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sutty	Posted - 2003.08.31 19:23:00 - [61] mmmm a mining laser joke comming from a tti. one word LOL
Taliranowe Sarum	Posted - 2003.08.31 19:24:00 - [62] Actually Necro been in Fountain attacking lone FA members all week Sutty, so hes one of the TTIs actually trying to fight :) Read the Rules Of Conduct and Terms Of Usage "There is TONS of flaming, personal abuse and other bad behaviour on the In-game board and in In-game world. If everybody would just read the rules and follow them, the EVE world be a much nicer place to be in." Feel free to copy this Signature.
Tehel Necrona	Posted - 2003.08.31 19:24:00 - [63] Quote: why do they have to prove it to you? i mean...they saw the proof accepted it and acted upon it. Now none of us has claimed to want your approval for our actions, we just act. We ask for proof because the severity of the accusations. Unfortunatley accusing someone of paying pirates to attack allies is not a trivial act, indeed you declared war over it. Now i would recommend you supply proof, otherwise the intergrity of any accusations you or evolution chuck out will be severly lacking. -Necro
Tehel Necrona	Posted - 2003.08.31 19:24:00 - [64] Quote: mmmm a mining laser joke comming from a tti. one word LOL its not a word, abrivation of 3. kthxbye :/
Taliranowe Sarum	Posted - 2003.08.31 19:25:00 - [65] considering all proof that we can provide can also be butchered and claimed to be fakes etc as we are indeed online. There is no way to satisfy a proof hungry horde on a forum. Second any proof would ruin our source wich is more than stupid. Read the Rules Of Conduct and Terms Of Usage "There is TONS of flaming, personal abuse and other bad behaviour on the In-game board and in In-game world. If everybody would just read the rules and follow them, the EVE world be a much nicer place to be in." Feel free to copy this Signature.
Tehel Necrona	Posted - 2003.08.31 19:29:00 - [66] Edited by: Tehel Necrona on 31/08/2003 19:32:41 No because had u shown me fair proof, and there is such a thing as fair proof, then i will indeed accept it and consider my current actions in fountain.. Believe it or not, we at TTI have a concious. So your source is more valuable than the friends you have, or once held here at TTI? Really shame on you Lench mate and Grim or whoever is running the show there. -Necro
Leitari	Posted - 2003.08.31 19:42:00 - [67] Taliranowe Sarum: I would very much like to see these proofs so I can judge for myself. Of course I will also want a reply from TTI. So far I havent seen any shred of evidence and with every passing day my opinion of Evol and their allies is falling rapidly in a downward spiral.
Stavros	Posted - 2003.08.31 19:44:00 - [68] Stavros say TTI kicked from Venal. Stavros say OMG OMG OMG OMG HAWR HAWR oh yes. Much funnies.. -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Taliranowe Sarum	Posted - 2003.08.31 19:47:00 - [69] Necro this is a cliche but, nothing personal aight, this is just buisness. For the Record i like TTI for the most part. I've had no problems with you in any way and have several TTI members on my MSN. But at the moment we're at war. So until that war ends i'll shoot upon you. After the war im sure we'll have a bbq and be happy again. Read the Rules Of Conduct and Terms Of Usage "There is TONS of flaming, personal abuse and other bad behaviour on the In-game board and in In-game world. If everybody would just read the rules and follow them, the EVE world be a much nicer place to be in." Feel free to copy this Signature.
High Priestess	Posted - 2003.08.31 20:40:00 - [70] I have to agree with this Necro player. I havent seen any evidence at all and I personally think this is just a bunch of players who got bored because they reached the glass ceiling of Eve (read we need more high level content CCP) and decided to attack someone for fun. No one from Evolution has answered about podkilling newbies before the war and I still have a problem with that activity. Considering Lonetrek isnt the war zone theyve yet to apologize or reimburse the many players who posted here saying they were attacked. As for TTI if they flee I hope everyone realizes Evolution will march in and take over Venal and lock everyone else out (Im pretty sure). They seem to be bored and I wonder which target they will attack next and which corporation will be the subject of their baseless accusations. Come on Evolution show us this evidence. We want to see it and consider people are already accusing you of making stuff up so who cares.
SirMolle	Posted - 2003.08.31 20:53:00 - [71] http://www.bv.net/~elite/tti-paying-edited.JPG Thats all we are going to release, as this is all our source has allowed us to release. Speculate all you want. OUR minds are convinced, and thats all that matters.
Tehel Necrona	Posted - 2003.08.31 20:54:00 - [72] Lench, i'm not having a go because your shooting at me, i like the fact we've finaly got some proper PvP going. However, what i am protesting against is your accusations that have yet to be backed up. It's like spinner closing you in pa, saying you were farming but that he is not willing to show the evidence. It's just not cricket mate. -Necro
Tehel Necrona	Posted - 2003.08.31 20:57:00 - [73] Check the date of the message, that was two days ago, when Xanadu declared their intentions to attack us and well after the start of this thread. Good work Molle, you disgust me. -Necro
GunnyP	Posted - 2003.08.31 21:00:00 - [74] I loathe these forums. If they were an open forum for civil debate, I would probably post more. As it is, they are the place for flame wars, self gratifying drivel, and smack talk. Nothing said here can be truly verified anyway, and that lends itself to the flames and smack talk. That being the case, I prefer to do my talking with my guns on the field of battle, as that is where the ultimate decision will be made anyway. Not here, in a public forum. That being said, I can not sit idly by and let others speak for me when my name and motives may be in question. I lost a Scorpion in battle the other day to an Evo/xan/coc blockade of Y-4 station. I congratulated them on the good kill and left it at that. The next day, I was making the run down to Empire space to get a new Battleship. I had in my hold I had a number of 250 proto rails, some minerals, and other misc. mods for my new BS. Flatliner, Shamrock and some others chased me for 17 systems. In that 17th system, Shamrock was waiting at the jump in point. Due to lag I imagine, when I appeared in space I was already Webbed and scrambled. My warp core stab and two MWDÆs did not help me, and down my Thorax went. I got out with my pod. I said in local ônice kill Shamrockö. Shamrock Eve-mailed me and was asking if I got out in my pod. He also asked, after he retrieved my cargo, if I was fleeing Venal. I replied to him; 1. Nice kill, my hatÆs off to you for chasing me 17 systems and getting the kill, 2. It was cheapened somewhat by me appearing in space webbed/scrambled, but thatÆs how it goes sometimes, 3. I was not leaving Venal, and that those guns and other items were for my new Battleship and 4. That I looked forward to seeing him again soon. So, how that true story gets turned into I was running for the hills to hide I have no idea. I will be in my new BS today, and IÆll see you out there. Regards, GunnyP
SirMolle	Posted - 2003.08.31 21:07:00 - [75] Yes, 2 days ago. Since none take chatlogs as evidence, we started screenshotting things. And really, i dont care, i have enough sources showing us logs and whatnot for the same thing for way back. But hey, you dont believe logs so shrug Our minds are made up. The Verdict has fallen.
High Priestess	Posted - 2003.08.31 21:17:00 - [76] While this is proof of TTI hiring mercenaries Im still waiting for evidence to support this war in the first place. Im beginning to think there isnt any. The "verdict has fallen" post by SirMolle indicated many crimes were committed. Where is the evidence of these crimes? I really want to believe it exists and this entire affair is justified but at this time Ill have to assume there isnt any. Screenshots are nice and here good proof but even chatlogs are informative. If TTI was planning to attack Evolution early on then they obviously are getting what they deserve. But I need to see proof before I believe that of anyone.
Homo Erectus	Posted - 2003.08.31 22:36:00 - [77] HP, i think you should go back and read the topics in the forums that have arrisen in the past week. There have been chat logs posted, by honorable people, and then simply disputed by the TTI puppets. There is nothing that is good enough for the people who are loyal and reside in the pocket of the suit.
The Wretch	Posted - 2003.08.31 22:46:00 - [78] [ 2003.08.31 20:21:36 ] QBall > Here is something I believe is relevent [ 2003.08.31 20:21:40 ] QBall > [ 2003.08.31 19:07:17 ] Ragnar > Howdy [ 2003.08.31 19:07:23 ] QBall > hello [ 2003.08.31 19:07:23 ] Ragnar > I am trying to get Roark in here [ 2003.08.31 19:07:36 ] QBall > i invited him [ 2003.08.31 19:07:45 ] Roark > Okay hey he is here good [ 2003.08.31 19:07:53 ] Roark > I will let Ragnar talk [ 2003.08.31 19:08:22 ] Ragnar > Okay where are you guys coming down on this vote today? [ 2003.08.31 19:09:00 ] QBall > Cyberdyne? [ 2003.08.31 19:09:44 ] Ragnar > Right [ 2003.08.31 19:09:52 ] QBall > wretch is handling the vote [ 2003.08.31 19:10:10 ] QBall > as he is CEO, and I'm pretty sure he's voting to split [ 2003.08.31 19:10:26 ] QBall > I went bar hopping last night didnt get to talk to him much [ 2003.08.31 19:10:30 ] Ragnar > He is voting to kick out TTI and SI right? [ 2003.08.31 19:10:49 ] QBall > I think so [ 2003.08.31 19:10:53 ] QBall > have to ask him though [ 2003.08.31 19:11:03 ] Ragnar > Okay just wanted to be sure. There is a rift coming and there is one side that is safe and one that is not. [ 2003.08.31 19:11:08 ] Roark > Yes that is right. [ 2003.08.31 19:11:34 ] QBall > hm... [ 2003.08.31 19:11:45 ] QBall > TTI gonna go loco on the VA if they get kicked? [ 2003.08.31 19:12:50 ] Ragnar > I just wanted to see where you stood on the matter... thanks. [ 2003.08.31 20:21:52 ] The Wretch > TTI care to explain mother *******? Any corporation that tries to stomp out democracy is no corporation worthy of existing. Heres to their destruction in the coming days. The Wretch Cyberdyne Systems CEO
Stavros	Posted - 2003.08.31 23:00:00 - [79] The cheese stands alone! (just wtf does that mean anyway?) -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Femme Fatal	Posted - 2003.08.31 23:06:00 - [80] I hurt myself laughing.. talk about out-of-game assaults by TTI on my persona :/
Calladen Nimitz	Posted - 2003.08.31 23:16:00 - [81] Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 31/08/2003 23:18:28 I'd like to Congratulate Evolution on an excellent war plan. They divided and caused dissent in the VA and it worked. TTI ships have been the majority in most major VA encounters yet strangely they aren't targeted as much as the other corps. I think this was intentional as losses to the other corps were more 'costly' in terms of replacement. On a side note I also wanted to apologize to Xanadu. While I did receive an email from GM Zworm stating the first petition # sent to me regarding the Scorpion BP was not filed a second was. I believe most of the Xanadu guys are pretty decent folks. As for Evolution I'm not sure what to think. I know PvP is part of the game but honestly I find the constant attacks on TTI tiresome. Its alot like real life - attack the biggest target - for whatever reason. People say we're "arrogant" but to be honest this is a lame excuse and just fodder to justify hating the biggest corp. I was a bit bewildered by it all so I asked Drakmarr (an alpha-tester) about it and he said its "normal" in MMPORG games that the biggest corp is a constant target (often unjustifiably so). So the VA is apparently breaking up, our CEO has put a bounty on Jade Constantine (who probably was in cahoots with Evolution but I cant prove anything and thus won't portray it as proof). TTI has taken the hardline that anyone who voted against them in the "expulsion vote" is now an enemy. Well at least in this case we're starting a fight instead of being attacked for no reason? Anyway good job Evolution nicely played. As for Calladen don't expect to see much of him. My enjoyment of the game is gone (I'm a carebear after all) so I've made some alts and just play in a new corp and have fun being left alone. It was either that or quit completely. I do hope CCP puts in some higher-level content so people have something to strive for. It's pretty clear this Evolution war deal wasn't based on any fact just a case of some guys getting bored. Same with Xanadu (thats what they told one of our members). To the Foutain Alliance guys your probably going to be surprised to know who my "alt" is but I won't tell you who I "really am". After all I'm a carebear and just like to mine. Calladen Nimitz
Stavros	Posted - 2003.08.31 23:39:00 - [82] you are truly truly hilarious... you are not the biggest corp in eve, you are the most annoying. Stain is prolly the biggest entity in eve so if they were after the biggest they would go after them. You'll notice that stain however doesn't make the kind of self righteous arrogant posts you see above. You portray yourself and your corp as the good guys of the universe who are always getting picked on and this just isn't true. Thats what gets on most peoples nerves nothing else. Most corps are honest about who they are and what they do, whilst TTI seem obsessed with trying to get the best of the dark eve underworld of eve was trying to maintain their squeeky clean image. I fight with stain, fountain etc for kicks and cos its a game. But I hate TTi and everything that is associated with you in this game :) CAN YOU FEEL THE LURVE PEOPLE? Stav -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
SirMolle	Posted - 2003.08.31 23:51:00 - [83] I'm sorry, but i just cant resist. ------ from VA-meeting today. Ragnar > "Taggart does not recognize the authority of this council, nor the voting power of a corp 1/100th of our size having the same power to limit our sovereignty. It is clear that the anti TTI effort has been led by Jade Constantine, who has been bought off by Evolution. Tankuk > wtf Athule Snanm > hmmmm jimmychopps > . We will start with a 100 million bounty on Jade Constantine with 100 million in bounties, paid for 5 mil ISK each for 20 corpses. TTI and SI and our friends will remain in Venal and we will openly attack all of the pro-Evolution people that have just voted against their one-time friends in TTI. If you wish to open relations, contact Jimmychopps now. Otherwise, you will be targetted. ----------------- Nicely played TTI, first, you win the vote which was threatening to kick you out of VA. Then, you **** all corps off to a degree where they all turn on you. I sure hope you grow some sense Ragnar. The Verdict Has Fallen.
Stavros	Posted - 2003.08.31 23:53:00 - [84] must not agree with moll.... must resssissst.... dammmiiit...... -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Calladen Nimitz	Posted - 2003.08.31 23:56:00 - [85] OK Stav just to humor you a little. WHo is the CEO of Stain? WHere is their headquarters base? I'm talking about an individual corp here not an alliance. As for hating TTI and saying we're "shady" the ONLY thing I've seen posted is a 2-day old screenshot showing a payoff. If there is anything else I've not seen it. Yes we're Caldari Capitalists which means we do anything for a buck. Your anti-capitalism attitude no different from the real life anti-microsoft junk we see on the internet (like the virus guy who included "Billy Gates stop making money why do you let this happen" in his LoveSan bug). I know I personally am an honest businessman and have also HELPED many people (including newbies) get started in Eve. Then again I'm a carebear and thats what gives me enjoyment. I've not paid for hits, I've not ripped people off, I've not kept money sent to me wrongly (yes someone sent me $15million isk a few weeks ago - not a TTI person - I did return it), I don't come to the boards and lie because I don't lie for a habit in real life. In other words what you see is what you get so go "flame on" and insult me again. I could really care less what you think of TTI as a whole but personal attacks on ME are out of line. Calladen
Homo Erectus	Posted - 2003.08.31 23:56:00 - [86] Edited by: Homo Erectus on 01/09/2003 00:01:22 You are good at spin doctoring facts Nimitz. propz to you for your skills at bull**ting. Let me just put a disclaimer on your crap so that innocent people aren't convinced of your lies. Quote: TTI ships have been the majority in most major VA encounters yet strangely they aren't targeted as much as the other corps. Lie. There are more frozen corpse in Evolution lockup from TTI origin than any other VA corp. But, when the going gets tough, it is true that TTI becomes the minority, as they log off, hide in stations or in the middle of nowwhere. Quote: Its alot like real life - attack the biggest target - for whatever reason. People say we're "arrogant" but to be honest this is a lame excuse and just fodder to justify hating the biggest corp. I was a bit bewildered by it all so I asked Drakmarr (an alpha-tester) about it and he said its "normal" in MMPORG games that the biggest corp is a constant target (often unjustifiably so) I have been an alpha tester in this mmog, and a beta tester for a year of JG testing, another mmog. While I can agree that the biggest tree in the woods is often the prize timber to be cut, it is not the case this time. The case this time was retribution. Deny it all you want Taggart, but your chiefs and the people who are justified in killing you know the truth. The truth is that you paid for hits on Xan and Evol pilots. That's the truth. No matter how much your uninformed drones deny it, it won't change. Quote: our CEO has put a bounty on Jade Constantine (who probably was in cahoots with Evolution but I cant prove anything and thus won't portray it as proof) I wish you would take that stance with some other things. Quote: Well at least in this case we're starting a fight instead of being attacked for no reason? Again, more bs. There was a damn good reason. Quote:** It's pretty clear this Evolution war deal wasn't based on any fact just a case of some guys getting bored. And again, the carebear cries falsities. Nimitz, bye. Please hold true to your word for once, and leave. Take your lies and spin doctoring with you, please.
Calladen Nimitz	Posted - 2003.08.31 23:59:00 - [87] Homo, "The truth is that you paid for hits on Xan and Evol pilots." A two day old screenshot isnt proof and to be honest its a good reaction after being attacked. Wheres your original "evidence" I'm still waiting. I've been pretty good about being honest on the boards and I've been critical of even TTI on occasion. I even apologize for mistakes I make. So give me a little credit for being objective and honest? Lets see what you've got. Calladen
QBall	Posted - 2003.09.01 00:00:00 - [88] Funny thing is vote has just passed to give full support to war effort against fountain. Then good ol' TTI had to go grab a neutron cannon and shoot themselves in the foot. Approx 80% of current Venal Alliance has broken off, headed up by myself and Jade. Any corporation wanting to help us rid the galaxy of TTI will be given membership based upon their help in this war. Space Invader's has teamed up with TTI and are considered to be very hostile also. TTI and SI can be expected to be moving large amount's of cargo out of venal now that there protectorite force has fallen. Help us cleans the Venal region of those evil corporation and rebuild a great Northern Empire. -------- "OMG IT'S TRAMMEL 2.0!!!!" -QBall And QQ is QQ
Stavros	Posted - 2003.09.01 00:03:00 - [89] lol calladan, stains headquarters is stain same as yours WAS venal. your corp is badly run, badly secured and playing WAY out of its league. reap the whirlwind chum :) -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Homo Erectus	Posted - 2003.09.01 00:05:00 - [90] Cearbear Nimitz, we have a log from one of the most trustworthy people in this game that is weeks old. That's proof. No matter how much you pray to ragnar's belt buckle for it not to be true, it is. Your deaths have been justified.

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