they will not be perfect. Their choices will vary from person to person in objectivity. Don't pretend that you go to the Summit for calm, reasoned, productive discussion. You go to the summit to be entertained by each others quirks. The moderators are just as quirky as any of us. Don't expect them to be "above it all." SANKOFA |
Valkarth Tlakotani
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.11.02 21:03:00 -
[132] - Quote
Hello Having been lost in space for years, I return to find New Eden as vital and spiteful as ever. My faith in humanity has been restored. I take exception however to the belief that only criminals can be found here. Greetings, Cardinal Graelen, it is good to see the word is still with us.
Valkarth Tlakotani ex-GHSC |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1167
|
Posted - 2013.11.02 21:54:00 -
[133] - Quote
Manwe Todako wrote:I have ranted and raged on the Summit, but never been "moderated" for that. In fact, the only time I have been banned from the Summit was for something done completely outside of the Summit. Furthermore, during that particular time, I was on the summit very little. However, a corp mate was raising a stink on the IGS and as a result one of the Summit moderators banned all of us from the Summit. It had nothing to do with the affiliation of the moderator. It had everything to do with the fact that what my colleague did on the IGS irritated the **** out of him. Moderators are human and the more involved they get, the more their humanity shows.
The problem with Summit moderators has nothing to do with their affiliation. As much as Nation adherents would like to think of themselves as above the noise of human emotion, frustration, and irritation, they are not. As such they are human and will make human judgments. As moderators, they will not be perfect. Their choices will vary from person to person in objectivity. Don't pretend that you go to the Summit for calm, reasoned, productive discussion. You go to the summit to be entertained by each others quirks. The moderators are just as quirky as any of us. Don't expect them to be "above it all."
Actually your idiot friend was banished for 'spamming' with repetitious phrases involving some sort of protest over losing some ships or other nonsense. His intention was to cause a disturbance and bother the rest of the channel if I recall correctly, and he was removed.
Everyone is welcome until they decide their pet issues are somehow worthy of being a continuous disruption and ruining an otherwise convivial atmosphere among the other guests. Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Manwe Todako
Repatriation Transportation Services
306
|
Posted - 2013.11.02 22:20:00 -
[134] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote:Manwe Todako wrote:I have ranted and raged on the Summit, but never been "moderated" for that. In fact, the only time I have been banned from the Summit was for something done completely outside of the Summit. Furthermore, during that particular time, I was on the summit very little. However, a corp mate was raising a stink on the IGS and as a result one of the Summit moderators banned all of us from the Summit. It had nothing to do with the affiliation of the moderator. It had everything to do with the fact that what my colleague did on the IGS irritated the **** out of him. Moderators are human and the more involved they get, the more their humanity shows.
The problem with Summit moderators has nothing to do with their affiliation. As much as Nation adherents would like to think of themselves as above the noise of human emotion, frustration, and irritation, they are not. As such they are human and will make human judgments. As moderators, they will not be perfect. Their choices will vary from person to person in objectivity. Don't pretend that you go to the Summit for calm, reasoned, productive discussion. You go to the summit to be entertained by each others quirks. The moderators are just as quirky as any of us. Don't expect them to be "above it all." Actually your idiot friend was banished for 'spamming' with repetitious phrases involving some sort of protest over losing some ships or other nonsense. His intention was to cause a disturbance and bother the rest of the channel if I recall correctly, and he was removed. Everyone is welcome until they decide their pet issues are somehow worthy of being a continuous disruption and ruining an otherwise convivial atmosphere among the other guests.
For Spamming the IGS not the Summit. It was within Thessalonia's power to ban from the Summit, so that's what he did. At the time there was little if any posting on the Summit. My point stands that it had nothing to do with affiliation with Nation. Ston got under Thessalonia's very human skin and that led to the ban. Its all public record. SANKOFA |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2358
|
Posted - 2013.11.02 22:43:00 -
[135] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote:Manwe Todako wrote:Stuff. Counterstuff.
You're both right. He was spamming the IGS about losing a ship.
Either way, Manwe - I'll bring up the option of allowing you back in if you are still banned, since were banned only by association by the sounds of it.
Nevermind, looks like it's already expired. You're not banned. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1804
|
Posted - 2013.11.02 23:57:00 -
[136] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Manwe Todako wrote:Stuff. Counterstuff. You're both right. He was spamming the IGS about losing a ship. Either way, Manwe - I'll bring up the option of allowing you back in if you are still banned, since were banned only by association by the sounds of it.Nevermind, looks like it's already expired. You're not banned.
That ban was put up as a precaution for the duration of the wardec and was pulled down as soon as the war ended. |
Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
289
|
Posted - 2013.11.03 01:18:00 -
[137] - Quote
Just like a toaster to punish someone before the crime. I look forward to the day your component atoms are spread across space, along with the rest of your kind. Editor: TheMittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
198
|
Posted - 2013.11.03 01:22:00 -
[138] - Quote
Of course, even considering the problems I've highlighted (and was summarily ignored, obviously) at least some scum has been kept out. Credit where credit's due.
At least the channel owner recognizes some of New Eden's worst inhabitants and remove them from the place. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
596
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Posted - 2013.11.03 04:14:00 -
[139] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote:Is not Kim the one constantly waving around a vibrator on live-feed?
A gallente vibrator, I might add? Gallente vibrator? Ah, you mean this thorax model, because thorax is a gallentean ship and because it vibrates? Well, it is just a model to study exploitable weaknesses. What's wrong with it? |
Vincent Pryce
Stormcrows
101
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Posted - 2013.11.03 20:25:00 -
[140] - Quote
Ivanneth Maethor wrote:No offense to Ms Starfire, but Stormcrows are registered under Mordu's Legion.
You should do your research better, slave. Stormcrows as a corporate entity is not affiliated with the Mordu's Legion or any other entity for that matter. Each individual in this corporation has their own personal goals and loyalties. We define the corporation, but the corporation does not define us. Then again, I wouldn't expect a Nation slave to comprehend or to be able to handle the concept. Vincent Pryce Archangel of Asakai |
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Sofia Roseburn
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
71
|
Posted - 2013.11.03 20:38:00 -
[141] - Quote
Irony overload. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
902
|
Posted - 2013.11.04 06:47:00 -
[142] - Quote
Alizabeth Vea wrote:Just like a toaster to punish someone before the crime. I look forward to the day your component atoms are spread across space, along with the rest of your kind.
Note to self: Some people take moderation abuse very seriously. Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
270
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 11:09:00 -
[143] - Quote
I think it's about time this channel stops being recognized in any official capacity.
I'm now reaching out to the appropriate parties. I recommend others do the same.
This channel does not in the slightest hold assembly of any legal parties in accordance with CONCORD standards. I think it's about time we stop associating with a pen of pirates. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
209
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 11:14:00 -
[144] - Quote
Gaggles of gawkers. Flocks of fappers. Acres of asinine. Dires of derps. Why are we alliterating?
Besides, the channel in question was never an "official" channel. The official one is even less moderated. Less filled with undesirables oddly enough, but less moderated. |
DeadRow
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
145
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 12:13:00 -
[145] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:I think it's about time this channel stops being recognized in any official capacity.
I'm now reaching out to the appropriate parties. I recommend others do the same.
This channel does not in the slightest hold assembly of any legal parties in accordance with CONCORD standards. I think it's about time we stop associating with a pen of pirates.
Anyone who thought The Summit was a home only for people who pay CONCORD's bills is an idiot. It never has been and I doubt it ever will be. It is a place for capsuleers (and DUST mercs these days too, I suppose) to speak as equals and to discussion completely relevant topics like what I should have for dinner tonight?
Pizza with a side of Nanites, or Nanite and Garlic Soup?
~Hikari |
Graelyn
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
494
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:51:00 -
[146] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:I think it's about time this channel stops being recognized in any official capacity. I'm now reaching out to the appropriate parties. I recommend others do the same.
Oh look, this catchrag is still posting.
Bleat and sob whatever you like to whomever would submit themselves to your wailing.
I Am True Amarr. I administrate my Holdings to the standards by which they are given unto my charge, by whatever means I see fit, worm.
If a Discarded Slave Bangtoy like you intends to question a Holder's will, no matter the subject, I've got a Holy Sceptre you can apply your only skillset to. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
211
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:06:00 -
[147] - Quote
Ah, so there's the famed class and dignity of Amarrian nobility. Remarkably similar to the outraged squealing of the outer colony "ladies" having a tiff with other girls of lower standards. I expected more from someone that claims a higher class. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
466
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 13:08:00 -
[148] - Quote
That reply alone was worth keeping an eye on this thread. Now it just seems that my rib isn't fully healed yet. Still, think I needed that hearty laugh. |
Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient Electus Matari
112
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:09:00 -
[149] - Quote
Jinari Otsito wrote:Ah, so there's the famed class and dignity of Amarrian nobility. Remarkably similar to the outraged squealing of the outer colony "ladies" having a tiff with other girls of lower standards. I expected more from someone that claims a higher class.
Odd.
I found his response apropos. Then again, I dont have much patience for traitors. |
Ava Starfire
Stormcrows
1262
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:19:00 -
[150] - Quote
Ivanneth Maethor wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote: Serpentis, Gurista? I would say EoM but they are a bit too special.
The Summit = Home of criminal. Minus a few parties. No attacks and drama please. Mind you, we already own all the seats of power, no contending the other invested parties. So entirely disgusting... Yes, we're lacking Gallente and Minmatar representation. No offense to Ms Starfire, but Stormcrows are registered under Mordu's Legion. There's also a lack of representation from the Sisters of EVE, I believe, and SOCT. I would not expect CONCORD representation du to their neutrality.
Rest assured, my loyalty is now, and ever will be, to my Clan, my Tribe, and the Republic.
If it ever comes to a conflict of interest (Mordus or Minmatar, or whoever and Minmatar, for that matter) everyone here is well aware that my choice will be to side with my kith and kin... or did everyone forget about the last time I made this choice?
I am here because I have things I need to do, not because I have suddenly decided to "Switch teams". It is a temporary assignment (and a break from 3 years of factional warfare)
Carry on. |
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
963
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:24:00 -
[151] - Quote
Isn't Ms. Dea the one who keeps on prattling on about how space is dark and cold, full of cold darkness that is so dark it is cold in the dark heart of an uncaring and cold universe?
I think that's the abridged version anyway.
For someone who affects how everyone else is a, "hippy" she seems to have quite gotten her knickers in a twist over being in a channel with some Sansha. Is it because they're not dark enough, or cold enough or indeed DarkCold enough that this concern has been raised? Or is it the Sansha who are truly the Cold-Dark hearted ones and Ms. Dea is now the hippy?
This really is confusing now. |
Nauplius
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:06:00 -
[152] - Quote
Graelyn wrote: I Am True Amarr. I administrate my Holdings to the standards by which they are given unto my charge, by whatever means I see fit, worm.
So ends debate on the fate of the channel.
But know well, Empyreans GÇö the very sub-atomic particles that transmit the FTL messages of the Summit groan under the weight of your sins. For they were created by God to do good, and they would rather transmit patriotic Amarrian hymns and paeans to great men like Tibus Heth who smite God's enemies GÇö not your fornications and preliminaries thereto.
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Gwen Ikiryo
Perkone Caldari State
169
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:46:00 -
[153] - Quote
While the Cardinal certainly has the final word on the matter, I have to say that was a little crude. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1300
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:09:00 -
[154] - Quote
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:While the Cardinal certainly has the final word on the matter, I have to say that was a little crude.
Sometimes it's best to just call a spade a spade, no point being nice and dancing around the subject. |
Saber1
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:21:00 -
[155] - Quote
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Isn't Ms. Dea the one who keeps on prattling on about how space is dark and cold, full of cold darkness that is so dark it is cold in the dark heart of an uncaring and cold universe?
I think that's the abridged version anyway.
For someone who affects how everyone else is a, "hippy" she seems to have quite gotten her knickers in a twist over being in a channel with some Sansha. Is it because they're not dark enough, or cold enough or indeed DarkCold enough that this concern has been raised? Or is it the Sansha who are truly the Cold-Dark hearted ones and Ms. Dea is now the hippy?
This really is confusing now.
Addendum: Wait, I get it now, is this the point where we write really terrible poetry in broken prose about how we're all in pain and suffering before opening our veins in a bathtub?
Addendum2: No, that would mean Nation would win. Damn them.
I think Miss Dea isn't questioning the dark/cold nature of the parties involved in the channel. I think she questions the legitimacy of the channel itself.
For all of the channel's claims to be a melting pot of all the legal or illegal societies, the present voices for each of the empires is NOT elected and based purely off opinions of those already in power in the channel.
On that, I can agree.
If you're not part of this special group of voices/characters, you're a nobody and simply wrong. As if this channel seeks to overwrite the voices of the majority by assigning chosen heads to null.
Of that, the channel is corrupt.
This is why I take my interactions with fellow capsuleers elsewhere and I recommend you do the same, Miss Dea.
What I find almost funny is all the pilots taking jabs at Miss Dea happen to be members of this special little club. I'm tempted to start a community for "let's see what the club has said about her this time" GǪperhaps I sympathize too much with Miss Dea and have a bias with her being one of the few to finally highlight the corrupt elements of The Summit.
However, if it isn't a bias, and there is some reasoning to be had here, then I find this special club to be guilty of repeatedly bullying the woman. |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
274
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:40:00 -
[156] - Quote
Saber1 wrote: For all of the channel's claims to be a melting pot of all the legal or illegal societies, the present voices for each of the empires is NOT elected and based purely off opinions of those already in power in the channel.
It is people at work, Saber. People want power and are afraid to lose it when they have tasted it.
This channel is a cute example from which you can witness people at work. I might appear to be an outcrying character calling for change but the truth is there's really no where else I'd rather be.
I won't take my interactions elsewhere. I just am reaching out to (true) CONCORD now and other parties behind the power of the capsuleer network to request a channel that isn't soGǪ I like how you put it, corrupt.
Graelyn wrote: Oh look, this catchrag is still posting.
Bleat and sob whatever you like to whomever would submit themselves to your wailing.
I Am True Amarr. I administrate my Holdings to the standards by which they are given unto my charge, by whatever means I see fit, worm.
If a Discarded Slave Bangtoy like you intends to question a Holder's will, no matter the subject, I've got a Holy Sceptre you can apply your only skillset to.
Oh I like you.
Let me give you something a little worse to get your panties in a twist over, your highness..
Did you know that I get to order around Holders every day?
Did you know that I carry two slaver hounds from a Sarum estate whom I use to execute said Holders when their opinion carries any different contrast to my own?
Did you know that entities within the Empire actually do not question my treatment of Amarrian assets and people because I'm an immortal?
I also have some adorable news for you:
Did you know that everyone considers you and I are now equals?
I practically love it. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
211
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:47:00 -
[157] - Quote
Oh good grief. Again, not an official channel. CONCORD, DED or whoever else has about as much say in it as I do. You're at this point pretty much the Diana Kim of this problem, making any legitimate issue look as stupid as yours. |
Saber1
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:00:00 -
[158] - Quote
Jinari Otsito wrote:Oh good grief. Again, not an official channel. CONCORD, DED or whoever else has about as much say in it as I do. You're at this point pretty much the Diana Kim of this problem, making any legitimate issue look as stupid as yours.
I think the channel tries to be, and that's what she aims to bring to light. Can it be considered her personally attacking the channel? Sure. Is there good reasoning behind it? I happen to believe so. I've personally gotten tired of watching this little club use the channel to have their little dramas made manifested. (Not looking at you, Ava.)
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1175
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Posted - 2013.11.05 20:19:00 -
[159] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:
Did you know that everyone considers you and I are now equals?
I doubt you could find ten or twenty capsuleers in this entire forum who think you the equal of the Cardinal.
Name names.
Also, how about starting your own channel?
Oh wait, no one likes you and you are rather unpopular, and it will be a sad and lonely thing.
Prove me wrong. |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
279
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:05:00 -
[160] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote:Isis Dea wrote:
Did you know that everyone considers you and I are now equals?
I doubt you could find ten or twenty capsuleers in this entire forum who think you the equal of the Cardinal. Name names. Also, how about starting your own channel? Oh wait, no one likes you and you are rather unpopular, and it will be a sad and lonely thing. Prove me wrong.
I like how you really don't read prior statements.
1. I don't want to leave. I like The Summit, or moreso, the community there, not the channel's favorites and moderators.
2. This topic is full of the same names, all equally hating of what I call you out on. Yet within the actual channel it is a near constant that there are multiple people (typically lesser known or newer names) who find I'm fair in my statements and very enlightening.
Heck, go ask the Sansha moderator himself how many people came to my defense the moment he threatened moderation.
Here's your problem: You don't like me. As Saber put, your little "club" doesn't like me either. Characters who've been empowered too long within a channel that considers itself the official hub of all New Eden capsuleer interaction.
I remind them that you really are so little in the grander spectrum and that anyone can oppose you, even where you (and all of your little clubbers here) would bully someone around.
I think it's my turn to say, if you don't like it you can leave.
I'm not going anywhere. |
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Viktrix Vhymidor
House Vhymidor
6
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:12:00 -
[161] - Quote
Well this just got more interesting. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1309
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:19:00 -
[162] - Quote
I've no power, nor clout within the Summit, and nothing to cling on to as you so claim against all who are critical of you.
Even I find you to be a self pitying mewling child. What actual credibility your original statement had regarding ethics and members of TSF was lost in the ranting of your oversized ego, refusing to take accountability for the reasons you're disliked. Quit making excuses for your own social failings. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1177
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:23:00 -
[163] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:I like how you really don't read prior statements. 1. I don't want to leave. I like The Summit, or moreso, the community there, not the channel's favorites and moderators. 2. This topic is full of the same names, all equally hating of what I call you out on. Yet within the actual channel it is a near constant that there are multiple people (typically lesser known or newer names) who find I'm fair in my statements and very enlightening. Heck, go ask the Sansha moderator himself how many people came to my defense the moment he threatened moderation. Here's your problem: You don't like me. As Saber put, your little "club" doesn't like me either. Characters who've been empowered too long within a channel that considers itself the official hub of all New Eden capsuleer interaction. I remind them that you really are so little in the grander spectrum and that anyone can oppose you, even where you (and all of your little clubbers here) would bully someone around. I think it's my turn to say, if you don't like it you can leave. I'm not going anywhere.
That doesn't look like a list of capsuleers who consider you the equal of the Cardinal. Still waiting, worm.
And you are of course welcome to stay in the channel so long as you keep it cordial and abide by the rules set forth by the Cardinal.
If you reach a point where your masochistic interest in remaining under the aegis of capsuleers you dislike so much proves to no longer stimulate you, let me know and I will be happy to remove you. |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
279
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:30:00 -
[164] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote:Isis Dea wrote:I like how you really don't read prior statements. 1. I don't want to leave. I like The Summit, or moreso, the community there, not the channel's favorites and moderators. 2. This topic is full of the same names, all equally hating of what I call you out on. Yet within the actual channel it is a near constant that there are multiple people (typically lesser known or newer names) who find I'm fair in my statements and very enlightening. Heck, go ask the Sansha moderator himself how many people came to my defense the moment he threatened moderation. Here's your problem: You don't like me. As Saber put, your little "club" doesn't like me either. Characters who've been empowered too long within a channel that considers itself the official hub of all New Eden capsuleer interaction. I remind them that you really are so little in the grander spectrum and that anyone can oppose you, even where you (and all of your little clubbers here) would bully someone around. I think it's my turn to say, if you don't like it you can leave. I'm not going anywhere. That doesn't look like a list of capsuleers who consider you the equal of the Cardinal. Still waiting, worm. And you are of course welcome to stay in the channel so long as you keep it cordial and abide by the rules set forth by the Cardinal. If you reach a point where your masochistic interest in remaining under the aegis of capsuleers you dislike so much proves to no longer stimulate you, let me know and I will be happy to remove you.
Oh you'll remove me far sooner than that. For that channel is far from neutral.
It'll happen as I continue to treat said Cardinal as an equal. For it is in my blood to spit in his face. And I could care less for how much your club doesn't like me for it.
I'm a rebel, always have, always will be. If you want to remove my capsuleer voice because my character just doesn't mesh well with your kind, then go ahead and do so.
Only you'll be proving the double standard.
Caellach Marellus wrote:I've no power, nor clout within the Summit, and nothing to cling on to as you so claim against all who are critical of you.
Even I find you to be a self pitying mewling child. What actual credibility your original statement had regarding ethics and members of TSF was lost in the ranting of your oversized ego, refusing to take accountability for the reasons you're disliked. Quit making excuses for your own social failings.
SoGǪ ignore all substance of the argument because I'm disliked by a majority, especially where I'd go as far as to argue that majority are power-creeps?
I find it cute how you seek to dodge the argument. But then again, it might be because you're looking to be included in this little club of theirs. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1177
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:40:00 -
[165] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Oh you'll remove me far sooner than that. For that channel is far from neutral. It'll happen as I continue to treat said Cardinal as an equal. For it is in my blood to spit in his face. And I could care less for how much your club doesn't like me for it. I'm a rebel, always have, always will be. If you want to remove my capsuleer voice because my character just doesn't mesh well with your kind, then go ahead and do so. Only you'll be proving the double standard.
For someone who couldn't care less about our little club you have a lot to say about it.
And I would also not suggest 'spitting in the face' of the owner/operator of the channel.
There is certainly no double standard, however. Troublemakers of all shapes are asked to leave now and then.
If your current conduct is an attempt to 'bait' into a ban from the channel for your own purposes I imagine you will soon be successful.
As a moderator I am unfortunately duty bound to make you aware of this.
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Saber1
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:42:00 -
[166] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Oh you'll remove me far sooner than that. For that channel is far from neutral. It'll happen as I continue to treat said Cardinal as an equal. For it is in my blood to spit in his face. And I could care less for how much your club doesn't like me for it. I'm a rebel, always have, always will be. If you want to remove my capsuleer voice because my character just doesn't mesh well with your kind, then go ahead and do so. Only you'll be proving the double standard. For someone who couldn't care less about our little club you have a lot to say about it. And I would also not suggest 'spitting in the face' of the owner/operator of the channel. There is certainly no double standard, however. Troublemakers of all shapes are asked to leave now and then. If your current conduct is an attempt to 'bait' into a ban from the channel for your own purposes I imagine you will soon be successful. As a moderator I am unfortunately duty bound to make you aware of this.
So you claim the channel is built to favor the opinion of the Amarr? Specifically, the Cardinal? What happened to all views/aspects of New Eden?
EDIT: FYI characters are going to spit in a number of people's faces all the time because of where they come from and who they are. Victims of Sansha are one of the main points Miss Dea is referencing as an example of this. |
Iwan Terpalen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
34
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:44:00 -
[167] - Quote
Mildly entertaining, despite the predictable pattern and inevitable conclusion. Like watching flies circling a bug zapper. |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
282
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Posted - 2013.11.05 21:45:00 -
[168] - Quote
Saber1 wrote: So you claim the channel is built to favor the opinion of the Amarr? Specifically, the Cardinal? What happened to all views/aspects of New Eden?
EDIT: FYI characters are going to spit in a number of people's faces all the time because of where they come from and who they are. Victims of Sansha are one of the main points Miss Dea is referencing as an example of this.
And you beat me to it. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1312
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:27:00 -
[169] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote: SoGǪ ignore all substance of the argument because I'm disliked by a majority, especially where I'd go as far as to argue that majority are power-creeps?
I find it cute how you seek to dodge the argument. But then again, it might be because you're looking to be included in this little club of theirs.
The substance was lost in your own irritating attitude, I don't need the opinions of others to help me formulate my own.
Especially opinions that come from people I hold no reason to want to associate with. Of course feel free to impersonate an Ostrich, stick your head in the sand and yell loudly that everyone is just grouping up together to pick on you.
Poor innocent, unassuming you.
Don't worry, your ego will keep you company, that and your sock puppet. |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
282
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:38:00 -
[170] - Quote
Caellach Marellus wrote:Isis Dea wrote: SoGǪ ignore all substance of the argument because I'm disliked by a majority, especially where I'd go as far as to argue that majority are power-creeps?
I find it cute how you seek to dodge the argument. But then again, it might be because you're looking to be included in this little club of theirs.
The substance was lost in your own irritating attitude, I don't need the opinions of others to help me formulate my own. Especially opinions that come from people I hold no reason to want to associate with. Of course feel free to impersonate an Ostrich, stick your head in the sand and yell loudly that everyone is just grouping up together to pick on you. Poor innocent, unassuming you. Don't worry, your ego will keep you company, that and your sock puppet.
Attitude be that irritating to you, eh? I question your neutrality, again.
The only people I've attacked have been the channel favorites, partners, and moderators. For you to take offense means you're somehow trying to include yourself there.
Consider yourself amongst the accused then, since you're so determined to be there.
Only now you're clearly mad and have stopped contributing anything worthy of note. |
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1181
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:45:00 -
[171] - Quote
Still waiting for the list of "everyone" who considers you Graelyn's equal.
Or were you exaggerating your qualifications?
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1312
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:45:00 -
[172] - Quote
You don't need to be offended to find something irritating.
As I said, continue to stick your head in the sand and blame everyone but yourself. |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
285
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Posted - 2013.11.05 22:53:00 -
[173] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote:Still waiting for the list of "everyone" who considers you Graelyn's equal.
Or were you exaggerating your qualifications?
I could care less who else might consider me an equal. I consider myself an equal; as much as the True Slaves consider themselves worthy of contributing even if their presence offends a great many.
And why would I paint you a string of names you can additionally bully?
Or even ban?
No, you can reap me and only me (I'd prefer). Truth should never carry such a price. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1181
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 23:05:00 -
[174] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Still waiting for the list of "everyone" who considers you Graelyn's equal.
Or were you exaggerating your qualifications?
I could care less who else might consider me an equal. I consider myself an equal; as much as the True Slaves consider themselves worthy of contributing even if their presence offends a great many. And why would I paint you a string of names you can additionally bully? Or even ban? No, you can reap me and only me (I'd prefer). Truth should never carry such a price.
Isis Dea wrote:
Did you know that everyone considers you and I are now equals?
This is your statement regarding the Cardinal.
You will choose to prove this, or you will henceforth by definition be a liar.
And as stated before so long as you don't break any channel rules you are more than welcome to stay and enjoy the company of others. Enjoy your stay in the summit!
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Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
290
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:09:00 -
[175] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote: This is your statement regarding the Cardinal.
You will choose to prove this, or you will henceforth by definition be a liar.
And as stated before so long as you don't break any channel rules you are more than welcome to stay and enjoy the company of others. Enjoy your stay in the summit!
Oh no, that opinion has been and can be purely from the opinions of the empires and the mortals.
Unless all you care about are the opinions of other immortals?
In that case I'll certainly never be a favorite. As my life's profession is highlighting how incredibly foul you really areGǪ
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2373
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:11:00 -
[176] - Quote
So this has turned from a legitimate gripe about Kuvakei's minions as moderators... into a full on attack against the channel moderation team itself? |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
290
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:13:00 -
[177] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:So this has turned from a legitimate gripe about Kuvakei's minions as moderators... into a full on attack against the channel moderation team itself?
A little overdue since this entire topic has been an attack on the original poster.
Eye for an eye. If that's how people want to play this game, we'll play it their way.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2373
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:16:00 -
[178] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:So this has turned from a legitimate gripe about Kuvakei's minions as moderators... into a full on attack against the channel moderation team itself? A little overdue since this entire topic has been an attack on the original poster. Eye for an eye. If that's how people want to play this game, we'll play it their way.
I'm a bit confused as to what goal you're aiming for now.
Are you attempting to prove a point of biased moderation by getting banned for attacking us? Are you trying to get us to remove Tiberious as a moderator? Are you trying to draw attention to how you're being treated here?
In the ideal scenario, what would happen for you to be satisfied with the outcome of this thread? |
Saber1
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:18:00 -
[179] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:So this has turned from a legitimate gripe about Kuvakei's minions as moderators... into a full on attack against the channel moderation team itself? A little overdue since this entire topic has been an attack on the original poster. Eye for an eye. If that's how people want to play this game, we'll play it their way. I'm a bit confused as to what goal you're aiming for now. Are you attempting to prove a point of biased moderation by getting banned for attacking us? Are you trying to get us to remove Tiberious as a moderator? Are you trying to draw attention to how you're being treated here? In the ideal scenario, what would happen for you to be satisfied with the outcome of this thread?
I think Miss Dea aims to enlighten everyone to how much of a joke your channel really is.
EDIT: But seriously, I think it's about time everyone stopped posting and let this channel die in peace. |
Bai'xao Meiyi
56
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:22:00 -
[180] - Quote
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. - Book of Missions.
The Covenant, Guristas and Nation, united only in their mutual hatred of the Amarr and Caldari. Nation even stealing members from the other two, enslaving the minds of even the only two factions willing to tolerate the existence of the Nation. Nation are cold, frozen. But all who would seek to tolerate them are lukewarm. A man who would stand by while someone before him committed the worst of crimes against humanity, is just as soulless and corrupted.
Neutrality for the Sansha, supporting the Nation and accepting them as friends are grounds for being stamped out with them.
Graelyn wrote:Isis Dea wrote:I think it's about time this channel stops being recognized in any official capacity. I'm now reaching out to the appropriate parties. I recommend others do the same. Oh look, this catchrag is still posting. Bleat and sob whatever you like to whomever would submit themselves to your wailing. I Am True Amarr. I administrate my Holdings to the standards by which they are given unto my charge, by whatever means I see fit, worm. If a Discarded Slave Bangtoy like you intends to question a Holder's will, no matter the subject, I've got a Holy Sceptre you can apply your only skillset to.
This is by far the most despicable thing I've ever heard from a priest of any kind. Arrogant, disgusting, racist, violent, utterly unnecessary and deeply educational as to just what sort of people guard the Amarr faith. People who will gladly side with a criminal organization of soul destroying infidels who abduct millions hailing from his own faith at every opportunity and a psychopathic Blood Raider who gladly puts thousands of lives in peril, simply for gambling's sake just to spew forth filth at an ex slave.
The fact that you share a title with Kithrus, disgusts me. Such a vile little man gets to be on the same level as him, is trusted to educate anyone on morality and faith. |
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Karmilla Strife
Stormcrows
143
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:22:00 -
[181] - Quote
If we're only going by the opinions of the Empires and Mortals, then I'm an exemplar of the Amarr Empire, a Divine Commodore of it's navies, a Paladin of it's Theology Council, and a trusted agent of it's Ministry of Internal Order. There is a reason why this is not the case for beings such as us.
I don't care about the OP. If you want to **** your way to the top, good on you. But, the opinions of those beneath all of our status are likewise beneath all of our notice. |
Liuni Kalthis
Alexylva Paradox
28
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:24:00 -
[182] - Quote
I have no idea what this has turned into. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1181
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:27:00 -
[183] - Quote
Please describe in detail the accomplishments and specific personal traits the baseliners adore in you.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2374
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:27:00 -
[184] - Quote
Saber1 wrote: I think Miss Dea aims to enlighten everyone to how much of a joke your channel really is.
So, the aim is to discourage others from connecting to it? The ideal outcome would be that everybody stops connecting to the Summit and goes elsewhere?
Quote:EDIT: But seriously, I think it's about time everyone stopped posting and let this channel die in peace.
Channel or thread?
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Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
295
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:31:00 -
[185] - Quote
Bai'xao Meiyi wrote: This is by far the most despicable thing I've ever heard from a priest of any kind. Arrogant, disgusting, racist, violent, utterly unnecessary and deeply educational as to just what sort of people guard the Amarr faith. People who will gladly side with a criminal organization of soul destroying infidels who abduct millions hailing from his own faith at every opportunity and a psychopathic Blood Raider who gladly puts thousands of lives in peril, simply for gambling's sake just to spew forth filth at an ex slave.
The fact that you share a title with Kithrus, disgusts me. Such a vile little man gets to be on the same level as him, is trusted to educate anyone on morality and faith.
There are many double standards at work in The Summit than just the ones I've raised. An example of how corrupt the channel really has become.
Katrina Oniseki wrote: In the ideal scenario, what would happen for you to be satisfied with the outcome of this thread?
An impression. One that I can quote for later times when it comes to how much stock one can put in your laughingstock of a channel.
Also a gentle push in nudging the community toward a more fitting one.
And maybe a little in general enlightenment overall to the real nature of your little Summit club.
Although bonus freakin' points if ya'll dare to clean house because of this. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1181
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:34:00 -
[186] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Bai'xao Meiyi wrote: This is by far the most despicable thing I've ever heard from a priest of any kind. Arrogant, disgusting, racist, violent, utterly unnecessary and deeply educational as to just what sort of people guard the Amarr faith. People who will gladly side with a criminal organization of soul destroying infidels who abduct millions hailing from his own faith at every opportunity and a psychopathic Blood Raider who gladly puts thousands of lives in peril, simply for gambling's sake just to spew forth filth at an ex slave.
The fact that you share a title with Kithrus, disgusts me. Such a vile little man gets to be on the same level as him, is trusted to educate anyone on morality and faith.
There are many double standards at work in The Summit than just the ones I've raised. An example of how corrupt the channel really has become. Katrina Oniseki wrote: In the ideal scenario, what would happen for you to be satisfied with the outcome of this thread?
An impression. One that I can quote for later times when it comes to how much stock one can put in your laughingstock of a channel. Also a gentle push in nudging the community toward a more fitting one. And maybe a little in general enlightenment overall to the real nature of your little Summit club. Although bonus freakin' points if ya'll dare to clean house because of this.
'Intergalactic Summit' is an alternative channel that is I believe officially neutral?
It does not seem very popular, but I'm sure that has nothing to do with the few people who spend time there?
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2375
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:38:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote: An impression. One that I can quote for later times when it comes to how much stock one can put in your laughingstock of a channel.
Also a gentle push in nudging the community toward a more fitting one.
And maybe a little in general enlightenment overall to the real nature of your little Summit club.
Although bonus freakin' points if ya'll dare to clean house because of this.
I see.
Thank you for your answer. |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
301
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:39:00 -
[188] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote:
'Intergalactic Summit' is an alternative channel that is I believe officially neutral?
It does not seem very popular, but I'm sure that has nothing to do with the few people who spend time there?
I'm sure when it comes to the services of chatting and (truly) sharing the opinions of all New Eden, another channel will surface in time that can actually do what it says it does. Without bias, preferred.
Karmilla Strife wrote:Bla bla, the opinions of those beneath all of our statusGǪ
I find it cute that you consider the sum of your being to a social rank that is written off the opinion of a channel that is anything but neutral.
You're something else. |
Saber1
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:44:00 -
[189] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote: Channel or thread?
Thread, sorry.
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1181
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:44:00 -
[190] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:Isis Dea wrote: An impression. One that I can quote for later times when it comes to how much stock one can put in your laughingstock of a channel.
Also a gentle push in nudging the community toward a more fitting one.
And maybe a little in general enlightenment overall to the real nature of your little Summit club.
Although bonus freakin' points if ya'll dare to clean house because of this.
I see. Thank you for your answer.
I think she's going for some sort of Martyr status and hoping to be ejected from the Summit.
Afterwords a popular revolt in the channel!
"BRING BACK ISIS!" they will demand. BRING BACK OUR CHAMPION.
Their voice will shake the heavens.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2232
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:47:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote: In the ideal scenario, what would happen for you to be satisfied with the outcome of this thread?
An impression. One that I can quote for later times when it comes to how much stock one can put in your laughingstock of a channel.
I can do an impression.
"Ooh! Elevate and vindicate me by inclusion into the Moderator Team. No? Then your channel is a laughing stock and will only remain as the most frequented touchstone for Capsuleer networking until one that does service my need for validation eclipses it!"
Sorry. I didn't get the accent right, I know. |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
302
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:51:00 -
[192] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:Isis Dea wrote: An impression. One that I can quote for later times when it comes to how much stock one can put in your laughingstock of a channel.
Also a gentle push in nudging the community toward a more fitting one.
And maybe a little in general enlightenment overall to the real nature of your little Summit club.
Although bonus freakin' points if ya'll dare to clean house because of this.
I see. Thank you for your answer. I think she's going for some sort of Martyr status and hoping to be ejected from the Summit. Afterwords a popular revolt in the channel! "BRING BACK ISIS!" they will demand. BRING BACK OUR CHAMPION. Their voice will shake the heavens.
The fact you imply I would be ejecting for carrying the opinions I have implies you're anything but neutral.
I question your right to be a moderator or to even moderate, since I am a voice of New Eden and my issues surface from the foundations of each of the empires (where especially it comes to the example of Sansha). At times, especially if true to the character in the mirror, there will be people who will hate you for being youGǪ
And you ban them rather than welcome their opinion.
That's an act only fitting for scum. |
Kasuko Merin
Ravenworks Industrial
4
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:54:00 -
[193] - Quote
Helluva lot of 'implying' and speculation in this thread. |
Liuni Kalthis
Alexylva Paradox
28
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:56:00 -
[194] - Quote
Kasuko Merin wrote:Helluva lot of 'implying' and speculation in this thread.
Welcome to the IGS, it is interesting to read however. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2377
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:57:00 -
[195] - Quote
If you wouldn't mind, Isis, I'd like to ask you a few more questions.
Which of the eight moderators do you 'question the right to moderate'?
What is your overall and/or specific opinion on each of the eight moderators of The Summit?
Do these opinions reflect your overall opinion of the Summit's content?
If one were to avoid connecting to The Summit, what would be an alternative venue you'd suggest to them?
Do you take issue with The Summit the users, the moderators, or the way the channel works?
Do you feel that you could improve these issues? If so, how?
In your opinion, what would be the single most important change to the Summit? |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
1259
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Posted - 2013.11.05 23:59:00 -
[196] - Quote
Please forgve me, but this all seems to be a little bit... show-y? Perhaps it is too Caldari of me, but this seems the sort of question best answered by the free market. Let us buy the product we like most, and place the owness on the manufacturer to do the selling.
The Summit is a well-known brand and carries some manner of clout, regardless of the more questionable elements you highlight. If you wish to claim market share, or damage its own current share, however, you will have to do more than a smear campaign - you will have to show a better product for us to purchase in its place. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1183
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Posted - 2013.11.06 00:06:00 -
[197] - Quote
Scherezad wrote:Please forgve me, but this all seems to be a little bit... show-y? Perhaps it is too Caldari of me, but this seems the sort of question best answered by the free market. Let us buy the product we like most, and place the onus on the manufacturer to do the selling.
The Summit is a well-known brand and carries some manner of clout, regardless of the more questionable elements you highlight. If you wish to claim market share, or damage its own current share, however, you will have to do more than a smear campaign - you will have to show a better product for us to purchase in its place.
It's hard to market 'butthurt.'
Bitter taste that product, no matter how you try and dress it up.
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Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
302
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Posted - 2013.11.06 01:26:00 -
[198] - Quote
To Katrina Oniseki:
Which of the eight moderators do you 'question the right to moderate'? The following I question the right to "publicly" moderate The Summit ((with no offense to any of them personally)):
- Tiberious Thessalonia - The man is an enemy to 90% of New Eden. To stay true to ourselves (if part of said side of New Eden) means we're attack him constantly. That plus even suggesting his own opinion automatically brings many to want to fight/contest it due to his affiliation alone.
- Ava Starfire - Her taboo of edgy conflicts and subjects cause her to dodge a far percentage of what actually is New Eden, especially where you dare let all sides of New Eden be involved. That and she doesn't voice radical Minmatar nor the Tribes outside her own very well.
- Silas Vitalia - Her particular brand of Sani Sabik is very untraditional of others following the Sani Sabik way and those of the Empire should be allowed to follow their leaders in condemning her and her faith. I also find her ego getting in the way of judgement far more than it should.
Other than that I have no issue with any of the channel's moderators.
What is your overall and/or specific opinion on each of the eight moderators of The Summit? - This part is key: I love them. They are sharp examples of sides of New Eden and bring to show flavors any pilot should be exposed to with time. They're bold, strong in their opinions, and back themselves formidably. Yet as moderators, especially when such examples such as those I raise within this topic surface, that nature can get in the way of maintaining neutrality very quickly.
Do these opinions reflect your overall opinion of the Summit's content? - Not just my own, but a vast many others who've recently reached out to me. If you're ever wondering about why strong characters haven't been surfacing recently or sought to desire seat within contributing to the channel's purpose, that's why. They have been cut down by these views.
If one were to avoid connecting to The Summit, what would be an alternative venue you'd suggest to them? - At this point, I find neutrality is truly impossible. At least not without allowing personal attacks and characters to bound off each other, even in the edgy nature I try to bring to show. I'd recommend more focused channels featuring the sides of certain laws. But I don't want to give up on the melting pot just yet...
Do you take issue with The Summit the users, the moderators, or the way the channel works? - I find the channel's purpose incredibly noble, yet entirely impossible. Yet I've not lost complete hope, hence why I don't want to run just yet. I think it's more a justice to let all of you know there's something wrong. Even if it means shadowing the meaning of this topic under an attack. I'm afraid that's just more myself, a character sticking true to herself, working. Any additional issues have already been (or are further down) listed.
Do you feel that you could improve these issues? If so, how? - Moderators moderate indirectly, from the shadows, without expressed opinion and intervene only when there's been a clear violation. Classic goers of the channel should know that if they want proper intervention, they need to bait the troubled characters into truly going too far. - Personal attacks should be entirely allowed if you're truly allowing even the controversial to thrive amongst the populace. At least to a large (but certain) extent. - If you truly want a state of neutrality then you shift the channel's ownership (publicly) to CONCORD and the rightful owners of the IGS (as to imply within your channel's title). Also denying posers of the CONCORD ((CCP)) affiliation would add a large extent of legitimacy.
Up to this point, while surely not an official channel, this channel has functioned very similarly to one, providing users with the largest community of capsuleers for a forum. That is something incredibly spectacular but also heralds a very large responsibility.
In your opinion, what would be the single most important change to the Summit? - Reintegrate neutrality. Should that be the freedom of personal attacks and the true floodgates of New Eden's dark nature opened. Or catering to certain laws and holding true to them. In either case, eliminate personal opinions of moderators affecting any act of moderation.
DISCLAIMER: Please do not use these words against me. I am one of the worst examples of any potential moderator and have absolutely no intention of trying to play that role nor climb any social ladder. I've been sitting very quiet for a very long time since the earlier days of The Summit, patiently watching it plummet into what it is now.
It didn't start this way. Even if it means condemning myself amongst the majority to raise these issues to light, I will. I won't wear gloves, I won't be nice, I'll insult far more than I'll likely contribute.
But that is also me, my character, and the curse of.
Just another shade of New Eden, Isis |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1183
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Posted - 2013.11.06 01:52:00 -
[199] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote: I also find her ego getting in the way of judgement far more than it should.
Provide specific examples of moderator actions that are the result of this, or is this more your opinion than fact?
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2380
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Posted - 2013.11.06 02:07:00 -
[200] - Quote
That post has been far more helpful than the entire rest of the thread combined. Thank you for writing it. I'd like to address some concerns of yours, if I may.
First, and before I go any further - allow me to state openly that we know we are not neutral, and we cannot be neutral. You are correct in that this is an impossible goal, as we found it to be long long ago. This is the single largest reason CONCORD decided to break off association from "The Summit" and finally make the effort to make an official CONCORD supported "Intergalactic Summit" channel.
In The Summit, we do not seek neutrality or unbiased moderation. The Summit was originally intended to be something quite different from what it is now, as you already pointed out. Instead, using a word you so appropriate used above, we've opted for the "Melting Pot" ideal, where we allow various cultures to intermingle and only act to bring a sense of civility to the channel. This is perhaps key to what we're trying to do. We're attempting, albeit ineffectively or outright failing at times, to keep the channel civil, not neutral. There is a significant difference.
The Summit is a meeting place of peers, not an official forum for discourse and neutrality. It is, in effect, a club or bar or lounge. You used the word 'club' once before in the pejorative sense, and it's more accurate than you might think. It's a place where fellows of a kind (capsuleers and DUST clones) can get together and chat under the very loose pretense of not smashing each other over the head with the beer bottles. Under that metaphor, the moderators are little more than volunteer bouncers. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that it is a venue more akin to CONCORD's Inner Circle Chambers.
When we tell you to go to the "Intergalactic Summit" channel, we're not telling you to **** off. Well, okay sometimes we are. The point is, we're trying to point out a very different alternative which is closer to what you're describing The Summit should be. We're telling you to go there because we cannot be and will never be what you want. You want this lounge to be an embassy. It's not.
We literally cannot (meaning we are unable to) hand over control to CONCORD. They don't want it. They have their own channel, named the very same as this forum.
We cannot enforce neutrality while being non-neutral ourselves. I'm sorry, but we're volunteer moderators. Not professionals. We could of course be professionals if the users of The Summit wanted to start paying membership fees, and at that point we could seriously consider the prospect of hiring truly neutral and unbiased moderators where money is a more powerful motivator to swallow the boiling anger some of you users can stir up in us.
I understand that you want the Summit to be neutral, but you're effectively barking up the wrong tree. You keep saying it isn't neutral, and you're absolutely right. We agree with you. You're just not hearing us when we say that it's not our intention to be neutral. The purpose of The Summit has changed. It has become something completely different.
There are alternatives to what we have here, as we've pointed out time and time again. Compared to ours, "Intergalactic Summit" channel is not moderated by live users, but by a reporting system instead built into your NEOCOM. That completely hands off approach is just about as close as you can get to the sort of neutrality you request. Even then you will be subject to the interpretations of those reading and answering the reports. More often than not, you'll simply be told to block the offending user. That's neutrality. That's indirect moderation. That's allowing personal attacks. It's everything you ask for, already made.
I hope this helps. |
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Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2013.11.06 02:44:00 -
[201] - Quote
Then perhaps one final question and this one's probably the bread and butter of the entire topic: am I going to be banned for being me?
Judging by the number of people claiming to know what it is I am and are doing, I would like to say you already know me.
However as I look in the mirror I find myself fulfilling a role I honestly think no one prior to me has fulfilled, especially when it comes to the realm of radical Matari.
You say you envision a melting pot, but how well does a melting pot accommodate a girl who really doesn't know her place and refuses to settle? Who dares to even look the Cardinal in the eye and claim he's still a man and only that? Who dares to hold each capsuleer to a standard, even if it is a evil one? Who shines a warped silver light into what we find as taboo within society, not just the slave trade but the pleasure field within it, and those who find their escape there? The Matari who represents the disunity, believes in the violence, doesn't fear death but doesn't seem to know life either, who prides herself in the barbaric nature that many Amarrians would "rightfully" claim of her race?
A bold little vagabond amongst the stars, dabbling with the forbidden, shivering within the cold but finding home there, amongst the gnawing and mashing of metallic teeth... playing pirate because the immortal crowd sickens her but too many have invested within her to ever truly give up.
Is there room for her here?
Or for the sake of the stars does the little black hole need to find somewhere else? |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2382
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Posted - 2013.11.06 02:57:00 -
[202] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Then perhaps one final question and this one's probably the bread and butter of the entire topic: am I going to be banned for being me?
If you mean for this thread? No.
If you have more specific questions on things that you tend to do in The Summit, I'd be happy to answer them in private. I can say that so far, watching you in The Summit, you haven't done anything particularly over the top. You're strange by some standards, and you're a bit irritating by others, but you've stayed within the rules so to speak.
Quote: Judging by the number of people claiming to know what it is I am and are doing, I would like to say you already know me.
However as I look in the mirror I find myself fulfilling a role I honestly think no one prior to me has fulfilled, especially when it comes to the realm of radical Matari.
I don't pretend to know you, so I can't comment on that. Like I said, if you want to provide more specific examples of things you wonder would be moderated, you can ask me in private when we next see each other there.
Quote: You say you envision a melting pot, but how well does a melting pot accommodate a girl who really doesn't know her place and refuses to settle? Who dares to even look the Cardinal in the eye and claim he's still a man and only that? Who dares to hold each capsuleer to a standard, even if it is a evil one? Who shines a warped silver light into what we find as taboo within society, not just the slave trade but the pleasure field within it, and those who find their escape there? The Matari who represents the disunity, believes in the violence, doesn't fear death but doesn't seem to know life either, who prides herself in the barbaric nature that many Amarrians would "rightfully" claim of her race?
A bold little vagabond amongst the stars, dabbling with the forbidden, shivering within the cold but finding home there, amongst the gnawing and mashing of metallic teeth... playing pirate because the immortal crowd sickens her but too many have invested within her to ever truly give up.
Is there room for her here?
Or for the sake of the stars does the little black hole need to find somewhere else?
I can't answer many of those questions for you. We've never really gotten to know each other, or spoken much beyond passing chatter.
I can say though that you've already been all of that so far - and we haven't tried or intended to get rid of you. Where you decide you want to go is up to you, but so far we haven't found reason to make that choice for you.
Despite how angry you've made some of us, you're still welcome in The Summit. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1183
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Posted - 2013.11.06 03:08:00 -
[203] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote:Isis Dea wrote: I also find her ego getting in the way of judgement far more than it should. Provide specific examples my moderator actions that are the result of this, or is this more your opinion than fact?
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Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2013.11.06 03:10:00 -
[204] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Isis Dea wrote: I also find her ego getting in the way of judgement far more than it should. Provide specific examples my moderator actions that are the result of this, or is this more your opinion than fact?
As demonstrated within this thread, easily. Even Saber pointed out where you crossed a line.
Nonetheless, I would like to stay. And of course to be a thorn in people's side as usual.
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1183
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Posted - 2013.11.06 03:18:00 -
[205] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Isis Dea wrote: I also find her ego getting in the way of judgement far more than it should. Provide specific examples my moderator actions that are the result of this, or is this more your opinion than fact? As demonstrated within this thread, easily. Even Saber pointed out where you crossed a line. Nonetheless, I would like to stay. And of course to be a thorn in people's side as usual.
This thread is not the Summit. I don't have to follow Summit rules on the IGS.
Provide an example from The Summit where my moderator actions were the result of a personal agenda and not due to violation of Summit policies. This is important as I am a moderator and pride myself on an essentially sterling record of rare and justified moderation in that channel.
Find just one example.
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Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2013.11.06 03:23:00 -
[206] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote: This thread is not the Summit. I don't have to follow Summit rules on the IGS.
Provide an example from The Summit where my moderator actions were the result of a personal agenda and not due to violation of Summit policies. This is important as I am a moderator and pride myself on an essentially sterling record of rare and justified moderation in that channel.
Find just one example.
Did I specifically say you demonstrated such traits within The Summit? No. I've been referring to you being you in general. While I hope that's something you continue to not show within your power as a moderator, even Saber pointed out you hinted use of your power for personal opinion here.
Common sense considered, I think its safe to assume its only a matter of time. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1183
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Posted - 2013.11.06 03:38:00 -
[207] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote: This thread is not the Summit. I don't have to follow Summit rules on the IGS.
Provide an example from The Summit where my moderator actions were the result of a personal agenda and not due to violation of Summit policies. This is important as I am a moderator and pride myself on an essentially sterling record of rare and justified moderation in that channel.
Find just one example.
Did I specifically say you demonstrated such traits within The Summit? No. I've been referring to you being you in general. While I hope that's something you continue to not show within your power as a moderator, even Saber pointed out you hinted use of your power for personal opinion here. Common sense considered, I think its safe to assume it's only a matter of time.
So you admit you have no evidence of moderator actions by myself being unjustified, and are basing your horrible opinion of my moderation on possible future actions?
You stay classy.
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Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2013.11.06 04:08:00 -
[208] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote: This thread is not the Summit. I don't have to follow Summit rules on the IGS.
Provide an example from The Summit where my moderator actions were the result of a personal agenda and not due to violation of Summit policies. This is important as I am a moderator and pride myself on an essentially sterling record of rare and justified moderation in that channel.
Find just one example.
Did I specifically say you demonstrated such traits within The Summit? No. I've been referring to you being you in general. While I hope that's something you continue to not show within your power as a moderator, even Saber pointed out you hinted use of your power for personal opinion here. Common sense considered, I think its safe to assume it's only a matter of time. So you admit you have no evidence of moderator actions by myself being unjustified, and are basing your horrible opinion of my moderation on possible future actions? You stay classy.
Horrible to you. I've taken you for your implied word, Miss Vitalia. Someone would be stupid not to.
The fact you're this sore over this could easily be another example.
Instead of fighting to get me to say something for you, how about just simply and originally saying, "Thank you for your opinion, Isis. I don't agree with it but you're welcome to it."
I think that would you properly telling me and anyone else monitoring this topic that you really don't let your personal opinion get in the way.
That would be a neutral response.
A moderator response. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1184
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Posted - 2013.11.06 04:18:00 -
[209] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote: This thread is not the Summit. I don't have to follow Summit rules on the IGS.
Provide an example from The Summit where my moderator actions were the result of a personal agenda and not due to violation of Summit policies. This is important as I am a moderator and pride myself on an essentially sterling record of rare and justified moderation in that channel.
Find just one example.
Did I specifically say you demonstrated such traits within The Summit? No. I've been referring to you being you in general. While I hope that's something you continue to not show within your power as a moderator, even Saber pointed out you hinted use of your power for personal opinion here. Common sense considered, I think its safe to assume it's only a matter of time. So you admit you have no evidence of moderator actions by myself being unjustified, and are basing your horrible opinion of my moderation on possible future actions? You stay classy. Horrible to you. I've taken you for your implied word, Miss Vitalia. Someone would be stupid not to. The fact you're this sore over this could easily be another example. Instead of fighting to get me to say something for you, how about just simply and originally saying, "Thank you for your opinion, Isis. I don't agree with it but you're welcome to it." I think that would you properly telling me and anyone else monitoring this topic that you really don't let your personal opinion get in the way. That would be a neutral response. A moderator response.
Actually I'm quite free to shower you with derision as much as I like outside of that one particular channel.
It's a thing called work ethic that one is able to put aside such emotions under different circumstances.
And this notion that often gets repeated that my responding to a few forum threads is somehow a great victory against me and a demonstration of my soreness is just a bit pathetic.
If only there was a way you could effect me in some other, tangible way?
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Ava Starfire
Stormcrows
1263
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Posted - 2013.11.06 04:30:00 -
[210] - Quote
Oh look.
The three moderators she has issues with are precisely the three who have called her out on being an idiot.
Wow.
I'm sure it's just a coincedence. |
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Ava Starfire
Stormcrows
1263
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Posted - 2013.11.06 04:32:00 -
[211] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:radical Matari.
You're in the Caldari Militia.
Just wanted to toss that out there. |
Ava Starfire
Stormcrows
1263
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Posted - 2013.11.06 04:41:00 -
[212] - Quote
Saber1 wrote:Jinari Otsito wrote:Oh good grief. Again, not an official channel. CONCORD, DED or whoever else has about as much say in it as I do. You're at this point pretty much the Diana Kim of this problem, making any legitimate issue look as stupid as yours. I think the channel tries to be, and that's what she aims to bring to light. Can it be considered her personally attacking the channel? Sure. Is there good reasoning behind it? I happen to believe so. I've personally gotten tired of watching this little club use the channel to have their little dramas made manifested. (Not looking at you, Ava.)
What? |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2013.11.06 04:43:00 -
[213] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote: If only there was a way you could effect me in some other, tangible way?
I'm actually at a loss of words now. What is it again you're looking for from me?
And Ava you'd be surprised to know only you've called me an idiot and it was ironically after I called you out in not knowing or caring to learn the other views present within Minmatar society.
You were and have been hell-bent on adopting peaceful resolutions and any use of violence implies we're senseless killers and as you'd put it... idiots.
I don't want to say how many Matari pilots, especially ex-UK ones, laughed at you that day.
P.S. Please don't tell me you're going to use that terrible show of force on the border as your excuse to being Minmatar... the moment you started advocating peaceful resolutions was the day so many of us lost faith in you.
Mind you, that was some time ago. Things do change. |
Ava Starfire
Stormcrows
1263
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Posted - 2013.11.06 04:45:00 -
[214] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote: If only there was a way you could effect me in some other, tangible way?
I'm actually at a loss of words now. What is it again you're looking for from me? And Ava you'd be surprised to know only you've called me an idiot and it was ironically after I called you out in not knowing or caring to learn the other views present within Minmatar society. You were and have been hell-bent on adopting peaceful resolutions and any use of violence implies we're senseless killers and as you'd put it... idiots. I don't want to say how many Matari pilots, especially ex-UK ones, laughed at you that day.
On second thought, no. I'll not go for the cheap pop, and actually respond.
I am well aware of the other views present in Matari society. I even share some of them. I however, have chosen a standpoint which I believe is best for our people, in the long run. We cannot eat revenge. My desire for peace is because I believe it is less harmful to US, not because I particularly want the Empire to continue to exist, or believe that it should not pay for its crimes.
I am sorry you dont like me, I guess? I'm sorry you think I am somehow not fit to be a moderator because I dont have a good enough grasp on views outside my own. Huh. Well, you dont have a very good grasp of mine. I'd say that makes you equally unfit to comment on mine.
We can go in circles forever, cant we?
Also, oddly, no one, from U'k, from any other organization, has ever laughed when I could see or hear it. If you could name names ( you cant, since these people do not exist, in all probability) that would be great, but it doesnt matter.
My achievements, my actions, and yes, my flaws, are all well know. If people laugh at me, they do so in private, where they need not worry about arousing my ire.
We all seem to be laughing at you, however, in the open. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
978
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Posted - 2013.11.06 04:46:00 -
[215] - Quote
I demand an immediate investigation into this supposed super-awesome Summit club, and the reasons why I was not invited. Do you people not understand how important the validation of others is to me? How hurtful it is not to be invited to these real or imagined space parties?
You're all so damn mean.
Especially all you moderators. Probably colluding towards some sort of New Order to oppress us all.
Down with it all!
Am I doing this right, here? |
Ava Starfire
Stormcrows
1263
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Posted - 2013.11.06 04:52:00 -
[216] - Quote
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:I demand an immediate investigation into this supposed super-awesome Summit club, and the reasons why I was not invited. Do you people not understand how important the validation of others is to me? How hurtful it is not to be invited to these real or imagined space parties?
You're all so damn mean.
Especially all you moderators. Probably colluding towards some sort of New Order to oppress us all.
Down with it all!
Am I doing this right, here?
+1 |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2013.11.06 04:54:00 -
[217] - Quote
Ava Starfire wrote: You are an idiot.
And now, you're lashing out because you're upset that people called you one.
Also, you should probably name the people in U'K who supposedly said/did this. I'll wait.
It's almost like you really didn't read anything in this thread.
It's been a long time since you called me an idiot, Ava, at least to my face. Part of me was really hoping it would just be the mutual understanding of two different shades of Matari that put difference between us now. I guess I was wrong.
If that's the case then consider the feeling mutual. I consider you an idiot as well. Happy?
Is this considered a personal attack of a moderator? Am I going to be banned now?
Since apparently Miss Starfire didn't really read a single thing to what this topic was really about. |
Ava Starfire
Stormcrows
1263
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:00:00 -
[218] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Ava Starfire wrote: You are an idiot.
And now, you're lashing out because you're upset that people called you one.
Also, you should probably name the people in U'K who supposedly said/did this. I'll wait.
It's almost like you really didn't read anything in this thread. It's been a long time since you called me an idiot, Ava, at least to my face. Part of me was really hoping it would just be the mutual understanding of two different shades of Matari that put difference between us now. I guess I was wrong. If that's the case then consider the feeling mutual. I consider you an idiot as well. Happy? Is this considered a personal attack of a moderator? Am I going to be banned now? Since apparently Miss Starfire didn't really read a single thing to what this topic was really about.
Youre an idiot. |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
1268
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:09:00 -
[219] - Quote
Ms. Dea, if I may;
This is twice now in the same conversation that you have made claim about a group of people holding some opinion or belief, and then when asked to supply names, you have then changed the subject. I don't mean to cast doubt on your position, but it does raise questions. Perhaps this is something best addressed now, before continuing? |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:11:00 -
[220] - Quote
Ava Starfire wrote: Youre an idiot.
And you've not changed a bit, it seems. Still the limited minded hippie you were then too.
Would it help if I joined you in calling myself an idiot?
Seriously? After all, I actually was one to expect better of you. |
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
979
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:12:00 -
[221] - Quote
Personally I don't frequent the Summit often because while there are many capsuleers I would have no compunction hypothetically driving a blade into their kidney and twisting the knife before I wrap their cooling corpse in a heavy rug and throw over a bridge I realize that they're still capsuleers and unfortunately as a whole the entire situation is like being forced to live with a particularly annoying venereal disease that just never quite goes away. Once it's learned you'll probably never really get used to curing that rash you find ways to harden the **** up and deal with the situation.
Not really sure what all this complaining really accomplishes, because the majority of eggers are still going to be as terrible as a Poitot crotch waffle to deal with. |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:16:00 -
[222] - Quote
Scherezad wrote:Ms. Dea, if I may;
This is twice now in the same conversation that you have made claim about a group of people holding some opinion or belief, and then when asked to supply names, you have then changed the subject. I don't mean to cast doubt on your position, but it does raise questions. Perhaps this is something best addressed now, before continuing?
Isis Dea wrote:
2. This topic is full of the same names, all equally hating of what I call you out on. Yet within the actual channel it is a near constant that there are multiple people (typically lesser known or newer names) who find I'm fair in my statements and very enlightening.
Heck, go ask the Sansha moderator himself how many people came to my defense the moment he threatened moderation.
Here's your problem: You don't like me. As Saber put, your little "club" doesn't like me either. Characters who've been empowered too long within a channel that considers itself the official hub of all New Eden capsuleer interaction.
I remind them that you really are so little in the grander spectrum and that anyone can oppose you, even where you (and all of your little clubbers here) would bully someone around.
Isis Dea wrote: And why would I paint you a string of names you can additionally bully?
Or even ban?
No, you can reap me and only me (I'd prefer). Truth should never carry such a price.
See prior posts. I'm not about to put people on the spot because you want to have a witch hunt.
No. You deal with me. |
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
903
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:27:00 -
[223] - Quote
Isis Dea wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote: This thread is not the Summit. I don't have to follow Summit rules on the IGS.
Provide an example from The Summit where my moderator actions were the result of a personal agenda and not due to violation of Summit policies. This is important as I am a moderator and pride myself on an essentially sterling record of rare and justified moderation in that channel.
Find just one example.
Did I specifically say you demonstrated such traits within The Summit? No. I've been referring to you being you in general. While I hope that's something you continue to not show within your power as a moderator, even Saber pointed out you hinted use of your power for personal opinion here. Common sense considered, I think its safe to assume it's only a matter of time.
Despite being a moderator for some time, Silas has not, to my knowledge, ever let her ego get in the way of her judgment on the Summit. Given the great dislike certain parties have of her, I suspect that if she'd abused the position in any way, the complaints would be loud and clear. She's not popular enough to have slip ups forgiven.
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Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:33:00 -
[224] - Quote
Makkal Hanaya wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote: This thread is not the Summit. I don't have to follow Summit rules on the IGS.
Provide an example from The Summit where my moderator actions were the result of a personal agenda and not due to violation of Summit policies. This is important as I am a moderator and pride myself on an essentially sterling record of rare and justified moderation in that channel.
Find just one example.
Did I specifically say you demonstrated such traits within The Summit? No. I've been referring to you being you in general. While I hope that's something you continue to not show within your power as a moderator, even Saber pointed out you hinted use of your power for personal opinion here. Common sense considered, I think its safe to assume it's only a matter of time. Despite being a moderator for some time, Silas has not, to my knowledge, ever let her ego get in the way of her judgment on the Summit. Given the great dislike certain parties have of her, I suspect that if she'd abused the position in any way, the complaints would be loud and clear. She's not popular enough to have slip ups forgiven.
I'll take your word for it then. I only hope people are allowed to act truly within their own ways around her, as the Sani Sabik faith she carries is very different that the traditional Sani Sabik ways.
Just like with Sansha. If I or anyone else attacks her because of her faith being completely outlawed within their own society, I would hope she is capable of letting it roll off her and not take it personally?
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Karmilla Strife
Stormcrows
143
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:34:00 -
[225] - Quote
Can I be part of this summit club? I really need friends. |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
1268
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:48:00 -
[226] - Quote
I have no interest in hunting anyone, ma'am. It is more about the credibility of the claims that you are making. I think that's where you're losing some traction in your arguments. |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2013.11.06 07:28:00 -
[227] - Quote
Scherezad wrote:I have no interest in hunting anyone, ma'am. It is more about the credibility of the claims that you are making. I think that's where you're losing some traction in your arguments.
You might not. Others here have another story. There's a reason most people use a friend or a false face to make a statement these days, for if your opponent can deface you or even rip your credit apart any weight to your argument has been lost.
I'm not about to put what few friends I can call my own to that. I'm sorry.
If I'm to suffer discredit for this, so be it. Dismiss my words as an opinion alone and be on your way. |
Lasairiona Raske
Aurea Litai Industries Defiance Enterprises
35
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Posted - 2013.11.06 10:49:00 -
[228] - Quote
Here's an idea. Don't like The Summit? Don't like the people that run it? Don't use it! I don't get why this has become almost 12/13 pages of bashing The Summit moderators..... |
Constantin Baracca
194
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:26:00 -
[229] - Quote
Lasairiona Raske wrote:Here's an idea. Don't like The Summit? Don't like the people that run it? Don't use it! I don't get why this has become almost 12/13 pages of bashing The Summit moderators.....
Oh wait, that would make sense
To be fair, given the level of general hostility on the IGS, I'm surprised the moderation team doesn't catch more flack. Nothing puts them above and beyond reproach. In the same way that Isis is absolutely free to question the TSF and to be questioned in return, there is nothing that says she cannot find the moderation team repugnant and hypocritical for their relationship with capsuleers of questionable morality. I don't think disliking the moderators is the same as disliking the IGS. I may not agree with Isis, but considering how many people here are continually blamed for actions that their own grandparents sometimes weren't even alive to condone, I don't see why the mods should somehow be on an untouchable pedestal. We all have to answer for the crimes of our fellows, apparently. The TSF is too horribly tainted to have a member of theirs on the moderation team without extreme scrutiny.
I really don't think Isis should be told to leave simply because she's brought up a valid point about the management here. If we told everyone to leave that judges people to be guilty by association, the IGS would end up largely being myself and Sherezad discussing the commendable range and control of operatic tenor Gui Signon. |
Lasairiona Raske
Aurea Litai Industries Defiance Enterprises
38
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:36:00 -
[230] - Quote
.....The moderation team of The Summit do not run the IGS.... |
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
213
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:50:00 -
[231] - Quote
Really not the nit you should be picking, is it? Then again, I guess it's hard to refute or argue the bits that makes sense.
It is a rather futile effort nonetheless, as the echo chamber faithfully reject and ignore criticism while perpetually reinforcing the notion that "there is no club and if there were it couldn't possibly do any wrong." So much easier to focus on the crackpots and dismiss their concerns, sweeping legitimate ones away without acknowledging their existence.
Almost have to admire the tenacity of the crackpot, though. Others I know who've tried to voice their concerns rarely have the patience to last under the weight of the cult. |
Constantin Baracca
194
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:12:00 -
[232] - Quote
Lasairiona Raske wrote:.....The moderation team of The Summit do not run the IGS....
I'm aware of that, but we are arguing about them on the IGS specifically. I can't speak to the Summit channel considering I've been fairly busy planetside and haven't been there in a few days. Also, I keep somewhat irregular hours, given my occupation, so I can't recall ever seeing Isis there even when I've been in my capsule.
None of which really changes the content of the post. Given all the hostility here on the IGS, there's no reason the moderation team wouldn't come up and be subject to precisely the same treatment we all receive. |
Darian en Chasteaux
EVE University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2013.11.06 23:16:00 -
[233] - Quote
Greetings Peace-Luvvas...or...
There seems to be a 'storm' a brewin here...an the 'crows' are comin home to nest...
Black as it all seems to be on the outside...I beg to differ on thngs of the 'inside'...that is just me...all I see is political musing even to effect and grow one's ego...I am glad I can tolerate half as much to at least understand the goins on of oppressive and negativistic societies...it seems to be rampant in New Eden.
What ever happened to the old codes and the ring of solitude? It must exist somewhere...I am sure it doesnt matter; it is just a pipe dream for me...I am a bystander lookin for a job...anyone got one?
Darian, Space Cowboi Extrordinairee.... |
Iwan Terpalen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
37
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Posted - 2013.11.06 23:35:00 -
[234] - Quote
A storm's just a lotta wind, son. |
Ninavask
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
66
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Posted - 2013.11.13 14:16:00 -
[235] - Quote
Peetty sure if you want loyalist bashing you should have been there around a year ago. Plenty of that.l, it just got old and boring to most. Considering Tibbles there is an expert at out talking....
Late to the party and such... Dr. Ninavask Revan CEO - Commander The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
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