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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.30 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 30/08/2003 17:28:37
War with the Fountain Alliance û Retrospective
Hostilities have been ongoing now for the past ten days and the campaign has entered something of a daily routine; Combat Corporations from Fountain continue to operate station blockades and gate ambushes causing broad VA casualties. Reprisal fleet actions are attempted, but thus far it is clear that FA forces are having the better of things by virtue of prepared ground and better communications and logistical support.
Now, with no end in sight for the invasion, and with corporations on both sides of the FA/VA divide gearing up for more significant military clashes in the near future, it may useful for me to provide an overview to the current state of play;
The origin of this dispute lays in the historical conflict between TTI and Evolution; I will not be drawn on the rights and wrongs of this, suffice it to say that these corporations hate and loathe each other, and past conflicts did little to stem the hatred existing between them.
In the last months TTI made a widely publicised strategic decision to transfer fleet and assets to Venal space as a full member corporation of the Venal Alliance. As well as numbers and defence personnel they brought old feuds with them as well; but the owner-captains of Venal are not false in their friendship, and word once given is firm.
The recent flashpoint was the accusation of cooperation between TTI naval assets and Space Invaders privateers in the Pure Blind region; this resulting from engagements where core imperial corporations lost ships and were ultimately recompensed by TTI. This highlighted division in the interests of VA member corps and led to a number of high profile public relations debates and clamour.
It also led Evolution and allies to test the fraternal resolve of VA member corporations, and entering Venal space to pursue the old vendetta against TTI, these Fountain invaders initially declared their intention to target only Taggart ships while respecting NAP rights of VA vessels.
VA in response could do nothing else as an honourable power but to take the field in support of a member corporation, and thus the first shots were fired between VA and FA ships.
Swiftly the conflict escalated as other foes of TTI (and to a lesser extent, piratical VA corps) travelled to Venal to win war-fame and notoriety in battle against the perceivably tottering Venal Alliance. Blade Runners, Cult of Cthulhu, Cornexant, Xanadu, the list grew with every passing day, and swiftly the VA forces were presented with the unpalatable reality of being outnumbered and outmanoeuvred in home territory.
Losses to VA forces have thus far been severe; FA allied tactics have concentrated successfully on blockading in detail against fleet assets while wolf-packing lone combatants as opportunity provides. Communications and electronic static from mass formations of drone-equipped battleships have paralysed incoming fleets and won stunning one-sided victories night after night.
Exact numbers of ship casualties are difficult to assess; but the ratio of 3 to 1 tonnage loss in favour of the FA invasion is not unrealistic.
VA in response has been slow to adjust to the realities of large scale regional war, and the realisation that defensive operations are necessarily inferior in balance to asymmetrical counterattack has been slow in coming.
The industrial powers of VA have also failed to meet the challenge of the invasion appropriately, and too often we have seen new battleships languishing without captains and experienced commanders languishing in useless frustration for the lack of appropriate vessels.
In the past few days the first signs of an extra-regional VA counterattack have emerged; though few in number and power as yet, raiding assets from VA have entered FA space and are beginning combat operations against Fountain ships and industry. The significance of these actions are yet be seen, and formal FA response strategy yet to be proven.
This then is my assessment of the war to date; FA has the initiative and is winning on losses inflicted and territory disrupted. VA has paid a heavy price in fleet losses to simply stay in the game, though fighting spirit yet remains, and the very press of imminent conquest has served to cement alliances between corporations and individuals once estranged and now bound by war and conflict as fraternal allies to the bitter end.
(I would appreciate responses to this statement as factual analysis and discussion of the strategic situation)
Love and peace (for the VA-Council of Owner Captains)
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.30 18:16:00 -
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An accurate and honest portrayal of what is turning out to be a very interesting (and costly) war.
I'll be interested to see when TTI's economic strength starts to play a major part in the battle.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
frstkor13
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Posted - 2003.08.30 18:25:00 -
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Who is to say that TTI's supposed economic strength hasn't already laid it's pair of 3's on the table?
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Dosh
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Posted - 2003.08.30 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Dosh on 30/08/2003 18:44:54
Jade,
You manage to surprise me. A balance, and honest post, with no tiresome flowery bull**** and misdirection like many of your posts at the Summit.
You did get one key fact wrong, however:
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The recent flashpoint was the accusation of cooperation between TTI naval assets and Space Invaders privateers in the Pure Blind region
This is not the flashpoint.
The flashpoint is the discovery of inrrefutable evidence of TTI's secret criminal contract for terrorist hits on Evol/Xan.
I only offer this as an explanation, and am not trying to convince any 3rd parties. There is no need because the verdict has fallen.
I have seen the evidence 1st hand. And it is conclusively damning. It is my hope that in due time, this evidence will be released to the public for the record.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2003.08.30 18:48:00 -
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Having been not in Fountain for the last weeks (after months of continual residence there) I honestly am not in the loop as to what is happening.
However I do know that for the future when player stations come into play Venal has an edge. It is 3 regions where as Fountain is just a single one. Thus more rare ore to mine in Venal.
This is a factor that can not be overlooked, these battles can be in large part about the future.
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Dosh
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Posted - 2003.08.30 18:54:00 -
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I also noticed that the combine Moo/Sinister/Orion Syndicate terrorists have ventured into Fountain in the wee hours and managed to destroy some FA ships.
Congrate for a well executed hit. You guys actually mean business and caused some damages, unlike the pathetic previous attemps by SI/TTI "ninja" pilots.
I hope the payment from TTI are prompt. By my count you made at least 75M ISK. Not bad for a few hours works.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.30 19:16:00 -
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Dosh,
VA aren't doing their own fighting? 
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Riddari
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Posted - 2003.08.30 19:22:00 -
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Quote:
Dosh,
VA aren't doing their own fighting?
TTI let their money do the talking... again
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.30 19:26:00 -
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Orion syndicate can kill?
lol they normally just run... or beg our CEO to end the war with them. Utlar is a master of warping to a gate and insta warping off while he's still invulnerable.
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teh pR3acH3r
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Posted - 2003.08.30 19:26:00 -
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Edited by: teh pR3acH3r on 30/08/2003 19:27:05
Quote:
VA aren't doing their own fighting?
moo/sin/and co. are simply taking advantage of the fact that the majority of the FA fighters are in Venal and not Fountain. VA has no influence over 3rd parties in this instance.
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Indefinately MIA
Former CEO Occassus Republica - Military Division Leader
Founding members of the Venal Alliance
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Riddari
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Posted - 2003.08.30 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Riddari on 30/08/2003 19:28:22
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moo/sin/and co. are simply taking advantage of the fact that the majority of the FA fighters are in Venal and not Fountain. VA has no influence over 3rd parties.
m0o have stated that their previous incursions into Fountain have been paid for. These are mercenary operations they run for ISK. I imagine it would have to be a bit more than the 75m I heard about.. Stavros probably makes that in a day.
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teh pR3acH3r
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Posted - 2003.08.30 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: teh pR3acH3r on 30/08/2003 19:35:09
Edited by: teh pR3acH3r on 30/08/2003 19:33:58
m0o have stated that their previous incursions into Fountain have been paid for
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I can not speak to your "previous incursions."
my reply was directed towards recent incidents as i so stated.
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Indefinately MIA
Former CEO Occassus Republica - Military Division Leader
Founding members of the Venal Alliance
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.30 19:38:00 -
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whatever, im going to be using occassus corpses to decorate my hull plating.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.30 19:42:00 -
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Monsieur Dosh, my thanks for your clarification on the matter from your perspective. YouÆll appreciate of course that much of the business of warfare is misdirection and by consequence it is very difficult to sort the reality from the image. I take your interjection at face value however, and would recommend commentators on the broad issue of FA/VA hostilities consider both sides of the ôflashpointö when assessing the implications for future history.
Please understand I do not contend nor seek to cast doubt on your evidence; I speak merely from my own perspective of events and the politics surrounding the onset of hostilities.
Re the journalistic merits of other posts I have made, monsieur, I am sure you will appreciate besides the need for poetry to sweeten bitter pills; I am sir, a publicist and guerrilla marketing professional, and oftimes unpleasant truths need dressing in gaudy colours to disguise the broad malaise. But I make a point of telling no lies. The truth desires only to be free my friend, and ætis tyranny most foul to chain it overlong.
Be assured that in the posts I make to this thread I will strive to present a fair and balanced account of the direction of hostilities. While I will do nothing to endanger VA lives and property by premature revelation of strategy and intentions, I shall do all within my power to present a truthful analysis of matters standing broader comment.
Always in the service of beauty
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.30 19:48:00 -
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Please note gentlemen and ladies, I asked politely that this thread be preserved for factual analysis and discussion of the strategic situation. I'd ask additionally that we avoid undo ranting and spear-waving. Also, virtual ****-measuring contests should probably go in the huge FA/VA thread where they will be at home.
Thanks in advance chaps.
PS Can we limit the use of quoted text ? It makes the thread confusing to read and is usually only there for the purposes of linguistic one-upmanship or destructive deconstruction of stated accounts.
Thanks again
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.08.30 20:08:00 -
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i think one of the reason fountain is winning is that in our region all of the stations are all within a few jumps of each other unlike in venal where they are spread out more which means any attacking forces in fountain will likely get outnumbred very quickly.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2003.08.30 20:11:00 -
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Facts:
-Fountain is single region providing rare minerals for a number of alliances
-Venal has access to 2 other regions providing rare minerals (and easy to defend by defending Venal)
-Venal thus is richer in raw material than Fountain (while Stain has the best situation of these alliances)
-EVOL and TTI have been sparring for quite some time
-m0oSin (abbreviate as mouse?) have been sent into Fountain several times with the mission of going on a rampage there, their reward is ISK and lots of it
Factual analysis is based on facts. Putting up facts is the basis of analysing.
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Mordessa
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Posted - 2003.08.30 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: Mordessa on 30/08/2003 21:48:29
Jade,
Wow I never though the day you would actually write a balanced report. Kudos to you for this.
However we of Evolution, do question your numbers, particularly the 3 to 1 ratio, however since you kept it civil, so shall we.
Now, on to other items we would like to bring up.
We again ask the members of Venal alliance to expel the members of the corporation known as Taggert Transdimensional Inc from the Venal Alliance, and the Venal region.
To all the corporations that have fought us so valiantly in these operations, we do sympathize with you, however we have asked time and time again to hand TTI over to us and yet you all continue to fight. You have all fought beyond the moral call of duty, and yet TTI still stands back and allows you to continually be destroyed while only sending token forces to reinforce your fights.
Venal, stop now. Stop before they use your corporations full assests and then leave you all with nothing, do you all really expect to have TTI coming up to Venal to save you all? I think not, from all intell we have been able to gather, TTI is in full retreat from Venal, and preparing to move to another area, however we cannot confirm any of this, hence the reason we continue with our campaign in Venal.
The choice is up to you all in Venal, but we do hope you will listen to reason, and do as we simply ask.
Let us stop this madness with each other, and allow us to do what must be done.
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Tholian
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Posted - 2003.08.30 22:04:00 -
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Gafton
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Posted - 2003.08.31 00:16:00 -
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The accusation that TTI paid pirate a corp(s) to attack evo has been stated before. If I were to make a decision, I would need to see proof of the accusation. If it's been posted before pls provide a link because I have not been able to find it. TY
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.08.31 00:56:00 -
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Gafton is correct. I for one will not condemn anyone without evidence and there hasn't been any presented yet. I'm still disturbed by the seemingly callous Evolution attitude toward podded newbies early in this conflict in Lonetrek. I'd like to see them reimburse these victims as a good faith gesture. As for TTI I'm sure they have alot of money and I'm wondering why you aren't replying here and defending yourselfs? How many ships has TTI lost?
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.08.31 00:58:00 -
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"Thus more rare ore to mine in Venal."
You would be very upset if you knew how little rare ore is in those two other regions at this time  .
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.31 01:27:00 -
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Gafton, M0o, RUS, sinister PLUS
space invaders and other venal forcers are currently encroaching on fountain space, they flew up here together, bit of a coincidence no?
Dont try tell me that RUS, m0o and sinister arent paid to come here, you are just lying to yourselves. TTI's esionage and war by proxy tactics are what have dragged all of the corps in venal into this. You want someone to blame for your ship losses? have a chat with ragnar.
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.08.31 02:56:00 -
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Heh, we are certainly not cooperating with m0onister or RUS in fountain. I know it's easy to believe from your point of view, but you won't catch any of SI affiliating with those people.
The only reason *some* of SI are in fountain harassing you a bit is because we were bored of the endless repeating cycle going on in Venal and thought it would be fun to relay our usual pirating practices to Fountain.
Is it so hard to believe m0onister and RUS are just vultures taking advantage of the VA/FA war?
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.08.31 02:59:00 -
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And on a diffirent topic, Venal is NOTHING like Fountain or Stain in terms of resources or NPC's at all. Resources are about as crap as you can get or you'll have to want to travel about 20 jumps up into nowhere. The NPC's don't drop a **** (guristas).
The only reason we are in Venal is that it was pretty much the only decently claimable region left at the time the alliance was created.
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.08.31 03:08:00 -
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gurristas drop decent loot theres some up here in fountain.
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.08.31 04:08:00 -
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"gurristas drop decent loot theres some up here in fountain."
99.99999% of what gurista pirates drop is put into the big recycler.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Tholian
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Posted - 2003.08.31 04:38:00 -
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Hey, look on the bright side. At least ppl from the VA will the first ones to explore Jovian Space when Jump Drives become availible.  |
Karash Amerius
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Posted - 2003.08.31 05:05:00 -
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Edited by: Karash Amerius on 31/08/2003 05:05:35
"And so the phoenix would rise in the west, take form and behold the world that was given upon him. For his fire licked the wicked and often the innocent...it strove to reach out towards the stars before its own prophetic ending. Glory would not be denied." - Prophet Taeg Huren, 415th Circuit Book of Flame
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.31 05:47:00 -
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99.99999% of what Venal Alliance pirates drop is put into the big recycler.  
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.08.31 06:59:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 31/08/2003 07:08:18
@Jade Constantine
You have my respect for this post.
Keep making posts like that, and you'll keep it (whether it matters to you or not )
A very 'fresh' read, amongst all the propaganda (which all wars inevitable(sp) will have)
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Let me add some facts which could be a contributing factor to the (current) FA 'upperhand' in this conflict:
I've somewhere seen stated (by a VA member) that VA has only 200 pilots (which I for the record belive is vastly underestimated!) - compare this to the 1000+ pilots of FA* (this is a *very* rough estimate!!!).
Basicallty VA is outnumbered (even with the added help of moo/sin/RUS).
This means that a prolonged war (which this already is) will be to the benefit of FA.
*The number is based on the number of votes cast at our council meetings.
I took a random vote and counted the votes cast - the total was 783. With ~half the corps present at that particular voting. So it seems reasonable to put our numbers at 1000+ (and not simply 2*783=1566, as these numbers include alts)
BIG Lottery
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Ayn Rand
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Posted - 2003.08.31 08:27:00 -
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Since the incursion began 9 days ago into Venal, TTI has lost 4 battleships (Miri, Roark, GunnyP, and Rokisha). TTI has been involved in the destruction of 5 Evolution ships (3 losses in battles outside the station in Y-4 and 2 more straggler EVOL caught by chasing fleets inside other systems in Venal. This is detailed in a post in the private section of the TTI website. If our numbers were inaccurate, other members of TTI would come out and say it.
TTI does not lie on these numbers. Anyone from TTI will agree that the 15-post long internal thread has no one that lost a battleship in addition to the 4 lost to Evolution + Xanadu + CoC + whoever else is bored with the game and coming to fight the "weak" TTI.
No doubt VA has lost many ships as well, but TTI can only account for its own assets lost. TTI is keeping score with battleships kills (cruiser kills are annoying but not financially significant), and the score thus far is 5 Evo BShips dead and 4 TTI BShips dead. At TTI, we do not claim to be winning the war, just breaking even. Meanwhile the rest of our people are in practically every region of space performing business while the military guys have fun in Venal.
To be sure, our enemies will call us "liars", but any attempts to cause strife within TTI with such posts will fall on deaf ears, as we all know we are telling the truth.
As for who TTI has business deals with, all that shall remain private and anything that may or may not be "exposed" is only the tip of the iceberg. Our relationships run deep and trusted in areas of space one does not normally expect. People have been fabricating stuff against TTI for the last 9 months and we grow stronger with each foray into the news. TTI's strength is in its integrity and honest members who can use the gears of capitalism to make their lives and loves come easier than most. The Venal region is indeed a nice area, but it is only one of Taggart's spheres of concentration. Anyone that thinks TTI's economic prowess comes from a their few operations in Venal is quite confused.
Ayn Rand - Taggart |
Revolution
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Posted - 2003.08.31 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Revolution on 31/08/2003 08:49:55
bleh
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.08.31 08:57:00 -
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You can say all that without that kind of language - PrimerX |
Revolution
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Posted - 2003.08.31 08:59:00 -
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Yes, but we have killed 15 of your allies battleships as well as yours. Also a large number of cruisers and various other ships, not including the bships you lost the week prior to our little operation :)
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Lex Luger
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Posted - 2003.08.31 09:01:00 -
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Homo , you are a sad little loser.
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.08.31 09:04:00 -
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And I'm sorry I f'd up your post by yelling at the idiot in the suit, Jade.
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.08.31 10:49:00 -
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Homo Erectus,
I find your language to be inexcusable. If you want people to believe what you say please present it in a polite manner. Foul mouth posts such as you do nothing to add to your credibility. You will probably call me names as well but you look like a little kid (seriously) with a post like that. If you disagree with TTI perhaps try something like this:
"I disagree with Ayn Rands numbers. While TTI admits to losing four battleships I in fact count six among their losses as BeenThere and DeadPilot also lost battleships. The claims of these pilots losing cruisers only are inaccurate and more evidence of TTI propoganda. It is also true the allies of TTI have lost numerous battleships and cruisers."
Something like this looks alot better and doesnt look like it came out of the gutter. It is certainly your right to talk like this but from a maturity standpoint it looks completely immature. Whether you flame me now or not is irrelevant. Whats important is whether you will come around and act like an adult or continue this foul mouthed garbage. I for one would appreciate not seeing that type of language again. Thank you.
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.08.31 10:53:00 -
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Homo Erectus,
I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm jumping on you. I just find "F this - F that" very offensive. You dont have to talk like that to get your point across. Ive seen you make other well written posts and really know you can do it when you set your mind to it. Thank you.
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.08.31 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Homo Erectus on 31/08/2003 11:04:22
That's me.
The 2 things that I hate most in the world are liars, and hypocrits. TTI has displayed itself as both.
I do not agree with what you say of presenting my say in a polite manner to gain belief. I am not a con. Ragnar and Ayn are cons/liars, and they both post politely and with good grammar.
Grammar and etiquette mean nothing to the truth.
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.31 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: SkyLeach on 31/08/2003 11:09:24
Also, part of the reason TTI's losses will be below the losses of their allies is.. TTI hide in stations and high sec space and leave the fighting to the smaller corps in venal.
How brave and honorable you are Ragnar.
Q: If TTI's forces are so adept, why dont you send your fleet to Fountain and cause us some hurt? This is a question your allies should be asking. you are the large corp with the wealth and fleets that outnumber theirs many times -- so why are they the ones fighting for you and not the other way around?
A: Because your fleet is a bunch of miners in battleships who would get utterly wasted if they even thought about coming to fountain to fight, fighting is a concept that is alien to you, hell you wouldnt mine a rock if it fought back with a Civ gattling.
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.08.31 11:17:00 -
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SkyLeach,
You may be correct in stating TTI is a corp of miners. I would like to ask any TTI person what the makeup of the fleets in Venal we've seen screenshots are? How many (percentage) of those ships in the pictures are TTI ships and how many are the other corps?
There is another possibility. That being TTI is so busy making money (and supplying those other corps) in which case they may indeed be smart in this strategy. If in fact they are also paying these other corps like RUS and m0o to attack fountain they may consider that a better use of their isk then trying to fight themselves and losing ships.
Either way it's clear from a standpoint of neutrality that TTI is getting the better of Evolution corp vs. corp and loss vs. loss. It seems they are failing in their quest to drive TTI from Venal. If anything as Ayn Rand has stated they are making more money then ever in other regions, behind a shellgame of shell corporations, while supplying their military and the other corps with weapons and ships.
Ive always had my doubts TTI is even a real company. They seem more like a loose group of different companies ingame. If this is true it may be completely impossible to "destroy" them as such. From the sounds of it the attacks on Venal are producing mixed results as are the attacks in Fountain. What are the losses in Fountain anyway I've not seen any Venal Alliance post about it?
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frstkor13
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Posted - 2003.08.31 11:43:00 -
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TTI has been fleeing Venal hardcore in the past 24 hours. One of their ships that was downed as it was trying to escape the area, had 8 250mm prototype guassian's.
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Femme Fatal
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Posted - 2003.08.31 11:48:00 -
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Hehehe, this is making my day
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Revolution
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Posted - 2003.08.31 11:50:00 -
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Yep, tti have left venal and seem to be in hiding atm ;(
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.31 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: SkyLeach on 31/08/2003 13:32:53
High priestess, ill present this without any propaganda or gloss:
check the map and see how many active pilots are in space in Venal. check the screenshots section of the player website out too, i posted one during peak time when there was just 5 ships in venal, and they where EVO ships as i talked to the fleet captains in chat.
Now, check Jade constantines post out, a venal alliance member her self. An honest news report, im sure her alliance members thought too honest.
If TTI are making more money out in high sec space.. why the hell did they ever leave it?
Why join an alliance if you do not help and defend your allies, our corp does it for fountain. Last night several RUS ships and other pirates came into the system (news report in the new SCOPE forum on this board)
Every single CME ship online was involved in the defence of the system. scouting or guarding. Not hiding in stations "im only a miner!" bull. We even had a guy in a vigil out there waiting to fight battleships!
Why in a vigil? -- cos hes a nutter who likes frigates :/
(yes frigate pilots DO exist! heh)
Now amount of glaze or polishing will cover up the fact that TTI = Cowards with money.
And before Calladen posts here telling us how he didnt join the game for all this PVP crap and how unfair the world is.. why the hell is he their "military" commander? (or boy scouts whatever) dammit did he read the box (or all 5 boxes in his case) before buying the game?
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.31 13:51:00 -
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Left Venal? News to me :(
-Necro
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.31 14:04:00 -
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Tehel, go read he SCOPE forum, even your own members and allies are telling the press and others the same thing. so are our scouts and FA forces in Venal. TTI => GONE.
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Derek
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Posted - 2003.08.31 15:27:00 -
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We are not gone thank you. I'm still here as are many many others.
I think some forget that TTI has always been spread out and when they now see one person leaving they start assuming we are running.
Its obivously stupid to stay in Y4 to mine as its pretty much a battleground now. So the miners are going somewhere else to mine. Pretty common sense if you ask me.
Did anyone ask Gunny where he was going with those guns? Did you just assume he was moving them to LT to store? hmmmm . Maybe you guys jump the gun a bit to quick when you are in a rush to brag on the boards.
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Tholian
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Posted - 2003.08.31 15:57:00 -
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A lot of ppl know that the in-game map isn't accurate about portraying the number of pilots in space SkyLeach. You as the CEO of a corporation should know this.... |
Flatliner
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Posted - 2003.08.31 16:36:00 -
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TTI I hold you guilty of usery.
Most of the smaller Venal corporations have been destroyed in this war, the medium & larger ones bore the brunt of attacks by Evol, CoC, Xan. Most of these corps now have nothing or very little, and have left Venal region.
Everytime in engagements TTI only showed partial help to there Venal allies.
Sometimes they even docked or warped out and left there allies to be destroyed.
It really saddens me to see so many brave pilots wasted so badly for an ally such as TTI.
I hope for the sake of those that fought us, and now stand with nothing left but a dream that once was, you TTI recompensate them with what they lost. These people fought and died for you, and now your pulling out of the region now that most of the alliance is shattered.
I hope those on the inside and the outside now see you for what you are.
This is my own recollection on events I have seen my self, others may see it differently.
But I was there in Venal for over 10 days, sometimes over 12hrs a day online there.
Each day brought more hatred towards TTI as I saw there allies used over and over again to fight for TTI. Some pilots have been killed repeatedly, docked, got in a new ship and came straight back out to fight us, only to be killed again.
This is my personal view on events there and in no way that of Evolution.
No lies in this post.
For those who fought and lost, I salute you.
Flatliner.
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Tholian
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Posted - 2003.08.31 17:18:00 -
[52]
Guys, don't listen to this propaganda BS from Evolution. They are trying to drive a wedge b/w TTI and VA. Divide and Conquer...... |
SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.31 17:22:00 -
[53]
Edited by: SkyLeach on 31/08/2003 17:22:25
So you wont mind if we come up to check your gone then will you derek?
And im not the CEO, im a director.
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Tholian
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Posted - 2003.08.31 17:31:00 -
[54]
My mistake then. I apologize. |
Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.31 18:13:00 -
[55]
Well I won't lie about my losses - I lost a blackbird.
I took off my rare guns though :)
The only thing that bites is I had some cruise missiles on board that I lost :(
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.31 18:17:00 -
[56]
[ooc]
I have some you can have Ulstan... where do you want them? port or starboard?
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Gafton
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Posted - 2003.08.31 18:50:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Gafton on 31/08/2003 18:52:17
Quote:
[ooc]
I have some you can have Ulstan... where do you want them? port or starboard?
ROFL!!!!!!
Edit: Should add I still havnt seen any solid proof beyond speculation that TTI paid another corp to hunt evo. If evo keeps plugging this as fact they need to provide proof of the matter. Until proof is displayed then it's just rumor and heresay.
Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead. |
Taliranowe Sarum
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Posted - 2003.08.31 19:17:00 -
[58]
why do they have to prove it to you? i mean...they saw the proof accepted it and acted upon it. Now none of us has claimed to want your approval for our actions, we just act.
Read the Rules Of Conduct and Terms Of Usage
"There is TONS of flaming, personal abuse and
other bad behaviour on the In-game board and in In-game world. If everybody would just read the rules and follow them, the EVE world be a much nicer place to be in."
Feel free to copy this Signature. |
Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.31 19:17:00 -
[59]
Quote:
Tehel, go read he SCOPE forum, even your own members and allies are telling the press and others the same thing. so are our scouts and FA forces in Venal. TTI => GONE.
Hmmm let me see... a newspaper + the opposition corporation tell you something about your corporation you take their word for it? Get a clue please.
A few members going to lonetrek for buisness is not us running scared. If you must know GunnyP was on route to pickup a battleship to erm... to fight, w00t.
Assumption, the cause of all mistakes.
-Necro
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.31 19:18:00 -
[60]
Quote:
Edited by: SkyLeach on 31/08/2003 17:22:25
So you wont mind if we come up to check your gone then will you derek?
And im not the CEO, im a director.
Just remember to take off your Mining lasers. *ouch*
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sutty
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Posted - 2003.08.31 19:23:00 -
[61]
mmmm a mining laser joke comming from a tti.
one word
LOL
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Taliranowe Sarum
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Posted - 2003.08.31 19:24:00 -
[62]
Actually Necro been in Fountain attacking lone FA members all week Sutty, so hes one of the TTIs actually trying to fight :)
Read the Rules Of Conduct and Terms Of Usage
"There is TONS of flaming, personal abuse and
other bad behaviour on the In-game board and in In-game world. If everybody would just read the rules and follow them, the EVE world be a much nicer place to be in."
Feel free to copy this Signature. |
Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.31 19:24:00 -
[63]
Quote:
why do they have to prove it to you? i mean...they saw the proof accepted it and acted upon it. Now none of us has claimed to want your approval for our actions, we just act.
We ask for proof because the severity of the accusations. Unfortunatley accusing someone of paying pirates to attack allies is not a trivial act, indeed you declared war over it. Now i would recommend you supply proof, otherwise the intergrity of any accusations you or evolution chuck out will be severly lacking.
-Necro
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.31 19:24:00 -
[64]
Quote:
mmmm a mining laser joke comming from a tti.
one word
LOL
its not a word, abrivation of 3.
kthxbye :/
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Taliranowe Sarum
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Posted - 2003.08.31 19:25:00 -
[65]
considering all proof that we can provide can also be butchered and claimed to be fakes etc as we are indeed online.
There is no way to satisfy a proof hungry horde on a forum.
Second any proof would ruin our source wich is more than stupid.
Read the Rules Of Conduct and Terms Of Usage
"There is TONS of flaming, personal abuse and
other bad behaviour on the In-game board and in In-game world. If everybody would just read the rules and follow them, the EVE world be a much nicer place to be in."
Feel free to copy this Signature. |
Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.31 19:29:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Tehel Necrona on 31/08/2003 19:32:41
No because had u shown me fair proof, and there is such a thing as fair proof, then i will indeed accept it and consider my current actions in fountain..
Believe it or not, we at TTI have a concious.
So your source is more valuable than the friends you have, or once held here at TTI? Really shame on you Lench mate and Grim or whoever is running the show there.
-Necro
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Leitari
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Posted - 2003.08.31 19:42:00 -
[67]
Taliranowe Sarum: I would very much like to see these proofs so I can judge for myself. Of course I will also want a reply from TTI. So far I havent seen any shred of evidence and with every passing day my opinion of Evol and their allies is falling rapidly in a downward spiral. |
Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.31 19:44:00 -
[68]
Stavros say TTI kicked from Venal.
Stavros say OMG OMG OMG OMG HAWR HAWR oh yes.
Much funnies..
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"Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You" |
Taliranowe Sarum
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Posted - 2003.08.31 19:47:00 -
[69]
Necro this is a cliche but, nothing personal aight, this is just buisness. For the Record i like TTI for the most part. I've had no problems with you in any way and have several TTI members on my MSN.
But at the moment we're at war. So until that war ends i'll shoot upon you. After the war im sure we'll have a bbq and be happy again.
Read the Rules Of Conduct and Terms Of Usage
"There is TONS of flaming, personal abuse and
other bad behaviour on the In-game board and in In-game world. If everybody would just read the rules and follow them, the EVE world be a much nicer place to be in."
Feel free to copy this Signature. |
High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.08.31 20:40:00 -
[70]
I have to agree with this Necro player. I havent seen any evidence at all and I personally think this is just a bunch of players who got bored because they reached the glass ceiling of Eve (read we need more high level content CCP) and decided to attack someone for fun.
No one from Evolution has answered about podkilling newbies before the war and I still have a problem with that activity. Considering Lonetrek isnt the war zone theyve yet to apologize or reimburse the many players who posted here saying they were attacked.
As for TTI if they flee I hope everyone realizes Evolution will march in and take over Venal and lock everyone else out (Im pretty sure). They seem to be bored and I wonder which target they will attack next and which corporation will be the subject of their baseless accusations.
Come on Evolution show us this evidence. We want to see it and consider people are already accusing you of making stuff up so who cares.
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SirMolle
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Posted - 2003.08.31 20:53:00 -
[71]
http://www.bv.net/~elite/tti-paying-edited.JPG
Thats all we are going to release, as this is all our source has allowed us to release.
Speculate all you want. OUR minds are convinced, and thats all that matters.
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.31 20:54:00 -
[72]
Lench, i'm not having a go because your shooting at me, i like the fact we've finaly got some proper PvP going. However, what i am protesting against is your accusations that have yet to be backed up.
It's like spinner closing you in pa, saying you were farming but that he is not willing to show the evidence. It's just not cricket mate.
-Necro
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.31 20:57:00 -
[73]
Check the date of the message, that was two days ago, when Xanadu declared their intentions to attack us and well after the start of this thread.
Good work Molle, you disgust me.
-Necro
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GunnyP
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Posted - 2003.08.31 21:00:00 -
[74]
I loathe these forums. If they were an open forum for civil debate, I would probably post more. As it is, they are the place for flame wars, self gratifying drivel, and smack talk. Nothing said here can be truly verified anyway, and that lends itself to the flames and smack talk. That being the case, I prefer to do my talking with my guns on the field of battle, as that is where the ultimate decision will be made anyway. Not here, in a public forum.
That being said, I can not sit idly by and let others speak for me when my name and motives may be in question. I lost a Scorpion in battle the other day to an Evo/xan/coc blockade of Y-4 station. I congratulated them on the good kill and left it at that. The next day, I was making the run down to Empire space to get a new Battleship. I had in my hold I had a number of 250 proto rails, some minerals, and other misc. mods for my new BS. Flatliner, Shamrock and some others chased me for 17 systems. In that 17th system, Shamrock was waiting at the jump in point. Due to lag I imagine, when I appeared in space I was already Webbed and scrambled. My warp core stab and two MWDÆs did not help me, and down my Thorax went. I got out with my pod. I said in local ônice kill Shamrockö. Shamrock Eve-mailed me and was asking if I got out in my pod. He also asked, after he retrieved my cargo, if I was fleeing Venal. I replied to him; 1. Nice kill, my hatÆs off to you for chasing me 17 systems and getting the kill, 2. It was cheapened somewhat by me appearing in space webbed/scrambled, but thatÆs how it goes sometimes, 3. I was not leaving Venal, and that those guns and other items were for my new Battleship and 4. That I looked forward to seeing him again soon.
So, how that true story gets turned into I was running for the hills to hide I have no idea. I will be in my new BS today, and IÆll see you out there.
Regards,
GunnyP
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SirMolle
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Posted - 2003.08.31 21:07:00 -
[75]
Yes, 2 days ago.
Since none take chatlogs as evidence, we started screenshotting things.
And really, i dont care, i have enough sources showing us logs and whatnot for the same thing for way back. But hey, you dont believe logs so *shrug*
Our minds are made up. The Verdict has fallen.
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.08.31 21:17:00 -
[76]
While this is proof of TTI hiring mercenaries Im still waiting for evidence to support this war in the first place. Im beginning to think there isnt any. The "verdict has fallen" post by SirMolle indicated many crimes were committed. Where is the evidence of these crimes? I really want to believe it exists and this entire affair is justified but at this time Ill have to assume there isnt any. Screenshots are nice and here good proof but even chatlogs are informative. If TTI was planning to attack Evolution early on then they obviously are getting what they deserve. But I need to see proof before I believe that of anyone.
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.08.31 22:36:00 -
[77]
HP, i think you should go back and read the topics in the forums that have arrisen in the past week.
There have been chat logs posted, by honorable people, and then simply disputed by the TTI puppets.
There is nothing that is good enough for the people who are loyal and reside in the pocket of the suit. |
The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.08.31 22:46:00 -
[78]
[ 2003.08.31 20:21:36 ] QBall > Here is something I believe is relevent
[ 2003.08.31 20:21:40 ] QBall > [ 2003.08.31 19:07:17 ] Ragnar > Howdy
[ 2003.08.31 19:07:23 ] QBall > hello
[ 2003.08.31 19:07:23 ] Ragnar > I am trying to get Roark in here
[ 2003.08.31 19:07:36 ] QBall > i invited him
[ 2003.08.31 19:07:45 ] Roark > Okay hey he is here good
[ 2003.08.31 19:07:53 ] Roark > I will let Ragnar talk
[ 2003.08.31 19:08:22 ] Ragnar > Okay where are you guys coming down on this vote today?
[ 2003.08.31 19:09:00 ] QBall > Cyberdyne?
[ 2003.08.31 19:09:44 ] Ragnar > Right
[ 2003.08.31 19:09:52 ] QBall > wretch is handling the vote
[ 2003.08.31 19:10:10 ] QBall > as he is CEO, and I'm pretty sure he's voting to split
[ 2003.08.31 19:10:26 ] QBall > I went bar hopping last night didnt get to talk to him much
[ 2003.08.31 19:10:30 ] Ragnar > He is voting to kick out TTI and SI right?
[ 2003.08.31 19:10:49 ] QBall > I think so
[ 2003.08.31 19:10:53 ] QBall > have to ask him though
[ 2003.08.31 19:11:03 ] Ragnar > Okay just wanted to be sure. There is a rift coming and there is one side that is safe and one that is not.
[ 2003.08.31 19:11:08 ] Roark > Yes that is right.
[ 2003.08.31 19:11:34 ] QBall > hm...
[ 2003.08.31 19:11:45 ] QBall > TTI gonna go loco on the VA if they get kicked?
[ 2003.08.31 19:12:50 ] Ragnar > I just wanted to see where you stood on the matter... thanks.
[ 2003.08.31 20:21:52 ] The Wretch > TTI care to explain mother *******?
Any corporation that tries to stomp out democracy is no corporation worthy of existing. Heres to their destruction in the coming days.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.31 23:00:00 -
[79]
The cheese stands alone!
(just wtf does that mean anyway?)
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"Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You" |
Femme Fatal
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Posted - 2003.08.31 23:06:00 -
[80]
I hurt myself laughing.. talk about out-of-game assaults by TTI on my persona :/
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.31 23:16:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 31/08/2003 23:18:28
I'd like to Congratulate Evolution on an excellent war plan. They divided and caused dissent in the VA and it worked. TTI ships have been the majority in most major VA encounters yet strangely they aren't targeted as much as the other corps. I think this was intentional as losses to the other corps were more 'costly' in terms of replacement. On a side note I also wanted to apologize to Xanadu. While I did receive an email from GM Zworm stating the first petition # sent to me regarding the Scorpion BP was not filed a second was. I believe most of the Xanadu guys are pretty decent folks. As for Evolution I'm not sure what to think. I know PvP is part of the game but honestly I find the constant attacks on TTI tiresome. Its alot like real life - attack the biggest target - for whatever reason. People say we're "arrogant" but to be honest this is a lame excuse and just fodder to justify hating the biggest corp. I was a bit bewildered by it all so I asked Drakmarr (an alpha-tester) about it and he said its "normal" in MMPORG games that the biggest corp is a constant target (often unjustifiably so). So the VA is apparently breaking up, our CEO has put a bounty on Jade Constantine (who probably was in cahoots with Evolution but I cant prove anything and thus won't portray it as proof). TTI has taken the hardline that anyone who voted against them in the "expulsion vote" is now an enemy. Well at least in this case we're starting a fight instead of being attacked for no reason? Anyway good job Evolution nicely played. As for Calladen don't expect to see much of him. My enjoyment of the game is gone (I'm a carebear after all) so I've made some alts and just play in a new corp and have fun being left alone. It was either that or quit completely. I do hope CCP puts in some higher-level content so people have something to strive for. It's pretty clear this Evolution war deal wasn't based on any fact just a case of some guys getting bored. Same with Xanadu (thats what they told one of our members). To the Foutain Alliance guys your probably going to be surprised to know who my "alt" is but I won't tell you who I "really am". After all I'm a carebear and just like to mine. Calladen Nimitz
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.31 23:39:00 -
[82]
you are truly truly hilarious...
you are not the biggest corp in eve, you are the most annoying. Stain is prolly the biggest entity in eve so if they were after the biggest they would go after them. You'll notice that stain however doesn't make the kind of self righteous arrogant posts you see above.
You portray yourself and your corp as the good guys of the universe who are always getting picked on and this just isn't true. Thats what gets on most peoples nerves nothing else. Most corps are honest about who they are and what they do, whilst TTI seem obsessed with trying to get the best of the dark eve underworld of eve was trying to maintain their squeeky clean image.
I fight with stain, fountain etc for kicks and cos its a game. But I hate TTi and everything that is associated with you in this game :)
CAN YOU FEEL THE LURVE PEOPLE?
Stav
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"Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You" |
SirMolle
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Posted - 2003.08.31 23:51:00 -
[83]
I'm sorry, but i just cant resist.
------ from VA-meeting today.
Ragnar > "Taggart does not recognize the authority of this council, nor the voting power of a corp 1/100th of our size having the same power to limit our sovereignty. It is clear that the anti TTI effort has been led by Jade Constantine, who has been bought off by Evolution.
Tankuk > wtf
Athule Snanm > hmmmm
jimmychopps > . We will start with a 100 million bounty on Jade Constantine with 100 million in bounties, paid for 5 mil ISK each for 20 corpses. TTI and SI and our friends will remain in Venal and we will openly attack all of the pro-Evolution people that have just voted against their one-time friends in TTI. If you wish to open relations, contact Jimmychopps now. Otherwise, you will be targetted.
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Nicely played TTI, first, you win the vote which was threatening to kick you out of VA. Then, you **** all corps off to a degree where they all turn on you.
I sure hope you grow some sense Ragnar.
The Verdict Has Fallen.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.31 23:53:00 -
[84]
must not agree with moll.... must resssissst.... dammmiiit......
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"Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You" |
Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.31 23:56:00 -
[85]
OK Stav just to humor you a little. WHo is the CEO of Stain? WHere is their headquarters base? I'm talking about an individual corp here not an alliance. As for hating TTI and saying we're "shady" the ONLY thing I've seen posted is a 2-day old screenshot showing a payoff. If there is anything else I've not seen it. Yes we're Caldari Capitalists which means we do anything for a buck. Your anti-capitalism attitude no different from the real life anti-microsoft junk we see on the internet (like the virus guy who included "Billy Gates stop making money why do you let this happen" in his LoveSan bug). I know I personally am an honest businessman and have also HELPED many people (including newbies) get started in Eve. Then again I'm a carebear and thats what gives me enjoyment. I've not paid for hits, I've not ripped people off, I've not kept money sent to me wrongly (yes someone sent me $15million isk a few weeks ago - not a TTI person - I did return it), I don't come to the boards and lie because I don't lie for a habit in real life. In other words what you see is what you get so go "flame on" and insult me again. I could really care less what you think of TTI as a whole but personal attacks on ME are out of line. Calladen 
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.08.31 23:56:00 -
[86]
Edited by: Homo Erectus on 01/09/2003 00:01:22
You are good at spin doctoring facts Nimitz. propz to you for your skills at bull****ting.
Let me just put a disclaimer on your crap so that innocent people aren't convinced of your lies.
Quote:
TTI ships have been the majority in most major VA encounters yet strangely they aren't targeted as much as the other corps.
Lie. There are more frozen corpse in Evolution lockup from TTI origin than any other VA corp. But, when the going gets tough, it is true that TTI becomes the minority, as they log off, hide in stations or in the middle of nowwhere.
Quote:
Its alot like real life - attack the biggest target - for whatever reason. People say we're "arrogant" but to be honest this is a lame excuse and just fodder to justify hating the biggest corp. I was a bit bewildered by it all so I asked Drakmarr (an alpha-tester) about it and he said its "normal" in MMPORG games that the biggest corp is a constant target (often unjustifiably so)
I have been an alpha tester in this mmog, and a beta tester for a year of JG testing, another mmog. While I can agree that the biggest tree in the woods is often the prize timber to be cut, it is not the case this time. The case this time was retribution. Deny it all you want Taggart, but your chiefs and the people who are justified in killing you know the truth. The truth is that you paid for hits on Xan and Evol pilots.
That's the truth. No matter how much your uninformed drones deny it, it won't change.
Quote:
our CEO has put a bounty on Jade Constantine (who probably was in cahoots with Evolution but I cant prove anything and thus won't portray it as proof)
I wish you would take that stance with some other things.
Quote:
Well at least in this case we're starting a fight instead of being attacked for no reason?
Again, more bs. There was a damn good reason.
Quote:
It's pretty clear this Evolution war deal wasn't based on any fact just a case of some guys getting bored.
And again, the carebear cries falsities.
Nimitz, bye. Please hold true to your word for once, and leave. Take your lies and spin doctoring with you, please. |
Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.31 23:59:00 -
[87]
Homo,
"The truth is that you paid for hits on Xan and Evol pilots."
A two day old screenshot isnt proof and to be honest its a good reaction after being attacked. Wheres your original "evidence" I'm still waiting. I've been pretty good about being honest on the boards and I've been critical of even TTI on occasion. I even apologize for mistakes I make.
So give me a little credit for being objective and honest? Lets see what you've got.
Calladen
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QBall
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Posted - 2003.09.01 00:00:00 -
[88]
Funny thing is vote has just passed to give full support to war effort against fountain. Then good ol' TTI had to go grab a neutron cannon and shoot themselves in the foot.
Approx 80% of current Venal Alliance has broken off, headed up by myself and Jade. Any corporation wanting to help us rid the galaxy of TTI will be given membership based upon their help in this war.
Space Invader's has teamed up with TTI and are considered to be very hostile also. TTI and SI can be expected to be moving large amount's of cargo out of venal now that there protectorite force has fallen.
Help us cleans the Venal region of those evil corporation and rebuild a great Northern Empire.
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"OMG IT'S TRAMMEL 2.0!!!!"
-QBall
And
QQ is QQ |
Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.01 00:03:00 -
[89]
lol calladan, stains headquarters is stain same as yours WAS venal.
your corp is badly run, badly secured and playing WAY out of its league.
reap the whirlwind chum :)
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"Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You" |
Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.09.01 00:05:00 -
[90]
Cearbear Nimitz, we have a log from one of the most trustworthy people in this game that is weeks old.
That's proof. No matter how much you pray to ragnar's belt buckle for it not to be true, it is.
Your deaths have been justified. |
Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.09.01 00:17:00 -
[91]
Homo,
Then email it to me
[email protected]
Lets see it? I think you know (deep down inside of that tough exterior) I'm an ethical person who believes in honesty (all my posts have shown that). If your log is credible I'll state that.
Credibility is EVERYTHING to me and goes far beyond any loyalty I have to anyone else.
Calladen
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.09.01 00:18:00 -
[92]
Stavros, TTI headquarters is in Amsen. Our CEO is Ragnar. So I'll ask again, the corporation you refer to as "Stain". What system are they headquartered in and who is the CEO?
Calladen
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.09.01 00:18:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Indigo Seqi on 01/09/2003 00:18:15
You go get a good drink for few nights and you feel like you just stepped into a parallel universe when you return to eve...
Thank god I'm not based in y4-cfk anymore
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.01 00:20:00 -
[94]
Edited by: j0sephine on 01/09/2003 00:23:34
"So the VA is apparently breaking up, our CEO has put a bounty on Jade Constantine (who probably was in cahoots with Evolution but I cant prove anything and thus won't portray it as proof)."
... omfg 'tis just too funny...
... am sorry, i realize it was supposed to be all serious thread and whatnot, but simply can't. restrain. myself.
... :s
(still laughing)
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.01 00:21:00 -
[95]
ok then for example mass as a corp is bigger than tti.
lets all be pedantic shall we ? oh yes?
Stavros
'They call him mr lover lover'
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"Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You" |
Kuole Zhilarsk
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Posted - 2003.09.01 00:40:00 -
[96]
I am confused as to why TTI has decided to go with a route that loses them the Venal Region. It seems to have only made them more enemies, when they already have quite enough to contend with.
I would like to ask, out of interest, how this fits into TTI's political policy and how it benefits TTI?
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Sedsiss
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Posted - 2003.09.01 01:05:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Sedsiss on 01/09/2003 01:06:18
My god, how did Ragnar ever find out that Jade was my alt?
Sorry Jade, couldn't resist:)
This is...shocking to say the least. Wretch, Cyberdyne and the venal gang that finnaly recognized TTi for the people they are, lubs to you:)
Calladen, Carebears are people too, good luck on what ever your doing:)
Edit: Yey Stavr0s!
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.09.01 01:06:00 -
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I just returned from the game and I can tell you theres a superheated discussion going on now, that clearly shows there are multiple forces inside the ex-venal alliance at work which are all trying to give their own spin to things.
It all boils down to VERY bad intra-alliance communication imo.
I don't think anybody can claim to be the good guys in this conflict.
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QBall
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Posted - 2003.09.01 01:15:00 -
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Actually it all turns down to this:
Threat Number 1...
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Channelname: Ragnar conversation
Listener: QBall
Session started: 2003.08.31 19:06:32
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[ 2003.08.31 19:07:17 ] Ragnar > Howdy
[ 2003.08.31 19:07:23 ] QBall > hello
[ 2003.08.31 19:07:23 ] Ragnar > I am trying to get Roark in here
[ 2003.08.31 19:07:36 ] QBall > i invited him
[ 2003.08.31 19:07:45 ] Roark > Okay hey he is here good
[ 2003.08.31 19:07:53 ] Roark > I will let Ragnar talk
[ 2003.08.31 19:08:22 ] Ragnar > Okay where are you guys coming down on this vote today?
[ 2003.08.31 19:09:00 ] QBall > Cyberdyne?
[ 2003.08.31 19:09:44 ] Ragnar > Right
[ 2003.08.31 19:09:52 ] QBall > wretch is handling the vote
[ 2003.08.31 19:10:10 ] QBall > as he is CEO, and I'm pretty sure he's voting to split
[ 2003.08.31 19:10:26 ] QBall > I went bar hopping last night didnt get to talk to him much
[ 2003.08.31 19:10:30 ] Ragnar > He is voting to kick out TTI and SI right?
[ 2003.08.31 19:10:49 ] QBall > I think so
[ 2003.08.31 19:10:53 ] QBall > have to ask him though
[ 2003.08.31 19:11:03 ] Ragnar > Okay just wanted to be sure. There is a rift coming and there is one side that is safe and one that is not.
[ 2003.08.31 19:11:08 ] Roark > Yes that is right.
[ 2003.08.31 19:11:34 ] QBall > hm...
[ 2003.08.31 19:11:45 ] QBall > TTI gonna go loco on the VA if they get kicked?
[ 2003.08.31 19:12:50 ] Ragnar > I just wanted to see where you stood on the matter... thanks.
And Number 2 ....
[ 2003.08.31 21:55:18 ] jimmychopps > Ragnar > "Taggart does not recognize the authority of this council, nor the voting power of a corp 1/100th of our size having the same power to limit our sovereignty. It is clear that the anti TTI effort has been led by Jade Constantine, who has been bought off by Evolution.
[ 2003.08.31 21:55:36 ] Tankuk > wtf
[ 2003.08.31 21:55:42 ] Athule Snanm > hmmmm
[ 2003.08.31 21:55:44 ] jimmychopps > . We will start with a 100 million bounty on Jade Constantine with 100 million in bounties, paid for 5 mil ISK each for 20 corpses. TTI and SI and our friends will remain in Venal and we will openly attack all of the pro-Evolution people that have just voted against their one-time friends in TTI. If you wish to open relations, contact Jimmychopps now. Otherwise, you will be targetted. This is fair warning. Thank you."
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"OMG IT'S TRAMMEL 2.0!!!!"
-QBall
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.09.01 02:03:00 -
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Quote:
We will start with a 100 million bounty on Jade Constantine with 100 million in bounties, paid for 5 mil ISK each for 20 corpses.
lol your the so called biggest corperation in eve yet you have to place a bounty on someone because you cant do it your self?
the biggest and also the weakest me thinks......
btw do you actually have proof she was paid off or that it was even her who played the bigest role in getting you kicked from venal?
you judge people for attacking and claiming things about you with no proof yet you seem to have done exactly that.
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.09.01 02:08:00 -
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The funny things is that it doesn't matter what kind of things/evidence TTI or the former VA gives, TTI is scapegoat No.1 so anybody on the forums will agree with TTI's "enemies" anyway.
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frstkor13
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Posted - 2003.09.01 02:24:00 -
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But TTI are the bad guys, and for good reason.
As I write this, their only remaining allies are pirates. |
Sally
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Posted - 2003.09.01 02:38:00 -
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"As I write this, their only remaining allies are pirates."
This might be true. Unlike others Space Invaders are keeping their words. We are honourable people and do not bash our alliance partners in shady votes benefiting our common war enemies only.
As for the majority of the VA being FA's new friends and vice versa and SI sticking with TTI, there is an old russian saying: "Better one old friend than two new ones."
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.09.01 02:41:00 -
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Edited by: Snoop on 01/09/2003 02:45:32
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The funny things is that it doesn't matter what kind of things/evidence TTI or the former VA gives, TTI is scapegoat No.1 so anybody on the forums will agree with TTI's "enemies" anyway
if they had actual proof people would belive it
they dont it just sounds like they dont like beeing forced out of a region by smaller corp's who they obviously see as beeing much weaker than they are it just shows exactly how arrogant TTI are.
they dont recognise the authority of anyone smaller than them self's, they see them as lower beeings.
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.01 03:00:00 -
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Thats not entirely fair Snoop. I've been asking for Evolution to show their evidence since the war started and they have failed. Now I will also ask TTI to show us the evidence that Jade has betrayed you or is this just a "suspicion" you have?
If its a suspicion you should not present it as a fact. I will commend Mr. Nimitz on his apology to Xanadu, he kept his word, that I value very much and trust him as an honest man if not a bit misguided by his choice of comrades in arms.
My new corporation Amistad Trading Company will conduct HONEST capitalism with no payoffs or hitman contracts. Honest businessman will win out in the end.
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Gafton
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Posted - 2003.09.01 03:49:00 -
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Jade hasnt been paid off by anyone. The corporations that voted against tti leaving the alliance did so in it's best interest. This wasnt some half assed rush decision. We've been talking about it for the past 2 days. The reason Jade comes off as the focal point in this is because she has the best communication skills. (least I think so, sry qball :( ) She was also the one chosen this afternoon to be the chair of the meeting.
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QBall
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Posted - 2003.09.01 06:52:00 -
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I just lead Jade does the talking, besides I'm usually pretty hungover on weekends. Only 2 days I don't work gotta have some fun eh?
Pretty much the over all breaking point could be put down as TTI didn't give a $hit about alliance, and really only cared about their isk. By TTI I mean there upper managment, it's a damn shame some good people are in TTI though.
And personally I would rather be friends with a Rock than have TTI by my side.
For example here is the combine fleet of the Venal Alliance: we have an attack and good intel where evo is when TTi Under the command of GunnyP pick up their stuff and leave. This was the within the first couple days of the attack.
[ 2003.08.23 03:42:29 ] QBall > WE ARE GOING TO 6NJ8 WHEN i YELL JUMP BE READY
[ 2003.08.23 03:42:30 ] eriq > listen if we were coming to them, we'd equip for travel then dock and get ready for war
[ 2003.08.23 03:42:32 ] Roark > Yes if we stay together and wait for them, our odds skyrocket. They didn't come 40 jumps to turn around and go home
[ 2003.08.23 03:42:32 ] Grankor > 6 jumps, I see nobody.
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:06 ] Violation > where are people warping to
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:07 ] QBall > Why are people leavign stargate
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:08 ] Wolf Leader > wow i got the best screenshot of bs sex ever
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:13 ] Wolf Leader > and apoc and a mega
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:15 ] Jarra > where are u guys off too?
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:15 ] Violation > wtf
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:15 ] Revenant > wtf
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:20 ] Contrail > lol people just warped off
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:26 ] Wolf Leader > um uys
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:26 ] Ziro > HELLO WHAY ARE YOU LEAVING
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:26 ] GunnyP > qball they have to attack us..
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:36 ] Grankor > ambush?
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:43 ] QBall > GunnyP they you have already lost they wont attack these numbers
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:43 ] Wolf Leader > ....
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:43 ] dezmOn > if they come here, this is the only way out, we should just camp the gate
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:47 ] Roark > Victory will be ours.
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:47 ] Kronus Kroegler > listen to qball NOW!!!!!!!
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:49 ] QBall > perio evo arn't f***ing idiots
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:51 ] GunnyP > THEY HAVE TO ATTACK US.. THEY DID NOT COME 40 JUMPS TO JUST LEAVE
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:53 ] Violation > actually yeah
[ 2003.08.23 03:43:59 ] Ctaesis > TTi is heading back to the station to catch them if they jump in.
[ 2003.08.23 03:44:02 ] Violation > we should camp the gate
[ 2003.08.23 03:44:06 ] QBall > You obbviously do not know evo
[ 2003.08.23 03:44:09 ] Violation > only way out if they come into the system
[ 2003.08.23 03:44:13 ] Wolf Leader > gunny they wont attack us like this unless they got stupid
[ 2003.08.23 03:44:20 ] The Wretch > they came before like this - ***** slapped a couple around - left and declaired a victory last time
[ 2003.08.23 03:44:25 ] Kronus Kroegler > LISTEN TO QBAL!!!
[ 2003.08.23 03:44:32 ] Wolf Leader > kronus shh
[ 2003.08.23 03:44:45 ] GunnyP > how can they call this a victory?
[ 2003.08.23 03:44:49 ] Violation > well weither way
[ 2003.08.23 03:44:53 ] Violation > either
[ 2003.08.23 03:44:54 ] QBall > BECAUSE THEY OWN F**KING VENAL RIGHT NOW
Only edited information is I bleeped most of the Curse words, maybe now you will understand exactly why the VA fell apart, TTI wanted everything done thier way, which wasn't any good because TTI doesn't know how to fight.
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-QBall
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.09.01 07:55:00 -
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jesus, from that log, I declare the military ppl @ tti the most pathetic commanders in eve history. |
Karash Amerius
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Posted - 2003.09.01 08:04:00 -
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Quote:
Assumption, the cause of all mistakes.
-Necro
That sir, is so very true.
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Karash Amerius
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Posted - 2003.09.01 08:06:00 -
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And Q, that log is a bad case of "Too many chiefs without enough indians".
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QBall
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Posted - 2003.09.01 16:20:00 -
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Well before that everyone was following just fine, we had around 15-20 ships evolution had around 5 bships in the area.
After that it was a fight to get the TTI fleet anywhere.
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-QBall
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sutty
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Posted - 2003.09.01 16:33:00 -
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LOL OMG, what kinda logic was they using, just because I come 40 jumps does not mean im gonna risk lossing everything for nothing, I would stay there 10hrs to only get the one kill.
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