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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.08.31 06:59:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 31/08/2003 07:08:18
@Jade Constantine
You have my respect for this post.
Keep making posts like that, and you'll keep it (whether it matters to you or not )
A very 'fresh' read, amongst all the propaganda (which all wars inevitable(sp) will have)
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Let me add some facts which could be a contributing factor to the (current) FA 'upperhand' in this conflict:
I've somewhere seen stated (by a VA member) that VA has only 200 pilots (which I for the record belive is vastly underestimated!) - compare this to the 1000+ pilots of FA* (this is a *very* rough estimate!!!).
Basicallty VA is outnumbered (even with the added help of moo/sin/RUS).
This means that a prolonged war (which this already is) will be to the benefit of FA.
*The number is based on the number of votes cast at our council meetings.
I took a random vote and counted the votes cast - the total was 783. With ~half the corps present at that particular voting. So it seems reasonable to put our numbers at 1000+ (and not simply 2*783=1566, as these numbers include alts)
BIG Lottery
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Ayn Rand
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Posted - 2003.08.31 08:27:00 -
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Since the incursion began 9 days ago into Venal, TTI has lost 4 battleships (Miri, Roark, GunnyP, and Rokisha). TTI has been involved in the destruction of 5 Evolution ships (3 losses in battles outside the station in Y-4 and 2 more straggler EVOL caught by chasing fleets inside other systems in Venal. This is detailed in a post in the private section of the TTI website. If our numbers were inaccurate, other members of TTI would come out and say it.
TTI does not lie on these numbers. Anyone from TTI will agree that the 15-post long internal thread has no one that lost a battleship in addition to the 4 lost to Evolution + Xanadu + CoC + whoever else is bored with the game and coming to fight the "weak" TTI.
No doubt VA has lost many ships as well, but TTI can only account for its own assets lost. TTI is keeping score with battleships kills (cruiser kills are annoying but not financially significant), and the score thus far is 5 Evo BShips dead and 4 TTI BShips dead. At TTI, we do not claim to be winning the war, just breaking even. Meanwhile the rest of our people are in practically every region of space performing business while the military guys have fun in Venal.
To be sure, our enemies will call us "liars", but any attempts to cause strife within TTI with such posts will fall on deaf ears, as we all know we are telling the truth.
As for who TTI has business deals with, all that shall remain private and anything that may or may not be "exposed" is only the tip of the iceberg. Our relationships run deep and trusted in areas of space one does not normally expect. People have been fabricating stuff against TTI for the last 9 months and we grow stronger with each foray into the news. TTI's strength is in its integrity and honest members who can use the gears of capitalism to make their lives and loves come easier than most. The Venal region is indeed a nice area, but it is only one of Taggart's spheres of concentration. Anyone that thinks TTI's economic prowess comes from a their few operations in Venal is quite confused.
Ayn Rand - Taggart |
Revolution
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Posted - 2003.08.31 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Revolution on 31/08/2003 08:49:55
bleh
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.08.31 08:57:00 -
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You can say all that without that kind of language - PrimerX |
Revolution
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Posted - 2003.08.31 08:59:00 -
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Yes, but we have killed 15 of your allies battleships as well as yours. Also a large number of cruisers and various other ships, not including the bships you lost the week prior to our little operation :)
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Lex Luger
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Posted - 2003.08.31 09:01:00 -
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Homo , you are a sad little loser.
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.08.31 09:04:00 -
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And I'm sorry I f'd up your post by yelling at the idiot in the suit, Jade.
ps. eat me lex, you bookend. |
High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.08.31 10:49:00 -
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Homo Erectus,
I find your language to be inexcusable. If you want people to believe what you say please present it in a polite manner. Foul mouth posts such as you do nothing to add to your credibility. You will probably call me names as well but you look like a little kid (seriously) with a post like that. If you disagree with TTI perhaps try something like this:
"I disagree with Ayn Rands numbers. While TTI admits to losing four battleships I in fact count six among their losses as BeenThere and DeadPilot also lost battleships. The claims of these pilots losing cruisers only are inaccurate and more evidence of TTI propoganda. It is also true the allies of TTI have lost numerous battleships and cruisers."
Something like this looks alot better and doesnt look like it came out of the gutter. It is certainly your right to talk like this but from a maturity standpoint it looks completely immature. Whether you flame me now or not is irrelevant. Whats important is whether you will come around and act like an adult or continue this foul mouthed garbage. I for one would appreciate not seeing that type of language again. Thank you.
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.08.31 10:53:00 -
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Homo Erectus,
I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm jumping on you. I just find "F this - F that" very offensive. You dont have to talk like that to get your point across. Ive seen you make other well written posts and really know you can do it when you set your mind to it. Thank you.
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.08.31 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Homo Erectus on 31/08/2003 11:04:22
That's me.
The 2 things that I hate most in the world are liars, and hypocrits. TTI has displayed itself as both.
I do not agree with what you say of presenting my say in a polite manner to gain belief. I am not a con. Ragnar and Ayn are cons/liars, and they both post politely and with good grammar.
Grammar and etiquette mean nothing to the truth.
I apologize for my language, though. |
SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.31 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: SkyLeach on 31/08/2003 11:09:24
Also, part of the reason TTI's losses will be below the losses of their allies is.. TTI hide in stations and high sec space and leave the fighting to the smaller corps in venal.
How brave and honorable you are Ragnar.
Q: If TTI's forces are so adept, why dont you send your fleet to Fountain and cause us some hurt? This is a question your allies should be asking. you are the large corp with the wealth and fleets that outnumber theirs many times -- so why are they the ones fighting for you and not the other way around?
A: Because your fleet is a bunch of miners in battleships who would get utterly wasted if they even thought about coming to fountain to fight, fighting is a concept that is alien to you, hell you wouldnt mine a rock if it fought back with a Civ gattling.
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.08.31 11:17:00 -
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SkyLeach,
You may be correct in stating TTI is a corp of miners. I would like to ask any TTI person what the makeup of the fleets in Venal we've seen screenshots are? How many (percentage) of those ships in the pictures are TTI ships and how many are the other corps?
There is another possibility. That being TTI is so busy making money (and supplying those other corps) in which case they may indeed be smart in this strategy. If in fact they are also paying these other corps like RUS and m0o to attack fountain they may consider that a better use of their isk then trying to fight themselves and losing ships.
Either way it's clear from a standpoint of neutrality that TTI is getting the better of Evolution corp vs. corp and loss vs. loss. It seems they are failing in their quest to drive TTI from Venal. If anything as Ayn Rand has stated they are making more money then ever in other regions, behind a shellgame of shell corporations, while supplying their military and the other corps with weapons and ships.
Ive always had my doubts TTI is even a real company. They seem more like a loose group of different companies ingame. If this is true it may be completely impossible to "destroy" them as such. From the sounds of it the attacks on Venal are producing mixed results as are the attacks in Fountain. What are the losses in Fountain anyway I've not seen any Venal Alliance post about it?
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frstkor13
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Posted - 2003.08.31 11:43:00 -
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TTI has been fleeing Venal hardcore in the past 24 hours. One of their ships that was downed as it was trying to escape the area, had 8 250mm prototype guassian's.
There's another battleship worth of isk right there. |
Femme Fatal
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Posted - 2003.08.31 11:48:00 -
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Hehehe, this is making my day
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Revolution
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Posted - 2003.08.31 11:50:00 -
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Yep, tti have left venal and seem to be in hiding atm ;(
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.31 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: SkyLeach on 31/08/2003 13:32:53
High priestess, ill present this without any propaganda or gloss:
check the map and see how many active pilots are in space in Venal. check the screenshots section of the player website out too, i posted one during peak time when there was just 5 ships in venal, and they where EVO ships as i talked to the fleet captains in chat.
Now, check Jade constantines post out, a venal alliance member her self. An honest news report, im sure her alliance members thought too honest.
If TTI are making more money out in high sec space.. why the hell did they ever leave it?
Why join an alliance if you do not help and defend your allies, our corp does it for fountain. Last night several RUS ships and other pirates came into the system (news report in the new SCOPE forum on this board)
Every single CME ship online was involved in the defence of the system. scouting or guarding. Not hiding in stations "im only a miner!" bull. We even had a guy in a vigil out there waiting to fight battleships!
Why in a vigil? -- cos hes a nutter who likes frigates :/
(yes frigate pilots DO exist! heh)
Now amount of glaze or polishing will cover up the fact that TTI = Cowards with money.
And before Calladen posts here telling us how he didnt join the game for all this PVP crap and how unfair the world is.. why the hell is he their "military" commander? (or boy scouts whatever) dammit did he read the box (or all 5 boxes in his case) before buying the game?
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.31 13:51:00 -
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Left Venal? News to me :(
-Necro
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.31 14:04:00 -
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Tehel, go read he SCOPE forum, even your own members and allies are telling the press and others the same thing. so are our scouts and FA forces in Venal. TTI => GONE.
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Derek
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Posted - 2003.08.31 15:27:00 -
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We are not gone thank you. I'm still here as are many many others.
I think some forget that TTI has always been spread out and when they now see one person leaving they start assuming we are running.
Its obivously stupid to stay in Y4 to mine as its pretty much a battleground now. So the miners are going somewhere else to mine. Pretty common sense if you ask me.
Did anyone ask Gunny where he was going with those guns? Did you just assume he was moving them to LT to store? hmmmm . Maybe you guys jump the gun a bit to quick when you are in a rush to brag on the boards.
_______________________________________________2005.05.02 03:56:57combatYour Mega Pulse Laser II perfectly strikes Sansha's Battletower, wrecking for 1190.5 damage._ |
Tholian
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Posted - 2003.08.31 15:57:00 -
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A lot of ppl know that the in-game map isn't accurate about portraying the number of pilots in space SkyLeach. You as the CEO of a corporation should know this.... |
Flatliner
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Posted - 2003.08.31 16:36:00 -
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TTI I hold you guilty of usery.
Most of the smaller Venal corporations have been destroyed in this war, the medium & larger ones bore the brunt of attacks by Evol, CoC, Xan. Most of these corps now have nothing or very little, and have left Venal region.
Everytime in engagements TTI only showed partial help to there Venal allies.
Sometimes they even docked or warped out and left there allies to be destroyed.
It really saddens me to see so many brave pilots wasted so badly for an ally such as TTI.
I hope for the sake of those that fought us, and now stand with nothing left but a dream that once was, you TTI recompensate them with what they lost. These people fought and died for you, and now your pulling out of the region now that most of the alliance is shattered.
I hope those on the inside and the outside now see you for what you are.
This is my own recollection on events I have seen my self, others may see it differently.
But I was there in Venal for over 10 days, sometimes over 12hrs a day online there.
Each day brought more hatred towards TTI as I saw there allies used over and over again to fight for TTI. Some pilots have been killed repeatedly, docked, got in a new ship and came straight back out to fight us, only to be killed again.
This is my personal view on events there and in no way that of Evolution.
No lies in this post.
For those who fought and lost, I salute you.
Flatliner.
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Tholian
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Posted - 2003.08.31 17:18:00 -
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Guys, don't listen to this propaganda BS from Evolution. They are trying to drive a wedge b/w TTI and VA. Divide and Conquer...... |
SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.31 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: SkyLeach on 31/08/2003 17:22:25
So you wont mind if we come up to check your gone then will you derek?
And im not the CEO, im a director.
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Tholian
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Posted - 2003.08.31 17:31:00 -
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My mistake then. I apologize. |
Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.31 18:13:00 -
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Well I won't lie about my losses - I lost a blackbird.
I took off my rare guns though :)
The only thing that bites is I had some cruise missiles on board that I lost :(
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.31 18:17:00 -
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[ooc]
I have some you can have Ulstan... where do you want them? port or starboard?
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Gafton
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Posted - 2003.08.31 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Gafton on 31/08/2003 18:52:17
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[ooc]
I have some you can have Ulstan... where do you want them? port or starboard?
ROFL!!!!!!
Edit: Should add I still havnt seen any solid proof beyond speculation that TTI paid another corp to hunt evo. If evo keeps plugging this as fact they need to provide proof of the matter. Until proof is displayed then it's just rumor and heresay.
Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead. |
Taliranowe Sarum
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Posted - 2003.08.31 19:17:00 -
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why do they have to prove it to you? i mean...they saw the proof accepted it and acted upon it. Now none of us has claimed to want your approval for our actions, we just act.
Read the Rules Of Conduct and Terms Of Usage
"There is TONS of flaming, personal abuse and
other bad behaviour on the In-game board and in In-game world. If everybody would just read the rules and follow them, the EVE world be a much nicer place to be in."
Feel free to copy this Signature. |
Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.31 19:17:00 -
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Quote:
Tehel, go read he SCOPE forum, even your own members and allies are telling the press and others the same thing. so are our scouts and FA forces in Venal. TTI => GONE.
Hmmm let me see... a newspaper + the opposition corporation tell you something about your corporation you take their word for it? Get a clue please.
A few members going to lonetrek for buisness is not us running scared. If you must know GunnyP was on route to pickup a battleship to erm... to fight, w00t.
Assumption, the cause of all mistakes.
-Necro
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.31 19:18:00 -
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Quote:
Edited by: SkyLeach on 31/08/2003 17:22:25
So you wont mind if we come up to check your gone then will you derek?
And im not the CEO, im a director.
Just remember to take off your Mining lasers. *ouch*
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