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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.30 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 30/08/2003 17:28:37
War with the Fountain Alliance û Retrospective
Hostilities have been ongoing now for the past ten days and the campaign has entered something of a daily routine; Combat Corporations from Fountain continue to operate station blockades and gate ambushes causing broad VA casualties. Reprisal fleet actions are attempted, but thus far it is clear that FA forces are having the better of things by virtue of prepared ground and better communications and logistical support.
Now, with no end in sight for the invasion, and with corporations on both sides of the FA/VA divide gearing up for more significant military clashes in the near future, it may useful for me to provide an overview to the current state of play;
The origin of this dispute lays in the historical conflict between TTI and Evolution; I will not be drawn on the rights and wrongs of this, suffice it to say that these corporations hate and loathe each other, and past conflicts did little to stem the hatred existing between them.
In the last months TTI made a widely publicised strategic decision to transfer fleet and assets to Venal space as a full member corporation of the Venal Alliance. As well as numbers and defence personnel they brought old feuds with them as well; but the owner-captains of Venal are not false in their friendship, and word once given is firm.
The recent flashpoint was the accusation of cooperation between TTI naval assets and Space Invaders privateers in the Pure Blind region; this resulting from engagements where core imperial corporations lost ships and were ultimately recompensed by TTI. This highlighted division in the interests of VA member corps and led to a number of high profile public relations debates and clamour.
It also led Evolution and allies to test the fraternal resolve of VA member corporations, and entering Venal space to pursue the old vendetta against TTI, these Fountain invaders initially declared their intention to target only Taggart ships while respecting NAP rights of VA vessels.
VA in response could do nothing else as an honourable power but to take the field in support of a member corporation, and thus the first shots were fired between VA and FA ships.
Swiftly the conflict escalated as other foes of TTI (and to a lesser extent, piratical VA corps) travelled to Venal to win war-fame and notoriety in battle against the perceivably tottering Venal Alliance. Blade Runners, Cult of Cthulhu, Cornexant, Xanadu, the list grew with every passing day, and swiftly the VA forces were presented with the unpalatable reality of being outnumbered and outmanoeuvred in home territory.
Losses to VA forces have thus far been severe; FA allied tactics have concentrated successfully on blockading in detail against fleet assets while wolf-packing lone combatants as opportunity provides. Communications and electronic static from mass formations of drone-equipped battleships have paralysed incoming fleets and won stunning one-sided victories night after night.
Exact numbers of ship casualties are difficult to assess; but the ratio of 3 to 1 tonnage loss in favour of the FA invasion is not unrealistic.
VA in response has been slow to adjust to the realities of large scale regional war, and the realisation that defensive operations are necessarily inferior in balance to asymmetrical counterattack has been slow in coming.
The industrial powers of VA have also failed to meet the challenge of the invasion appropriately, and too often we have seen new battleships languishing without captains and experienced commanders languishing in useless frustration for the lack of appropriate vessels.
In the past few days the first signs of an extra-regional VA counterattack have emerged; though few in number and power as yet, raiding assets from VA have entered FA space and are beginning combat operations against Fountain ships and industry. The significance of these actions are yet be seen, and formal FA response strategy yet to be proven.
This then is my assessment of the war to date; FA has the initiative and is winning on losses inflicted and territory disrupted. VA has paid a heavy price in fleet losses to simply stay in the game, though fighting spirit yet remains, and the very press of imminent conquest has served to cement alliances between corporations and individuals once estranged and now bound by war and conflict as fraternal allies to the bitter end.
(I would appreciate responses to this statement as factual analysis and discussion of the strategic situation)
Love and peace (for the VA-Council of Owner Captains)
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.30 18:16:00 -
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An accurate and honest portrayal of what is turning out to be a very interesting (and costly) war.
I'll be interested to see when TTI's economic strength starts to play a major part in the battle.
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frstkor13
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Posted - 2003.08.30 18:25:00 -
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Who is to say that TTI's supposed economic strength hasn't already laid it's pair of 3's on the table?
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Dosh
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Posted - 2003.08.30 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Dosh on 30/08/2003 18:44:54
Jade,
You manage to surprise me. A balance, and honest post, with no tiresome flowery bull**** and misdirection like many of your posts at the Summit.
You did get one key fact wrong, however:
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The recent flashpoint was the accusation of cooperation between TTI naval assets and Space Invaders privateers in the Pure Blind region
This is not the flashpoint.
The flashpoint is the discovery of inrrefutable evidence of TTI's secret criminal contract for terrorist hits on Evol/Xan.
I only offer this as an explanation, and am not trying to convince any 3rd parties. There is no need because the verdict has fallen.
I have seen the evidence 1st hand. And it is conclusively damning. It is my hope that in due time, this evidence will be released to the public for the record.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2003.08.30 18:48:00 -
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Having been not in Fountain for the last weeks (after months of continual residence there) I honestly am not in the loop as to what is happening.
However I do know that for the future when player stations come into play Venal has an edge. It is 3 regions where as Fountain is just a single one. Thus more rare ore to mine in Venal.
This is a factor that can not be overlooked, these battles can be in large part about the future.
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Dosh
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Posted - 2003.08.30 18:54:00 -
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I also noticed that the combine Moo/Sinister/Orion Syndicate terrorists have ventured into Fountain in the wee hours and managed to destroy some FA ships.
Congrate for a well executed hit. You guys actually mean business and caused some damages, unlike the pathetic previous attemps by SI/TTI "ninja" pilots.
I hope the payment from TTI are prompt. By my count you made at least 75M ISK. Not bad for a few hours works.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.30 19:16:00 -
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Dosh,
VA aren't doing their own fighting? 
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Riddari
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Posted - 2003.08.30 19:22:00 -
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Quote:
Dosh,
VA aren't doing their own fighting?
TTI let their money do the talking... again
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.30 19:26:00 -
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Orion syndicate can kill?
lol they normally just run... or beg our CEO to end the war with them. Utlar is a master of warping to a gate and insta warping off while he's still invulnerable.
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teh pR3acH3r
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Posted - 2003.08.30 19:26:00 -
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Edited by: teh pR3acH3r on 30/08/2003 19:27:05
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VA aren't doing their own fighting?
moo/sin/and co. are simply taking advantage of the fact that the majority of the FA fighters are in Venal and not Fountain. VA has no influence over 3rd parties in this instance.
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Indefinately MIA
Former CEO Occassus Republica - Military Division Leader
Founding members of the Venal Alliance
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Riddari
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Posted - 2003.08.30 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Riddari on 30/08/2003 19:28:22
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moo/sin/and co. are simply taking advantage of the fact that the majority of the FA fighters are in Venal and not Fountain. VA has no influence over 3rd parties.
m0o have stated that their previous incursions into Fountain have been paid for. These are mercenary operations they run for ISK. I imagine it would have to be a bit more than the 75m I heard about.. Stavros probably makes that in a day.
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teh pR3acH3r
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Posted - 2003.08.30 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: teh pR3acH3r on 30/08/2003 19:35:09
Edited by: teh pR3acH3r on 30/08/2003 19:33:58
m0o have stated that their previous incursions into Fountain have been paid for
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I can not speak to your "previous incursions."
my reply was directed towards recent incidents as i so stated.
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Indefinately MIA
Former CEO Occassus Republica - Military Division Leader
Founding members of the Venal Alliance
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.30 19:38:00 -
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whatever, im going to be using occassus corpses to decorate my hull plating.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.30 19:42:00 -
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Monsieur Dosh, my thanks for your clarification on the matter from your perspective. YouÆll appreciate of course that much of the business of warfare is misdirection and by consequence it is very difficult to sort the reality from the image. I take your interjection at face value however, and would recommend commentators on the broad issue of FA/VA hostilities consider both sides of the ôflashpointö when assessing the implications for future history.
Please understand I do not contend nor seek to cast doubt on your evidence; I speak merely from my own perspective of events and the politics surrounding the onset of hostilities.
Re the journalistic merits of other posts I have made, monsieur, I am sure you will appreciate besides the need for poetry to sweeten bitter pills; I am sir, a publicist and guerrilla marketing professional, and oftimes unpleasant truths need dressing in gaudy colours to disguise the broad malaise. But I make a point of telling no lies. The truth desires only to be free my friend, and ætis tyranny most foul to chain it overlong.
Be assured that in the posts I make to this thread I will strive to present a fair and balanced account of the direction of hostilities. While I will do nothing to endanger VA lives and property by premature revelation of strategy and intentions, I shall do all within my power to present a truthful analysis of matters standing broader comment.
Always in the service of beauty
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.30 19:48:00 -
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Please note gentlemen and ladies, I asked politely that this thread be preserved for factual analysis and discussion of the strategic situation. I'd ask additionally that we avoid undo ranting and spear-waving. Also, virtual ****-measuring contests should probably go in the huge FA/VA thread where they will be at home.
Thanks in advance chaps.
PS Can we limit the use of quoted text ? It makes the thread confusing to read and is usually only there for the purposes of linguistic one-upmanship or destructive deconstruction of stated accounts.
Thanks again
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.08.30 20:08:00 -
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i think one of the reason fountain is winning is that in our region all of the stations are all within a few jumps of each other unlike in venal where they are spread out more which means any attacking forces in fountain will likely get outnumbred very quickly.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2003.08.30 20:11:00 -
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Facts:
-Fountain is single region providing rare minerals for a number of alliances
-Venal has access to 2 other regions providing rare minerals (and easy to defend by defending Venal)
-Venal thus is richer in raw material than Fountain (while Stain has the best situation of these alliances)
-EVOL and TTI have been sparring for quite some time
-m0oSin (abbreviate as mouse?) have been sent into Fountain several times with the mission of going on a rampage there, their reward is ISK and lots of it
Factual analysis is based on facts. Putting up facts is the basis of analysing.
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Mordessa
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Posted - 2003.08.30 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: Mordessa on 30/08/2003 21:48:29
Jade,
Wow I never though the day you would actually write a balanced report. Kudos to you for this.
However we of Evolution, do question your numbers, particularly the 3 to 1 ratio, however since you kept it civil, so shall we.
Now, on to other items we would like to bring up.
We again ask the members of Venal alliance to expel the members of the corporation known as Taggert Transdimensional Inc from the Venal Alliance, and the Venal region.
To all the corporations that have fought us so valiantly in these operations, we do sympathize with you, however we have asked time and time again to hand TTI over to us and yet you all continue to fight. You have all fought beyond the moral call of duty, and yet TTI still stands back and allows you to continually be destroyed while only sending token forces to reinforce your fights.
Venal, stop now. Stop before they use your corporations full assests and then leave you all with nothing, do you all really expect to have TTI coming up to Venal to save you all? I think not, from all intell we have been able to gather, TTI is in full retreat from Venal, and preparing to move to another area, however we cannot confirm any of this, hence the reason we continue with our campaign in Venal.
The choice is up to you all in Venal, but we do hope you will listen to reason, and do as we simply ask.
Let us stop this madness with each other, and allow us to do what must be done.
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Tholian
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Posted - 2003.08.30 22:04:00 -
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Gafton
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Posted - 2003.08.31 00:16:00 -
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The accusation that TTI paid pirate a corp(s) to attack evo has been stated before. If I were to make a decision, I would need to see proof of the accusation. If it's been posted before pls provide a link because I have not been able to find it. TY
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.08.31 00:56:00 -
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Gafton is correct. I for one will not condemn anyone without evidence and there hasn't been any presented yet. I'm still disturbed by the seemingly callous Evolution attitude toward podded newbies early in this conflict in Lonetrek. I'd like to see them reimburse these victims as a good faith gesture. As for TTI I'm sure they have alot of money and I'm wondering why you aren't replying here and defending yourselfs? How many ships has TTI lost?
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.08.31 00:58:00 -
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"Thus more rare ore to mine in Venal."
You would be very upset if you knew how little rare ore is in those two other regions at this time  .
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.31 01:27:00 -
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Gafton, M0o, RUS, sinister PLUS
space invaders and other venal forcers are currently encroaching on fountain space, they flew up here together, bit of a coincidence no?
Dont try tell me that RUS, m0o and sinister arent paid to come here, you are just lying to yourselves. TTI's esionage and war by proxy tactics are what have dragged all of the corps in venal into this. You want someone to blame for your ship losses? have a chat with ragnar.
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.08.31 02:56:00 -
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Heh, we are certainly not cooperating with m0onister or RUS in fountain. I know it's easy to believe from your point of view, but you won't catch any of SI affiliating with those people.
The only reason *some* of SI are in fountain harassing you a bit is because we were bored of the endless repeating cycle going on in Venal and thought it would be fun to relay our usual pirating practices to Fountain.
Is it so hard to believe m0onister and RUS are just vultures taking advantage of the VA/FA war?
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.08.31 02:59:00 -
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And on a diffirent topic, Venal is NOTHING like Fountain or Stain in terms of resources or NPC's at all. Resources are about as crap as you can get or you'll have to want to travel about 20 jumps up into nowhere. The NPC's don't drop a **** (guristas).
The only reason we are in Venal is that it was pretty much the only decently claimable region left at the time the alliance was created.
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.08.31 03:08:00 -
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gurristas drop decent loot theres some up here in fountain.
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.08.31 04:08:00 -
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"gurristas drop decent loot theres some up here in fountain."
99.99999% of what gurista pirates drop is put into the big recycler.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Tholian
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Posted - 2003.08.31 04:38:00 -
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Hey, look on the bright side. At least ppl from the VA will the first ones to explore Jovian Space when Jump Drives become availible.  |
Karash Amerius
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Posted - 2003.08.31 05:05:00 -
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Edited by: Karash Amerius on 31/08/2003 05:05:35
"And so the phoenix would rise in the west, take form and behold the world that was given upon him. For his fire licked the wicked and often the innocent...it strove to reach out towards the stars before its own prophetic ending. Glory would not be denied." - Prophet Taeg Huren, 415th Circuit Book of Flame
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.31 05:47:00 -
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99.99999% of what Venal Alliance pirates drop is put into the big recycler.  
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