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teh pR3acH3r
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Posted - 2003.09.01 22:08:00 -
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So there is a clear intention of one of the sides to make Venal 'tollgate free'?
There are no specifics that I am aware of at this time. The only thing specific we know will happen is that once Venal has been secured, previous policy will be a thing of the past.
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Former CEO Occassus Republica - Military Division Leader
Founding members of the Venal Alliance
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2003.09.01 22:16:00 -
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"The comments withing are soley my own and do not officialy hold any baring on the feeling of the KIA Corp of the New Venal alliance."
Well due to internet problems and work commitments i have missed the past couple of days and i just cannot believe to out and out trechary from TTI.
in fighting this war FOR them i have lost 2 Blackbirds in fleet actions and i have had to scrimp and save (even loan) money to buy a new ship in both cases, i am appalled by the actions of ragnar and the fact that during the campaign, NOT ONE word of thanks was seen (by me at any rate) for the brave pilots who stood and fought for their safty.
well they have cast their lot in with mega, hmmm, it appears thet they like enemies as they will now be hated by virtually every free soul in the eve universe, i personally cannot wait for retribution to be served. remember "revenge is a dish that is best served cold" well mine (and probably many NVA pilots) will be served at absolute zero.
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Just on a side, i have never served in any game with a group of players more focused than the KIA, yes we suffered heavy casualties, but we were always present in EVERY engagement during the invasion, and as far as i know we never got a penny from TTI. Well TTI can burn with whoever they side with.
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2003.09.01 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: KIAPieman on 01/09/2003 22:34:07
oops 1
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2003.09.01 22:17:00 -
[154]
Edited by: KIAPieman on 01/09/2003 22:36:06
as you can see my internet woes continue 
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2003.09.01 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: KIAInkZ on 01/09/2003 22:23:28
KIA are saddened by this whole affair.
When we joined Venal we had very little PvP experience. Now I think personally I've encounted just about every different combat scenario within two weeks.
We put our lives on the line for TTI, and lost a lot fighting 'their' war.
Now they repay us by declaring war on us, thanks a lot TTI.
I've a great deal of respect for peeps in the allience, that unfortunately I won't get to fly wing with again.
These include Tehel, Mark A, Algazara and Indego and many others. I had the honour of flying with these pilots first hand, and seeing seasoned commanders push a ship to it's limits.
The thing that upsets me most about this whole affair is that 'real' friends will be lost, and it's heartbreaking to see them turn on each other.
I've a great deal of respect for a lot of pilots out there, and regrettably KIA have been forced to take sides, unavoidably loosing valuable allies whatever we decide.
I'm sure I don't just speak for myself when I say I will be loosing friends, and not just allies.
The whole situation is regrettable, but we are left with no choice but to defend ourselves against the pain that has been dealt to our corp, and our fellow VA corps.
Whatever the outcome I wish all the pilots luck, and hope that someday peace can be restored in the Venal region.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.09.01 22:20:00 -
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Well, EW boats are perhaps not the most expensive but I'd also be ****ed off if TTI woulden't live up to alliance obligations, in one way or an other.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.09.01 22:23:00 -
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It won't be too long before the alliance takes over the region once again. Give it a week. Two at max.It took EVO 3 days to make TTI run to the region, how long will it take them AND the actual alliance to run them out of there? 
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.01 22:35:00 -
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Drop me a eve-mail KIA, Im sure we can donate some Blackbirds to the cause (in this case the cause being KIA).
I remember how much your corp was struggling before you joined VA and what it cost to go "that route".
Can't say as I applaud it (past tense) but I swear half your blackbirds came out of our factories on the lonetrek market anyway.
Probably isnt much, but i'll stick three fresh ones to the side for you. (No charge and i'll even throw in some free dip!)
I'd ask you to make sure you know which enemy to point them at but, somehow, I doubt you have any problems identifying the most suitable targets atm.
Solid offer - ill start them building tomorrow, i think y'all know where to pick them up.
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2003.09.01 22:44:00 -
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Drop me a eve-mail KIA, Im sure we can donate some Blackbirds to the cause (in this case the cause being KIA).
your kindess is much apreciated, but unfortunatly i wont be able to take you up on this offer at this moment in time, it is far too unsafe for any KIA pilot to travel alone at this moment in time, but your kindness unfortunatly is a flickering candle in a sky of black, if only more people could be this generous then this place would be filled with light, if your ever in need of a pair of hands i can donate 2, its not much but at the moment its all i can spare 
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.01 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ulstan on 01/09/2003 22:56:21
"I find it strange that SI, a corporation all of whose members I have great respect for without exception, will soon (if not already) be fighting side-by-side with M3G4. No matter what the cause is, I find that both distasteful and strange. Far better that you would agree mutual NAP between us and TTi than that."
As I said, our CEO has not been on all weekend, nor several of the senior corp members, so things are still a bit up in the air :)
Right now some things are being left to the personal call of the pilot.
But once the alliance was breached in the regretable fashion it was (and there was no real way we could stop it) we really couldn't remain in the section that was allying itself with Evolution and CoC. We pretty much had to split with them, and each pilot survive as best he could in the chaotic situation that is Venal right now :)
Personally, I'm not gunning for any old VA members, and am not planning to shoot them unless shot at first. It kind of goes against my grain to start shooting down people that I was fighting side by side with a while ago :D I'd esp hate to shoot down any KIA guys - I was impressed with how they were putting everything they had into the fight, new as they were. :) I wouldn't want to add to the losses they already suffered while they are down.
I think, but am not sure, that EVOL and co are still out to get SI so it's not as though I don't have things to fight :)
But I was greatly surprised to log on today and find Y-4 full to the brim of cornexant and M3g4. I thought I'd logged on the wrong character for a moment.
And Athule : maybe there are logs I have not seen (I've read a couple different ones, but there seem to be a lot floating around) but it seemed pretty definite to me that SI was being required by EVOL to give up pirating and stuff.
I've heard from some people (though unconfirmed) that we were going to have to change our name to Space Miners :) I personally think that would be funny as hell though :)
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Description: So powerful, the asteroids wish we were a myth.
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2003.09.01 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: KIAHicks on 01/09/2003 22:55:18
Morkt Drak: Thank you for your offer. I will pass the word on to our CEO in the morning. I'm sure those KIA pilots that lost their vessels in the resent fighting and have been unable to replace them will greatly appreciate this generous offer.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.01 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: Athule Snanm on 01/09/2003 23:43:54
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And Athule : maybe there are logs I have not seen (I've read a couple different ones, but there seem to be a lot floating around) but it seemed pretty definite to me that SI was being required by EVOL to give up pirating and stuff.
The full logs should be released at some point soon, but these were some of the sentiments of the corps that TTi has declared war on:
[ 2003.08.31 20:34:57 ] KIAEddZ > Piracy
[ 2003.08.31 20:35:04 ] KIAEddZ > Is core to this game. and core to VA
[ 2003.08.31 20:35:19 ] KIAEddZ > and we are a non pirate corp :)
[ 2003.08.31 20:35:30 ] dezmOn > !
[ 2003.08.31 20:35:41 ] KIAEddZ > I will not agree to anything less than being able to pirate in Venal and PB as much as we see firt
[ 2003.08.31 20:35:57 ] Proto > hey hey
[ 2003.08.31 20:35:57 ] KIAEddZ > if this isnt agreed, then KIA will not agree to the nap.
Of course KIA is now the enemy of SI.
[ 2003.08.31 20:48:01 ] Athule Snanm > Basically I think that any agreement that significantly impacts on a large proportion of VA members is unacceptable as it negates the whole point of an alliance
[ 2003.08.31 20:48:49 ] Athule Snanm > Having said that I feel the dropping of piracy is just semantics - probably, I would like to see clarification of exactly what that means from fountain
[ 2003.08.31 20:49:22 ] Jade Constantine > !
[ 2003.08.31 20:49:35 ] Athule Snanm > If it is just a play on words then I see it as a non-issue, if it isn't then I don;t see how we can agree and maintain the integrity of the alliance
Of course I and my corp is now the enemy of SI.
And here we see an example of TTi generosity (jimmychopps was Ragnar's official rep):
[ 2003.08.31 21:09:14 ] jimmychopps > any who wish to partcipate can be put into a combat ready cruiser in about 2 days
i.e. 2 days of slavery down the mines for alliance members.
I hope that the full logs will be made available soon (as was agreed at the end of this meeting), do not think that these quotes are unrepresentative.
Edit: I should point out that things have changed in the last day and that the New VA is not constrained by the opinions expressed in the context of a different membership.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.09.01 23:47:00 -
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I was in Obe earlier...docked at a station and lo and behold! it was full of m3g4
No change there then...
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Umpa Lumpa
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Posted - 2003.09.01 23:54:00 -
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Any idea to when the great war against TTI will happen, and more than likley where?
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Leellu Multipass
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Posted - 2003.09.02 00:10:00 -
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pfft
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.02 00:14:00 -
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Ah, thanks for the snippets Athule. It looks like something could possibly have worked out, if some cooler heads were distributed around here and there :)
Although I'm not sure what the decision was at the first vote with regards to piracey, after the 2nd, we really didn't have a choice - we had to vote to leave.
Note that I don't really feel the situation was handled as well as it could have been, all things considered :)
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2003.09.02 00:48:00 -
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I am sorry but I have to laugh at some of the statements as regards KIA. Have some free ships poor lads your so brave ect. Please remember KIA are a bunch of gate camping pirates as well. The difference is they did it because they were told to do it by VA.
They camped gates with TTI and S.I. in the pure blind region. Yes they might be very dedicated to there jobs but morally it was wrong.
And before I get flamed there are morals in rpgs. Peoples perceptions of right and wrong apply to eve as well. I like the kia guys they used to be good guys. I went mining with them in the pureblind area and hunted with some of them in the lonetrek region but after they joined VA this changed some of there members left because of there desision to join Venal.
I think at this point KIA should try make ammends first before they are forgiven for there own actions...they could have said no to begin with but as the saying goes...
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutly.
(these are my views and do not represent the views of my corp)
Ps: I do hope someday that you guys will make ammends for your pirate behaviour and then maybe the corps that lost ships to you gate camping might see it to forgive you.
" Stay Frosty "
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.09.02 01:01:00 -
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Edited by: The Wretch on 02/09/2003 01:01:57
"Doh! Forgot to add that our CEO has been AWOL all weekend doing some damn fishing or other :P So he certainly hasn't been busy making secret plots with TTi to lord it over Venal. I don't think we'd even *want* to be in charge of a region like that."
I believe if Setec could of attended yesterdays council meeting then things would be very different from how they are now.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.02 01:30:00 -
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Wretch: I tend to agree.
And anyone who tries to tell me that pirating in EVE is morally wrong gets a carebear award. 
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.02 02:14:00 -
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I had a question about the Venal Alliance. Was there any agreement put down in writing as to what corporations were expected to do? I see alot of people claiming to "do everything" or other corps not "living up to obligations" and I was wondering what those obligations were?
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Kuole Zhilarsk
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Posted - 2003.09.02 02:15:00 -
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Referring to Planetarion (however crap the game might be) is correct. That game's alliances were like dogs barking at eachother non-stop. The less vocal people were usually the most dangerous (in my experience anyway).
In many ways, the current situation mimics the early alliance days. I can only hope it'll be as amusing as the latter day politics, where people were much more bitter and hardened.
On a sidenote, Xanadu has the political experience needed to succesfully bite its way through most situations.
Kudos there 
I for one hope Eve doesn't turn to latter day Planetarion politics. They got hollow and stale quickly. As soon as the Fury/Xanadu war was over Planetarion was supposed to start afresh on the political scene, but it just seemed to be a repeat wash of "kill the superpower alliance" (Fury at the time). Hopefully Eve will be more flowing for politics and not have things ingrained like it became in Planetarion.
I for one am finding this highly amusing. What TTI have done is just laughable for a major corp which is why I asked them for an official comment as to why they did it and how does it benefit their corporate policy.
You are right though in comparing to the early days of Planetarion. I see the Evo/Xan vs TTI (FA vs VA) as something akin to the Fury/Legion vs Tuba. PA ppl might spot the simmiliarities.
But this isnt PA. However, the PA experience greatly helps in the political arena and Xanadu ccompeted in the top level of PA politics against the likes of Fury and Deus.
This is so exciting. Almost like being reborn.
Good luck TTI, you'll need it for the coming weeks if my cross reference to Tuba pans out exactly.
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.02 02:28:00 -
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It has become that way already. Look at the months of posts from people obsessed with TTI and the other megacorps. This is sadly panning out just like Planetarion and will end the same I'm sad to say.
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M0RPHEUS
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Posted - 2003.09.02 02:28:00 -
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TTI are unorganized, and they dont have any loyalties to anyone but themselves. Its not an insult, rather a thing they should look at for this to be ANY fun for the players. Remember, this is a G A M E...anyways, good luck TTI, some people like Tehel and Calladen are the reason i wont run from a fight. Tehel, even though you dont think too highly of me, i do respect you, and some of the folk i enjoyed playing with before i left. Good luck, dont let any pods go. The way of samurai
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.09.02 02:30:00 -
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From what u guys say about Planetron (?), i dont agree with you - there is a super power that noone has beaten yet, and probably wont beat for a while - Stain Alliance. Stain is the strongest of all the alliances and it has been there before ark got moved out of empire space.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.02 02:57:00 -
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Priestess, do not try to devalue or belittle the anger at TTI and Ragnar for what has been done in Venal. This is not an act of bored obsessives looking for a whipping boy, but of betrayed alliance partners united in fury, and a woman fighting in self defense against a power that would see her murdered twenty times over for the pleasure of an insane tyrant.
If I want Taggart uttterly destroyed and scattered like windblown dust Priestess I shall plead self defense in the court of public opinion.
Ragnar made this personal, a matter of him or me.
Love and peace (and the charred remnants of the tyrant)
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.02 03:03:00 -
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Jade, I speak of all the anger that came before you. Ask yourself is it justified given the scope of the actions they committed or was it unjustified? Yes they are the whipping boy for everyone which in a way is a shame because there are probably good people there. I must admit I wouldve quit already if I had been subject to the months of this flamefest they have been. People need to take a serious look at their own actions before they talk like this about anyone.
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Yoshokun
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Posted - 2003.09.02 03:06:00 -
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Edited by: Yoshokun on 02/09/2003 03:22:34
Being an arm-chair philosopher myself, I find the progression of this thread quite fascinating. It is certainly something to ponder on for those who want to see the darker aspects of human behavior, especially those of betrayal, power politics and the interaction of personalities of groups, in action. This whole thing, to me, is a lunchbox sized microcosm of the life people live out every day, with only simpler and more epic. ThatÆs why this game is great.
I have been in Taggart Transdimensional since October 2002. Those of you who were in the beta might remember a little EVE-wide conflict that was occurring during that timeà a little something about TTI having spies in every company in EVE and all the ômajorö companies of EVE insta-declaring war upon her. Eventually vindicated of the charges, (The claims were simply made up to make a forum war so that certain persons could increase their celebrity in EVEà which, oddly enough, sounds a lot like a certain Gallente I know.) that event is what started TTI on the road to become the ômega-companyö it is today. Publicity, good or bad, is publicity. Just ask Jade.
Ever since the Endless War, someone has always had its crosshairs on TTI. We are quite the prize, apparently. Who can take down TTI? Who can kill the company that has seven pages to itself in the official EVE Strategy Guide? Who can kill the ôMicrosoftö of EVE? (We find that one quite funny over on our end of things, just FYI.) Who can fight their way up the economic food chain? These are all things you players deal with in real life. That raise, that bonus, better hours, better title, nicer resume/CVà and here you are again, paying $12.95 a month for the honor of living it out on an epic scale, and you still canÆt win. Frustrating, eh?
Sorry about potentially insulting people, but it had to be said. Anyway, to save more flames I will stifle the comparisons of real life political history and TTIÆs history and ideas of which country TTI would be in real life for you, the dear reader, to make on your own.
My point in all of this? Taggart has lived with a siege mentality ever since it was only a dozen Ayn Rand readers who got together to make a non-Communist company in EVE (a rarity in those days). Claims that the War for Venal is destroying TTIÆs member base are, on the whole, incorrect. Claims that TTI Executives are leaving because of the methods and politics of this conflict are completely false and strictly dreamed up propaganda. I will not speak for Calladen, for he has already spoken, but I can speak for myself. I am leaving EVE because I am joining the United States Air Force. I am sad to say that they do not allow you to play computer games at basic training, for all of you other Airmen-in-wait.
I am very proud and confident in saying that I love TTI almost as much as I love my country.
Am I going to attack anyone in my only post on this already too long thread? Yes, but only Jade. For those who so willingly support her, please read back to her posts back about the Venal Alliance when she was the unofficial spokeschick before you start coming to conclusions and taking sides. For those companies who TTI has no issues with that support her in words, at least try to understand who are you are supporting. IÆm sure there are lots of reasons not to like TTI that make perfect sense in your minds (right or wrong), but the ôenemy of my enemy is my friendö mentality does not always work. Especially when theyÆre allied with Evolution.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.09.02 03:12:00 -
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ragnar prepared to give a speech to his troops:
(After quoting all the boring bits from winston churchills speach that i cant be arsed to remember/google he got to this bit)..
men we shall fight them in the roid fields, and around the moons...
we shall fight them at the gates and around the stations...
we shall never surren..... actually bugger this for a game of soldiers we'll just make BIG ass forum posts until everyone falls asleep and/or dies of old age...
OMG YAWN KILL STUFF ALREADY!
Stav
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.02 03:14:00 -
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Yoshukun, This is a good post but again we see the arrogance of TTI. Certainly much of this hatred is unjustified (attack the biggest) but you continue to stoke the fires of anger by being mightier then thou. A little humility goes a long way toward winning allies (or at least making peace). Maybe you should try it?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.02 03:26:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 02/09/2003 03:28:27
Yoshokun
[snipped self-satisfied ego stroking]
Errrmm, so monsieur TTI did I imagine Ragnar's little tantrum yesterday and his lunatic war declaration against half of VA. Am I imagining the 20 fold assassination contract perhaps?
To pay overmuch mind to your ponderous conclusions one might imagine I'd betrayed myself and sentenced my reflection to multiple murder!
Honestly, I do sometimes wonder if Ragnar is feeding your corp mind control pills.
Love and peace (and death to Ayn Rand!)
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