How can you say there is more risk for the Suicide Ganker? Most ganks are a success.

You don`t know how this works... it doesn`t matter how often or rare it is, it exists and it should be corrected.

*Snip* Please refrain from real life analogies on murder and suicide. EvE is a game, not real life. ISD Ezwal

How can you say there is more risk for the Suicide Ganker? Most ganks are a success.

A suicide ganker can pick its target. It stands to lose 15mil if the gank fails. A freighter loses at least 1 bil for the hull + the cargo.

How can you say there is more risk for the Suicide Ganker? Most ganks are a success.

The Suicide Ganker can decide when and who to attack, has time to figure out if it is worth attacking and can calculate the damage needed. And, in the unlikely event a gank fails, the Suicide Gankers pays 15mil.

The other professions always risk to lose a lot more, not matter how carefully they plan.

A mechanic needs to be introduced so on occasion, no matter how well a Suicide Gank team is, over a one month period they end up losing ISK. Then we can say they take as much ISK as any other profession.

A random mechanic would be preferred. I am sure CCP can think of something.

A suicide ganker can pick its target. It stands to lose 15mil if the gank fails.

A freighter loses at least 1 bil for the hull + the cargo.

How can you say there is more risk for the Suicide Ganker? Most ganks are a success.

The Suicide Ganker can decide when and who to attack, has time to figure out if it is worth attacking and can calculate the damage needed. And, in the unlikely event a gank fails, the Suicide Gankers pays 15mil.

This didn't answer my question: Why should people who choose to use more expensive stuff be given preferential treatment?

NOTE: Nothing in the game is balanced according to value. It's the exact opposite (see: value is derived by "balance" (see: "supply and demand")).

[quote=Freedom Equality]The other professions always risk to lose a lot more, not matter how carefully they plan.

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That would remove suicide ganking as a profession from Eve. Why is this needed?

Does this mean that if people run missions all the time then eventually it will become unprofitable too? Because if you aren't using a "bling-fit" there is no risk with that (seriously... if you die to level 4 mission NPCs that isn't risk... that's stupidity).

Distribution agents? Will those be nuked as well?

What about high-sec PI? Characters sit in NPC corps and just farm planets... pulling in what is essentially a passive income stream that cannot be bombed or otherwise interrupted.

If we want to be fair here... might as well be fair across the board!

If a bling ship is ganked - as a lot of them are - the person running mission will lose a lot of ISK.

Everything that needs to be moved can also be Suicide Ganked.

The only ones not getting ganked are the Suicide Gankers. A mechanic needs to be in place for them too!

If a bling ship is ganked - as a lot of them are - the person running mission will lose a lot of ISK.

The only ones not getting ganked are the Suicide Gankers. A mechanic needs to be in place for them too!

Fun fact: The 15M gank catalyst is profitable to gank.

It is, but for a much lower return. Who wants to Suicide Ganks will gank a more profitable target... like a bling mission ship or a freighter....

Its around the same as a barge and people still gank those.

Ganking a Suicide Gank fit destroyer.... that is in the middle of a Suicide Gank squad... vs. ganking a lone mining barge alone in a belt.

Ganking the destroyer would actually be risky. Why risk when you can pick a no-risk target?

And whos fault is it that the "no-risk " targets have zero defences?

The destroyers has his Suicide Gank buddies with him... as it is normal for a Suicide Gank destroyer.

The mining barge has no army of destroyers guarding it... as it is normal for a mining barge in High Sec.

It has a dronebay, it has mid and low slots. It can have other miners around it with yet more drones.

The thing is, at a 10 mil loss per failed gank(as you get half your fit back) and 50-100 mil for a successful one, Suicide Ganking is a very lucrative business.

You keep trying to hide that saying you take a lot of risk.... however you never mention that you are always profitable.

I will be here reminding everyone that you need to only succeed ONCE and fail 5-10 times to break ever.

It is not even close to the monetary risk other professions have. When they lose their ship it is a bad thing. You throw it away to get 5 times its ISK value.

No my dear Suicide Gankers, you are not risking anything. There is a small fail rate, but it is well covered by the successful ganks.

Something needs to be done specifically for Suicide Ganking but not affect the other professions... this is why wrecks leaving no loot is bad... but the idea that on occasion CONCORD would respond very fast is growing on me.

On ocasion = 40% of the time - that would be fair and you would still make money.

Because let`s say you are now making 8 successful ganks out of 10. You only need to make 2 out of 10 to break even assuming you get 50mil per gank, but sometimes you get more.(as you admitted)

Concord would change the number and make it only so that 4-6 ganks succeed. You would still earn ISK, just not as much as you make now.


Might not be the best idea, but by talking about it and providing information we will help CCP or anyone else for that matter come up with a better idea.

The same reason people don't advise jumping a battleship around nullsec without a scout.

Or why many capital pilots don't jump into a system with neutrals in it.

So doing a mission in High Sec with a deadspace module equipped is as risky as jumping a lone capital in a hostile system?

I'll throw in a curve ball suggestion here which in theory could add some additional risk for the gankers.