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Ava Starfire
Stormcrows
1263
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Posted - 2013.11.06 04:32:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote:radical Matari.
You're in the Caldari Militia.
Just wanted to toss that out there. |
Ava Starfire
Stormcrows
1263
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Posted - 2013.11.06 04:41:00 -
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Saber1 wrote:Jinari Otsito wrote:Oh good grief. Again, not an official channel. CONCORD, DED or whoever else has about as much say in it as I do. You're at this point pretty much the Diana Kim of this problem, making any legitimate issue look as stupid as yours. I think the channel tries to be, and that's what she aims to bring to light. Can it be considered her personally attacking the channel? Sure. Is there good reasoning behind it? I happen to believe so. I've personally gotten tired of watching this little club use the channel to have their little dramas made manifested. (Not looking at you, Ava.)
What? |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2013.11.06 04:43:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote: If only there was a way you could effect me in some other, tangible way?
I'm actually at a loss of words now. What is it again you're looking for from me?
And Ava you'd be surprised to know only you've called me an idiot and it was ironically after I called you out in not knowing or caring to learn the other views present within Minmatar society.
You were and have been hell-bent on adopting peaceful resolutions and any use of violence implies we're senseless killers and as you'd put it... idiots.
I don't want to say how many Matari pilots, especially ex-UK ones, laughed at you that day.
P.S. Please don't tell me you're going to use that terrible show of force on the border as your excuse to being Minmatar... the moment you started advocating peaceful resolutions was the day so many of us lost faith in you.
Mind you, that was some time ago. Things do change. |
Ava Starfire
Stormcrows
1263
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Posted - 2013.11.06 04:45:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote: If only there was a way you could effect me in some other, tangible way?
I'm actually at a loss of words now. What is it again you're looking for from me? And Ava you'd be surprised to know only you've called me an idiot and it was ironically after I called you out in not knowing or caring to learn the other views present within Minmatar society. You were and have been hell-bent on adopting peaceful resolutions and any use of violence implies we're senseless killers and as you'd put it... idiots. I don't want to say how many Matari pilots, especially ex-UK ones, laughed at you that day.
On second thought, no. I'll not go for the cheap pop, and actually respond.
I am well aware of the other views present in Matari society. I even share some of them. I however, have chosen a standpoint which I believe is best for our people, in the long run. We cannot eat revenge. My desire for peace is because I believe it is less harmful to US, not because I particularly want the Empire to continue to exist, or believe that it should not pay for its crimes.
I am sorry you dont like me, I guess? I'm sorry you think I am somehow not fit to be a moderator because I dont have a good enough grasp on views outside my own. Huh. Well, you dont have a very good grasp of mine. I'd say that makes you equally unfit to comment on mine.
We can go in circles forever, cant we?
Also, oddly, no one, from U'k, from any other organization, has ever laughed when I could see or hear it. If you could name names ( you cant, since these people do not exist, in all probability) that would be great, but it doesnt matter.
My achievements, my actions, and yes, my flaws, are all well know. If people laugh at me, they do so in private, where they need not worry about arousing my ire.
We all seem to be laughing at you, however, in the open. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
978
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Posted - 2013.11.06 04:46:00 -
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I demand an immediate investigation into this supposed super-awesome Summit club, and the reasons why I was not invited. Do you people not understand how important the validation of others is to me? How hurtful it is not to be invited to these real or imagined space parties?
You're all so damn mean.
Especially all you moderators. Probably colluding towards some sort of New Order to oppress us all.
Down with it all!
Am I doing this right, here? |
Ava Starfire
Stormcrows
1263
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Posted - 2013.11.06 04:52:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:I demand an immediate investigation into this supposed super-awesome Summit club, and the reasons why I was not invited. Do you people not understand how important the validation of others is to me? How hurtful it is not to be invited to these real or imagined space parties?
You're all so damn mean.
Especially all you moderators. Probably colluding towards some sort of New Order to oppress us all.
Down with it all!
Am I doing this right, here?
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Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2013.11.06 04:54:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote: You are an idiot.
And now, you're lashing out because you're upset that people called you one.
Also, you should probably name the people in U'K who supposedly said/did this. I'll wait.
It's almost like you really didn't read anything in this thread.
It's been a long time since you called me an idiot, Ava, at least to my face. Part of me was really hoping it would just be the mutual understanding of two different shades of Matari that put difference between us now. I guess I was wrong.
If that's the case then consider the feeling mutual. I consider you an idiot as well. Happy?
Is this considered a personal attack of a moderator? Am I going to be banned now?
Since apparently Miss Starfire didn't really read a single thing to what this topic was really about. |
Ava Starfire
Stormcrows
1263
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:00:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote:Ava Starfire wrote: You are an idiot.
And now, you're lashing out because you're upset that people called you one.
Also, you should probably name the people in U'K who supposedly said/did this. I'll wait.
It's almost like you really didn't read anything in this thread. It's been a long time since you called me an idiot, Ava, at least to my face. Part of me was really hoping it would just be the mutual understanding of two different shades of Matari that put difference between us now. I guess I was wrong. If that's the case then consider the feeling mutual. I consider you an idiot as well. Happy? Is this considered a personal attack of a moderator? Am I going to be banned now? Since apparently Miss Starfire didn't really read a single thing to what this topic was really about.
Youre an idiot. |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
1268
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:09:00 -
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Ms. Dea, if I may;
This is twice now in the same conversation that you have made claim about a group of people holding some opinion or belief, and then when asked to supply names, you have then changed the subject. I don't mean to cast doubt on your position, but it does raise questions. Perhaps this is something best addressed now, before continuing? |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:11:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote: Youre an idiot.
And you've not changed a bit, it seems. Still the limited minded hippie you were then too.
Would it help if I joined you in calling myself an idiot?
Seriously? After all, I actually was one to expect better of you. |
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
979
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:12:00 -
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Personally I don't frequent the Summit often because while there are many capsuleers I would have no compunction hypothetically driving a blade into their kidney and twisting the knife before I wrap their cooling corpse in a heavy rug and throw over a bridge I realize that they're still capsuleers and unfortunately as a whole the entire situation is like being forced to live with a particularly annoying venereal disease that just never quite goes away. Once it's learned you'll probably never really get used to curing that rash you find ways to harden the **** up and deal with the situation.
Not really sure what all this complaining really accomplishes, because the majority of eggers are still going to be as terrible as a Poitot crotch waffle to deal with. |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:16:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:Ms. Dea, if I may;
This is twice now in the same conversation that you have made claim about a group of people holding some opinion or belief, and then when asked to supply names, you have then changed the subject. I don't mean to cast doubt on your position, but it does raise questions. Perhaps this is something best addressed now, before continuing?
Isis Dea wrote:
2. This topic is full of the same names, all equally hating of what I call you out on. Yet within the actual channel it is a near constant that there are multiple people (typically lesser known or newer names) who find I'm fair in my statements and very enlightening.
Heck, go ask the Sansha moderator himself how many people came to my defense the moment he threatened moderation.
Here's your problem: You don't like me. As Saber put, your little "club" doesn't like me either. Characters who've been empowered too long within a channel that considers itself the official hub of all New Eden capsuleer interaction.
I remind them that you really are so little in the grander spectrum and that anyone can oppose you, even where you (and all of your little clubbers here) would bully someone around.
Isis Dea wrote: And why would I paint you a string of names you can additionally bully?
Or even ban?
No, you can reap me and only me (I'd prefer). Truth should never carry such a price.
See prior posts. I'm not about to put people on the spot because you want to have a witch hunt.
No. You deal with me. |
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
903
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:27:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote: This thread is not the Summit. I don't have to follow Summit rules on the IGS.
Provide an example from The Summit where my moderator actions were the result of a personal agenda and not due to violation of Summit policies. This is important as I am a moderator and pride myself on an essentially sterling record of rare and justified moderation in that channel.
Find just one example.
Did I specifically say you demonstrated such traits within The Summit? No. I've been referring to you being you in general. While I hope that's something you continue to not show within your power as a moderator, even Saber pointed out you hinted use of your power for personal opinion here. Common sense considered, I think its safe to assume it's only a matter of time.
Despite being a moderator for some time, Silas has not, to my knowledge, ever let her ego get in the way of her judgment on the Summit. Given the great dislike certain parties have of her, I suspect that if she'd abused the position in any way, the complaints would be loud and clear. She's not popular enough to have slip ups forgiven.
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Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:33:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote: This thread is not the Summit. I don't have to follow Summit rules on the IGS.
Provide an example from The Summit where my moderator actions were the result of a personal agenda and not due to violation of Summit policies. This is important as I am a moderator and pride myself on an essentially sterling record of rare and justified moderation in that channel.
Find just one example.
Did I specifically say you demonstrated such traits within The Summit? No. I've been referring to you being you in general. While I hope that's something you continue to not show within your power as a moderator, even Saber pointed out you hinted use of your power for personal opinion here. Common sense considered, I think its safe to assume it's only a matter of time. Despite being a moderator for some time, Silas has not, to my knowledge, ever let her ego get in the way of her judgment on the Summit. Given the great dislike certain parties have of her, I suspect that if she'd abused the position in any way, the complaints would be loud and clear. She's not popular enough to have slip ups forgiven.
I'll take your word for it then. I only hope people are allowed to act truly within their own ways around her, as the Sani Sabik faith she carries is very different that the traditional Sani Sabik ways.
Just like with Sansha. If I or anyone else attacks her because of her faith being completely outlawed within their own society, I would hope she is capable of letting it roll off her and not take it personally?
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Karmilla Strife
Stormcrows
143
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:34:00 -
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Can I be part of this summit club? I really need friends. |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
1268
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Posted - 2013.11.06 05:48:00 -
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I have no interest in hunting anyone, ma'am. It is more about the credibility of the claims that you are making. I think that's where you're losing some traction in your arguments. |
Isis Dea
State Protectorate Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2013.11.06 07:28:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:I have no interest in hunting anyone, ma'am. It is more about the credibility of the claims that you are making. I think that's where you're losing some traction in your arguments.
You might not. Others here have another story. There's a reason most people use a friend or a false face to make a statement these days, for if your opponent can deface you or even rip your credit apart any weight to your argument has been lost.
I'm not about to put what few friends I can call my own to that. I'm sorry.
If I'm to suffer discredit for this, so be it. Dismiss my words as an opinion alone and be on your way. |
Lasairiona Raske
Aurea Litai Industries Defiance Enterprises
35
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Posted - 2013.11.06 10:49:00 -
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Here's an idea. Don't like The Summit? Don't like the people that run it? Don't use it! I don't get why this has become almost 12/13 pages of bashing The Summit moderators..... |
Constantin Baracca
194
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:26:00 -
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Lasairiona Raske wrote:Here's an idea. Don't like The Summit? Don't like the people that run it? Don't use it! I don't get why this has become almost 12/13 pages of bashing The Summit moderators.....
Oh wait, that would make sense
To be fair, given the level of general hostility on the IGS, I'm surprised the moderation team doesn't catch more flack. Nothing puts them above and beyond reproach. In the same way that Isis is absolutely free to question the TSF and to be questioned in return, there is nothing that says she cannot find the moderation team repugnant and hypocritical for their relationship with capsuleers of questionable morality. I don't think disliking the moderators is the same as disliking the IGS. I may not agree with Isis, but considering how many people here are continually blamed for actions that their own grandparents sometimes weren't even alive to condone, I don't see why the mods should somehow be on an untouchable pedestal. We all have to answer for the crimes of our fellows, apparently. The TSF is too horribly tainted to have a member of theirs on the moderation team without extreme scrutiny.
I really don't think Isis should be told to leave simply because she's brought up a valid point about the management here. If we told everyone to leave that judges people to be guilty by association, the IGS would end up largely being myself and Sherezad discussing the commendable range and control of operatic tenor Gui Signon. |
Lasairiona Raske
Aurea Litai Industries Defiance Enterprises
38
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:36:00 -
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.....The moderation team of The Summit do not run the IGS.... |
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
213
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:50:00 -
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Really not the nit you should be picking, is it? Then again, I guess it's hard to refute or argue the bits that makes sense.
It is a rather futile effort nonetheless, as the echo chamber faithfully reject and ignore criticism while perpetually reinforcing the notion that "there is no club and if there were it couldn't possibly do any wrong." So much easier to focus on the crackpots and dismiss their concerns, sweeping legitimate ones away without acknowledging their existence.
Almost have to admire the tenacity of the crackpot, though. Others I know who've tried to voice their concerns rarely have the patience to last under the weight of the cult. |
Constantin Baracca
194
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:12:00 -
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Lasairiona Raske wrote:.....The moderation team of The Summit do not run the IGS....
I'm aware of that, but we are arguing about them on the IGS specifically. I can't speak to the Summit channel considering I've been fairly busy planetside and haven't been there in a few days. Also, I keep somewhat irregular hours, given my occupation, so I can't recall ever seeing Isis there even when I've been in my capsule.
None of which really changes the content of the post. Given all the hostility here on the IGS, there's no reason the moderation team wouldn't come up and be subject to precisely the same treatment we all receive. |
Darian en Chasteaux
EVE University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2013.11.06 23:16:00 -
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Greetings Peace-Luvvas...or...
There seems to be a 'storm' a brewin here...an the 'crows' are comin home to nest...
Black as it all seems to be on the outside...I beg to differ on thngs of the 'inside'...that is just me...all I see is political musing even to effect and grow one's ego...I am glad I can tolerate half as much to at least understand the goins on of oppressive and negativistic societies...it seems to be rampant in New Eden.
What ever happened to the old codes and the ring of solitude? It must exist somewhere...I am sure it doesnt matter; it is just a pipe dream for me...I am a bystander lookin for a job...anyone got one?
Darian, Space Cowboi Extrordinairee.... |
Iwan Terpalen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
37
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Posted - 2013.11.06 23:35:00 -
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A storm's just a lotta wind, son. |
Ninavask
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
66
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Posted - 2013.11.13 14:16:00 -
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Peetty sure if you want loyalist bashing you should have been there around a year ago. Plenty of that.l, it just got old and boring to most. Considering Tibbles there is an expert at out talking....
Late to the party and such... Dr. Ninavask Revan CEO - Commander The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
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