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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4490
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Posted - 2013.11.10 02:34:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:By leading the lemmings/sheep to slaughter, CCP has shown that it cares not for highseccers anymore.
By giving highsec gankers new mobile depots to refit in, CCP shows that it cares not for highseccers 'safety' anymore.
By letting anyone place POCOs in highsec, CCP shows that it cares not for highseccer easy money anymore.
Clearly this shows that CCP is getting ready to Nerf highsec.
Finally. What I have been saying for years. CCP plans on trashing its subscription base on the gamble that they will retain enough of its existing base and at the same time attract every sociopath not playing Eve already. It will be a disaster of course, but I will enjoy watching CCP go down in flames.
PSSSSSSTTTT!
Don't reveal those CCP stakeholders secret plans for Star Citizen!  |

Evei Shard
Shard Industries
241
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Posted - 2013.11.10 02:37:00 -
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I think CCP's moving too slowly with Rubicon. They need to simply strip high-sec of it's safety, and convert it all to new NPC-null space.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1412
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Posted - 2013.11.10 02:38:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:By leading the lemmings/sheep to slaughter, CCP has shown that it cares not for highseccers anymore.
By giving highsec gankers new mobile depots to refit in, CCP shows that it cares not for highseccers 'safety' anymore.
By letting anyone place POCOs in highsec, CCP shows that it cares not for highseccer easy money anymore.
Clearly this shows that CCP is getting ready to Nerf highsec.
Finally. What I have been saying for years. CCP plans on trashing its subscription base on the gamble that they will retain enough of its existing base and at the same time attract every sociopath not playing Eve already. It will be a disaster of course, but I will enjoy watching CCP go down in flames. PSSSSSSTTTT! Don't reveal those CCP stakeholders secret plans for Star Citizen! 
The easiest way to make sure that EVE lives and Star Citizen dies is for a bunch of EVE players to start playing it. |

Anomaly One
Hedion University Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2013.11.10 02:53:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
The easiest way to make sure that EVE lives and Star Citizen thrives is for a bunch of EVE players to start playing it.
I have more "faith" with the maker of freelancer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqJ6n8iuwTk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y2cKSUNkVA |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1450
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Posted - 2013.11.10 02:54:00 -
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For all you clowns salivating for the day that CCP wipes out high sec (which is coming), I direct you to the thread in the Live Events forum, which details the reaction of high sec players to the null sec world.
It also demonstrates far more eloquently than any words what CCP thinks about its high sec subscribers.
If there are any accountants of CCP that read these forums, you had best take a cold hard look at the reactions of the high sec players in the Live Events thread, while you continue to allow the Ayn Rand fanatics run around at CCP blowing up the game. |

Mr Pragmatic
703
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Posted - 2013.11.10 05:08:00 -
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"Stop enjoying things I don't" thread number 1000034343. |

adarma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2013.11.10 05:22:00 -
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Checks thesaurus for the meaning of "highseccers"
Ah, you mean "null, low and pirate alts"  |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15577
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Posted - 2013.11.10 06:51:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Silvetica Dian wrote:Only people that deserve to play eve will be allowed to continue. Enjoy playing by yourself. Probably already does that in the basement of mommy's house.
Oh right, you meant within the game. Well, probably already does that too, while being alone in the basement of mommy's house.
DMC |

Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
812
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Posted - 2013.11.10 06:55:00 -
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Krimishkev wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:People's hatred of high will result in the death of the game they love.
Seriously, why so mad of other people's playstyle.
Its just like a person saying they want to bring concord to null. It's that ridiculous.
If you want people to come to lnull and low, why don't you take the time to invite them into your corp and actually take them out ot low and null. Being hot and bothered because you can't shoot them in high-sec just makes you look petty. I would counter with the concept that, highsec was never intended to be as safe as it is right now, and after constant knee jerk safety buffs at the behest of the exceptionally whiny highsec carebear playerbase it has grown into something out of control, and needs to be pruned down back into balance with the rest of space. So, I don't see as being mad at someone else's playstyle on the part of everyone who doesn't cling to highsec. I see it as being mad that highsec won't stop asking for buffs to safety, over and over and over again, despite the fact that they are safer now than they have ever been, or have ever deserved to be. So it's time to take a little of that back, so the whiny bastards have to something to actually complain about. I hope you're and alt of someone who's actually played the game since beta... otherwise this opinion in the scope of your eve experience context means nothing.
Just wanted to toss this out, as someone who has played since beta. Highsec has steadily gotten safer and safer and safer. Early EVE didn't have NPC protection for players, it was added in after *gasp* whinging and complaints from people unable to defend themselves. |

Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
112
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Posted - 2013.11.10 07:28:00 -
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High-sec should be smaller but with greatly increased player-owned structure accessibility.
IMO, it's much too early for high-sec POCOs. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1457
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Posted - 2013.11.10 07:31:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Krimishkev wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:People's hatred of high will result in the death of the game they love.
Seriously, why so mad of other people's playstyle.
Its just like a person saying they want to bring concord to null. It's that ridiculous.
If you want people to come to lnull and low, why don't you take the time to invite them into your corp and actually take them out ot low and null. Being hot and bothered because you can't shoot them in high-sec just makes you look petty. I would counter with the concept that, highsec was never intended to be as safe as it is right now, and after constant knee jerk safety buffs at the behest of the exceptionally whiny highsec carebear playerbase it has grown into something out of control, and needs to be pruned down back into balance with the rest of space. So, I don't see as being mad at someone else's playstyle on the part of everyone who doesn't cling to highsec. I see it as being mad that highsec won't stop asking for buffs to safety, over and over and over again, despite the fact that they are safer now than they have ever been, or have ever deserved to be. So it's time to take a little of that back, so the whiny bastards have to something to actually complain about. I hope you're and alt of someone who's actually played the game since beta... otherwise this opinion in the scope of your eve experience context means nothing. Just wanted to toss this out, as someone who has played since beta. Highsec has steadily gotten safer and safer and safer. Early EVE didn't have NPC protection for players, it was added in after *gasp* whinging and complaints from people unable to defend themselves.
Wow.....Just wow. Either you are totally delusional about the eroding safety of high sec. or a troll. Not sure which one. Either way, please step away from the keyboard.
All rational people accept on general principle that CCP has made high sec far more dangerous, in incremental steps, over the past few years, as they have hired more and more devs from null sec.
The attack on high sec players by CCP employees in the Live Events 3 days ago proves how much the CCP employee base hates high sec, and how delusional you are, or how extensive you lie is, take your pick. |

Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
112
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Posted - 2013.11.10 07:40:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Just wanted to toss this out, as someone who has played since beta. Highsec has steadily gotten safer and safer and safer. Early EVE didn't have NPC protection for players, it was added in after *gasp* whinging and complaints from people unable to defend themselves. Because there are players that want the dependable NPC protection because an effective player-based protection for players on unstable schedules does not and will not ever exist. |

masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
1332
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Posted - 2013.11.10 07:58:00 -
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Xavier Higdon wrote:I would love to see more player driven content. Make all of space less cozy by penalizing blobs, getting rid of reinforcement timers, removing local from all non-empire systems, getting rid of structures automatically alerting whole groups that they're under attack. These things are completely ridiculous. EVE isn't supposed to be a game where your hand is held, you're supposed to fend for yourself. It's time we force people to play the game, instead of having the game play itself. Why should the game alert you every time an enemy enters a system, or takes a potshot against a structure you haven't actually seen in 6 months, or stop an attack because you can't be bothered to patrol? The game even does the patrolling for you by magically broadcasting that something is under attack. Oh, you were whining about the "other guys" having it too easy? My bad. Yea, I can live with hisec being more dangerous as long as the changes I just mentioned are implemented as well.
I have always believed that timers of all types on structures should be removed. If you can't defend your assets in any time zone, then you don't get to keep them. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1417
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:26:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Just wanted to toss this out, as someone who has played since beta. Highsec has steadily gotten safer and safer and safer. Early EVE didn't have NPC protection for players, it was added in after *gasp* whinging and complaints from people unable to defend themselves.
Wow.....Just wow. Either you are totally delusional about the eroding safety of high sec. or a troll. Not sure which one. Either way, please step away from the keyboard. All rational people accept on general principle that CCP has made high sec far more dangerous, in incremental steps, over the past few years, as they have hired more and more devs from null sec. The attack on high sec players by CCP employees in the Live Events 3 days ago proves how much the CCP employee base hates high sec, and how delusional you are, or how extensive you lie is, take your pick.
The "past few years"? Rofl.
New Crimewatch. Eliminates can flipping, and adds safeties. Between that and the barge buffs, that's actually one of the biggest buffs to highsec safety in recent memory.
And enough is enough. Time to scale some of that back. |

Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
112
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:49:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The "past few years"? Rofl.
New Crimewatch. Eliminates can flipping, and adds safeties. Between that and the barge buffs, that's actually one of the biggest buffs to highsec safety in recent memory.
And enough is enough. Time to scale some of that back. No. Because that makes no sense. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1418
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:50:00 -
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Hypercake Mix wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The "past few years"? Rofl.
New Crimewatch. Eliminates can flipping, and adds safeties. Between that and the barge buffs, that's actually one of the biggest buffs to highsec safety in recent memory.
And enough is enough. Time to scale some of that back. No. Because that makes no sense.
Oh? Please elaborate. |

ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
315
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:57:00 -
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Bucket add on modules for POS and POCOS for the tears |

Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
112
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Posted - 2013.11.10 09:09:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Hypercake Mix wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The "past few years"? Rofl.
New Crimewatch. Eliminates can flipping, and adds safeties. Between that and the barge buffs, that's actually one of the biggest buffs to highsec safety in recent memory.
And enough is enough. Time to scale some of that back. No. Because that makes no sense. Oh? Please elaborate. Safeties got rid of those "Are you sure" pop-ups. Idk about you but I'm glad that's gone. Barges needed to be scaled up to compensate for rising DPS numbers and all six of them needed to be usable. I guess they could be scaled back so people that are actually classified as ******** could just roll their face on the keyboard to gank miners. I personally like the added challenge. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1533
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Posted - 2013.11.10 09:38:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote:I think CCP's moving too slowly with Rubicon. They need to simply strip high-sec of it's safety, and convert it all to new NPC-null space.
Why? |

Arisidana
Amadari Traders
1
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Posted - 2013.11.10 09:43:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Evei Shard wrote:I think CCP's moving too slowly with Rubicon. They need to simply strip high-sec of it's safety, and convert it all to new NPC-null space.
Why?
Ever heard of sarcasm? Learn to detect it. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1533
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Posted - 2013.11.10 09:47:00 -
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Arisidana wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Evei Shard wrote:I think CCP's moving too slowly with Rubicon. They need to simply strip high-sec of it's safety, and convert it all to new NPC-null space.
Why? Ever heard of sarcasm? Learn to detect it.
Sorry, I must have missed it in your tone of voice  |

Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
112
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Posted - 2013.11.10 10:35:00 -
[52] - Quote
Arisidana wrote:Ever heard of sarcasm? Learn to detect it. Couldn't detect it either. Not enough emoticons. |

SpaceSaft
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
8
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Posted - 2013.11.10 10:43:00 -
[53] - Quote
Hypercake Mix wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Just wanted to toss this out, as someone who has played since beta. Highsec has steadily gotten safer and safer and safer. Early EVE didn't have NPC protection for players, it was added in after *gasp* whinging and complaints from people unable to defend themselves. Because there are players that want the dependable NPC protection because an effective player-based protection for players on unstable schedules does not and will not ever exist.
All that would be needed would a Concord bonus sponsered bonus on bounties and payout that's not restricted to ship/pod value. With the extension that bounties would have to be claimed differently. There could be individualized drops "bounty vouchers" or a bounty currnecy that would have to be non tradable and only redeemable in highsec and that you would lose on death. Also bounties could only be claimed by people with a sec status of above a certain value that prevents other pirates or alt characters to claim the bounty for the criminal.
That would lead to a bigger incentive to actually killing criminals when they are in high sec, criminals couldn't enter high sec as easily because of that.
It's that easy. Increase the incentive to kill criminals in highsec and players will do it and that will lead to increased high sec security.
CCP would just have to want it. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4490
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:11:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Just wanted to toss this out, as someone who has played since beta. Highsec has steadily gotten safer and safer and safer. Early EVE didn't have NPC protection for players, it was added in after *gasp* whinging and complaints from people unable to defend themselves.
As someone who has played since beta, could you please report how many players were online in prime time?
Because apparently there's a group of people who misses those 5000 online and wants EvE to lose development funds and an empty game on the brink of default again. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1419
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:19:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Just wanted to toss this out, as someone who has played since beta. Highsec has steadily gotten safer and safer and safer. Early EVE didn't have NPC protection for players, it was added in after *gasp* whinging and complaints from people unable to defend themselves.
As someone who has played since beta, could you please report how many players were online in prime time? Because apparently there's a group of people who misses those 5000 online and wants EvE to lose development funds and an empty game on the brink of default again.
You are implying that the ever increasing safety of highsec has resulted in the increased size of the playerbase?
Correlation does not imply causation. Especially in this case. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14544
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:40:00 -
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Hypercake Mix wrote:Barges needed to be scaled up to compensate for rising DPS numbers and all six of them needed to be usable. Horseshit, barges and exhumers got buffed because people couldn't be arsed to actually tank them and whined about them exploding, incidentally the same people still neglect to fit a tank, and still whine when they explode. It was possible prebuff to make one unprofitable to gank prebuff, just as it is now.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17321
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:00:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Wow.....Just wow. Either you are totally delusional about the eroding safety of high sec. or a troll. Not sure which one. Either way, please step away from the keyboard. You're talking about yourself there.
He's entirely right: the safety of highsec has only ever moved in one direction GÇö towards more safety. Every change that has had a potential of making it less safe has been accompanied by another change that nullifies it.
You keep spouting the same ignorant and ill-informed nonsense based on nothing but failed recollections of the past, and you can never actually point towards anything that even remotely resembles the fantasy you've erected about where the game is going. Meanwhile, in the real world, it's trivial to point to all the changes that have made highsec far too safe over the years, especially in the time that has passed since you started. |

Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
278
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:08:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Hypercake Mix wrote:Barges needed to be scaled up to compensate for rising DPS numbers and all six of them needed to be usable. Horseshit, barges and exhumers got buffed because people couldn't be arsed to actually tank them and whined about them exploding, incidentally the same people still neglect to fit a tank, and still whine when they explode. It was possible prebuff to make one unprofitable to gank prebuff, just as it is now.
the retriever wasn't capable of tanking a single catalyst in 0.5 space, prior to the first round of rebalancing. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17321
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:12:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Hypercake Mix wrote:Barges needed to be scaled up to compensate for rising DPS numbers and all six of them needed to be usable. Horseshit, barges and exhumers got buffed because people couldn't be arsed to actually tank them and whined about them exploding, incidentally the same people still neglect to fit a tank, and still whine when they explode. It was possible prebuff to make one unprofitable to gank prebuff, just as it is now. the retriever wasn't capable of tanking a single catalyst in 0.5 space, prior to the first round of rebalancing. Sure it was, because prior to the first round of rebalancing, the Catalyst was about as dangerous as a pile of silk handkerchiefs. |

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
513
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:17:00 -
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A good start would be to turn over control of all NPC corps plus assets (including stations) to Player Owned corps and alliances. Interbus for example could then exact revenge over those people who on the 19th are going to be shooting their customs's offices. |
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