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Garden Hose
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Posted - 2006.02.13 13:21:00 -
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Go away!
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rig0r
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Posted - 2006.02.13 13:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Testy Mctest
Originally by: JamesTalon
Bloody penguin, I hope Ethan guts the thing... I wonder if anyone even knows what I'm talking about 
Linux isn't that great in my opinion, but meh, I use my comp for gaming, not much else, so windows is easier
ctrlaltdel ftw.
As we all know, Linux is a better OS than Windows.
However, Windows has the support, and programs and drivers made for it. Linux doesn't have this totally.
And hence, Windows will always be superior for most people, and definitely for the gaming market, until developers are willing to spend a lot of money porting their stuff to a second platform.
And if you think that's going to happen anytime in our lifetimes, you're mistaken.
Lies. More and more game developers create their games for both windows and linux. Quake4, UT2004 are perfect examples. There is no need to port anything if you use the right (cross-platform) libraries where possible. Ofcourse there is always extra work involved but porting an entire game is not always necessary.
Anyway this thread is NOT ABOUT A NATIVE EVE CLIENT but about better EVE support in WINE.
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.02.13 13:39:00 -
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Just a bit of info for those voting. I'm a paying subscriber to cedega (transgaming) and have already voted there. For a time, EVE wasn't on the list of supported games at all, but that has changed. Enough of us EVE-ers put in votes there, so it does show in the database now. (RMR).
Our thread is the largest in the "other" category, and has NEARLY the largest count even amongst the 'named' game sub-forums.
We're not quite there yet for stability, but its getting better.
WOW and Guildwars are (last I checked) now fully supported, and some users in those forums are reporting better FPS than they were getting on the native windows side.
Again, this thread isn't about porting, rather getting our members who WANT an alternative to raise their voices to the wine folks. Getting us to the top in the games list for MMO's in WINE.........made me smile.....er....makes me smile. :)
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.02.13 13:45:00 -
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Um? Eve WORKS with WineX
Seen people running it and threads on it before.
But I won't vote simply because I don't use Linux as an OS - I found I was spending my time fighting it (and yes, I'm a computing professional) rather than getting anything done. Open Office is the sort of example you want to hold up as Open Source, not Linux.
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.02.13 13:52:00 -
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Um, Maya, wineX = CEDEGA. It does work......but not well, and has issues with some parts of the game. (most notably settings window, file handling and a few DX issues that still need to be ironed out).
As for the wine voting, it is the main fork of wine, and I've personally spoken with a few of the folks working on it...one of which I KNOW plays EVE. Getting more than just one fork to work well, can only mean good things.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.13 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Um? Eve WORKS with WineX
And WineX costs money.
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Xiliath
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Posted - 2006.02.13 13:59:00 -
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Voted!
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2006.02.13 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Guardian Alpha
While the official WINE is a good start we need to also look into a petition vote for Cedega, as that has far more DX9/10 support than the origonal WINE.
I would have voted for EVE with cedega aswell, but the problem is that I have to pay a monthly fee just to be able to vote, and with eve reported as being somewhat unstable on cedega I don't consider it worth the money (yet, but that may change in the future).
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Memphis Raines
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Posted - 2006.02.13 18:47:00 -
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In all seriousness they'd be better off working on a Mac client. I'm sorry but I really don't think CCP should invest ANY time or resources into a Linux supported client that will only cater to an extremely small percentage of their gaming population. They're a small company with limited resources. Why should they waste time, money and resources into something that will have no return? You guys can thump your Linux bibles all you want but face it, you're in a very, very small minority and pose no profit to CCP.
Wish I had a dollar for every bloody Linux thread that pops up. 
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.13 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Memphis Raines
In all seriousness they'd be better off working on a Mac client. I'm sorry but I really don't think CCP should invest ANY time or resources into a Linux supported client that will only cater to an extremely small percentage of their gaming population. They're a small company with limited resources. Why should they waste time, money and resources into something that will have no return? You guys can thump your Linux bibles all you want but face it, you're in a very, very small minority and pose no profit to CCP.
Wish I had a dollar for every bloody Linux thread that pops up.
READ THE THREAD AGAIN.
And again.
And again.
This thread has absolutely nothing to do with CCP doing anything whatsoever.
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I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde
You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes
Immy > You All - Imaran
Tachikomas > All ~kieron
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radon8
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Posted - 2006.02.13 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Memphis Raines
In all seriousness they'd be better off working on a Mac client. I'm sorry but I really don't think CCP should invest ANY time or resources into a Linux supported client that will only cater to an extremely small percentage of their gaming population. They're a small company with limited resources. Why should they waste time, money and resources into something that will have no return? You guys can thump your Linux bibles all you want but face it, you're in a very, very small minority and pose no profit to CCP.
Wish I had a dollar for every bloody Linux thread that pops up.
And I wish I got a dollar for every person who thought that this thread is asking CCP to lift a finger! lol  You are quite right though.. if CCP was to make another client Mac OS X would be the next most popular OS; but that is for another thread.
I just want to say thanks to all the folks who voted. Eve is now top of the list of most wanted apps to work under WINE :) I wish I had the DirectX skills to help with the coding work, but this should help at least raise the priority of getting the work done.
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Taerenius
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Posted - 2006.02.13 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Um? Eve WORKS with WineX
And WineX costs money.
Actually winex (cedega) is free if you download the source and compile it yourself. It only costs money (oh no a whopping $5/month for 3 months) if you want to download the precompiled binaries with copy protection support. Since Eve has no copy protection you don't have to use the binaries.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.13 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Taerenius
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Um? Eve WORKS with WineX
And WineX costs money.
Actually winex (cedega) is free if you download the source and compile it yourself. It only costs money (oh no a whopping $5/month for 3 months) if you want to download the precompiled binaries with copy protection support. Since Eve has no copy protection you don't have to use the binaries.
Last time I downloaded the CVS and compiled it I got about 300 seperate compile errors.
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The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
<3 Tachikomas -Eldo
But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler
I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde
You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes
Immy > You All - Imaran
Tachikomas > All ~kieron
POKEMON -eris
Jacques was 'ere
Capsicum still is | Jorauk was, but got hungry and left |
Xiliath
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Posted - 2006.02.14 04:02:00 -
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If any of you just wanted to try Cedega, they now have a 14 day evaluation trial you can download. I pay for Cedega in hope that they'll one day support EVE.
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Kim Chee
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Posted - 2006.02.14 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Guardian Alpha
Those who still view Linux as something difficult and inferior have yet to learn the operating system.
OS Bigot ;)
Sorry, I've used, administered, and programmed on Linux since the 0.95 kernel days, and still use it for servers. I don't think the X-windows desktop will ever be good enough to make me switch my workstation though.... at least until X gets a total rewrite and the Gnome/KDE folks stop fighting.
Do I want EVE running under Wine? I really don't care, except that I don't want CCP to waste any resources on it. If the WINE folk email the devs, and they have the time to reply... fantastic. But I don't want them to TAKE time away from improving EVE, just to satisfy a small minority of people who, frankly and IMHO, are too stubborn to use the right tool for the right job.
Vila Restal: I'm entitled to my opinion.
Kerr Avon: It is your assumption that we are entitled to it as well that is irritating.
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.02.14 09:33:00 -
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Kim, again, please read the thread or at least REALLY read the OP. This isn't about CCP doing a damn thing. Its about getting the members who USE linux to go to the wine page and VOTE for our app to get ATTENTION by the wine developers.
How many times does this have to be said? Is it something about the word "linux" that gets certain portions of the population up in arms? I simply do NOT understand this.
Also: confirming that cedega (transgaming) has opened up the commercial version of cedega for a 14 day trial.
I personally pay the membership fee as I know that its not just EVE that gets help, but our community overall as we can just use the OS of CHOICE and be able to use applications without concern over that choice.
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Capsicum
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Posted - 2006.02.14 10:05:00 -
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Folks,
If this thread descends into OS FUD, then I'll have no choice but to lock it.
If you want to argue the relative merits of Windows VS Linux, please go elsewhere
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CB Cyrix
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Posted - 2006.02.14 10:07:00 -
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ILL VOTE! SIGNED!
Either a linux client or just make the servers linux, atleast they will work then...
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Larshus Magrus
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Posted - 2006.02.14 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Memphis Raines
In all seriousness they'd be better off working on a Mac client. I'm sorry but I really don't think CCP should invest ANY time or resources into a Linux supported client that will only cater to an extremely small percentage of their gaming population. They're a small company with limited resources. Why should they waste time, money and resources into something that will have no return? You guys can thump your Linux bibles all you want but face it, you're in a very, very small minority and pose no profit to CCP.
Wish I had a dollar for every bloody Linux thread that pops up.
You realize that the underpinning of linux and MacOS are BOTH Unix based right? If it natively ran on OSX it'd be trivial to get running in linux.
If there are a zillion linux threads wouldnt that tell you that the OS is used. Alot? How many MocOS client threads do you see? How many linux threads? Hundreds of thousands of us now use linux as our primary OS. The reason tis not "reported" anywhere is because there are no sales figures as there are with OSX and Windows.. no where to get statistics from. You don't buy linux. You download an image then every so often run teh updater and depending on which distro you use, either grabs all the binaries off the net to update you to the current state (kinda of like windows update but for ALL your applicatiosn too) or downloads the source off the internet and compiles it specifically for your archetecture (machine).
There is no way to track such figures accurately.
In the server world its a bit different. You can spider web sites and see which os is hosting them.. so its easy to grab figures there. Which btw, shows linux/unix way outnumber windows machines for this type of thing.
My point is if you could accurately guage how many people are unsing linux on thier desktop, you might be VERY suprised.
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Ayepocsz
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Posted - 2006.02.14 15:15:00 -
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You choose to use linux because you want to look like a pro. You wish to be seen as the expert. You want to do everything manually.
Dont expect support when you choose the hard way.
*dont use linux unless you really really really mean it ;) (and YES i know some uses where i would chose linux)
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Andrymeda
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Posted - 2006.02.14 15:46:00 -
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I'd rather CCP keep their resources on the existing product. They've got more work to do.
And someone in this thread posted a link or page that tried to send me a cookie. Tsk-tsk.
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Zippy Pinno
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Posted - 2006.02.14 16:00:00 -
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Voted
PS - Its easy to write portable code. Not to do so is shortsighted and weak.
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rig0r
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Posted - 2006.02.14 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Andrymeda
I'd rather CCP keep their resources on the existing product. They've got more work to do.
And someone in this thread posted a link or page that tried to send me a cookie. Tsk-tsk.
Read the topic. Then reply. It's not that hard.
If you can't do that, stay off the forums mkay ?
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2006.02.14 16:05:00 -
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i have bad expirience with linux
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David Sinclair
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Posted - 2006.02.14 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kim Chee
Sorry, I've used, administered, and programmed on Linux since the 0.95 kernel days, and still use it for servers. I don't think the X-windows desktop will ever be good enough to make me switch my workstation though.... at least until X gets a total rewrite and the Gnome/KDE folks stop fighting.
All the major distributions are switching from XFree to Xorg, which is in the process of re-writing the whole thing. Who cares if Gnome/KDE fight? Pick one and run with it. Choice is not a bad thing. I'm currently running KDE, and the feature set is much larger than windows and feels much more responsive. What is it that windows provides as a better workstation than Linux? Frankly, when I am forced to use windows, due to the few unportable applications, I feel like I'm taking a giant leap backward in UI standards...
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Do I want EVE running under Wine? I really don't care, except that I don't want CCP to waste any resources on it. If the WINE folk email the devs, and they have the time to reply... fantastic. But I don't want them to TAKE time away from improving EVE, just to satisfy a small minority of people who, frankly and IMHO, are too stubborn to use the right tool for the right job.
It's interesting that you put it that way. I use Linux for my job. Not only does it integrate properly with the necessarily elements I need to get work done, it plays games very well. Doom 3, Quake 4, and Neverwinter Nights all run native perfectly. I used to play WoW, which ran perfectly through cedega. I can even run Eve through Cedega, though due to some really wierd bugs performance is sub-par (though stability is not an issue, it's only crashed once or twice).
Linux is more than capable of gaming performance. If you don't want Eve to run under Linux, that's fine. But why do you feel the need to step in here and flame those who do?
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Katie Wise
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Posted - 2006.02.14 16:40:00 -
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Wine FTL!!!!
I'm all for more OS support but linux? How about AIX? And if we are attempting to get more supported OSes.. lets not emmulate... pure port please!
p690 Regatta FTW! :)
How about a 390 build too. /snicker
You might be able to run Eve on linux using VM ware to emulate a full windows install.
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Roxors
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Posted - 2006.02.14 16:44:00 -
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wine is cool and it would be nice to see it support eve.. i know alot of people that would love to run eve on an open source platform.
personally i use windows for gaming.. the reason for that is when im done working for the day i dont want to hear jack schlitz about dependancies or incompatabilities. for my servers at work i take full advantage of open source software (freebsd ftw!!) but for a desktop os windows is a little more user friendly. to put it simply.. i'll run my games on an open source platform when freebsd puts them in the ports collection.
but yes.. wine and sedega support would be sweet. like i said.. i know lots of people that enjoy the academia of gaming on OS's not designed for that purpose..
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.02.14 16:46:00 -
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Why is there always a fetish with Linux and EvE?
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2006.02.14 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 14/02/2006 17:05:47
I work for a software support team, and I despise apple macintoshes.
However That said, I would love to open the Eve online market up to Apple users.
as for linux Im neither for or against, to be honest you dont have to use linux you could just use windows. But then thats just another topic alltogether.
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2006.02.14 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: radon8
I doubt CCP would ever have a linux version out soon, but you can register your support for EVE to work under WINE, the Linux Windows emulator which has a lot of DirectX 9 support, but not quite enough to get EVE running past the splash screen.
As you can see in the list below, EVE is already listed in the top 25 applications most wanted to fully work under Linux, but is behind many other games, including WoW.
http://appdb.winehq.org/votestats.php
If you would be interesting in being able to play EVE on a Linux OS, register with the WINE app db website and register your vote (or all 3 votes!) for the game.
http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=2249
Look, we ahve been over this so many times, EVE is a game, and 97% STATISCALLY PC use windows, end of story.
EVE will never be a linux base game. Linux is basically a coers platform, not a gamers platform.
Stop makiing these stupid posts
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