Hello CCP Rise

I had a think about this for a few minutes over the weekend. Have you considered this:

Give rapid launchers a bigger overheating bonus than is usual so that their DPS increases more than other launchers when heated. Make the their normal DPS sub-par but make their over heated bonus above par.

This way, no annoying and limiting downtime whilst changing ammo but the desired effect of good burst DPS and not so good average DPS is retained.

Goodbye.

Yes. A bonus to all missiles' damage, not to all missile launchers. Nothing in the bonuses affects the RLMLs' stats. You're agreeing with me!

I feed that there's some confusion about the difference between a missile and a missile launcher here.

What a spectacular post. Care to expand on it so that Rise might take you at least a little seriously?

"10% bonus to Heavy Assault and Heavy Missile velocity
10% bonus to Kinetic missile damage, 5% bonus to EM, Explosive, and Thermal missile damage"

10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret rate of fire
10% bonus to Missile damage

Bonuses to light missiles (and the others), not RLMLs. Please, not this **** again Chessur.

Though I do admit that shiptoasting complete inaccurate nonsense is much easier and faster than checking your facts and linking your sources.

I don't know about others, but I would support this absolutely - even though I would continue to clamor for missiles as a whole to undergo a complete top-to-bottom re-evaluation.

I think the missile damage should based more on sig radius than velocity. Higher dps /close range missiles should go slow enough that a smaller class ship can use speed to escape and those missiles still benefit from webs. Long range missiles should go fast enough they almost always catch the target but deliver a smaller punch over a larger area, thus benefitting from paints more than webs. The entire mechanic of explosion velocity is the route of the problem making smaller missile systems so much better at damage application that potential damage is a completely ignorable statistic.

Hi!

Currently I feel we have the numbers high enough that they are almost always the right choice, but if we tune them down at all they will almost never be the right choice.

Its not even just swapping damage types. If things land on grid partway through a fight (like say, interceptors who undocked 30s ago, 2 jumps out), you almost certainly cant kill them, so its basically just warp off or die.

You are forgeting that you will have fired a lot faster than you would have with a regular weapon, and hence you might also be able to kill your target before the interceptor land on grid. You only see the glass half empty here.

You are forgeting that you will have fired a lot faster than you would have with a regular weapon, and hence you might also be able to kill your target before the interceptor land on grid. You only see the glass half empty here.

I would like to see you kill a rupture in 18 volleys.

You are forgeting that you will have fired a lot faster than you would have with a regular weapon, and hence you might also be able to kill your target before the interceptor land on grid. You only see the glass half empty here.

Another day - no updates. Hope looked slim for our heroesGǪ On the plus side, these changes will be fairly easy to adapt for missions. It may make more sense to mix launcher types (RLMLs/HMLs and RHMLs/cruise) to ramp up the sustained DPS during reloads. And even though light missiles don't take up a lot of space, you won't have to carry as many of them.

Give Rise time to read 45 pages of discussion

So, lets try and clean the stupid from this thread.

Osprey Navy- Has a bonus to RLML's, kinetic, 5% other DMG types and velocity
Caracal- Has a bonus to RLML's, Velocity and ROF
Scythe Fleet - Has a bonus to RLML damage
CNI- Has a bonus to RLML ROF, however it does not apply its application bonus to RLMLs Which is what i mentioned a few posts ago. CNI is bad because of this.
Cerb- Kinetitc + Velocity bonus on RLMLs, along with Kin Damage, and ROF to RLMLs
Sac has an RLML ROF bonus
Bellicose- Has ROF RLML bonus


Hopefully this should help out all of the wanna be PvPers in this thread.

Give Rise time to read 45 pages of discussion

The problem is the base stats on the missiles

So rlm should only be able to kill 1 or 2 ships if you are lucky and then be forced to leave no matter what? Also compare this to an omen or thorax who can just shoot and kill the inty when it arrives and never gets caught with the 40 seconds of uselessness. If the origional target has more hp than the caracal can do damage in a single clip and the tackle lands in the middle of the fight the caracal is stuck being unable to kill the tackle before being stuck in a 40 second reload which is a death sentence and unable to finish the cruiser before it gets tackled and dies in a fire before it can finish reloading.

Meanwhile the omen and thorax can just force the tackle off field while still being able to finish off the origional target. This change to rlms just makes the other weapon systems flat out better by comparison and removes any reason to fly a ship with rlms if you expect to be fighting more than 1 opponent. Nobody has to fly an rlm boat since other ships perform just as effectively currently and only train into them because of ease of use and quick training time for the versatility they get. The change will make rlms so sub par that people would rather just not use them at all.

Up until now I've agreed with the things you said, but this time we have to clarify things a bit.

The discussion with the bonuses was around the difference between a RLML Launcher Bonus, or a Missile Damage Bonus.
(Technically I guess there is no "Rapid Light Missile Damage Bonus", as there are no Rapid Light Missiles, only Light Missiles)

It all affects the possibility of fitting normal Light Missile Launchers instead of RLML. This only works on certain ships, namely those with Missile Damage Bonus (such as ScytheFleet, Cerb).

A RLML Caracal does 274 DPS with fury, and a LML Caracal does 142 (also with fury)
A RLML SctheFleet does 239 DPS with fury, and a LML Scythe Fleet does 191.

You may notice the difference in the DPS drop.

So while a LML Cerb or LML ScyFI is somewhat viable after the patch (as it does more sustained DPS as a RLML one), this is not true for Caracals, NOspreys or any other missile cruiser.

Even if the caracal does not have a rof bonus to standard launchers the new rlms still put you in a position where you can't actually adapt to any changing situation at all. Standard launchers are still able to do this, but ultimately outside of edge case scenarios where you are against only one or two people the caracal is pushed further into obsoletion in terms of solo and small gang pvp viability when compared to other ships of its class.

Cerb and scyfi still remain semi viable for solo and small gang being forced to use standard launchers in order to adapt to changes in a fight. Hmls and hams are still nearly worthless because in solo and small gang you don't normally have the ability to apply their damage. This puts other ships such as the omen and thorax so far ahead of it in terms of viability for solo and small gang that the caracal has no real use. Besides, instead of taking a ship designed solely to allow the caracal to apply it's damage, I can take an omen or thorax and then take another omen or thorax and achieve double the result of hml or ham caracal+application ship.

Between locus rigs and frentix/drop the omen and thorax are able to hit out to linked pointrange which is more than enough to deal with tackle. Pulse omen gets less range then rail thorax however scorch and locus rigs/frentix fix this problem easily. Not to mention the navy omen and it's build in range bonus netting you around 40-50k with scorch if shield fit.