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Marac Ranliem	Posted - 2006.02.14 17:24:00 - [91] /signed I would love a native client, Cedega(WineX) just doesnt cut it for eve as its not officially supported and it has a few too many problems.
Scorpyn	Posted - 2006.02.14 17:38:00 - [92] Originally by: Katie Wise You might be able to run Eve on linux using VM ware to emulate a full windows install. Nope, you can't install directx in vmware unless they have greatly improved it since I tried it - the reason being that it's emulating all hardware aswell, and the emulated hardware is not capable of doing things that directx needs it to do. _____________________________________ meep meep

Suvetar	Posted - 2006.02.14 17:49:00 - [93] Title changed, maybe people will stop mis-interpreting this thread now. Maybe. To the people posting "/signed" please vote on the Wine site instead - the URL is listed in the op post. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our new Website!

Capsicum	Posted - 2006.02.14 17:49:00 - [94] Title changed, maybe people will stop mis-interpreting this thread now. Maybe. To the people posting "/signed" please vote on the Wine site instead - the URL is listed in the op post. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our new Website! Tulips are great hey?
Geistkonig	Posted - 2006.02.15 03:58:00 - [95] Originally by: Andrymeda I'd rather CCP keep their resources on the existing product. They've got more work to do. And someone in this thread posted a link or page that tried to send me a cookie. Tsk-tsk. Hide, before Shikari sees your post This is NOT about making CCP do anything. They got EVE working under Windows. It's now up to the WINE folks to get EVE working under GNU/Linux. --- << Noobness shields at 60% and holding. >>
Geistkonig	Posted - 2006.02.15 04:08:00 - [96] Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: Katie Wise You might be able to run Eve on linux using VM ware to emulate a full windows install. Nope, you can't install directx in vmware unless they have greatly improved it since I tried it - the reason being that it's emulating all hardware aswell, and the emulated hardware is not capable of doing things that directx needs it to do. Just to clarify... WINE runs Windows apps without emulating the entire Windows OS or creating any sort of virtual machine. Running EVE on VMWare involves first creating a virtual machine under Linux, then running the entire Windows OS on that machine, and then starting EVE under that copy of Windows. Even if everything worked perfectly, it'd overload your hardware to the nth degree, and would be entirely impractical for daily use to start vmware >> start windows >> open eve >> wait fifteen minutes for the screen to refresh. WINE on the other hand runs without creating a virtual machine, or running another full OS... it merely does magic with libraries, DLLs, DirectX, and other such things that don't quite support EVE on Linux at the present time, but could quite possibly run EVE well if the devs put some serious time into it. Long winded of me, and probably unnecessary... --- << Noobness shields at 60% and holding. >>
Fooball	Posted - 2006.02.16 13:48:00 - [97] The advantage with WINE support is that it makes Eve work on Macs, Linux systems, *BSD and others with the same effort. They don't even have to support or modify the Eve Client. All they would have to do is to install Wine with debugging mode themselves, look at what functions make wine go haywire, look at their own code and copy&paste couple lines of code to the Wine project guys. They would fix the Wine for those functions...
Zant Suken	Posted - 2006.02.17 18:19:00 - [98] I like Linux, but CCP shouldn't bother supporting anything other than Windows. They need to fix the flaws in the current client before spending time on any other platform. -Zant Suken
Mirirar	Posted - 2006.02.17 20:11:00 - [99] I vote that instead of spending time futzing around with stuff to get either a Wine or Linux build running, they instead spend the engineering and art capacity on adding new content for the existing userbase. Supporting Linux will bring in a grand total of 7 users, and would be a QA quagmire. There is simply no business reason to do this. The additional content would bring in far more Win32 users.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.17 20:17:00 - [100] Originally by: Mirirar I vote that instead of spending time futzing around with stuff to get either a Wine or Linux build running, they instead spend the engineering and art capacity on adding new content for the existing userbase. Supporting Linux will bring in a grand total of 7 users, and would be a QA quagmire. There is simply no business reason to do this. The additional content would bring in far more Win32 users. Everyone who doesn't read the OP, including the quoted person above, should be banned from posting in this thread. Seriously. Did you even read the thread TITLE?!! Is everyone blind today?! -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron POKEMON -eris Jacques was 'ere Capsicum still is \| Jorauk was, but got hungry and left Everytime you turn down a duel, 1 unit of chicken appears on market -zhuge liang
Bartholomeus Crane	Posted - 2006.06.12 18:21:00 - [101] Major bumpage here. At any rate. Wine is getting there. I don't like WineX and transgaming (bunch of thieves if you ask me). On the top 25 list here, EVE Online is now in third place with 118 votes. Number 1 on that list has 134 votes. Just a few more votes people! Common, start login in, and start voting! Better yet, use all three of your votes! Now!
Redd Sectoray	Posted - 2006.06.12 21:12:00 - [102] Would love to see WINE running EVE smoothly. Added 3 votes as EVE is the only thing that has me glued to a Windows OS. fingers crossed
DukDodgerz	Posted - 2006.06.12 21:15:00 - [103] the thread was DEAD, stop reanimating the DEAD post! CCP is not a wine dev team, bug the wine dev team..... FRODO HAS FAILED; BUSH HAS THE RING!!! The Hippo mating ritual
Biltic Creen	Posted - 2006.06.12 21:19:00 - [104] Originally by: DukDodgerz the thread was DEAD, stop reanimating the DEAD post! CCP is not a wine dev team, bug the wine dev team..... Oh my god! And at least 20 people beside you have misinterpreted the thread cause they didn't even read the first post ______________________________ This post is not my personal opinion. It does represent the standpoint of every single eve-player.
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.06.12 21:21:00 - [105] Edited by: Hllaxiu on 12/06/2006 21:22:21 Originally by: Suvetar Folks, If this thread descends into OS FUD, then I'll have no choice but to lock it. If you want to argue the relative merits of Windows VS Linux, please go elsewhere Vi is the best editor ever created. Emacs is an over built piece of junk. Anyways.. voted! I just wish that ATI would release enough information for free (as in speech) drivers that have decent support for modern video card functions. Edit I also forgot: Little Endian > Big Endian --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
DukDodgerz	Posted - 2006.06.12 21:26:00 - [106] Originally by: Biltic Creen Originally by: DukDodgerz the thread was DEAD, stop reanimating the DEAD post! CCP is not a wine dev team, bug the wine dev team..... Oh my god! And at least 20 people beside you have misinterpreted the thread cause they didn't even read the first post read it back when it was originaly posted... the thread was DEAD...did you pay attention to THAT???? Posted - 2006.02.12 04:41:00 <--old original post date, dead thread, and the rest of what I posted is still true, even if YOU did not read the thread... FRODO HAS FAILED; BUSH HAS THE RING!!! The Hippo mating ritual
Ab Initio	Posted - 2006.06.12 21:28:00 - [107] Originally by: DukDodgerz the thread was DEAD, stop reanimating the DEAD post! CCP is not a wine dev team, bug the wine dev team..... Shakes head in disbelief I've voted in the hope that support for EVE is added. As for the amount of people responding to this thread without taking the effort to read the OP, you really are making yourselves look very daft.
DukDodgerz	Posted - 2006.06.12 21:39:00 - [108] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: DukDodgerz the thread was DEAD, stop reanimating the DEAD post! CCP is not a wine dev team, bug the wine dev team..... Shakes head in disbelief I've voted in the hope that support for EVE is added. As for the amount of people responding to this thread without taking the effort to read the OP, you really are making yourselves look very daft. disbelief in what, are you blind or unable to read, the thread was DEAD (check the OP date while you toss about insults)! And CCP is NOT a wine/linux dev team...is that too tough to understand? simple and clear, so how could you misunderstand any of what I posted? FRODO HAS FAILED; BUSH HAS THE RING!!! The Hippo mating ritual
Adam C	Posted - 2006.06.12 21:58:00 - [109] which reminds me, my next hard-drive upgrade im installing linux i really really hate microsoft pace of software developement and price
Rakeris	Posted - 2006.06.12 22:00:00 - [110] I would definitly like to see a linux version of EVE or at least to be able to play it using wine. You have my votes already. ^^ -------- If it moves shoot it, if it doesn't, pick it up.
Eyehawl Foreu	Posted - 2006.06.12 22:46:00 - [111] I like pie, will ccp bake me some pie?!?!?!
Samirol	Posted - 2006.06.12 22:51:00 - [112] for the cheesecake! necromancy is bad mmmkkaaaayyy!! pew pew pew ORE MONGERS
Ab Initio	Posted - 2006.06.12 23:07:00 - [113] Edited by: Ab Initio on 12/06/2006 23:10:09 Originally by: DukDodgerz disbelief in what, are you blind or unable to read, the thread was DEAD (check the OP date while you toss about insults)! And CCP is NOT a wine/linux dev team...is that too tough to understand? simple and clear, so how could you misunderstand any of what I posted? I realise that the post was necro, what I am yet to understand is how you think CCP has anything to do with the original post? At all? The entire thread is an attempt to get EVE linux users, to go vote on the Wine site. It has nothing to do with CCP or there developers. It is NOT a request for a linux version, nor a request for CCP to deal with Wine on the users behalf. It is a request for users that are interested in getting Wine to support us, to use our numbers and vote for Wine to add support for EVE. This many pages in, and people are arguing for the sake of arguing, without even reading the OP. EDIT: After 5 posts from you in this thread, one removed by the mods, and STILL NOT READING THE OP.. You deserved to be called out tbh.
Avon	Posted - 2006.06.12 23:38:00 - [114] CCP have had a chat with Transgaming. What more do you need? Now, close the coffin, and get this thread back in the earth where it belongs. RIP. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Bartholomeus Crane	Posted - 2006.06.12 23:47:00 - [115] Originally by: Ab Initio Edited by: Ab Initio on 12/06/2006 23:10:09 Originally by: DukDodgerz ... some drivel ... I realise that the post was necro, what I am yet to understand is how you think CCP has anything to do with the original post? At all? The entire thread is an attempt to get EVE linux users, to go vote on the Wine site. It has nothing to do with CCP or [their] developers. It is NOT a request for a linux version, nor a request for CCP to deal with Wine on the users behalf. It is a request for users that are interested in getting Wine to support us, to use our numbers and vote for Wine to add support for EVE. This many pages in, and people are arguing for the sake of arguing, without even reading the OP. EDIT: After 5 posts from you in this thread, one removed by the mods, and STILL NOT READING THE OP.. You deserved to be called out tbh. Frankly, I don't care how old the OP's post was. Better to resurrect an old post than to made a new one. The request made by the OP is still valid though. It doesn't ask for CCP to do anything. Iy only asks for those interested to vote on Wine's website so that they, the Wine developers, will maybe focus on providing EVE support. That's all. And frankly, the fact that DukDipstick doesn't like me doing that, leaves me cold. It also leaves him looking rather like a ****. But who cares, right?
Ab Initio	Posted - 2006.06.13 00:09:00 - [116] Edited by: Ab Initio on 13/06/2006 00:12:13 Originally by: Avon CCP have had a chat with Transgaming. What more do you need? Now, close the coffin, and get this thread back in the earth where it belongs. RIP. This thread is about Wine, not Cedega.. CCP contacting Transgaming has nothing to do with the OP either. EDIT: For the record, I use Cedega, updating of Wine doesn't affect me at all. It's just really annoying, to see this many people reply to a thread without reading the content. The OP is trying to do something positive for our community, and instead of getting support, adleast 1/2 of the thread is random crap that has nothing to do with his post.
Xendie	Posted - 2006.06.13 00:11:00 - [117] Originally by: DukDodgerz emulator by any other name.... it emulates the environment needed to run a program, thus, EMULATOR. Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator" Some people mean by that that Wine must emulate each processor instruction of the Windows application. This is plain wrong. As Wine's name says: "Wine Is Not an Emulator": Wine does not emulate the Intel x86 processor. It will thus not be as slow as Wabi which, since it is not running on a x86 Intel processor, also has to emulate the processor. Windows applications that do not make system calls will run just as fast as on Windows (no more no less). Some people argue that since Wine introduces an extra layer above the system a Windows application will run slowly. It is true that, in theory, Windows applications that run in Wine or are recompiled with Winelib will not be able to achieve the same performance as native Unix applications. But that's theory. In practice you will find that a well written Windows application can beat a badly written Unix application at any time. The efficiency of the algorithms used by the application will have a greater impact on its performance than Wine. Also, and that's what people are usually interested in, the combination Wine+Unix may be more efficient that Windows. Just as before it's just how good/bad their respective algorithms are. Now to be frank, performance is not yet a Wine priority. Getting more applications to actually work in Wine is much more important right now. For instance most benchmarks do not work yet in Wine and getting them to work at all should obviously have a higher priority than getting them to perform well. But for those applications that do work and from a purely subjective point of view, performance is good. There is no obvious performance loss, except for some slow graphics due to unoptimized Wine code and X11 driver translation performance loss (which can be a problem sometimes, though). Originally by: F'nog This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
BPO Master	Posted - 2006.06.13 00:31:00 - [118] Originally by: Xendie Originally by: DukDodgerz emulator by any other name.... it emulates the environment needed to run a program, thus, EMULATOR. Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator" Some people mean by that that Wine must emulate each processor instruction of the Windows application. This is plain wrong. As Wine's name says: "Wine Is Not an Emulator": Wine does not emulate the Intel x86 processor. It will thus not be as slow as Wabi which, since it is not running on a x86 Intel processor, also has to emulate the processor. Windows applications that do not make system calls will run just as fast as on Windows (no more no less). Some people argue that since Wine introduces an extra layer above the system a Windows application will run slowly. It is true that, in theory, Windows applications that run in Wine or are recompiled with Winelib will not be able to achieve the same performance as native Unix applications. But that's theory. In practice you will find that a well written Windows application can beat a badly written Unix application at any time. The efficiency of the algorithms used by the application will have a greater impact on its performance than Wine. Also, and that's what people are usually interested in, the combination Wine+Unix may be more efficient that Windows. Just as before it's just how good/bad their respective algorithms are. Now to be frank, performance is not yet a Wine priority. Getting more applications to actually work in Wine is much more important right now. For instance most benchmarks do not work yet in Wine and getting them to work at all should obviously have a higher priority than getting them to perform well. But for those applications that do work and from a purely subjective point of view, performance is good. There is no obvious performance loss, except for some slow graphics due to unoptimized Wine code and X11 driver translation performance loss (which can be a problem sometimes, though). I can tell you a volkswagon beatle isnt a car because it has the engine in the rear and uses an air cooled engine...wouldnt make it NOT a car. He says it emulates an environment, and I'll be damned if that isn't just what your quote describes.
Ab Initio	Posted - 2006.06.13 00:43:00 - [119] Originally by: BPO Master He says it emulates an environment, and I'll be damned if that isn't just what your quote describes. I think the point is that it doesn't emulate a Windows OS, it runs the windows binary and simply maps api calls to there linux equivelant. I'm pretty sure they did the whole "Wine Is Not an Emulator" thing just to cause arguments though
jamesw	Posted - 2006.06.13 01:36:00 - [120] hmmmm <insert wine whine here> If you buy a game designed to run on windows, then use windows - its not hard to do. -- NEW Vid: Watch Things Die

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