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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
12000
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:53:00 -
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No one is stopping you from donating. |
SKINE DMZ
Stay Frosty.
242
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Posted - 2013.11.10 19:09:00 -
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Would love to donate some ISK if it will be possible to convert back into money to help them in the Philippines, I will be keeping an eye on this or feel free to contact me for a donation if and when CCP gets back to you. |
Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
342
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Posted - 2013.11.10 19:11:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Screw this crap. You want to help out the Philippines. Donate your time and/or money to one of the relief organizations. A list can be found here: Typhoon Haiyan Relief Organizations
Donating PLEX is not mutually exclusive with donating time/money. Also can't believe that people are trolling over 10,000 dead victims.
+1 to the OP. |
First Star Wolf
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.11.10 19:16:00 -
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As soon as CCP endorse this I'll donate 2 plex come on ccp |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4525
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Posted - 2013.11.10 19:22:00 -
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By the way if anyone wants to send ISK (I'd wait for CCP to confirm they'll do this charity drive first tbh), they should send it to the appropriate corp not to me. Same for contracted stuff. The corp is VAERT.
Step by step to do it in few seconds:
1) Copy and paste VAERT in a client chat.
2) Right click and link as corporation.
3) If you want to be very sure to have selected the correct corporation, you can click it. It's called Vahrokh's Emergencies Relief Trust. |
Chiyo Kawamura
Dissonance Corp
Initiative Mercenaries
2
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Posted - 2013.11.10 19:29:00 -
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Come on CCP! I imagine there are a fair few plexes in the fund already, with the last plex for charity being so long ago and many more willing to donate if you confirm you will support this charity drive.
Make this one top of your agenda for Monday's meetings. |
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
538
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Posted - 2013.11.10 19:32:00 -
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according to VVs sheet, there is about 76b in the various funds at the moment (unless I am reading it wrong) |
Lost Hamster
FREE GATES
114
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Posted - 2013.11.10 19:33:00 -
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+4 PLEX on contract. |
Rykker Bow
131
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Posted - 2013.11.10 19:49:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Why not actually send them money, rather than use in game isk to cover your donations?
Giving money out of your pocket means something, giving meaningless money from within a game is just weak.
Giving 'meaningless' money from within a game that is converted to REAL money is not weak. Also I can donate 40b in ISK that then converts to some serious real money. That 40b only costs me sweat equity which I have much of and is just as fulfilling as giving cash from my wallet. |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation
DemSal Unlimited
701
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:36:00 -
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A worthy idea and the silence from CCP is indicative of it being a weekend.
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Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
98
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:45:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Screw this crap. You want to help out the Philippines. Donate your time and/or money to one of the relief organizations. A list can be found here: Typhoon Haiyan Relief Organizations
This. They need help now, not pretend money handed out by a company with a less than stellar track record of organising things. |
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
541
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:47:00 -
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but CCP have done this before, as you know, because you followed the links in the OP, and, as you know because you clicked the links, there is currently 76b being held in funds for emergency relief. |
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
98
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:06:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:but CCP have done this before, as you know, because you followed the links in the OP, and, as you know because you clicked the links, there is currently 76b being held in funds for emergency relief.
Donating to charity is a simple task.
Donating by proxy is ineffective and time consuming and it's not how I'd address a simple task like donating. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1133
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:12:00 -
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If this takes off, I will donate what I can. Would need to liquidate some in-game assets but can't see any reason I can't chip in a billion ISK or so. I would prefer Doctors Without Borders if they are active in the Phillipines as I feel they are the best charity around, but my contribution won't be conditional on that.
If I have any luck scamming over the next few days, I might be able to make that two billion (come on, courier contract scam, work for me for once...)
To the detractors - what CCP do for these charity drives is effectively 'refund' the donated PLEX for $15 less a small admin fee (the fee representing their costs, not a profit), then all the money made that way goes to the charity drive. Basically it's a way to turn the in-game greed of people that buy bulk PLEX into a way for those of us with more in-game resources than RL money to donate to an emergency fund. Or alternately, it can be thought of as non-illicit RMT where the money is for charity, not some shady RMT company.
CCP get massive PR out of it at a quite small price, the Phillipines fund gets some urgently needed cash, and quite a bit of it comes from people that otherwise could not afford to donate to the charity because they are broke IRL. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4531
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:36:00 -
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Lost Hamster wrote:+4 PLEX on contract.
You contracted them in an inaccessible sov 0.0 station.
Considering the client is only allowing me to reverse-redeem them back to the same station, I don't see how I may get them. |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor
Black Core Alliance
1102
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:37:00 -
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If CCP wants to continue donating to charity through PLEX, it might be a good idea just for them to set up a system in game for people to do it whenever people want. Instead of picking your disaster, just make donations to the Red Cross, International Red Cross, or Red Crescent. This way anyone that wants to donate, whenever, for whatever, can.
Be a lot easier, ethical?, to do this than just for the disasters that reach a level of criterion to warrant special consideration based on what one human's evaluation of "need" is for all people who want to donate in game.
Either that or just say we won't be doing plex for charity anymore.
But this random donations to "major" disasters is problematic. |
RAW23
472
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:08:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:If CCP wants to continue donating to charity through PLEX, it might be a good idea just for them to set up a system in game for people to do it whenever people want. Instead of picking your disaster, just make donations to the Red Cross, International Red Cross, or Red Crescent. This way anyone that wants to donate, whenever, for whatever, can.
Be a lot easier, ethical?, to do this than just for the disasters that reach a level of criterion to warrant special consideration based on what one human's evaluation of "need" is for all people who want to donate in game.
Either that or just say we won't be doing plex for charity anymore.
But this random donations to "major" disasters is problematic.
That's not going to be feasible as CCP are not going to be willing to leave an open door for unlimited amounts of what is effectively their money to flood out of their coffers. Of course, they will be able to write these donations off against tax but they will certainly want to directly control the flow by limiting it to short windows. |
RAW23
472
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:10:00 -
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Nam Dnilb wrote:Rhivre wrote:but CCP have done this before, as you know, because you followed the links in the OP, and, as you know because you clicked the links, there is currently 76b being held in funds for emergency relief. Donating to charity is a simple task. Donating by proxy is ineffective and time consuming and it's not how I'd address a simple task like donating.
The two are not mutually exclusive and donating by proxy is the only way to convert ingame assets into a donation. I doubt any charity would urge CCP not to do this since it will be an additional set of donations, not an alternative set. There is really no downside to this. |
RAW23
472
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:12:00 -
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Nam Dnilb wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Screw this crap. You want to help out the Philippines. Donate your time and/or money to one of the relief organizations. A list can be found here: Typhoon Haiyan Relief Organizations This. They need help now, not pretend money handed out by a company with a less than stellar track record of organising things.
Dollars are not 'pretend money'. Obviously CCP don't say to the charity, 'here, have a bunch of isk or plexes that can be redeemed for game time'. What they do is donate the dollar value of the PLEXes that have been given, and at the same time removing the financial liabilities implied by PLEXes from their books. There was nothing pretend about the thousands of dollars the last two 'PLEX for Good' drives donated to the Red Cross. |
Nanatoa
439
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:20:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Lost Hamster wrote:+4 PLEX on contract. You contracted them in an inaccessible sov 0.0 station. Considering the client is only allowing me to reverse-redeem them back to the same station, I don't see how I may get them.
Take them and I'll swap them for PLEX in Jita. (I contract you 4 PLEX in Jita and you contract me the PLEX in whereever.) |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4531
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:24:00 -
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Nam Dnilb wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Screw this crap. You want to help out the Philippines. Donate your time and/or money to one of the relief organizations. A list can be found here: Typhoon Haiyan Relief Organizations This. They need help now, not pretend money handed out by a company with a less than stellar track record of organising things.
Hello,
let's do this.
I will try make CCP increase their PR record by organizing this.
Even if CCP won't authorize this drive, we - that is me and you - will give the example by donating $100 each to the Philippines Red Cross or Doctors Without Borders - Philippines at your choice.
I have written $100 because that's the minimum you can specify in the Red Cross selector.
Are you game?
Show not CCP's, but your own track record. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4534
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:29:00 -
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Nanatoa wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Lost Hamster wrote:+4 PLEX on contract. You contracted them in an inaccessible sov 0.0 station. Considering the client is only allowing me to reverse-redeem them back to the same station, I don't see how I may get them. Take them and I'll swap them for PLEX in Jita. (I contract you 4 PLEX in Jita and you contract me the PLEX in whereever.)
Ok deal!
It'll be my VAERT CEO alt doing that (Ishkahunta).
I'd love to have PLEXes in easily reached (read: contiguous high sec) locations for two reasons:
1) Don't ask me why, but for Japan there were logistic issues on the CCP employee who had to pick the PLEXes. Considering if the initiative starts we'll be in a hurry, I'd rather avoid the guy being unable to pick the PLEXes in locked stations and have to wait till some other CCP programmer force-unlocks it with some code patch or whatever.
2) I always produce a video that proves the whole process has been transparently and diligently done. Having the PLEXes well visible in the local items hanger when I create the contract certainly makes it as easy and transparent possible. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4536
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:48:00 -
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Nanatoa,
I am logged in game, please convo me on this character (I can't find you online). |
Johan Civire
The Lyran Empire
701
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:48:00 -
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Just make eve online compleet free no money need also give everyone free stuff and max everyone to the maxs sp points. Als donate every also with money because we need it also.... |
Detritus Newton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:52:00 -
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Can't send plex but I've made a small isk donation. This is more than worthy and well done for trying to organise it.
Whether you do or don't donate outside of here isn't the point. The point is helping someone out however you do it and this is a good way for eve players to collectively say we've done something that will help people in RL who need it.
The least CCP can do is support this. Better yet if they organised an event where all salvaged material worth was donated. That would be worth going to Doril for and would be more fun.
No one is making this compulsory so why the negative posts? |
Nanatoa
441
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:53:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Nanatoa,
I am logged in game, please convo me on this character (I can't find you online).
I put up a contract for 4 PLEX in Jita to the character Ishkahunta shortly after you posted.
Just put up the 0.0 PLEX in a 3 day or longer contract and I'll accept it later.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4539
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:04:00 -
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Nanatoa wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Nanatoa,
I am logged in game, please convo me on this character (I can't find you online). I put up a contract for 4 PLEX in Jita to the character Ishkahunta shortly after you posted. Just put up the 0.0 PLEX in a 3 day or longer contract and I'll accept it later.
I have sent you the first 2, please accept them so I can send the other 2. They are in different stations, the alt has no contracting skills so I can only have 1 outstanding contract. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
White Mountain Coalition
516
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:19:00 -
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I am space poor at the moment but I can sell some assets to buy plex and help out, |
Felicity Love
Nighthawk Exploration
982
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:33:00 -
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Good intentions aside -- which I respect and applaud -- let me be the "Devil's Advocate" and say that charity begins at home.
Consider the less fortunate on your own streets of your own communities, and those in your daily lives that need the noble gesture of your charity just as much as someone, anyone, anywhere else in the world.
Just thought I'd throw a little context out there, where Charity is concerned. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4540
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:35:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Nanatoa wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Nanatoa,
I am logged in game, please convo me on this character (I can't find you online). I put up a contract for 4 PLEX in Jita to the character Ishkahunta shortly after you posted. Just put up the 0.0 PLEX in a 3 day or longer contract and I'll accept it later. I have sent you the first 2, please accept them so I can send the other 2. They are in different stations, the alt has no contracting skills so I can only have 1 outstanding contract.
I have trained the alt with the skills to create more contracts so now you have all PLEXes contracted up.
Contract 1 screenshot.
Contract 2 screenshot.
I have redacted part of the station names.
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