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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS
Harmonic Convergence
92
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:16:00 -
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Dang, I'm such a greedy bastard.
I could do it through a number of ways but I'm doing it by providing a product that people want to buy for ISK.
I could do it by pirating, or begging, or ripping people off in any number of legal game ways.
Why is it so bad to you? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17343
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:18:00 -
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Jythier Smith wrote:Sounds like he's expressing a wish to kill more than half (some estimate) of the player base of EVE.
No. He's just snarkily feeding Dinsdale's long-standing and deep-seated paranoia against everyone who even remotely suggests that highsec could do with a bit more risk, often culminating in claims that they are out to get him in the real world as wellGǪ
Satire is a wonderful thing, don't'cha'know.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1667
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:18:00 -
[213] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:Responsive to what?
Nonresponsive to the quote you responded to and the flow of conversation in general. If I really cared about the topic, I'd take the time to walk you back through it, but I don't. You're welcome to try again if you can manage to pick up the thread yourself.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
12329
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:18:00 -
[214] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:Tippia wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Comments like this, by anyone else but a CSM member, would get the poster banned. No it really wouldn't. Humour isn't against the TOS or ROC. Sounds like he's expressing a wish to kill more than half (some estimate) of the player base of EVE.
Read the link I posted if you want to know what I actually "wish".
1 Kings 12:11
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EI Digin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
1363
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:21:00 -
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Jythier Smith wrote:Dang, I'm such a greedy bastard.
I could do it through a number of ways but I'm doing it by providing a product that people want to buy for ISK.
I could do it by pirating, or begging, or ripping people off in any number of legal game ways.
Why is it so bad to you? You sure are welcome to do whatever you want in the game.
But what you do does not necessarily entitle you to that 600 million a month for a PLEX. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
9410
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:24:00 -
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If you want my vision of hisec, imagine a boot stomping on a pubbie faceGÇöforever.
Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1476
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:24:00 -
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Jythier Smith wrote:Tippia wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Comments like this, by anyone else but a CSM member, would get the poster banned. No it really wouldn't. Humour isn't against the TOS or ROC. Sounds like he's expressing a wish to kill more than half (some estimate) of the player base of EVE.
Exactly, if I commented about how I would really enjoy some unfortunate end to the cadre running null sec and that control the future direction of Eve, not only would I be banned from the forums, I would be perma-banned from the game. But Malcanis on the other hand, he has a CSM shield , plus apologists like Tippia, saying "it was a joke", when he suggests killing and cannibalizing high sec players.
As typical, massive double standard in the game.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning.
The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS
Harmonic Convergence
92
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:27:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Dang, I'm such a greedy bastard.
I could do it through a number of ways but I'm doing it by providing a product that people want to buy for ISK.
I could do it by pirating, or begging, or ripping people off in any number of legal game ways.
Why is it so bad to you? You sure are welcome to do whatever you want in the game. But what you do does not necessarily entitle you to that 600 million a month for a PLEX.
I thought I was earning the 600 million a month for a PLEX.
Is putting a business plan together, feeding raw materials into a production chain, and picking up and managing the selling of the finished product not earning it?
Can I be concerned over someone having power over that chain to A) block it or b) tax it into unprofitability?
Honestly, I'll find some other way to get there if I can't get there that way. There are plenty of ways, after all. |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS
Harmonic Convergence
92
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:27:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Tippia wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Comments like this, by anyone else but a CSM member, would get the poster banned. No it really wouldn't. Humour isn't against the TOS or ROC. Sounds like he's expressing a wish to kill more than half (some estimate) of the player base of EVE. Read the link I posted if you want to know what I actually "wish".
I read the link. A lot of those changes have happened, haven't they? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
12331
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:30:00 -
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Jythier Smith wrote:Malcanis wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Tippia wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Comments like this, by anyone else but a CSM member, would get the poster banned. No it really wouldn't. Humour isn't against the TOS or ROC. Sounds like he's expressing a wish to kill more than half (some estimate) of the player base of EVE. Read the link I posted if you want to know what I actually "wish". I read the link. A lot of those changes have happened, haven't they?
Yes :smug:
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
12331
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:31:00 -
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So much good work done; so much more still to do.
So many batles fought. Some lost, more won. So many more yet to fight.
1 Kings 12:11
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS
Harmonic Convergence
92
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:32:00 -
[222] - Quote
Keep up the good work! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
12331
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:32:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And given the outcry over CCP awox'ing 2000 plus high sec players last week, then gleefully broadcasting the carnage on screens at the party upstairs, what do you think what will happen when your version of Eve is implemented? (And yes, you and the other null sec cartel members have won, with the Ayn Rand disciple CCP Seagull rushing headlong in creating your dystopian version of Eve high sec). Does CCP believe that it will easily replace the 30 or 40% of its sub base that will quit, or have you convinced the CCP decision-makers that the sheep will just meekly accept the wrecking of high sec, and the damage to the existing base will be minimal, and far offset by an influx of more sociopaths drawn to the game? I persuaded them to offer hi-sec players a 90% discount for attending fanfest. Once they're all crowded into the main hall, the doors close and and the gas cannisters begin to seep. Soon after, the Icelandic population, long since starved for good meat, and sick to death of eating cod, flock to buy choice cuts of "high sec" quality meat from CCP. The money is used to buy reinforced nodes for the staging systems of every nullsec alliance. I sleep well: the problem of EVE is finally solved. Comments like this, by anyone else but a CSM member, would get the poster banned. But since you are CSM, and untouchable, carry on.
We must have a chat on comms one time.
1 Kings 12:11
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1938
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:33:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Exactly, if I commented about how I would really enjoy some unfortunate end to the cadre running null sec and that control the future direction of Eve, not only would I be banned from the forums, I would be perma-banned from the game.
Is that a footstep on the stairs I hear?
They're coming to get you, Barbara.
Point Blank Alliance [DAKKA] is currently recruiting corporations to join in our lowsec piracy operations. For more information, please add the in game channel 'weflyrifters' or speak to a DAKKA member today. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1938
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:35:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
We must have a chat on comms one time.
Fat chance of that. Dinsdale knows better than to provide you all that you need for your black-bagger friends to conduct a voice print analysis identification of him IRL.
Point Blank Alliance [DAKKA] is currently recruiting corporations to join in our lowsec piracy operations. For more information, please add the in game channel 'weflyrifters' or speak to a DAKKA member today. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1667
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:35:00 -
[226] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Exactly, if I commented about how I would really enjoy some unfortunate end to the cadre running null sec and that control the future direction of Eve, not only would I be banned from the forums, I would be perma-banned from the game.
Because in your case it would seem to be serious, even if hyperbolic or done in a jocular manner. In malcanis's case it was obviously done sarcastically in that he believes quite the opposite, evidenced by the quote in that very post where he lays out a detailed vision for the, so-called, hisec denizens.
There is no double-standard, just a single standard that functions for people who can understand context and follow the flow of a conversation.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS
Harmonic Convergence
92
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:35:00 -
[227] - Quote
Mal, did you ever come up with any ideas for limited PVP that don't involved deadspace in the hi-sec areas? |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS
Harmonic Convergence
92
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:37:00 -
[228] - Quote
Also, I'm really glad I hopped into this conversation, it's been very interesting and enlightening on several fronts. |
Tricus
Perkone
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:43:00 -
[229] - Quote
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Only people that deserve to play eve will be allowed to continue.
Exactly how far up your own ass did you stuff your head. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17344
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:44:00 -
[230] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Exactly, if I commented about how I would really enjoy some unfortunate end to the cadre running null sec and that control the future direction of Eve, not only would I be banned from the forums, I would be perma-banned from the game. Seeing as how your incessant abuse and suggestions about the real-world state of your fellow players haven't gotten you banned yet, what makes you think anything of the kind?
Then again, if you said it, people might actually believe it given the kind of rants you've been on where you can't separate real world from fantasyGǪ so maybe you're right, but not for the reason you suggest.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
12331
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:48:00 -
[231] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:Mal, did you ever come up with any ideas for limited PVP that don't involved deadspace in the hi-sec areas?
No that kind of thing is really difficult and I'm not that creative.
1 Kings 12:11
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1476
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:52:00 -
[232] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And given the outcry over CCP awox'ing 2000 plus high sec players last week, then gleefully broadcasting the carnage on screens at the party upstairs, what do you think what will happen when your version of Eve is implemented? (And yes, you and the other null sec cartel members have won, with the Ayn Rand disciple CCP Seagull rushing headlong in creating your dystopian version of Eve high sec). Does CCP believe that it will easily replace the 30 or 40% of its sub base that will quit, or have you convinced the CCP decision-makers that the sheep will just meekly accept the wrecking of high sec, and the damage to the existing base will be minimal, and far offset by an influx of more sociopaths drawn to the game? I persuaded them to offer hi-sec players a 90% discount for attending fanfest. Once they're all crowded into the main hall, the doors close and and the gas cannisters begin to seep. Soon after, the Icelandic population, long since starved for good meat, and sick to death of eating cod, flock to buy choice cuts of "high sec" quality meat from CCP. The money is used to buy reinforced nodes for the staging systems of every nullsec alliance. I sleep well: the problem of EVE is finally solved. Comments like this, by anyone else but a CSM member, would get the poster banned. But since you are CSM, and untouchable, carry on. We must have a chat on comms one time.
Sorry Malcanis.
We have had our email chats.
I just don't see the point.
Yes, you can be quite reasonable at times, and were a great help with getting those Bastion skills sorted on Sisi.
But overall, you and I view the game though a vastly different set of lens.
I have lived in null, done PVE in null, fought wars in null.
I have lived in wh's, done PvE in wh's, fought battles in wh's.
I still cruise around in low sec (hi to the gatecamper's in Fensi, while I bookmark safes for incursion runners who might want to brave the low sec pipe to the island).
And I have come back to high sec, again and again.
It is simply the the most enjoyable way to play the game for me, even after all the attacks your group has done to it, and I am far from alone in that sentiment. And when your group finally gets your way and destroys high sec, then I, and far more people than CCP would like to believe, will simply move on to something else.
The null sec cartels are still a couple more iterations away from gaining complete control of high sec, maybe not until May 2015. Hopefully, by that time, Star Citizen, or some other game, will be stable, and welcoming of the people that want to enjoy a game without ruining someone else's fun.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning.
The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17344
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:55:00 -
[233] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:It is simply the the most enjoyable way to play the game for me, even after all the attacks your group has done to it, and I am far from alone in that sentiment. And when your group finally gets your way and destroys high sec, then I, and far more people than CCP would like to believe, will simply move on to something else.
The null sec cartels are still a couple more iterations away from gaining complete control of high sec
Do you have any actual examples of any of the above really happening?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
18
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:56:00 -
[234] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Does CCP believe that it will easily replace the 30 or 40% of its sub base that will quit, or have you convinced the CCP decision-makers that the sheep will just meekly accept the wrecking of high sec, and the damage to the existing base will be minimal, and far offset by an influx of more sociopaths drawn to the game?
Ah - the good old, "If you don't like what I like, you're some kind of socipath!"
I'm curious: Have you fulfilled any of the requisite training and licensing (whatever that may be in your area) that would actually permit you to render any such diagnosis of mental welfare of another person? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
12333
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Posted - 2013.11.11 22:14:00 -
[235] - Quote
Dinsdale rarely fails to make me feel ashamed and guilty that I will never be even 1% of the devious, dedicated, endlessly resourceful plotter that he has such unshakable faith that I am.
I love EVE, but I will never love it even remotely enough to justify his regard.
1 Kings 12:11
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4818
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Posted - 2013.11.11 22:21:00 -
[236] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale rarely fails to make me feel ashamed and guilty that I will never be even 1% of the devious, dedicated, endlessly resourceful plotter that he has such unshakable faith that I am.
I love EVE, but I will never love it even remotely enough to justify his PARANOID DELUSIONS..
I took the liberty of being less kind, yet perhaps more accurate, than you.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1669
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Posted - 2013.11.11 22:21:00 -
[237] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale rarely fails to make me feel ashamed and guilty that I will never be even 1% of the devious, dedicated, endlessly resourceful plotter that he has such unshakable faith that I am.
I love EVE, but I will never love it even remotely enough to justify his regard.
Yeah, I grew out of conspiracies in my early teens when i realized people just weren't that smart; and if they actually were, you would never catch them.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2483
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:I have another answer.
Because CCP chooses to not develop anything beyond ship to ship PvP, an activity which is barred to me for certain reasons beyond my control. So your answers is something that doesn't actually gel with reality.  .
Creation and destruction of assets through ship to ship PvP, does that sound as a better description of the core mechanic?
Now let's say that adrenaline rushes made you suicidal, would you voluntarily engage in EVE's heart-pumping PvP?
Now let's say you still want to play the game in a more relaxed but equally challenging way...
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1670
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:30:00 -
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Play one of the tens of thousands more suitable games.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17345
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:30:00 -
[240] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Creation and destruction of assets through ship to ship PvP, does that sound as a better description of the core mechanic?
Now let's say that adrenaline rushes made you suicidal, would you voluntarily engage in EVE's heart-pumping PvP?
Now let's say you still want to play the game in a more relaxed but equally challenging way...
GǪthen you're moving then goalposts from Gǣnothing beyond ship to ship PvPGǥ, and as it happens, CCP has developed quite a bit of content beyond that.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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