Please don't CCP. Don't kill EVE to save the phillipines. And you WILL kill EVE by increasing PLEX price much more.

As i am not familiar with the mechanic behind your idea, i assume we donate isk? If so, i don't have much to give but i'd be happy to donate, even if i can just afford a low million sum.

How selfish. People are dying and all you care about is how much you have to mine to keep your account active.

Confirming EVE is a game of kind and selfless people.

The mechanic works as follows: during "nothing is going on" times (years) I slowly gather donations from players.

When an emergency happens, CCP makes a special character available where to send PLEXes and they convert those PLEXes back into money and donate them to Red Cross or other appointed charities.


Therefore, players ISK donations usually happen outside of emergencies.
Of course if an emergency happens I do a "call for arms" and a lot of people send donations at the last minute, but I don't care if I have to do 90 jumps again (finding low priced PLEXes to donate more of those), what matters is that in those poor countries, 10 dollars can EASILY save a life and 4,000 dollars are a lot of lives that may be saved!

Imagine this: you play the ONE game where you can save REAL lives just by playing!

Fully behind this. I have been donating to VAERT for years and this seems to be a situation where CCP could do some genuine good with the money.

You could just send a check to the Red Cross... just a suggestion

Why not actually send them money, rather than use in game isk to cover your donations?
Giving money out of your pocket means something, giving meaningless money from within a game is just weak.

Screw this crap. You want to help out the Philippines. Donate your time and/or money to one of the relief organizations.

A list can be found here: Typhoon Haiyan Relief Organizations

You could just send a check to the Red Cross... just a suggestion

Screw this crap. You want to help out the Philippines. Donate your time and/or money to one of the relief organizations.

A list can be found here: Typhoon Haiyan Relief Organizations

Why not actually send them money, rather than use in game isk to cover your donations?
Giving money out of your pocket means something, giving meaningless money from within a game is just weak.

Screw this crap. You want to help out the Philippines. Donate your time and/or money to one of the relief organizations.

A list can be found here: Typhoon Haiyan Relief Organizations

Why not actually send them money, rather than use in game isk to cover your donations?
Giving money out of your pocket means something, giving meaningless money from within a game is just weak.

Screw this crap. You want to help out the Philippines. Donate your time and/or money to one of the relief organizations.

A list can be found here: Typhoon Haiyan Relief Organizations

but CCP have done this before, as you know, because you followed the links in the OP, and, as you know because you clicked the links, there is currently 76b being held in funds for emergency relief.

+4 PLEX on contract.

If CCP wants to continue donating to charity through PLEX, it might be a good idea just for them to set up a system in game for people to do it whenever people want. Instead of picking your disaster, just make donations to the Red Cross, International Red Cross, or Red Crescent. This way anyone that wants to donate, whenever, for whatever, can.

Be a lot easier, ethical?, to do this than just for the disasters that reach a level of criterion to warrant special consideration based on what one human's evaluation of "need" is for all people who want to donate in game.

Either that or just say we won't be doing plex for charity anymore.

But this random donations to "major" disasters is problematic.

Donating to charity is a simple task.

Donating by proxy is ineffective and time consuming and it's not how I'd address a simple task like donating.

This. They need help now, not pretend money handed out by a company with a less than stellar track record of organising things.

You contracted them in an inaccessible sov 0.0 station.

Considering the client is only allowing me to reverse-redeem them back to the same station, I don't see how I may get them.

This. They need help now, not pretend money handed out by a company with a less than stellar track record of organising things.

Take them and I'll swap them for PLEX in Jita. (I contract you 4 PLEX in Jita and you contract me the PLEX in whereever.)

Nanatoa,

I am logged in game, please convo me on this character (I can't find you online).

I put up a contract for 4 PLEX in Jita to the character Ishkahunta shortly after you posted.
Just put up the 0.0 PLEX in a 3 day or longer contract and I'll accept it later.

I have sent you the first 2, please accept them so I can send the other 2. They are in different stations, the alt has no contracting skills so I can only have 1 outstanding contract.

People do not need a donation a week or 2 from now. They need help now. Go down to your local Red Cross, donate some blood, plasma, can food, blankets, money, or ask them how you can help. Get off your computers and go.

Hello,

let's do this.

I will try make CCP increase their PR record by organizing this.


Even if CCP won't authorize this drive, we - that is me and you - will give the example by donating $100 each to the Philippines Red Cross or Doctors Without Borders - Philippines at your choice.

I have written $100 because that's the minimum you can specify in the Red Cross selector.

Are you game?

Show not CCP's, but your own track record.

My father teached me: "always put your money where your tongue is".

People do not need a donation a week or 2 from now. They need help now. Go down to your local Red Cross, donate some blood, plasma, can food, blankets, money, or ask them how you can help. Get off your computers and go.

People do need things a week or two from now, when the TV cameras have gone away, this is a region which is still suffering from the earthquake a month or so back. The recovery takes longer than a few weeks...just ask the people in New Orleans.

People do not need a donation a week or 2 from now. They need help now. Go down to your local Red Cross, donate some blood, plasma, can food, blankets, money, or ask them how you can help. Get off your computers and go.

Its just a way to scam people......

If someone uses this initiative to scam you, then please report it immediately through a petition ingame. Our game masters will permanently ban anyone who uses this initiative for helping the victims of the disaster to scam other players. Not only is this unethical behavior, it also potentially reduces the amount of money our players are able to send to donate, which is unacceptable.

That's not going to be feasible as CCP are not going to be willing to leave an open door for unlimited amounts of what is effectively their money to flood out of their coffers. Of course, they will be able to write these donations off against tax but they will certainly want to directly control the flow by limiting it to short windows.

People do not need a donation a week or 2 from now. They need help now. Go down to your local Red Cross, donate some blood, plasma, can food, blankets, money, or ask them how you can help. Get off your computers and go.

So, challenge accepted, mate?

I did my duty, I am waiting for you now. I know it's unelegant to post donations but this is not a show off, I have to prove it's real, we are in EvE after all.

First round of proofs: screenshots. Second round of proofs: video of it being done, I'll probably be able to post it tomorrow (now it's late here).

Just in case you folks didn't know, cash you donate today doesn't go straight to the current disaster du jour. Typically, charities run one disaster behind when it comes to funding. Today's cash goes in the pot, what was collected last time goes to the current relief effort.

Honestly, the best type of disaster aid you can provide is donating blood. You donate blood in your area, it has a follow-on ripple effect down the line, freeing up resources to send out to (current disaster). Direct cash into the general fund is also excellent. Material goods are almost worthless, TBH. Nobody wants your old socks.

My personal fav charity to help is Doctors Without Borders. Great guys and gals who do a ton of good out there.

If I understand correctly, you tell to donate blood because donating cash won't go immediately to the populations in need.

The next paragraph however you tell that if you donate blood it is going to have a ripple effect down the line. That is, it won't go immediately to the populations in need.

Now, while I admire those who would donate blood and similar, in this specific contingency money has way easier "logistics" getting over there than blood and similar. I don't think that i.e. 5 flagons of blood are going to get all the costs and efforts to get taken and sent over thousands miles, whereas a guy living at the Philippines would be the one able to donate blood that shall get where it's needed.

In the end pick a choice, but do it. I have picked money as I live so far (Canary Islands) that anything else won't get there. Paypal sent money will.

Where I live, one unit of O+ blood is effectively a ~$180 USD donation to the red cross (if donated at the red cross). The money they charge for the blood covers the logistics of the product and provides capital for other red cross programs.

tl;dr Red cross turns your blood into money. If you are american, A LOT of money.... Just an idea for the ISK and cash poor of us.

Effectively what I was getting at, yeah. They don't physically send the units of blood you donate overseas, it gets very quickly sold locally, and that cash goes into the red cross coffers. The follow-on is, every unit acquired locally is another unit not having to be brought in from outside. That can ripple down the chain, so that blood closest to the disaster zone DOES get sent. IIRC, they were telling people around Sandy NOT to donate blood, they had plenty, but to donate locally so funds could get moved. Sparing a pint of the red stuff is a lot easier on people than sparing ~$200.

Now, if you really feel like being efficient, bring your laptop to the blood center, and grind ISK for a PLEX donation while you have the needle in your arm.

How selfish. People are dying and all you care about is how much you have to mine to keep your account active.

There is more than 6 billion of people on the Earth. They all WILL DIE in 60-70 years (to free space for new people who will born). You can calculate how many people is dying every second just because of natural life cycle. I predict numbers in thousand range....

...or we could just donate some money or blood to the red cross rather than trying to turn every tragedy into a marketing ploy disguised as a social event? It's not hard to donate almost anything to them and they are the boots on the ground.

http://www.redcross.org.ph/donate

Why not just give money without the need of bringing eve in the picture?

...or we could just donate some money or blood to the red cross rather than trying to turn every tragedy into a marketing ploy disguised as a social event? It's not hard to donate almost anything to them and they are the boots on the ground.

http://www.redcross.org.ph/donate

Excuse me for playing Devils Advocate here but this sounds like it could be abused way too easy.

Is there any accountability? You say you collect donations throughout the year and IF a disaster happens you donate the isk to
the character that CCP created. What happens to the isk if there was no disaster that made the news?

How much do you keep to yourself? This is EVE after all... Scams are part of the game... is this a scam?

With no accountability You will get no iskies from me and about accountability... is Somer Blink going to be the "Trusted party"?

After all they are doing a service to the community.

Excuse me for playing Devils Advocate here but this sounds like it could be abused way too easy.

Is there any accountability? You say you collect donations throughout the year and IF a disaster happens you donate the isk to
the character that CCP created. What happens to the isk if there was no disaster that made the news?

How much do you keep to yourself? This is EVE after all... Scams are part of the game... is this a scam?

With no accountability You will get no iskies from me and about accountability... is Somer Blink going to be the "Trusted party"?

After all they are doing a service to the community.

Excuse me for playing Devils Advocate here but this sounds like it could be abused way too easy.

Is there any accountability? You say you collect donations throughout the year and IF a disaster happens you donate the isk to
the character that CCP created. What happens to the isk if there was no disaster that made the news?

How much do you keep to yourself? This is EVE after all... Scams are part of the game... is this a scam?

With no accountability You will get no iskies from me and about accountability... is Somer Blink going to be the "Trusted party"?

After all they are doing a service to the community.

Excuse me for playing Devils Advocate here but this sounds like it could be abused way too easy.

Is there any accountability? You say you collect donations throughout the year and IF a disaster happens you donate the isk to
the character that CCP created. What happens to the isk if there was no disaster that made the news?

How much do you keep to yourself? This is EVE after all... Scams are part of the game... is this a scam?

With no accountability You will get no iskies from me and about accountability... is Somer Blink going to be the "Trusted party"?

After all they are doing a service to the community.

Come on CCP do this! Not only does it help real people in need, it is also great publicity. This is the sort of thing that makes EVE special and that I would be proud to tell my friends about.

I have a char I will sell with all proceeds going towards this drive

Sale thread for the char:


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3864340#post3864340

Please before doing drastic stuff like selling characters, T2 BPOs and whatever check that CCP actually does the Philippines charity drive.

As I have written earlier, the bylaws of the charity forbid to ever take away a single ISK it gets (100% goes only to CCP). So, in the event CCP won't reply or won't do anything, I could not reimburse you.

CCP only helps rich countries like Japan.

At a certain point CCP opened to direct ISK charity transters. In that case they'd do very good for the game, because the charity drive would not stress PLEXes but would act as much needed ISK sink.

Hilmar is famous for letting dust settle before addressing issues... we need another 40something page threadnought to reassure CCP that the problem hasn't gone away by itself.

Hilmar is famous for letting dust settle before addressing issues... we need another 40something page threadnought to reassure CCP that the problem hasn't gone away by itself.

Anyway if I have to be honest, I'd have appreciated a reply.

If I created a troll thread talking of boobs I'd have 2-3 dev replies by now.

Why not for an humanitarian initiative?

If anyone has actually seen the Philipphines up close they know no amount of money could help that country. Before this tragedy happened this country was already wrecked. This money will be a wasted endeavor just to make 1st world folks feel good about themselves thinking they will solve problems. Face facts, your money will be waisted. Your temporary feeling of moral superiority will only make you feel good. It terms of pragmatic practicality it does nothing...

If anyone has actually seen the Philipphines up close they know no amount of money could help that country. Before this tragedy happened this country was already wrecked. This money will be a wasted endeavor just to make 1st world folks feel good about themselves thinking they will solve problems. Face facts, your money will be waisted. Your temporary feeling of moral superiority will only make you feel good. It terms of pragmatic practicality it does nothing.

Enjoy your 1st world problems, and not solving issues in the real world. Mother nature is a nasty *****, your dollars mean **** to nature.

Thx,

Really? People from that country who live elsewhere are sending money back to provide clean water, shelter for people there, and when the earthquake hit, money was sent directly.

You seem to be confusing "getting emergency aid to people who are freezing and starving and without clean water" with "Turning a place into a first world country".

Also, you seem to be under the impression that the Philippines is some backwater country. That is nice, and for sure, parts of it are off the beaten track, but to think it is some place stuck 200 years in the past developmentally is....quaint.

In terms of pragmatic practicality, providing emergency shelter, clean water, and other basic human needs to people is about as helpful as can be.

Can we stop nature pooping on the Philippines? Nope, but then, we couldn't stop Katrina, or the Earthquakes in Japan, Haiti, or Mount St Helens, or any other disaster. Fortunately however, we have an ability to try to prevent people dying from a lack of basic human needs.

If anyone has actually seen the Philipphines up close they know no amount of money could help that country. Before this tragedy happened this country was already wrecked. This money will be a wasted endeavor just to make 1st world folks feel good about themselves thinking they will solve problems. Face facts, your money will be waisted. Your temporary feeling of moral superiority will only make you feel good. In terms of pragmatic practicality it does nothing.

Enjoy your 1st world problems, and not solving issues in the real world. You want to make a difference you actually do, there is no other solution. Mother nature is a nasty *****, your dollars mean **** to nature.

Thx,

If anyone has actually seen the Philipphines up close they know no amount of money could help that country. Before this tragedy happened this country was already wrecked. This money will be a wasted endeavor just to make 1st world folks feel good about themselves thinking they will solve problems. Face facts, your money will be waisted. Your temporary feeling of moral superiority will only make you feel good. In terms of pragmatic practicality it does nothing.

Enjoy your 1st world problems, and not solving issues in the real world. You want to make a difference you actually do, there is no other solution. Mother nature is a nasty *****, your dollars mean **** to nature.

Anyway if I have to be honest, I'd have appreciated a reply.

If I created a troll thread talking of boobs I'd have 2-3 dev replies by now.

Wow! You're so tough and worldly. Help the rest of us be cynical defeatists like you, please! I'm sure it's for the best.

On a side note, your arguments are ****.

You can throw your money at the problem as you wish, it wont solve a thing. People here in the West dont care about the Philippines, what they do care about is to make themselves feel good that they are making a difference with the money they send over. I'm looking at what good was done since the 2004 Tsunami relief or the Haiti earthquake. All that was done was temporary feelings of self gratification that good deeds were done. But its a frugal exercise to donate 10$ to give someone food or water for a day. Same thing with when you have aid organizations giving food to nations in Africa. You give people the tools to become independent, not reliant consistently on the outside world. You want food for your people, here are the tools we will give you to grow, not consecutive hand outs that solve nothing. You want problems to not persist during emergencies, then fund the neccessary government organizations to do the hardwork through the national tax process & not pass it over to NGO's that'll be eager to waste a good chunk of the money on administrative costs. Let it be a government venture not a NGO venture.

Some of us know people who are directly affected by the typhoon, and they certainly do not see money being sent to provide basic stuff as wasted, or useless. They also do not think the money raised that they sent directly after the earthquake is wasted, and neither is the money they themselves are taking over.

To compare food aid to a country or development aid, to aid after one of the strongest storms ever to make landfall is....a bizarre comparison. Problems "persisting" during this emergency include, but are not limited to "Holy crap, my house doesnt exist" "our water is full of sewage". Now, I am not sure what you suggest is best for preventing these problems, as even one of the richest cities in the world suffered with a lack of utilities after a wind several orders of magnitude smaller last year.

Bearing in mind that alleged 1st world countries need assistance after disasters....and almost 10 years down the road are still not functioning as before....

You want problems to not persist during emergencies, then fund the neccessary government organizations to do the hardwork through the national tax process & not pass it over to NGO's that'll be eager to waste a good chunk of the money on administrative costs. Let it be a government venture not a NGO venture.

...You want problems to not persist during emergencies, then fund the neccessary government organizations to do the hardwork through the national tax process & not pass it over to NGO's that'll be eager to waste a good chunk of the money on administrative costs. Let it be a government venture not a NGO venture.

Please take your politics into a separate thread....

Thanks for injecting a little comic relief into the conversation. I didn't realize you were joking in your first couple posts because of the serious nature of the topic. But adding the "government = low administrative costs" line, even I get it now.

A newborn player has just sent 10M to the charity: probably all he had. He also opted to remain anonymous.

I am going to send him 100M off my personal wallet for the gesture!

/bows

Why not actually send them money, rather than use in game isk to cover your donations?
Giving money out of your pocket means something, giving meaningless money from within a game is just weak.

This is the link to the CCP twitter response.

Imagine this: you play the ONE game where you can save REAL lives just by playing!

still waiting on CCP
on a side note, I may just donate the bo amount on my auction myself and cancel my char auction, had a few ******* emails which make me despair with the eve community

still waiting on CCP
on a side note, I may just donate the bo amount on my auction myself and cancel my char auction, had a few ******* emails which make me despair with the eve community.

Sale cancelled and 10b donation sent

Second, by doing this, CCP and you promote EVE via charity and can help bring people into the game.

Opposition to previous charity drives nearly made me loose faith in the Eve community. The opposition was especially intense for the Pakistan drive where the prevalent sentiment appeared to be, "they deserve what they got, so let them die."

I don't remember the Pakistan one, only Haiti and Japan. Must have missed it somehow.

Didn't get past page one but that must be officially the most depressing thread ever.

Glad to see CCP managed to raise 40k even so.

Sorry if this comment does not belong here but....

I have an idea for the future of EVE and a chance for CCP to give back easily & all the time. My idea is that CCP takes all the ISK that gets taken but goes no where. You know the ISK that I give to a station for the use of its facilities or w.e. The ISK that just goes to no one in EVE. I forget what that is called a ISK drain maybe I don't know. CCP could take all that ISK & instead of making it disappear they could collect it. They could either take all of the ISK or a certain % of it & use that to give to charities. They could hold monthly, quarterly, or w.e events. Where we the players vote on a charity to give that months or w.e earnings to a charity. These events could also be used by players to set up their own player events. Where they get their corps/alliances to just dump massive amounts of ISK into the drains. Then CCP could just put a simple poll up on the website of charities for us to choose from. We could even give the isk to top 3 (maybe top 5 or however many the math lets us) most voted for instead of just 1 charity. OP your group could lead the charge for this change. Now I don't know the mechanics behind these "ISK drains" and maybe it wont work but it was just a thought. Once again I am sorry if this was too off topic.

Sorry if this comment does not belong here but....

I have an idea for the future of EVE and a chance for CCP to give back easily & all the time. My idea is that CCP takes all the ISK that gets taken but goes no where. You know the ISK that I give to a station for the use of its facilities or w.e. The ISK that just goes to no one in EVE. I forget what that is called a ISK drain maybe I don't know. CCP could take all that ISK & instead of making it disappear they could collect it. They could either take all of the ISK or a certain % of it & use that to give to charities. They could hold monthly, quarterly, or w.e events. Where we the players vote on a charity to give that months or w.e earnings to a charity. These events could also be used by players to set up their own player events. Where they get their corps/alliances to just dump massive amounts of ISK into the drains. Then CCP could just put a simple poll up on the website of charities for us to choose from. We could even give the isk to top 3 (maybe top 5 or however many the math lets us) most voted for instead of just 1 charity. OP your group could lead the charge for this change. Now I don't know the mechanics behind these "ISK drains" and maybe it wont work but it was just a thought. Once again I am sorry if this was too off topic.

A newborn player has just sent 10M to the charity: probably all he had. He also opted to remain anonymous.

I am going to send him 100M off my personal wallet for the gesture!

/bows

Why not actually send them money, rather than use in game isk to cover your donations?
Giving money out of your pocket means something, giving meaningless money from within a game is just weak.

There's a dev reply in the duplicate thread which was bumped excessively.

Think I'm going to refrain from commenting.

Reminds me of Supertramp and becoming cynical...