OP you still have this idea that "risk" means "guaranteed loss".

If we apply this logic to hauling it means there needs to be a chance that your freighter will sometimes crash into the station upon docking, or that one day Caldari command gets a bit drunk and accidentally resets my LP balance to 0.

You are not asking for balance, you are asking for the removal of a playstyle.

Your idea wouldn't even remove it, make ganking impossible to do profitably and people with too much isk will simply start sponsoring ganks.

The haulers does lose everything when he gets Suicide Ganked. So that is his loss. And it is significant.

Caldari command doesn`t need to reset your LP, as once you get Suicide Ganked you lose a lot of isk. Or you do missions slower by only fitting your ship with T2 modules, and even so you can be Suicide Ganked.

For the Suicide Gankers, there is no big loss, ever. No mechanic implemented so he fears losing a lot if he is unlucky/does bad. Suicide Ganking needs to be unprofitable ON OCCASION.

40 out of half a million to a million trips isnot a significant risk.



There are even fewer of these kills out of tens of millions of missions run every month.



We already suffer from unprofitable ganks as well as suffering a whole host of other punishments and risks.

Every time a Freighter/Marauder/Pirate ship undocks they risk billions. Their recovery time is huge. If they survive from the gank(most don`t) they don`t gain anything, they only get to keep what they previously earned.

Every time a Suicide Ganker undocks, he risks 10-15mil. His recovery time is very short. If he is successful he gains a lot more than he risks.

This imbalance needs to be looked at. It would only be fair that every time a Suicide Gankers undocks planning to gank a target worth bilions, he has to risk at least a few hundred millions himself.

Just would like to point out that the freighters ganked can sometimes be up to 20 bill (give or take) in value, so...

These ganks won't stop just because each member of the gank team pays a little extra for the awesome Killmail?

The haulers does lose everything when he gets Suicide Ganked. So that is his loss. And it is significant.

Caldari command doesn`t need to reset your LP, as once you get Suicide Ganked you lose a lot of isk.

The goal is not to stop them or make them more rare.

The goal is to simply add risk to them. Real ISK loss.

One the Suicide Gankers stand to lose billions of ISK on occasion, they can keep at it, ganking whatever they want. A freighter that has 20bil would still make them rich, no mechanic should be introduced to prevent that.

Tell me, what do we use to scoop the loot from the dead freighter?

I like this idea a lot (because I have a miner and I have to watch for gankers). But still, applying it, would make exhumers almost ungankable since they cost 100mil+ and the cargo is almost never worth the trouble. Also would make tanking your mining ship with T2 fits laughable since this would add to the cost of the ship but not to the one the ganker is fined for and belt rats would never break your usual shield on a barge or an exhumer.

Your idea is only thought from the perspective of a hauler and that needs work. As I said, I like it but in this form, I can't support it. I also like the idea of new ISK sinks.

I agree and i have removed the original idea from the OP as there are better ones inside the thread. I have added guidelines for anyone willing to help up get the Suicide Gankers to risk more than they currently do.

Having a freighter that is freely killable by anyone in the victim's corp isn't enough?

Why are you so adamant about having game mechanics play the game for you?

I agree and i have removed the original idea from the OP as there are better ones inside the thread. I have added guidelines for anyone willing to help up get the Suicide Gankers to risk more than they currently do.

What if the victim is in a hauler corp? Are they not allowed to play EVE? Or is having combat characters the mandatory way to go for a High Sec hauler corporation?

We used to use battleships, but we had to abandon using them due to it being near impossible to use battleships and break even after one of the many nerfs to us.

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The haulers does lose everything when he gets Suicide Ganked. So that is his loss. And it is significant.

What if the victim is in a hauler corp? Are they not allowed to play EVE? Or is having combat characters the mandatory way to go for a High Sec hauler corporation?

Besides, the problem is that you only need 10-15mil per person to take the freighter out. And even your total loss is a lot lower compared to the victim. So low that half of his cargo is enough for you to make a lot of ISK.

Not to mention haulers in High Sec are forced to go from gate to gate, even the Jump Freighters. So Suicide Gankers get all the tactical advantages possible.

Making Suicide Gankers risk as much ISK as their victims would still leave them with all the tactical advantages and ability to pick their targets at will from a steady stream of slow vulnerable ships. Only the monetary risk would be equal. But from what we can see you just want to be able to earn big and risk 10mil. I say try the lottery.

If you insist on putting yourself in a position where it is profitable to kill you then yes you are expected to have someone who can deal with combat situations.

EVE is a game about conflict, if you can't deal with it then stop playing.

Also your 15 mill per person argument is stupid, because you are dividing the cost between the people but apparently never thought to divide the reward by the number of people as well.

But ganking is not profitable no matter what. We already pointed this out to you. Repeating the same bolded phrase throughout the thread does not make it true.

And don't use freighters with 20+bill in the cargo hold as an example, those people are objectively ******** and deserve to lose their stuff.

You aren't looking for balance, you are trying to remove one of (if not THE most) rarest professions from the game because it hurts your feelings.

Notice how he is avoiding the question I asked him on the last page.

I will ask again Freedom Equality, What ship are we using to scoop the dead freighters loot?