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James Hawkings
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Posted - 2003.09.02 05:01:00 -
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jade my girl welcome to the Clud of Empty TTI bounties :)
i still hold the top with that 500mil bounty and i haven't been podded once.
but i read this forum and i'm with you all the way, nobody likes TTI save space invaders whose threats against me after the incident also were hollow. If you ever need somebody to help blow up Roark whom i hate with all my being , yell for me. i got a battleship to help, i call it "The 100mil Typo"
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Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.09.02 09:02:00 -
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Much to my own shame, I am one who doubted Jade and was influenced by TTI's claims that it was some great Evolution / Jericho conspiracy designed to weaken the Venal Alliance. Perhaps I was suffering from battle-fatigue from chasing Evolution pilots around Venal for two weeks while watching the Venal Alliance and my comrades be slowly decimated with little or no assistance from our largest and ostensibly most-powerful member.
After the fact, I have come to see that TTI's actions speak far louder than Jade's eloquent words. TTI has brought M3G4 corp into Venal--yet another group of hired guns recruited to do that which TTI cannot do themselves. Often, the truth which is the most obvious is the most difficult to perceive. TTI is weak and ineffectual as a military force. Their CEO is a despot who is probably insane. Their combat pilots can do nothing more than sit in a blob of cruisers and battleships, a tactic I like to call, "circling the wagons."
I suppose it makes sense that their combat pilots fear to lose their battleships. Even TTI's own members receive no compensation or restitution from TTI beyond the perfunctory BYOM deal--or so I've been told.
TTI, what will you do once your hired guns find out that Venal is not profitable for them? Do you really think M3G4 corp is going to remain in Venal and fight for you when the going gets rough? Is M3G4 going to be loyal? Do you have a tight grip on that leash? Because despite your protestations, the VA, as an entity, was loyal. The evidence of our loyalty can be found in the burned-out husks of warships who met their end fighting for your Venal. You have squandered that loyalty. You will never find it again.
Your current "allies" will eventually abandon you just as the wiser members of the Venal Alliance have now abandoned you. You stated that you could not "trust" the VA corporations who dared to disagree with you. That complaint now becomes laughable in light of your current bedfellows.
Spend that money TTI. Buy some more friends. You are going to need them.
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Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.09.02 09:32:00 -
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And to Jade: My sincerest apologies for having doubted you. Perhaps my mind was unable to reconcile the stark contrast between your pure and splendid candor and the befuddled insincerity of the TTI rank-and-file members who defended their dictator's insane ramblings with a vigor they have never demonstrated on the battlefield.
While I respect many of TTI's members as individuals, I must say that Ragnar deserves neither your support nor your loyalty. Many of you have complained that TTI members do not deserve the scorn that is heaped upon them by so many. While this may be true, you need only look to your esteemed leader and his loyal henchmen to find the source of your troubles.
Much like most Germans did not deserve to see the ruination of Germany in World War II, TTI members will have to pay the price for the treachery of their leader.
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Ashton Black
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Posted - 2003.09.02 10:14:00 -
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Content? Who needs content when we have this Space opera?
Fantastic.
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2003.09.02 11:50:00 -
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I am sorry but I have to laugh at some of the statements as regards KIA. Have some free ships poor lads your so brave ect. Please remember KIA are a bunch of gate camping pirates as well. The difference is they did it because they were told to do it by VA.
They camped gates with TTI and S.I. in the pure blind region. Yes they might be very dedicated to there jobs but morally it was wrong.
And before I get flamed there are morals in rpgs. Peoples perceptions of right and wrong apply to eve as well. I like the kia guys they used to be good guys. I went mining with them in the pureblind area and hunted with some of them in the lonetrek region but after they joined VA this changed some of there members left because of there desision to join Venal.
I think at this point KIA should try make ammends first before they are forgiven for there own actions...they could have said no to begin with but as the saying goes...
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutly.
(these are my views and do not represent the views of my corp)
Ps: I do hope someday that you guys will make ammends for your pirate behaviour and then maybe the corps that lost ships to you gate camping might see it to forgive you.
With all due respect, that single incident was explained in great depth and solved in the senate forums. KIA were present for the sole purpose of catching Jexter and Fist who had been causing our operations problems.
A few SI and a TTI pilot killed and podded a few innocents. Complaints were made on the forums and TTI apologised for the incident and made reperations to all involved.
KIA Had no part in the podding of those pilots and left soon after the incident.
KIA are not pirates and will not be pirates. Since the occurance of that incident which was many weeks ago now, KIA have not once been involved in ANY blockades outside of venal.
As far as all parties involved were concerned the incident was closed, TTI were forgiven and KIA apologised for being there. Despite our intentions for being there been noble and purley to destroy Jexter and Fist they were unfortunatly misinterpreted.
That is the reason KIA has made a point of avoiding blockades outside venal space to ensure this sort of misunderstanding does not occur again.
This has all been covered before in past threads, please can we let this matter rest now?
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2003.09.02 12:47:00 -
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Fair enough hicks my apologies.
" Stay Frosty "
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2003.09.02 13:01:00 -
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Wretch: I tend to agree.
And anyone who tries to tell me that pirating in EVE is morally wrong gets a carebear award. 
Ulstan If you read my full post you might understand what I said. Pirateing is wrong you lose sec for doing it so in the game it is wrong. I think eve needs it's pirates they add flavor and fun to the game but it is still right and wrong behavior. please remember eve is after all a roleplaying game.
As regards your comment pirating in eve is ok....you can do it of course.
It still is defined by people views of right and wrong.
the context of wrong being as in againest the law ect not as in you are not allowed to pirate in eve.
" Stay Frosty "
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.02 13:38:00 -
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I think I see what you are getting at corporal hicks - the problem is we have a lot of levels of 'wrong' here :)
Is it morally wrong for someone to pirate in EVE? (Like, is it wrong for you to do something in a game, that is wrong in real life?)
Is it wrong according to the game developers to pirate in EVE? (As in, is pirating not supposed to be part of the gameplay)
And finally, is it wrong, from the viewpoint of the in-game authorities, to pirate? (The sec, hits, etc).
I think the first two are 'no' and the last is 'yes' :)
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Setec
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Posted - 2003.09.02 14:53:00 -
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TTI was resented by some members of the Venal Alliance because, even though TTI ships were very involved in our mutual defense and TTI took losses on the alliance's behalf, some people thought that such a large corporation should do more.
A real rift came with Jade's very ill-conceived idea of a mutual defense fund to buy ships for alliance members for the war effort. I believe TTI was asked to pay something like 500 million for this. Never mind concerns about who's to handle the money, whether it should be spent on battleships for a few or cruisers for all, whether it lead pilots to be careless with the guarantee of new free ships, and so on. Such a fund is filled with so many logistic flaws it's almost absurd. Yet TTI was unfairly branded unhelpful, despite all their fighting alongside us, simply because they saw the problems with Jade's goofy idea.
Many members of the alliance voted to betray an ally to appease an enemy, thereby showing their lack of loyalty. TTI very understandably did not wish to remain allied with those members who wished to toss them out on a street to win a NAP with some Fountain thugs, so they've formed a new alliance in Venal among with the corporations that stood beside them, the ones that understand the meaning of comradery.
Oh, and it's very amusing that the Fountain Alliance tries to claim the moral high ground here, shunning TTI for associating with pirate members fo the Venal Alliance. Yet Evolution and Cult of Cthulhu are all-out pirates as well. They simply fail to admit it--they're indescriminate killers who mutter some excuse about vendettas or territoriality no matter who they're killing or where. They're pirates every bit as much as SI, only they lack our style and the integrity to admit to their deeds.
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M0RPHEUS
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Posted - 2003.09.02 15:22:00 -
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Coc is a bounty hunter corp, and a damn good one.
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Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.09.02 15:34:00 -
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TTI was resented by some members of the Venal Alliance because, even though TTI ships were very involved in our mutual defense and TTI took losses on the alliance's behalf, some people thought that such a large corporation should do more.
Were they? I remember seeing 2-3 TTI pilots regularly participating in Venal's defense. And the losses TTI took were for the same reasons as almost all the other VA losses--failing to be wary while travelling. The fact is, TTI was obligated to do more because TTI was the magnet who was drawing the hostility into Venal. TTI seemed to believe VA was created to be a buffer between enemy forces and TTI headquarters, like bodyguards who throw themselves before incoming bullets. However, every sting that TTI took from the war was like a good old-fashioned mauling to the rest of VA. They were so aloof, they could not even see that the rest of VA had virtually ceased to exist as a viable defense force.
Setec, if you were being attacked by nine guys, and your three buddies were getting their arses kicked, and you were bigger and stronger than anyone, doesn't it make you a coward if you stand there and watch? Wouldn't a person of integrity and valor put every ounce of effort and passion into the defense of himself and his friends? TTI's effort was half-hearted, at best. Why does TTI NOW spend money bringing mercenaries to Venal for defense? Hmmmmm?
Because now, the buffer is gone, and the guns are pointed directly at TTI. It's different now.
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A real rift came with Jade's very ill-conceived idea of a mutual defense fund to buy ships for alliance members for the war effort. I believe TTI was asked to pay something like 500 million for this. Never mind concerns about who's to handle the money, whether it should be spent on battleships for a few or cruisers for all, whether it lead pilots to be careless with the guarantee of new free ships, and so on. Such a fund is filled with so many logistic flaws it's almost absurd. Yet TTI was unfairly branded unhelpful, despite all their fighting alongside us, simply because they saw the problems with Jade's goofy idea.
TTI did nothing while Venal burned. Isn't it sad that Occassus Republica, a corporation with three battleships tasked to PvP, had more success against the enemy than the most powerful corporation in EVE? Isn't it telling that it was the smaller corporations who had the most to lose in this war who were giving the largest proportion of effort?
TTI's unwillingness to discuss alternatives or to listen to anyone else is 90% of the problem here.
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Many members of the alliance voted to betray an ally to appease an enemy, thereby showing their lack of loyalty. TTI very understandably did not wish to remain allied with those members who wished to toss them out on a street to win a NAP with some Fountain thugs, so they've formed a new alliance in Venal among with the corporations that stood beside them, the ones that understand the meaning of comradery.
You have this all backward, as does TTI. It was not VA's obligation to be loyal to TTI. It was TTI's obligation to be loyal to VA. It was TTI who chose to defy the will of the VA counsel--despite the fact that the counsel had acted in their favor. It was the height of arrogance to act in that way. It was nothing more than a temper tantrum by an idiot of a CEO who can find no other way of dealing with his detractors than to place a bounty on their heads. It was Ragnar who broke the alliance's back, and only Ragnar.
And please spare us the gnashing of teeth over TTI's inability to "trust" those corps who voted against them. That is the argument of a child. TTI asked how they could trust those corporations at their back--even while they were sinking their own knife into the entire alliance. It is hypocritical to the point of absurdity.
Setec--did you ever stop to consider that those corporations who voted to kick TTI out of Venal were RIGHT? And we have been vindicated by Ragnar's own words. Had Ragnar ignored the perceived slight and sought to address the concerns of those corporations voting against him in a professional matter and with dignity, he would have earned respect and solidified the alliance forever. However, he chose to stamp his feet and defy the alliance instead.
And what will Ragnar do to you the moment you do not agree with TTI actions? Hmmmmm?
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Jeffor
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Posted - 2003.09.02 15:41:00 -
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Rubbish if people are in an alliance and svear to defend each others then one part of the alliance votes to get rid of some of their allies to placate an enemy they fear.
That makes *you* the traitors we offered the 7 (or 6) corps who voted for us a place in the new alliance. The bacstabers we chose to scorn.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.02 15:45:00 -
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Rubbish if people are in an alliance and svear to defend each others then one part of the alliance votes to get rid of some of their allies to placate an enemy they fear.
That makes *you* the traitors we offered the 7 (or 6) corps who voted for us a place in the new alliance. The bacstabers we chose to scorn.
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Falnaerith
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Posted - 2003.09.02 15:49:00 -
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You still don't address all the contentions that Corm has brought up. One of which is why you are now spending money in defence of Venal, but before offered only BYOM deals to people during a wartime.
Please actually adress an argument instead of feebly attacking one point and hoping the rest go away or are forgotten.
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Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.09.02 15:51:00 -
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Ha! I'm quite certain that many VA members are going to volunteer to be TTI's cannon-fodder in exchange for--what? Defeat? I would die to defend Cyberdyne. I would die to defend KIA. I would die to defend Jericho. And I would have died to defend Taggart--but that wasn't good enough for TTI.
TTI did nothing to earn the loyalty they so fervently demand. It's like a man who cheats on his wife for years, and is then stunned when he comes home one day to find the locks on the house have been changed, and all his junk is sitting on the front porch.
The five VA corps who voted against TTI initially were merely stating that TTI's participation in the alliance had been found wanting. And it took 1 minute for TTI to prove those 5 corps correct.
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OverKill
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Posted - 2003.09.02 15:51:00 -
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...if people are in an alliance and svear to defend each others then one part of the alliance votes to get rid of some of their allies to placate an enemy they fear.
So far as I can read that is the least of the reasons for them wanting to eject you.
The main ones being....
- TTi sat back and did next to nothing, living in a nicely resourced area while they conducted business with a minimum of overhead and a maximum of protection at someone elses expense.
- TTi refused to offer any insight or input into an Alliance where they were asked to contribute. This attitude leads me to believe that if TTi can't be the ruling body they really don't want to participate.
Those are the only two points that everyone except TTi seems to agree upon. Even TTi's allies claim that the above are true which makes things most interesting.
Spin.... spiiiiiiiiiiiing doctor!
Regards,
OK
[email protected] - http://www.hadean.org
Chief Executive Officer - Hadean Drive Yards |
Jeffor
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Posted - 2003.09.02 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jeffor on 02/09/2003 15:57:26
I allready posted we dont give away money to be administered by just anybody. Even our own employees buy their own ships from the corp, we offered the VA exactly the same deal as we offer ourselves.
Oh and only a minority chose to vote against us it was decided that we couldnt opperate with people who would rather stab us in our backs than fight with us. Those who woted against our expulsion was offered a place with us...
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Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:03:00 -
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...if TTi can't be the ruling body they really don't want to participate.
In the final analysis, that, my friend, is the heart of the problem.
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Falnaerith
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:06:00 -
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Edited by: Jeffor on 02/09/2003 15:57:26
I allready posted we dont give away money to be administered by just anybody. Even our own employees buy their own ships from the corp, we offered the VA exactly the same deal as we offer ourselves.
I wonder who the leader of this new alliance is?
Another thing that strikes me as funny; now that this new alliance has sprung up, TTI is participating and throwing money at the problem.
And again, jeffor doesn't address the arguments against him.
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OverKill
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:13:00 -
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...we dont give away money to be administered by just anybody...
But these weren't just "anybody" these were your brothers and sisters in arms. At least thats what they believed. They wanted you to contribute.
It seems like "If TTi can't be in control then we're taking our ball and going home" is quite common in the business practices you have going on over there.
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Even our own employees buy their own ships from the corp, we offered the VA exactly the same deal as we offer ourselves.
Nowhere in my post did I discuss anything about your internal practices in regards to how you supply and equip your people.
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Oh and only a minority chose to vote against us
5-4 might be a minority, but only just barely LOL it could have swung either way and from my sources tell me one of the tie breakers was paid off so that TTi could save face and LEAVE rather than be expelled.
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It was decided that we couldnt opperate with people who would rather stab us in our backs than fight with us.
Ummm, when was TTi going to get to the fighting bit? Cause all the VA guys are doing is screaming about how TTi was sitting on its collective arses rather than wage an expensive war along side their "allies".
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Those who woted against our expulsion was offered a place with us...
I'm sure they were, its kinda like saying "nice doggie, good doggie" but then again I don't know all the ins and outs.
I've known for a long time that Ragnar's bull**** would eventually catch up with him, and the way he treats people would eventually bite him in the ass and hell yes, I feel smug and satisfied to see this all unfold.
It is certainly making my EVE time more entertaining.
/emote grabs some pom poms and attempts to squeeze into the little cheerleaders outfit.
Rick 'em, Rack 'em, Ruck 'em, fire those Large Beam Lasers and......... 'em.
Regards,
OK
[email protected] - http://www.hadean.org
Chief Executive Officer - Hadean Drive Yards |
ChandraGupta
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:19:00 -
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T-T-AYE BYE BYE
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:21:00 -
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"Ummm, when was TTi going to get to the fighting bit? Cause all the VA guys are doing is screaming about how TTi was sitting on its collective arses rather than wage an expensive war along side their "allies"."
To be honest Mr. Overkill I'm not sure who to believe here. Youve got one side claiming TTI did fight and the other saying they didnt. I guess Id ask what crime was done to Hayden Driveyards by TTI? You seem to have first hand knowledge of their CEOs actions I assume they ripped off your company or something? Or is your attack just trolling to pile on with the rest of these people? I was criticized yesterday for questioning a sneak attack by Critical Mass as "being someone who runs around posting about stuff I know nothing about" (more or less a quote). I commented perhaps that is what everyone is doing here. So you say Ragnars bull****. I dont care for the man either but perhaps you could tell us all what he did to you that gives you firsthand knowledge he rips people off and backstabs? Or are you like the other ninety percent of people who simply post trolling flames to pile on the topic of the day? A await your answer with anticipation. Thank you.
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Falnaerith
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Falnaerith on 02/09/2003 16:29:10
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/emote grabs some pom poms and attempts to squeeze into the little cheerleaders outfit.
Rick 'em, Rack 'em, Ruck 'em, fire those Large Beam Lasers and......... 'em.
Egh.
Jeffer please go and get somebody who can speak for your corporation and try to defend what shred of a good image you are trying to maintain.
(And failing rather miserably imo)
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:29:00 -
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No one has bothered to answer my question. Were the obligations of VA membership spelled out in any contract? Did your corps specify anything about anything or were you just an informal group? Perhaps that is the problem. At least if you had something in writing it would be clear who broke what agreement. I can only imagine the reaction of lets say Great Britain if in 1945 the United States had negotiated its own surrender with Germany and left the UK out of it. I would probably be a little upset too. Personally I think this thread is full of 100% lies and misquotes. Neither side has shown any integrity in this matter and the rest of the people jumping on hating TTI have shown no class. Everyone is so ready to condemn them yet they fail to ask why this war was even started. Evolution has to date failed to present ANY evidence of the so called "crimes" of TTI. Where is all the passion and hate for the aggressor here who acknowledges attacking another corporation for no reason? I hope you all realize they will become bored fighting TTI and SI and turn their attentions to other corporations. They act like neighborhood bullies and must be exposed. I think TTI is arrogant and I dont think Ragnar should remain as leader given the outburst. That aside I think the entire community needs to look at why this war even started and what proof of crimes was present. All weve seen is a "chatlog of X's and Y's" and a screenshot taken after the war was well underway showing a payoff. Nothing has been presented to justify this attack. Keep in mind YOUR corporation may be the next target of Evolution. If it is consider they may use the same evidence (that being none) and say the same thing about YOUR corporation. Wake up people.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tristan on 02/09/2003 16:36:35
What the hell is wrong with sneak attacks?
are we supposed to give a warning now?
"im coming to the gate to shoot at you now and do nasty stuff to you. im just telling you so you can run off and hide some more"
i mean come on HP!
That corp messed us about, we slapped them across their face, end of story. We could instead be spinless and just post on the forums about how nasty they where messing the market up for everyone. instead we gave them a whack.
whats up with that? it is a PVP game after all... read back of game box for tips on the kinds of things you can do to your enemies.
The guy who posted the thread was attempting to make CME look bad, made half a story up into something else, added a splash of M0o and failed.
Anyone who knows CME knows we do not deal with pirate corps, we attack them. Ask the gang (or its ex members in SI) ask M0o, ask Orion, ask any pirate group we have ever come across in game, at some point or other we exchange fire.
Not long drawn out conflicts no.. but we pop a few ships here and there as retribution. (or get popped trying)
Hence that guys attempt at stirring up some dirt didnt work, Unlike TTI's facade of a reputation, CME has at least some form of reputation and we try to keep it and build on it. we do not employ, deal with, trade with, or fund pirates. EVER.
Thankyou.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:30:00 -
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High Priestess
I am a little disappointed with you on this. I have been very patient, I have answered your questions here and elsewhere in precise detail, I have debated, I have explained, I have illustrated points, I have pointed you and others at factual evidence. And now, after all that you still seem to the doubt the truth of what actually happened.
Can I ask you one question, and please believe I shall think no less of you for the answer?
Are you an alt character for a Taggart main?
Love and peace
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:33:00 -
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Tristan, So Critical Mass has a policy of killing other corporations it considers competition? Boy thats real "honest" Im sure you a member of the better business bureau with company standards like that. Im sure everyone is happy to know you ambushed a company just doing its thing and "slapped their face" as you put it. I have to agree with some carebears on this. PvP is part of the game. It was never meant to be the only part. Then again if you cant win at one part (like manufacturing) you can just kill someone right? This game is so unbalanced. Thank you.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:34:00 -
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Dont defend your actions against those who perceive events to have taken place in the luxury of infinite time and with 20-20 hindsight.
Its a waste of time and they only seek to muddy the waters to asuage their own pedantic natures.
Life isn't black and white which is why pedants always have problems relating to it.
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:37:00 -
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Jade, No I am not an alt of someone. Im just someone who bought this game hoping for more then its turned out to be. Ive only played three weeks and a few days yet I think the title "Space Killers" would be more appropriate. As for my impression of the community this has to be the worst forum community Ive ever seen. I thought the name calling was bad over at Plat but this is much worse. The maturity level of some posters is obviously very low. Im upset we dont have Tech II content and other innovations in game because CCP has had to focus on the actions of misfits, griefers and exploiters who seem to pop up in every game. This is my 7th MMPORG and by far the community here is the worst. Thank you.
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OverKill
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:42:00 -
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I guess Id ask what crime was done to Hayden Driveyards by TTI? You seem to have first hand knowledge of their CEOs actions I assume they ripped off your company or something?
I wouldn't classify HDY and TTi's dealings as an rip off since no money really changed hands however due to the narrowmindedness of an individual relations between TTi and HDY slid faster than... a great many things.
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Or is your attack just trolling to pile on with the rest of these people?
I've been called a great many things, but a troll is not one of them. Negative, I am not trolling, afterall I think this is great exposure for both sides and I, with the utmost respect to those who did get burned, am glad to see that it wasn't just us who have been slapped in the face.
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I was criticized yesterday for questioning a sneak attack by Critical Mass as "being someone who runs around posting about stuff I know nothing about"
I post about whatever I want to post about because its a free country. The moment EVE picks up and censors my thoughts and opinions (which don't violate the TOS) then I will return my account and my Corporation and move onto better places. You should do the same. Never let anyone tell you "You can't post about it cause you don't know anything about it".
If people were to tell me things like that in real life I would beat them down, the same goes in game life.
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So you say Ragnars bull****. I dont care for the man either but perhaps you could tell us all what he did to you that gives you firsthand knowledge he rips people off and backstabs?
I think Ragnar is bull**** in MY EYES and those aren't necessarily the correct viewpoints here but they are mine and I stand by them.
I think Ragnar is an arrogant pompous ass but a saavy businessman.
I think Ragnar does what is best for Ragnar and TTi like most real life Corporations except that somewhere along the way he forgot this isn't real life and the rules are different here. Both in keeping score and how you relate to others.
I think that games are about cooperation and enjoyment, not changing sides every time the wind shifts, or pitting mutiple sides against each other or trying to enforce HIS ideals upon the rest of us. Another man tried that once and he ended up commiting suicide as the allies closed in on a certain bunker in a certain European country.
Do I name him like that man? NO!
I merely state that others have tried to press THEIR ideals on people and met with a negative end.
As for the dealings between HDY and TTi, again they are of little consquence compared to what has transpired in the last few days.
Regards,
OK
[email protected] - http://www.hadean.org
Chief Executive Officer - Hadean Drive Yards |
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