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DrPRoberts
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Posted - 2003.09.01 08:45:00 -
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Heh interesting speculation josephine.. Oh wait did I say interesting ? Actually it had bull**** stamped all over it everywhere, perhaps simply my prejudices, who knows 
Jade: told ya so :) Glad you're joining those of us who oppose TTi. You will be invaluable to us I am sure. Brilliant writing by the way. Eve would be far the worse without you. 
Once again I am appalled by TTi's actions and words.. I can't find the words so I'll just go build up my forces for anti-tti operations.
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.09.01 08:56:00 -
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.09.01 08:58:00 -
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****** Hussain held a vote on his continued Leadership of the State. The vote was a secret ballot, but votes were monitored, and those that voted agianst him, were taken and assasinated there and then.
It didnt work for him, and it wont work for Ragnar.
Leadership is a journey you invite others to accompany you on, its not a slave wagon that you enforce by death.
TTIs reaction to the vote, was absolutely disgusting.
We asked for TTI to supply us with ships, at 0 price, so we could continue to fight for them against FA, but the best they could offer was BYOM deals, or joining their mineral chain gangs???
So KIA voted NOT for the removal of TTI, but we voted for time, time to rebuild our shattered fleet so we may continue to fight this war FOR TTI.
They reacted with that bs. Well f*** em, they think they are aboive the law, they are about to find out different.
As some may or may not know, they have "employed" the services now of Mega, in a bid to dominate VA space, they have turned on us, and if we had not been so depleted by the war we have been fighting for them, then they would share our pain, as it is, they have a few days, whilst we rebuild our bs and cruiser list, then you will feel what its like to **** off the little guy.
I feel for TTIs members, most are respectful and honourable. But some are greedy beyond what anyone knows. And Ragnar is living in a diff universe.
VA is dead, long live the VA.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:02:00 -
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Edited by: Athule Snanm on 01/09/2003 09:09:47
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Then the fighting broke out, did we ever see Jericho? Yes, this one time Athule came out to lend a pinky finger for 30 minutes. Thanks Athule, it was much appreciated.
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Perhaps you would like to also mention the millions in cash I have given to some of the people who lost ships and or money (even to people I have had no contact with previously - ask Snorri as an example of that category), or maybe the free blueprint copies I've given out (ask Gafton for a recent example of that), or even my repeated offers to replace any ships lost during the war up to cruiser size. Or maybe TTi's stance of 'we don't give handouts' as Ragnar stated is more to your taste as an alliance partner. It is also somewhat difficult to enter a region to attack FA when you're stuck in limbo due to faulty jump gates...
As to us being a 3 man corporation, that is simply not true. Unlike the mammoth 200+ members TTi claim on the basis of retired members - in fact TTi have acknowledged that at most 50 of their pilots are in fact still active - we regularly weed out people who are no longer active in any way and of those that are regularly in space we count about 50% (about 10 members). This puts us at 20% of TTi's size.
The simple fact is that TTi's paranoia led them to believe that an attempt to gain some breathing space was a direct assault on them. Their utter contempt for the concept of an alliance and its democratic council is plainly there for all to see.
The lunacy of their declaration after winning the vote where the VA agreed to not pursue the temporary withdrawl of TTi from the Alliance (something which would have had no effect other than a minor alteration to the corporation slogan) can only be indicative of their corrupt and atheistic tendancies. Dangerous attributes for an Amarrian.
Edit: one last point which perhaps illustrates the short-termism of the atheistic philosophy that has is exemplified by TTi who claim to have been willing to produce ships at BYOM costs. A pilot who had lost his Scorpion battleship had the minerals in Venal. He was informed that he had to take them into Empire Space - a suicide mission during total war. Instead he asked for a single run BP copy (which costs nothing and takes roughly the same length of time to copy as it does to build a battleship). Ragnar refused even this.
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Endyl
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:04:00 -
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Edited by: Endyl on 01/09/2003 09:04:56
When I was young, on Matar planet, I hated the militaries, both Amarr and Minmatar, because they were for me a symbol of the silly wars that scatered my people.
A bunch of guys declare the war, but it's the common people who pay for it in numbers.
I told this to my old father, and he told me this, that made me change my view of the world :
"Those who die in wars wear military outfits, but those who declare them wear 3 pieces Armani costumes and rare silk cravats."
That day my hate changed, and I understood that businessmans and their greed where the true problem of our world, not the militaries who were giving them life on the battlefield for a cause or another as long you told them it was the right one.
Never trust someone wearing a costume.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:05:00 -
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Comment removed. BAD m00cifer! - Orestes, ModSquad
MOOrovingian  "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Rebellion
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:06:00 -
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Edited by: Rebellion on 01/09/2003 09:11:27
Let me aid your conclusions Josephine.
Molle and Ragnar are actually the same person. Did you think that the names being nordic is a mere coincidence?
Homo Erectus is also stavr0s.
As for myself, I am secretly niwaie and you.
Honestly, the speculations are fantastic and interesting, but the schemes are far to elaborate to apply in order to win yet another place to mine. Sanity is aided by a sense of proportion.
In addition, let old spirits rest. TAOSP is a fond memory that we remember. It is our memory to cherish and no one else's. The old boys would have enjoyed this crusade though. I'll tell them stories.
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Josephine
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:07:00 -
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Interesting point about Corps not being able to sustain the loss of a few battleships...how many ships did Evol lose? How many ships did TTi lose? How many ships did the VA lose?
Whos the most potent money making corp in the VA?
Hate it when equations dont add up - how about you Jo?
Ah but Morkt, you assume too much. As Jade pointed out TTI has been reluctant to pay for lost ships of the now former Venal Alliance. This obviously might anger some people, but it also brings forth a valid point within the VA structure itself. There are no legal bindings to such payments, Venal existed solely on the idea of common defense against outsiders to strengthen VA. There is no clause or part in the documentation or structure of VA that states who and how reparations will be payed. As such neither those corps loosing ships and not getting any payment might be angered at the situation, but it doesn't give them any valid claims on said reparations. There is nothing within the VA that states that TTI and others should pay for lost ship of another membercorp. TTI's stance on giving handouts is also wellknown, and all those into things should also know by now that TTI doesn't operate on a centralised account and wallet system, each member owns their own things and has their own ISK. If they were to pay for reparations the question would be not how much TTI pays but who within TTI would be paying.
btw I heard through the grapevine that some within TTI were building up a reparations fund rated at a half a billion or so before the events within the council went down. I doubt the smaller corps will see any of that money if it indeed exists anytime soon. You souldn't try to bite the hand that feeds you I guess.
Regardless of how you look at things the coming week will show plenty more surprises I'm sure, so far TTI haven't called in any of their alliances, and if they do we can expect war to spread further within the galaxy than just 2 regions. Really a shame that the loudest of them always end up with so little, or they leave the universe to search happiness elsewhere. You must admit Jade has been atleast trying to play the game quite well, really a shame that she's so loud while doing it, then again she doesn't actually have any other backing on her side, unlike some of the other players and also puppets out there. As for you mr. Drakt, keep flipping them burgers =)
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Flatliner
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:08:00 -
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Since you all are so concearned with losses from both sides.
I can confirm these figures, which were painstakingly accounted for each time an engagement took place or target taken out.
VA/TTI Losses/mainly VA:
19 Battleships.
38 Cruisers.
12 Indy's.
10 Frigates.
2 Shuttles.
Battleship losses could be -2.
Last fight was chaotic.
Evo & Co, mostly Evo.
7 Battleships.
4 Cruisers
9 Frigates.
These are not published to kick VA in the teeth while they are down.
Mainly to the extent at which they suffered with little or no help from hmmm guess who. OMG nearly said it.
Remember all,
TTI means: Target This Immediately!. 
Flatliner.
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Nepenthe
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:13:00 -
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As it has been stated before i wonder the lack of intrest of TTI to defend their own home region and the lack of support to the bravely fighting corporations who stood with TTI to defend their turf, then all they get is a turned back and a threat to be killed and jade being wanted for 100m ?
I truely lack of any respect towards TTI or who stand with them, propably to get ingnored at the moment of need.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:16:00 -
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Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 01/09/2003 09:17:07
I'll just make a short post and leave it at that (well not that short). My personal feelings aside I would like to correct a few misconceptions.
1) Yes, two days ago TTI did place "hits" on other corps (per the screenshot). Prior to that though I'm not aware of any hit orders being placed nor has Evolution offered any evidence of their "charges" (the verdict has fallen post). It would be nice if people can be a little objective here and ask for evidence BEFORE coming to a judgement.
2) Personally I'd like to repair the alliance. I think its a good group of people (ie: real people) and I had alot of fun up here. I honestly think Evolution will kick out the rest of these corps anyway (they dont exactly have a history of honesty or fair play).
3) I'm saddend to see this whole thing develop this way and I'm happy to announce that I know several people who are actually quitting the game over this debacle. I'm sure all the "whaa whaa cry cry" posts will follow this but I'd ask all the reasonable people to ask themselves why PvP servers in games that also have non-PvP servers are only populated a fraction of the other.
4) I'm a carebear and happy to admit it. I'll go on playing for awhile and doing my "other" Eve duties but I'm not sure what my long term prognosis is. I'm a little disappointed this entire game has gone this way.
5) I'm torn between wanting to leave TTI (I guess I'm fired as an exec for saying that) and staying. There are some real nice people here (ie: real people) yet the constant attacks are tiresome. I will say though that EVERYONE has to admit TTI has been a target of people for no reason as long as they can remember.
6) I would ask everyone who even remotely believes TTI put out hits on Evolution BEFORE this war started to seriously ask themselves WHY a carebear corp like TTI would want to provoke someone like that? No offense people but that question has no answer because there is no answer. We've always tried to remain isolationist (think about it - we really have).
7) The more I think about it this is probably my last MMPORG game. I'm just not cut out for the backstabbing, lies, roleplaying fanatics and losers (on all sides of the conflict). I find the trailer trash talk beneath me (yes thats arrogance that comes from parents who taught me responsibility and good manners) as I also find the constant lies beneath me (I do my best to remain honest - even in here).
Anyway I wish everyone well. Now that I've considered it it's probably best if I just leave. I don't have all the PvP experience everyone seems to crave anyway I'm just an older mature player who was trying to have some fun with nice people.
Feel free to flame away. I wont be posting anymore. I just though people might interested to see what a real person says about all this.
Calladen Nimitz
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:17:00 -
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i find the news of TTI hiring M3G4 corp hilarious.
TTI is obviously running out of pirates to do its dirty work, and in the process is showing its true colors.. a funder, supporter, and user of pirates for its personal gain.
From early on it was speculated that TTI hire and use pirates to carry out its bidding, usually to hamper the growth of other corporations in game. Now this speculation is being thrust out into the light for everyone to see and being proven as fact not rumor.
Good choice of pirates TTI, after all, M3g4 are well renknown for their ability to hold onto territory arent they?
The Circus that is TTI stumbles along, becomeing more embarrasing and funny along the way. Actually.. M3G4 corp is probably a good corp to align yourselves with, they have about the same level of credibility as yourselves.
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Mitch Taylor
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:20:00 -
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Well this is simply confirmation of what I have always belived: TTI are arrogent, backstabbing and only care about themselves, in other words, pirates one and all.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:25:00 -
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Haha TTi and SI kicked out of Venal. The two most irritating corps in Eve and the too most arrogant CEO's getting shafted. Brilliant. Worth the price of the admission alone! 
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Endyl
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:28:00 -
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Calladen.
I don't know enough of TTi to go very deep in this way, but from the few I know it seem your company made terrible mistakes due to the fact you ignored the human aspects and the reactions of the others.
Anyway, there's another thing my father told who could have served TTi a lot :
"When you have many enemies, care of your allies."
It seem that Ayn Rant "virtue of selfishness" phylosophy doesn't include this old adagio full of wisdom.
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:28:00 -
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Feel free to flame away. I wont be posting anymore.
Whatever Calladan. You've said that before and you just keep coming back spewing more spin doctored junk.
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Nepenthe
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:32:00 -
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Edited by: Nepenthe on 01/09/2003 09:33:53
Edited by: Nepenthe on 01/09/2003 09:32:18
I am saddened to see also the lack of capability of taking loss, u just throw in the towel as things dont come out too good for you.
Instead of rebuilding and re-arranging your attitude towards other corporations u just leave the game and say i wont post again on theese boards because i am disapointed my mega corp got a beating.
You are/were wealthy as anyone can be and have still a player base.
Go and try to do what many smaller corps have to do, to built/rebuild themselfs.
I mean in the past few days i have wittnessed the treacherous behaviour of TTI and now all i can say that u DIDNT EVEN TRY!!!
Eve is a game and behind a game are real people as u stated, but real people rebuilt if things dont turn out the way they want.
I personally think u should step down and let some other people lead TTI and the politics!
You WERE a mega corp..now u took a beating.
Take it as it comes and make the best of it.
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Jean
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:37:00 -
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So far this has been the best read on these boards in months imo. Hail to the topic starter and her choice of words.
It is indeed strange to see TTi win a vote and immediately thereafter announcing war on it's fellow corporations. Have there been any "official" new statements regarding this act?
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:41:00 -
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I think its unfortunate Mr. Nimitz is running away. He seemed to be the one honest person in TTI. I agree TTI has been maligned for sometime and often unjustly. I would encourage him to start his own company and stay in the game. If he does this I'm sure Evolution and everyone else would just leave him alone wouldnt they? How about it Mr. Nimitz? Stay and start a new company or go to work for someone else? Your an honest man I'm sure someone would be happy to take you in? You really dont belong at TTI anyway your not like them.
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Javie Ve'Toca
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:46:00 -
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TTI has still not understood why people dislike them so much. If they could just understand that much of the "hatred" comes from the cooperation with Pirate corps.
Almost every honest player in Eve has at one time or the other met or been blown to pieces by a Pirate and then seeing the largest corp in the game, who should have the military forces to protect their members and others, ally with some of the worst pirates in game, just stinks!
TTI move to Empire space, cut off all bonds with pirate corps and then take contact with some honorable corps, I bet it will be hard for you to find someone who want to work with you at the moment, but time heals all wounds and people will forget. Start working with anti-pirate corps, start using some of your wealth to strike back at pirates, show that you care about others than just your own wallet. There are a lot of corps who go out on Pirate hunting trips as soon as they hear about or see a pirate blockade, no matter if they have lost any ships to it or not. Have we ever seen or heard TTI do something like that, no. They have stood side by side with the Pirates at the gate instead and telling that they will protect the pirates if someone attacks them, and that the pirates are (read: were) safe in Venal.
You can be carebears if that's what you all love, but don't let Pirate corps do your dirty business and then back them up!
By doing the aobe you will change the hatred to a more neutral opinion and maybe in the long run even become that megacorp that people admire, instead of being spit on.
Come on TTI, lick your wounds, change your stance and cut off all pirate bonds, apologize for working with pirates in the past, ally with law-abiding corps and it will be a lot more fun to play the game for all of you.
There are dozens of honest, good fighting corps who can help protect your miners. Even though most of them will probably be very careful after all this.
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Raven DeBlade
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Posted - 2003.09.01 10:03:00 -
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This will be so much fun! Some God punish right away, some have to wait a week or two...
"To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
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Thufir Hawat
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Posted - 2003.09.01 10:10:00 -
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All I have to say is, reading about this saga has been the most amazing thing I've seen in a MMORPG. Alliances broken, territory conquered and gained, political intrigues and backstabbing, it's like a giant f!@king game of Diplomacy with spaceships, and I only wish I could have been a member of one of the corps that was involved in it.
Keep it up guys, this is some kick ass stuff. I don't even know who to root for -- now that TTi and Space Invaders are lookin like the underdogs I almost want them to make a comeback...
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Yyrkoon
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Posted - 2003.09.01 10:18:00 -
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The leaders of TTI are more than well aware of the facts why people tend to dislike them.
Strenghtening the ties with Space Invaders and now the addition of MEGA as your partners are only helping out in spreading the hatred towards TTI. But this might very well be the final show from TTI, before they all decides to leave this game.
Afterall it's not easy to take a loss, especially not the first but to arrange your own death like that?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.01 10:19:00 -
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Quote:
All I have to say is, reading about this saga has been the most amazing thing I've seen in a MMORPG. Alliances broken, territory conquered and gained, political intrigues and backstabbing, it's like a giant f!@king game of Diplomacy with spaceships, and I only wish I could have been a member of one of the corps that was involved in it.
Only in a single-instance game can this happen.
No other MOG can approach this quality or level of intrigue and involvement...because they are split acros multiple shards and nobody cares what is happening in all ther "other" instances of the world.
This is precisely why EVE is special... you cannot escape your actions or hide in parallel realities.
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Endyl
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Posted - 2003.09.01 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: Endyl on 01/09/2003 10:23:44
I think no ones care of who/what/how is Ragnar in RL.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2003.09.01 10:39:00 -
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Jade, I have to say I empathize with your anger at being betrayed by TTI - even on the eve of the VA resolving to continue to protect them.
Time and time again, TTI comes out and angers the general populace - firstly by going up to Venal, then trying to crush other corps with their financial muscle, then hiring mercenaries to attack their competition and wreak petty revenge, and now this.
Ragnar, you didn't learn diplomacy at the Joseph Stalin School of Executing-All-Those-Who-Speak-Against-You, did you? It sure seems it. You've consistently hammered the nails into your own coffin, time and time again.
Public opinion is at an all-time low, the warships are ready, and the tide is coming. Looks like it's time to reap what you've been sowing - hate and death.
Should be interesting. It's this sort of thing that makes EVE a great game.
opinions are personal and do not represent the views of Tyrell Corporation
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Jobe Katarn
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Posted - 2003.09.01 10:52:00 -
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I think you all deserve to spend the rest of your EVE-lives blowing chunks out of each other personally.
The VA,SA and FA have effectively removed a fair percentage of the EVE game world to anyone without the military might to make a play for it. Thus taking away a large chunk of the wealth and keeping it within "selected" corporations.
Frankly, this stinks, I just hope you now all get what you deserve; ENDLESS WAR, make good use of all those rare minerals you have been so desperate to keep to yourselves.
Note: this is my own view and not neccessarily that of my corporations.
Jobe Katarn
In arduis fidelis
Steadfast in Adversity
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.09.01 10:57:00 -
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My god! I actually find myself agreeing with a member of PIE!!
I think I need a lie down...
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starmist
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Posted - 2003.09.01 11:00:00 -
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Ragnar > Since this incursion began, TTI has lost 4 battleships and TTI has been involved with the destruction of 5 Evol battleships along with members of VA. We are not afraid of Evolution, or their new found allies in the Venal traitors that have chosen to double-cross TTI.
All this fighting and the largest corporation by far has only lost 4 battleships? You really don't fight much do you?
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.01 11:02:00 -
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Jobe, Your exactly right. These so called alliances have become a scourge on EVE. In fact I'm convinced the constant exploiting and griefing early in the game be "certain" companies is the reason we dont have higher level content now. Instead of coding stations and mobile depots for us the developers were busy trying to deal with exploiter PvP types who were killing people in 1.0 space (I'm not naming names everyone knows who you are). Theyve had to spend so much time dealing with this PvP garbage that the rest of Eve and its content has been ignored. Endless war is what some of these people want yet there are far better games for that out there then Eve?
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