RIP Caldari.
Phoenix is deadGǪ Drake is deadGǪ Caracal is deadGǪ Tengu will soon be joining them.

I'll try to hit a few points raised in the last page or two, sorry if it's not everything.

Few comments about ignoring feedback still....
I'm still trying to gather as much info as possible and if you guys are using it and are able to say it's not fun (separate from it not being good, which is a different issue and could be corrected with numbers tweaks like 30s reload or more ammo per launcher) please post and let me know.

Again, RLML are NOT a solo weapon anymore. They are frigate interdiction weapons, and they will be very good at that.

Example : you are in a cruiser fleet and one get tackled by a fast tackler, but the RLML cruiser in the fleet will fastly get rid of him and the fleet will safely go away.
In the same kind of fleet, the RLML ship will also be able to shoot at any frigate (tackle, EWAR...) an ennemy fleet could have, removing them from the field.

And if required, the RLML ship can shoot at the primary and add a good burst dps to take down a target before reloading.

A drone ship can do the same, but a lot less effectively : light drones will never ever have 300dps.

RLML ship are now escorting vessels for the fleet, a job destroyers are bad at because they are too vulnerable to ennemy cruisers the fleet might encounter.

And RHML should work the same for BS against cruisers, yet I think a BS can wait 40 seconds and continue the fight then, si I think it's less damaging for them, unless you plan to shoot at BS.

Logistic ships are the worst ship in game for soloing, yet no one would say they are useless. They are supporting ships. RLML are now supporting weapons.

RLML and RHML are not supposed to obsolete other missiles systems and a lot of complaints here aimed the fact that they can't replace other weapons effectively, but they should not do that. There should be use cases for all of them, but for most situations involving low numbers in point range, HAM should be the weapon of choice, exactly like short range turrets are the weapons of choice for turret point range engagements.

My attempt with Rapid Heavies on a Geddon was disappointing..

They're not dead. They're just very situational, niche support weapons.

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This is literally just a thought I wanted to share and is off topic so flame on if you wish.

Is there some Null Blob Doctrine for their mega fleet battles that makes missiles OP?

Is there some Null Blob Doctrine for their mega fleet battles that makes missiles OP?

Is that the problem? When you get 300 Ravens/Carcals together then that is more powerful than 300 Megathrons/Vexors?

What if short range missiles were very good at applying damage to small targets but weak vs fast targets and if long range missiles were very good at hitting fast targets but poor at hitting small targets.

Is there some Null Blob Doctrine for their mega fleet battles that makes missiles OP?

Is that the problem? When you get 300 Ravens/Carcals together then that is more powerful than 300 Megathrons/Vexors?

Well, you can smartbomb them and reduce the dps of an entire missile fleet to 0 with a single ship.

GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS
I found an exploit to get around the 40 second reload timer!
... You should find, if you are lucky, that your RLML have been completely burnt out before the last missile fires.

HAM's and HML's are not solo weapons either, and that's the problem we have; no utility missile system that's capable of engaging a wide range of targets. With turrets as long as you are at the proper range and make an effort to keep your angular velocity low you will be doing effective and instant dps against all targets. Drones have an even wider envelope of engagement, bring more to fleets with drone assist and spider tanking tactics, are flexible enough that they can increase their dps against larger ships, or carry ewar drones to break lock when things are not going your way. I'm not saying drones or turrets are perfect weapons either but they are far more versatile and effective than medium missiles in their current state.

And finaly...

That is terrible I would rather have a slower fire rate then have a 40sec reload time this is not efficient for running missions or ratting.

For missions and ratting, you do have other choices (since NPCs don't pose the same threat as in PvP). HML would probably be my recommendation, just for the range.

also what's happened too the TE/TC/TD change to add missiles too them that would also help with making missiles more useful and add options and balance up the e-war situation..

along with a missile rebalance ofc...

-nerf rockets expl radius 20 is OP 30 odd on rage is OP too and nerf their range
- nerf light missiles damage a little and nerf its expl radius a bit along with a range nerf
- nerf HAM range it shouldn't be the same as torps its usually 50% scaling of sizes from small - large

i would suggest
- nerf light missile damage 10% maybe buff light missile launchers ROF if needed for frigs
-increase ammo capacity by about double on RLML's (HAMS have 60 maybe reduce HAMS to 45)
- reduce reload time to 25 seconds and increase reload time on all missile launchers to 17.5 seconds
- add reduced reload time skill for all launchers 1 second a level.

i always think its strange that missiles can reload as fast as projectiles do seems strange too me.. bulkiness and all i would think a crew would need to practice reloading missiles more than reloading bullets

Why only five?
You were using the capacitor regen matrix, weren't you.

Fun times. This is an interesting RLML update... I equipped a "suicide Tengu" and went looking for a fight. Took me 20 jumps through low-sec to finally find one (go figure). I ran 5x Arbalest RLMLs with no missile rigs, modules or other enhancements. I got into an engagement with a Incursus, Keres, Navy Comet, Thrasher and Malediction. Wasted the Incursus in no-time flat, put the Keres into hull twice (driving it off twice) and mauled the Thrasher and Malediction. Long story short: the frigates and destroyers all tucked tail and ran as soon as they realized they were screwed. Even the cruisers were wary.

They tried scrambling me - nope. Tried web'ing - nope. Tried neuts - nope. Then they called in the big guns. I finally went down to the combined firepower from a Thorax, Rupture, Navy Brutix and Typhoon. Before perishing in a glorious fireball, I peeled the shields completely off the Brutix and Rupture - and knocked about 10% armor off each (best I could do; RMLs just don't have staying power). I died to a combination of Neutron Blasters, Hammerheads and Mjolnir Rage Torpedos (Tengus do have a pretty big EM hole).

If I'd been in a Caracal I'd have been dead long before the heavies showed up, though.

Could you perhaps post these kills to evekill or battleclinic?

First, HAM are better than pulse for example : I know from experience a frigate can orbit a solo kiting Omen fast enough to only care for the drones, drones you can kill when Omen is tackled. HAM wouldn't have this problem : an AB frigate would not catch you, and a MWD one will die to your HAM before she kills you.

HAM Caracal with 3 BCS do 80dps to a non AB Incursus, 150 if webed. That's a lot for a frigate.

Second, Caldari Navy cruisers have high damage application or lots of mid slots for whatever you need, and they are stupidly fast so they make very effective solo kiters.

And finaly, caldari have a whole line of turret ships ; I know hybrid turrets are kind of dirty when you use missiles, but war is a dirty thing anyway.

It wasn't long ago, that Drakes once ruled the vacuum, so its fair to say, it wouldn't take to much to make Caldari decent again.