Yea, with a mining ship and no combat skills, or in a hauler.... good advice. Practical.

This is another problem, Suicide Gankers think their way(combat) is the only way to play EVE. That is wrong. And the other professions need more help to survive the combat toon, yes survive not have a way to get revenge.

Raising the cost of a gank is not a viable counter to ganking. Griefers will just switch to another method. Also, do not forget that there are groups out there that do not care about making profits from the individual miner kills.

Raising the cost of a gank is not a viable counter to ganking. Griefers will just switch to another method. Also, do not forget that there are groups out there that do not care about making profits from the individual miner kills.

In general, "griefing" is a term that means action against another player that makes the target feel like being targeted on purpose or for the sake of harassment only.

Griefing should not be rewarding in any way, otherwise you will always find people hiding under the mighty "Internet Anonymity" willing to harass other players just to do some harm.

I would say that qualifies.

Also, i would argue that raising the cost is a viable counter. Imagine this:

Any victim of a Suicide Gank gets half of what their hull value is worth from the gankers. That would make the victim take less of a loss and it would now be too costly for the gankers to keep killing mining barges for fun. Problem solved.

Now were back to "muh fewlings" again. You aren't looking for balance, you're just upset because someone blew up your ship.

I would say that qualifies.

Also, i would argue that raising the cost is a viable counter. Imagine this:

Any victim of a Suicide Gank gets half of what their hull value is worth from the gankers. That would make the victim take less of a loss and it would now be too costly for the gankers to keep killing mining barges for fun. Problem solved.

The gankers would cry that they can`t grief people like they used to but i say we`ll all be better for it.

Griefing should not be rewarding in any way, otherwise you will always find people hiding under the mighty "Internet Anonymity" willing to harass other players just to do some harm.

I already answered this.

Also, as i said, right now the victim loses too much, in no scenario does the Suicide Ganker - who is doing the illegal action - suffer an equal loss compared to the mining barge/freighter/marauder etc.

Once the Suicide Gankers killing miners/mission ships/haulers are forced to use ships of similar value to the one they plan to gank, all will be fine. Like you had to use Battleships before.

And about your claim that "buhuhu we won`t be able to kill everyone then without losing money" well you are not supposed to.

What a load of nonsense. You deliberately cut out the part that said combat is not a form of griefing. So far about the only noted form of griefing is killing noobs in starter systems. But with the changes to various flags--crimewatch--that has most likely gone the way of the dodo.

To be clear, suicide ganking has never been considered griefing.

So you can stop with that complete nonsense right now.

Also, as i said, right now the victim loses too much

A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.

This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.

That IS the definition of griefing.

Its the victim that is 100% to blame for them losing their stuff. It is so laughably easy to avoid being ganked.

Then please show us how do you escape a gank situation where the gankers have already determined how much DPS it takes to get you down and are bringing it.

Feel free to provide a clear and easy example that can be followed.

Because right now the killboards are showing it is not that easy for the average EVE player to escape a gank once it has started. Not without losing their ship anyway.

Then please show us how do you escape a gank situation where the gankers have already determined how much DPS it takes to get you down and are bringing it.

Because right now the killboards are showing it is not that easy for the average EVE player to escape a gank once it has started. Not without losing their ship anyway.

Now, before I give you the answer ... where do you believe the gank began (simple 1/2/3 answer)?

0?

While having an untanked retreiver is a terribad idea, and arguably the REASON for the gank, it is not actually where the gank started. (SHHH!)

Then please show us how do you escape a gank situation where the gankers have already determined how much DPS it takes to get you down and are bringing it.

Feel free to provide a clear and easy example that can be followed.

Because right now the killboards are showing it is not that easy for the average EVE player to escape a gank once it has started. Not without losing their ship anyway.

They are almost done with it, one or two more passes will finally balance the risk with the reward and the damage to the victim.

The gank began during the design phase of the game,

The gank began during the design phase of the game, when nobody predicted that allowing ships in High Sec to be taken out illegally by ships of a much lesser value before CONCORD arrives would be a problem.

However, they have been correcting the issue since, nerfing the ability to do that/cutting profits for such actions.

They are almost done with it, one or two more passes will finally balance the risk with the reward and the damage to the victim.

The gank began during the design phase of the game, when nobody predicted that allowing ships in High Sec to be taken out illegally by ships of a much lesser value before CONCORD arrives would be a problem.

However, they have been correcting the issue since, nerfing the ability to do that/cutting profits for such actions.

They are almost done with it, one or two more passes will finally balance the risk with the reward and the damage to the victim.

I see you're not addressing the 100-125k EHP mining boat.....funny that....

This whole discussion is pointless, cause the suicide ganking is on a different lvl. Suicide Ganks happens because you are in a ship, you dont need to have shiny officer fit anymore, you dont have to fly a expensive ship, they will gank you because its fun, nothing more....

There is a simple way to get this balanced, all HighSec kills shouldnt be on a Killboard in any way. And the Standing loss should be not only on the SS status, they should get further to fraction standing loss.

Example, a Capsule kill should be worth a Standing loss from the faction in the Region where the kill happend. A real big loss.
Or a Charban for a Week, of you kill a capsule in HighSec. Would be a nice idea to simulate jail.


No one can explain me, why the "pirates" only loose Security Standing. 1 Gank and you only loose 0.35 Standing... Thats riddiculous.....


As it is, it cant go on. New players are the loosers of the EvE Universe atm.


What i can see, CCP teaches ppl to be assholes and get them rewards and no real penaltys for that.