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Scary Noises
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Posted - 2006.06.13 01:49:00 -
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The only way the Windows monopoly will be broken is if applications stop being exclusive to the operating system. If developers won't do it then someone else has to. |
Ab Initio
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Posted - 2006.06.13 02:15:00 -
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 Originally by: jamesw
hmmmm
<insert wine whine here>
If you buy a game designed to run on windows, then use windows - its not hard to do.
Like I said earlier, someone is trying to do something positive for the EVE community, that has no affect at all on people not using Linux. It also has no affect at all on CCP. It is purely there to help people using Linux, and people still feel the need to post this garbage.
A big part of why I play this game is the EVE community. By community, I mean people like the OP, not the 'contributors' whos posts are for the most part completely worthless.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.06.13 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ab Initio
Originally by: BPO Master
He says it emulates an environment, and I'll be damned if that isn't just what your quote describes.
I think the point is that it doesn't emulate a Windows OS, it runs the windows binary and simply maps api calls to there linux equivelant.
I'm pretty sure they did the whole "Wine Is Not an Emulator" thing just to cause arguments though 
BOCHs is an emulator. WINE is an implementation of the windows APIs in Linux. There is a difference.
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Bartholomeus Crane
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ab Initio
Originally by: jamesw
hmmmm
<insert wine whine here>
If you buy a game designed to run on windows, then use windows - its not hard to do.
Like I said earlier, someone is trying to do something positive for the EVE community, that has no affect at all on people not using Linux. It also has no affect at all on CCP. It is purely there to help people using Linux, and people still feel the need to post this garbage.
A big part of why I play this game is the EVE community. By community, I mean people like the OP, not the 'contributors' whos posts are for the most part completely worthless.
QFT!
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shwarzkauph
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:37:00 -
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not many CONSUMERS use linux. Notice I said consumers, not nerds or geeks who think theyre cool. Ive never had a problem with windows.
Games companies are after the consumer market, they want to make money. Theres not much money in Linux, so why bother.
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Bartholomeus Crane
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Posted - 2006.06.13 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: shwarzkauph
not many CONSUMERS use linux. Notice I said consumers, not nerds or geeks who think theyre cool. Ive never had a problem with windows.
Games companies are after the consumer market, they want to make money. Theres not much money in Linux, so why bother.
You don't like linux or nerds or geeks or never had a problem with windows? Good for you! That simply isn't what this thread is about. A hint? Read the OP, simple, is only like 4 lines of text. You don't want to bother? Fine with me as well, just don't bother telling me, because frankly ...
For those others, EVE can always need more votes on the wine website. Doesn't cost you a penny, doesn't involve CCP doing anything, but will help the community by maybe bringing in more players.
I'm surprised people have such a hard time understanding! This thread is not about which OS is better! It is about indicating to the developers of wine (not CCP!) that there are people out there that would like wine to support EVE online. That's it, no hidden agenda, we are not us trying to tell that we are cool or superiour!
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.13 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ab Initio
Edited by: Ab Initio on 13/06/2006 00:12:13
Originally by: Avon
CCP have had a chat with Transgaming.
What more do you need?
Now, close the coffin, and get this thread back in the earth where it belongs.
RIP.
This thread is about Wine, not Cedega.. CCP contacting Transgaming has nothing to do with the OP either.
EDIT: For the record, I use Cedega, updating of Wine doesn't affect me at all. It's just really annoying, to see this many people reply to a thread without reading the content. The OP is trying to do something positive for our community, and instead of getting support, adleast 1/2 of the thread is random crap that has nothing to do with his post.
If you think Cedega and Wine are coded in total isolation you are very wrong.
I know for a fact that there are people who code for both.
If something hits Cedega which would help it run under Wine, and it isn't restriced code (copy protection for example), that change will end up in Wine.
That was the point I was trying to make. I should have been more clear, and for that I am sorry.
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Bartholomeus Crane
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Posted - 2006.06.13 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Ab Initio
Edited by: Ab Initio on 13/06/2006 00:12:13
This thread is about Wine, not Cedega.. CCP contacting Transgaming has nothing to do with the OP either.
EDIT: For the record, I use Cedega, updating of Wine doesn't affect me at all. It's just really annoying, to see this many people reply to a thread without reading the content. The OP is trying to do something positive for our community, and instead of getting support, adleast 1/2 of the thread is random crap that has nothing to do with his post.
If you think Cedega and Wine are coded in total isolation you are very wrong.
I know for a fact that there are people who code for both.
If something hits Cedega which would help it run under Wine, and it isn't restriced code (copy protection for example), that change will end up in Wine.
That was the point I was trying to make. I should have been more clear, and for that I am sorry.
I don't particularly like Transgaming, or more precisely, what Transgaming did. They stole a version of wine when it was still under a liberal license, added some patches, brought it out as Cedega and started milking it for all they could without giving anything back to the original developers. That, to me, is simply low.
Now, wine is comming back stronger as ever, with an even better program as well. As for Transgaming working with the developers from wine, I'd be somewhat surprised about that. EVE sort of works under Cedega but doesn't under wine (yet). If Transgaming had been so cooperative, EVE would have been working under wine now as well. Maybe some contributors to Cedega also contribute to wine, but given their record, I think it more likely that Transgaming is still trying to milk wine for all that its got.
But as you said, this thread is not about Cedega or Transgaming, it's about wine, and more people voting for EVE on winehq can only help the community. So let's all do that
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Captain Alcoholic
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Posted - 2006.06.13 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Scorpyn
I would have voted for EVE with cedega aswell, but the problem is that I have to pay a monthly fee just to be able to vote, and with eve reported as being somewhat unstable on cedega I don't consider it worth the money (yet, but that may change in the future).
I highly suggest looking and seeing if other games are supported that you do play. Right now EVE is the only one that isnt. For me:
Quake4 (native)
UT (native)
Steam (Cedega)
Pirates! (Cedega)
Eve (apparently Cedega eventually)
Diablo 2 (cedega)
Gun (cedega)
Plus I have heard that Transgaming (the co behind Cedega) is in the talks with CCP for a partnership (TG does the coding, CCP shells out info or shares source). That would rock. This was from Wulfram personally. I talked to him at the Desktop Linux Summit in April.
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Captain Alcoholic
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: The Wizz117
i have bad expirience with linux
Such as? Perhaps I could be of assistance. I have been using for almost 10 years now, and have had my ... fun ... and can sympathize with you. On the other hand, when working its a blast and a nice retreat from MS Windows. Unfortunately not ALL games that I have interest in work completely. Most, yes, but not EVE ;D Fully that is.
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adfnr
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Posted - 2006.10.31 23:42:00 -
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Voted! We seem quite stable at #1.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.31 23:43:00 -
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No necro! Bad puppy! No treats for you!
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Scorpyn
Caldari
The Patriot Pact
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Posted - 2006.11.01 00:02:00 -
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This is probably the only necro so far that I actually like 
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Tiger Sahara
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Posted - 2006.11.01 02:05:00 -
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Woted at winehq.
We're #1 atm, with 179 votes
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Flesh Eater
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Posted - 2006.11.01 03:45:00 -
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I can't see them porting it....but they should at least make it work well with Wine on Linux. OpenGL as an option makes sense for a lot of reasons....yet they have locked themselves into the DirectX path... :/
Developers have a responsibility if we are to have more options for Operating Systems...at the moment choices in OSes seem to have stagnated.
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Iyanah
Minmatar
Mining Munitions and Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.11.01 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: JamesTalon
Bloody penguin, I hope Ethan guts the thing... I wonder if anyone even knows what I'm talking about 
Linux isn't that great in my opinion, but meh, I use my comp for gaming, not much else, so windows is easier
lol, i know what you're talking about, and i find you ammusing.
and to the OP:
i dunno about the game, but the forums seem to run perfectly on whine... ...wait... that's something different :P
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.01 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: JamesTalon
Bloody penguin, I hope Ethan guts the thing... I wonder if anyone even knows what I'm talking about
Linux isn't that great in my opinion, but meh, I use my comp for gaming, not much else, so windows is easier
I know what your talking about, mate.
Izo Azlion.
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Gyrn Fzirth
Minmatar
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.01 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 01/11/2006 22:51:22
*EDIT*
I should read more. I was under the (apparently mistaken) impression this was a vote to get ccp to code eve to support linux. It is not.
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Andrew Gunn
Frontline Defense Force
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.01 22:47:00 -
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All three of my votes are now on EVE-Online
It's really funny to see how incredibly stupid some people are when it comes to this subject. I don't indeed to be mean, but why is it that some people are compelled to offer their "insight" when they have no idea what WINE is, what the OP is talking about, or even what they are talking about?
To make things clear (as has been done many, many times in this thread):
WINE - A linux utility that allows for Windows-based programs to run on linux. THIS IS NOT MADE BY CCP
EVE - The video game that we all play. This is made by CCP.
The point of this thread - To get people (probably not you) to go to ANOTHER website, and petition ANOTHER developer, to make THEIR software run EVE.
This message is a public service announcement, brought to you by the "shut up and read" foundation and the ad-council.
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Derran
Minmatar
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.01 22:50:00 -
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I'd rather see a Macintosh client for Eve first. At least Mac users could then play another MMORPG instead of just WoW.
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hobieone
Caldari
Intergalactic Commerce Union
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Posted - 2006.11.01 22:59:00 -
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the ting that would help wine alot and bring upto and probably surpass cedga is they would develope a gui for it. and i wold like to see support for a native version of the client tho that would rock
like to comment thou it amazes me how ignorant some on this forums can can like the above comment about linux being a hacked together unis is couldn';t be further fromthe truth. like to some of their faces when they try to use windows vista and find out more than 95% of the current and new games on the market currently will not install or run on it! anyone that tried the mosrt recent release canaidate can atest to that fact. beside some game developers are giving linux attension like croteam desided instead of working with wine/cedega htey makeing a native client for serious sam 2 which is a great fun fps and so far it looking good.
and i run eve both on linux through cedega and windows xp and it run fine both ways
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Taram Caldar
Caldari
Acheron Vanguard Armada
The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 01/11/2006 23:10:00
Originally by: Derran
I'd rather see a Macintosh client for Eve first. At least Mac users could then play another MMORPG instead of just WoW.
Lack of reading skills FTW!!!!
READ THE THREAD GENIUS! Nobody is asking CCP to port the game to Linux! We're asking the developers of WINE (A windows emulator, shudup it's an emulator, for Linux) to fix WINE so it properly runs EVE. It has ZIP to do with CCP.
Personally I play EVE on a XP system because I use the right tool for the right job. But there's nothing wrong with linux users asking other linux users to get a linux app developer to modify their code so it properly runs EVE.
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Gyrn Fzirth
Minmatar
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.03 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: hobieone
the ting that would help wine alot and bring upto and probably surpass cedga is they would develope a gui for it. and i wold like to see support for a native version of the client tho that would rock
like to comment thou it amazes me how ignorant some on this forums can can like the above comment about linux being a hacked together unis is couldn';t be further fromthe truth.
Are you trying to say that it isn't a hacked together "unix-like" os? It isn't real unix, like a BSD. It is absolutely hacked together - thousands of people just tossing stuff in there and hoping the whole steaming pile of crap works.
Linux blows g0ats. If you want to play with unix, get a BSD (freebsd, netbsd etc.)
Originally by: hobieone
like to some of their faces when they try to use windows vista and find out more than 95% of the current and new games on the market currently will not install or run on it! anyone that tried the mosrt recent release canaidate can atest to that fact.
I've been running vista for 2 months now. Eve works great. Quake 4 works great. Half-Life 2 works great. Anything that won't install native can be run in compatibility mode. Try running any of those on linux (except quake - has a linux client) and you'll see why noone has rushed to adopt linux on the desktop :/
Originally by: hobieone
beside some game developers are giving linux attension like croteam desided instead of working with wine/cedega htey makeing a native client for serious sam 2 which is a great fun fps and so far it looking good.
and i run eve both on linux through cedega and windows xp and it run fine both ways
Glad to hear it. More power to you, on running things in linux.
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