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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.02.09 15:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Somatic Neuron
Ni-Kunni for Corp Management alts
Corp management rerquired Memory as PRimary and Charisma as 2nd making Vherokior the best one for that job.
I too made that mistake though 
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2006.02.09 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: Fi T''Zeh on 09/02/2006 16:04:32
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The way I see this, the only reason to play something other than a Khanid for PvP/PvE, a Vherokior for Industrial/Production alts or Ni-Kunni for Corp Management alts is purely for roleplaying purposes. There needs to be some advantage to playing the other bloodlines, such as restricted access to something ingame (such as special agents that are only accessible by racial types, or mining and/or NPC complexes that only allow certain bloodlines in, or neural devices (i.e. implants) that only work for a specific bloodline.)
That is only the case if you want to look at it from a purely power gaming point of view. There was one reason, and one reason alone that I chose to make a Gall character on release. Despite having participated in the game since pre-beta 3 and knowing all about stats, and what would make me train faster and all this crap. I wanted a character I liked the look of.
I don't think I could ever make a character I didn't like looking at purely on the basis that he/she trained a bit faster.
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Khaotic
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Posted - 2006.02.09 16:15:00 -
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The new Khanid bloodline is almost identical base stats wise to the current Civire one. People have been complaining about how the Civire and Sebeistor lines were the best for the last 2 years.
And it makes no difference in the game at all.
If someone new starts the game with a few points in more used attributes than I did, its no big deal. When I see players who have 25, 30 million or more skill points complaining about this, its quite ridiculous.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2006.02.09 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
When you introduce these fighterpilots could you also see about making charisma somewhat useful? Thank you.
Leadership skills.
(And trade, but that's a fairly small tree)
Wow, lot that will help me being called first in any fleet engagement, how about everyone else not a trader or fleet commander?
The skilltree is still very much lopsided.
Also I was given the impression these bloodlines was getting an asian flavor to them, not being all out klingon, is there any way to make a face that's not Ulan Bator Supreme?
Remind me about The Maze.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.02.09 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Khaotic
The new Khanid bloodline is almost identical base stats wise to the current Civire one. People have been complaining about how the Civire and Sebeistor lines were the best for the last 2 years.
And it makes no difference in the game at all.
If someone new starts the game with a few points in more used attributes than I did, its no big deal. When I see players who have 25, 30 million or more skill points complaining about this, its quite ridiculous.
I complain about this for the last 20mio SP
and all I have done was reading that damm manual, sadly it was for a total different game 
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.02.09 16:42:00 -
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Ladies and gentlemen, i give you:
Ming the Mercyless, his daughter and his nefarious assistant. 
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GreyMana
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Posted - 2006.02.09 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: GreyMana on 09/02/2006 17:15:17
Originally by: Nafri
in my eyes there is absolutly no point in making recons ships will/perc, thy are for EW lovers not gunnery people, but the time I gain when training the EW skills to lvl4 I loose when training the Recon ship skill
It wouldn't be the pain if wouldn't need Cruiser Lv.5.
People with high Int/Mem are getting the shaft for T2 vessels. It's perfectly okay for combat thingies but not for non-damage types like Recon and Logistics. I mean wtf, you don't even need Electronic Warfare as a prerequisite for the rook, and only to lv. 1 to use the modules on it.
edit: Excellent work on the models, they really look great 
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2006.02.09 17:11:00 -
[98]
Originally by: keepiru
Ladies and gentlemen, i give you:
Ming the Mercyless, his daughter and his nefarious assistant.
Finally an Eve re-enactment of Flash Gordon is possible! 
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.02.09 17:21:00 -
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And the people who have all their slots filled up once again get the shaft. And no, I can't delete them since they have quite a number of SPs.
CCP have a function where you can go through the creating process even if your slots are all filled up.
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Scake
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Posted - 2006.02.09 17:29:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Scake on 09/02/2006 17:28:58
Originally by: Kyguard
And the people who have all their slots filled up once again get the shaft. And no, I can't delete them since they have quite a number of SPs.
CCP have a function where you can go through the creating process even if your slots are all filled up.
I'd say three slots is quite generous, could easily have given only one with Eve's skill system. If you just want to play around with the new bloodlines in character creation then set up a trial account and go to town.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.02.09 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kyguard
And the people who have all their slots filled up once again get the shaft. And no, I can't delete them since they have quite a number of SPs.
CCP have a function where you can go through the creating process even if your slots are all filled up.
Just to make the character pictures, you mean?
That would be cool, if we could just create a portrait just for fun.
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.02.09 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kyguard on 09/02/2006 17:31:29
Originally by: Scake
I'd say three slots is quite generous, could easily have given only one with Eve's skill system. If you just want to play around with the new bloodlines in character creation then set up a trial account and go to town.
Read carefully if you're going to post please. I said that Eve needs to allow players to go through the character creation process without having an open slot. I never mentioned the amount of char slots that we need.
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.02.09 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Just to make the character pictures, you mean?
That would be cool, if we could just create a portrait just for fun.
You got it.
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Scake
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Posted - 2006.02.09 17:35:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Kyguard
Edited by: Kyguard on 09/02/2006 17:31:29
Originally by: Scake
I'd say three slots is quite generous, could easily have given only one with Eve's skill system. If you just want to play around with the new bloodlines in character creation then set up a trial account and go to town.
Read carefully if you're going to post please. I said that Eve needs to allow players to go through the character creation process without having an open slot. I never mentioned the amount of char slots that we need.
Okay sorry just assumed from:
Originally by: Kyguard
And the people who have all their slots filled up once again get the shaft.
my bad, but still it only takes a few minutes to set up a trial account if you want to play around with char creation and its a minor inconvenience at the most.
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.02.09 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Scake
my bad, but still it only takes a few minutes to set up a trial account if you want to play around with char creation and its a minor inconvenience at the most.
I don't mean to derail the thread but, I thought trial accounts aren't allowed to be obtained by veteran players?
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Scake
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Posted - 2006.02.09 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kyguard
Originally by: Scake
my bad, but still it only takes a few minutes to set up a trial account if you want to play around with char creation and its a minor inconvenience at the most.
I don't mean to derail the thread but, I thought trial accounts aren't allowed to be obtained by veteran players?
Oh, really? Didn't know that. I mean it seems to be the most logical way to set up a second account.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.02.09 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 09/02/2006 17:53:21
"I don't mean to derail the thread but, I thought trial accounts aren't allowed to be obtained by veteran players?"
There's no limitations about who can set up trial account as far as i can tell. ^^;
(oh and another way to check new character creation would be the test server, where you can delete any of your characters without affecting them on real server)
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Ominus Decre
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Posted - 2006.02.09 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Khaotic
And it makes no difference in the game at all.
If someone new starts the game with a few points in more used attributes than I did, its no big deal. When I see players who have 25, 30 million or more skill points complaining about this, its quite ridiculous.
That's the most realistic post in this thread people.
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Lisa Run
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Posted - 2006.02.09 18:33:00 -
[109]
Originally by: GreyMana
Edited by: GreyMana on 09/02/2006 17:15:17
Originally by: Nafri
in my eyes there is absolutly no point in making recons ships will/perc, thy are for EW lovers not gunnery people, but the time I gain when training the EW skills to lvl4 I loose when training the Recon ship skill
It wouldn't be the pain if wouldn't need Cruiser Lv.5.
People with high Int/Mem are getting the shaft for T2 vessels. It's perfectly okay for combat thingies but not for non-damage types like Recon and Logistics. I mean wtf, you don't even need Electronic Warfare as a prerequisite for the rook, and only to lv. 1 to use the modules on it.
edit: Excellent work on the models, they really look great
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.02.09 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Oveur
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yes, its the same total. But they are better set out attributes, no one will really try and tell you that charisma is as good as perception.
Having the same total does help, but by no means does it mean they are balanced
Well, how would you balance it? I'm not saying Charisma is by any means good, but I'd like to see you train for Command ship with 3 in Charisma.
I trained for a command ship with 3+1 perception. Command ships require FAR more gunnery/spaceship command skills than leadership. I ONLY fly gallente ships and have 5.2million in spaceship command and 3.2 million in gunnery. So I have 8.5million skillpoints in perc/willpower stuff to can fly all t2 frigates, HACs (recon is at 1), and the Astarte. For comparison, thats 1.5million short of EVERY SINGLE LEADERSHIP SKILL IN GAME.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.02.09 19:55:00 -
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Honostly the attribute system is hopelessly borked, GET RID OF IT.
Just reset everyones attributes to the average, remove the display that shows it, remove primary and secondary on skills, have them have a set skill time (Easy enough with set attributes across the board) and make implants percentage based.
Other then that the fairest method would be to get rid of base stats for races entirely and just let EVERYONE (even old players in a respec) assign their 30 base attribute points.
IMHO Character choice should be largely decided by how you want your avatr to look in game.
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Capsicum
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Posted - 2006.02.09 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru
Ladies and gentlemen, i give you:
Ming the Mercyless, his daughter and his nefarious assistant.
I really can't help but think that your Ming person looks a bit Klingon ^^
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.02.09 21:20:00 -
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Holy crap, Achura can start out with science 5.
Holy research alt Batman.
I honostly don't think CCP wants anyone to play anything but caldari.
PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
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ManOfHonor
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Posted - 2006.02.09 22:14:00 -
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I cry every night when I see my char, int and mem points...
Even though I ahve a use for the later 2, I'd LOVE to have a good number of them tossed into perc and will, since theres a TON more perc and will based skills that I want trained over int and mem based skills....
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2006.02.09 22:29:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Gierling
Holy crap, Achura can start out with science 5.
Holy research alt Batman.
I honostly don't think CCP wants anyone to play anything but caldari.
Cheese?
And the Khanid can start with 16 perc and 10 will. Your point?
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2006.02.09 22:38:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Gierling
Holy crap, Achura can start out with science 5.
Holy research alt Batman.
I honostly don't think CCP wants anyone to play anything but caldari.
yes because everyone wants research...
The last time I even looked at a lab slot was about 2 years ago so I guess the Achura is not for everyone, huh? Why assume that everyone will need research more than anything else?
Its like people posting here saying that Khanid will be the best race to choose. For what? Yes they will be uber gunnery skill characters but why assume that fighting is the be-all-end-all of eve?
Want to be a fighter? yes, choose Khanid.
Want to be a miner? Choose Vherokior
Want to be a fleet commander? Choose Jin-Mei
Want to be a researcher? Choose Achura.
Saying that any one character will be the most used in eve is narrow minded.
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2006.02.09 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Oveur
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yes, its the same total. But they are better set out attributes, no one will really try and tell you that charisma is as good as perception.
Having the same total does help, but by no means does it mean they are balanced
Well, how would you balance it? I'm not saying Charisma is by any means good, but I'd like to see you train for Command ship with 3 in Charisma.
However, how about suggesting an alternative which you feel is more balanced, without it being just like all the other bloodlines.
Even with that I'm FAR from wanting a character with high charisma.
Though maybe having charisma not be a primary or secondary for any skill might be cool, instead have it help a bit with EVERY skill. Obviously have it balanced so people just don't have characters with everything charisma.
Though balancing would be your call, my suggestion would be to have it A LITTLE worse then having a balance of everything.
Like on gunnery skills having 2 perception would be better then having 2 charisma no doubt, but having 1 perception and 1 willpower would not much better (though not so little a difference that ppl go high char) then 2 charisma.
I think this would appeal to current players who have in charisma and see at is completely useless, even with the command skills its not very useful. It'll keep people wanting to specialize have an advantage, yet still let people who want to be a "Jack of all trades but master of none" pick characters that are well suited to that.
Dunno give it some though ;p other people's opinions are of course highly valued as long as they're not like OMGWTF ;p I'm know a lot of my "ideas" have huge flaws ;p some I don't even see ;p
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2006.02.09 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Dao 2 on 09/02/2006 23:10:33
Originally by: Darius Shakor
Originally by: Gierling
Holy crap, Achura can start out with science 5.
Holy research alt Batman.
I honostly don't think CCP wants anyone to play anything but caldari.
yes because everyone wants research...
The last time I even looked at a lab slot was about 2 years ago so I guess the Achura is not for everyone, huh? Why assume that everyone will need research more than anything else?
Its like people posting here saying that Khanid will be the best race to choose. For what? Yes they will be uber gunnery skill characters but why assume that fighting is the be-all-end-all of eve?
Want to be a fighter? yes, choose Khanid.
Want to be a miner? Choose Vherokior
Want to be a fleet commander? Choose Jin-Mei
Want to be a researcher? Choose Achura.
Saying that any one character will be the most used in eve is narrow minded.
hes talking about t2 lottery ;)
edit: as alt slots filled with the lvl 5 science starters so you can easily and quickly get into the t2 bpo lottery, which is a VERY BAD idea in my eyes. Though of course I'm just one opinion far from having the weight of a dev ;p
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Atum
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Posted - 2006.02.09 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Capsicum
Originally by: keepiru
Ladies and gentlemen, i give you:
Ming the Mercyless, his daughter and his nefarious assistant.
I really can't help but think that your Ming person looks a bit Klingon ^^
QFT, and his daughter like a brunette Quistis
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Josiah Bartlet
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Posted - 2006.02.09 23:52:00 -
[120]
Originally by: aeti
does anybody really want to look like this
OMG
It looks like that hideous creature from the terrible movie, Shedevil with rosanne barr.
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