It's been like that Ithi.

A curious question. After a recent bump into The Summit channel and frequent visits to this forum, I find myself absolutely baffled at the hate posed toward Tibus Heth, Empress Jamyl, or any of these other characters of the various factions.

Yet not even a blink of Sansha Kuvakei and his advocates here.


Moreso, how many of you knew that members of True Slave Foundations are actually moderators of The Summit, exercising their power to intervene the moment anyone brings up a subject they personally don't like?

(No channel rules were violated or were going to be violated during this process in any way.)


SoGǪ Trillons have died, been abducted, stolen, and placed into one man's vision of a utopia who is at war with all the societies we each voice for.

And we are completely fine with his minions running our Summit and/or holding a voice here?


JustGǪ mind.. blown.



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It does seem that Ms Dea's primary concern is that she objects, not to Tiberious but to the involvement of Nation supporters in the channel in general. However, the Summit, if I am not mistaken, exists for the purposes of discourse among loyalists of all factions -- or none -- and as such in the nature of fairness and civil discourse, this is a situation which ought to exist, anyway. If anything, I think we're LACKING moderators from one or two factions, which should be remedied.

So, Jinari Otsito, would it be fair then to say the same standards should be applied here in the IGS?

Should you not be outraged at the cognitive dissonance of the IGS? Should you not be berating CCL for allowing members of Sansha's Nation the right to post here? How about decrying the allowance of TSF to use SCC operated markets? Or the right to use the same high-security stargates as ourselves?

Or even the right to maintain cloning contracts in CONCORD owned stations?

Where are your arguments against the rest of the places they are allowed to go? What makes The Summit so much more horrifying than official areas operated by CONCORD and its affiliates?

So, Jinari Otsito, would it be fair then to say the same standards should be applied here in the IGS?

Should you not be outraged at the cognitive dissonance of the IGS? Should you not be berating CCL for allowing members of Sansha's Nation the right to post here? How about decrying the allowance of TSF to use SCC operated markets? Or the right to use the same high-security stargates as ourselves?

Or even the right to maintain cloning contracts in CONCORD owned stations?

Where are your arguments against the rest of the places they are allowed to go? What makes The Summit so much more horrifying than official areas operated by CONCORD and its affiliates?

5 pages in less than a day? We must be doing something right.

So the most useful thing I learned about the Summit in the past month or so is that if you don't like it, you can leave, or at the very least switch its notifications off and banish it to a dusty corner of your channel lists.

If anything of any importance occurred in the Summit, the OP might have a tenuously drawn point.

But seeking to find outrage in the fact that a Nation loyalist is involved in moderating what is, for the most part, as banal as listening to the puerile chatter of pre-pubescent girls at a grade school sleepover seems to be taking it all a little too seriously.

I frequently get into very long and drawn out disagreements with members of the TS-F. And other groups but that is not the point.

The point is I have never once been banned or threatened with moderation for a disagreement. I have in other personally owned channels and there is a very large air-gap between how it feels to be muted or banned for talking out against someone and being reminded of the rules or that the topic at hand is distasteful. The moderators of the Summit do a very good job of allowing many different voices to be heard. Examples include many pirate factions, slavers, freedom-fighters, racists, humanitarians, those who advocate peace and those who advocate war. Null-bears, care-bears and all the people in between. Members of people who are at outright total warfare against each other.

The Summit is the one place that an actual exchange of opinion can happen outside of deep space and auto cannons.

I have been vocal and opinionated about many things, I have started more arguments and disagreements than I have ended. Most of the members of the Summit have either me personally red or at the least my Alliance. I am there every single day arguing and making enemies more often than not with one or more of the moderators. I assure you, they are performing exactly to standard. The moderators of the Summit as well as it creator(s) have accomplished something that even CONCORD could not and should be praised for the work they put into it.

- Any promotion of personal liberties or individualism is prohibited.

Actually, the situation can be changed by introduction of a couple of easy rules:

- Advertisement or justification of democracy is prohibited.
- Advertisement or justification of freedom is prohibited.
- Talking about fighting for freedom is prohibited.
- All displays of hedonism is prohibited.
- Insulting of Empress and ex-Executor are prohibited.
- Offence against any religion or sect is prohibited.
- Egalitarian talks (speaking as all peoples are equal) are prohibited.
- Translation of any gallentean holoreel, video or music is prohibited.
- Any promotion of personal liberties or individualism is prohibited.

With these simple rules, this channel could become a nice place to speak. Otherwise, it is more like a source of finding hostile elements, pro-gallentean filth and traitors, whom you would like to destroy on contact instead of participating in peaceful and fruitful conversations with them.

Is not Kim the one constantly waving around a vibrator on live-feed?

A gallente vibrator, I might add?

Indeed. Although there is some question as to her awareness of this.

I suspect much merriment to be had by us if.... Gallente docking rights were granted in that particular Caldari station

- Offence against any religion or sect is prohibited.
- Egalitarian talks (speaking as all peoples are equal) are prohibited.

I think it's less a double standard and more the fact that the members of the Kuvakei Fan Club known as True Slaves Foundations by and large actually have a modicum of intelligence to hold a discussion with, even if it's a given that they support Sansha's Nation and all that entails. This is in stark contrast to other Fan Club members, such as that of Tibus Heth who by and large appear to carry themselves with the social graces of pod-induced autism combined with the intelligence of a microwaved eggplant.

In the end it always costs nothing to be polite when you must kill a man. Then again, such a concept requires a degree of subtlety to adhere to which is probably why it so difficult to grasp for those in the Summit who are about as subtle as a brick to the genitals in their thoughts and actions.