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Rhivre TarNec Invisible Exchequer 544	Posted - 2013.11.11 12:01:00 - [91] - Quote It's good to hear they have heard of the initiative :)
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 4562	Posted - 2013.11.11 13:21:00 - [92] - Quote Here's the official text of the in game petition to CCP. I have modified it so it's not a post of an in game ticket, but it faithfully keeps the spirit of the request. Hello, Some days ago I have publicly (on the forums) received a reply from CCP Eterne stating that CCP is still up for charity initiatives. Now, the Philippines disaster happened and it's THE time to start a "PLEX for good" charity initiative. I and others have donated some RL money to the Philippines Red Cross but more can be done. I am the manager of the VAERT (Vahrokh's Emergengies Relief Trust) whose only reason to exist is to provide lots of PLEXes in case of CCP charity drives. This charity, whose launch thread is located here is running since 2011 and has delivered $4,286 in the PLEX for Japan initiative. CCP CEO Hilmar even featured VAERT during a past Fanfest. A quite popular launch thread about this initiative is currently running in General Discussion. We are here to help, please let us help Philippines now! Signed, Vaerah Vahrokha and many other players Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
March rabbit True Horde 868	Posted - 2013.11.11 13:27:00 - [93] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: Obunagawe wrote: Please don't CCP. Don't kill EVE to save the phillipines. And you WILL kill EVE by increasing PLEX price much more. How selfish. People are dying and all you care about is how much you have to mine to keep your account active. There is more than 6 billion of people on the Earth. They all WILL DIE in 60-70 years (to free space for new people who will born). You can calculate how many people is dying every second just because of natural life cycle. I predict numbers in thousand range....
Rhivre TarNec Invisible Exchequer 546	Posted - 2013.11.11 13:39:00 - [94] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Riot Girl wrote: Obunagawe wrote: Please don't CCP. Don't kill EVE to save the phillipines. And you WILL kill EVE by increasing PLEX price much more. How selfish. People are dying and all you care about is how much you have to mine to keep your account active. There is more than 6 billion of people on the Earth. They all WILL DIE in 60-70 years (to free space for new people who will born). You can calculate how many people is dying every second just because of natural life cycle. I predict numbers in thousand range.... Statistics and cohort models are great fun. I shall be sure to pass along the sentiment :) The $1900 equivalent sitting waiting already will hopefully help keep those numbers closer to the "natural life cycle"
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 588	Posted - 2013.11.11 14:14:00 - [95] - Quote ...or we could just donate some money or blood to the red cross rather than trying to turn every tragedy into a marketing ploy disguised as a social event? It's not hard to donate almost anything to them and they are the boots on the ground. http://www.redcross.org.ph/donate
Rhivre TarNec Invisible Exchequer 547	Posted - 2013.11.11 14:25:00 - [96] - Quote Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote: ...or we could just donate some money or blood to the red cross rather than trying to turn every tragedy into a marketing ploy disguised as a social event? It's not hard to donate almost anything to them and they are the boots on the ground. http://www.redcross.org.ph/donate It has been covered that a) these things are not mutually exclusive. b) not everyone has enough money to be able to donate more IRL than ingame (in dollar values), c) not everyone can give blood, d) the people in the Philippines, and the Red cross etc don't give a flying **** where the money comes from.
Daisai Daisai Investments. 174	Posted - 2013.11.11 14:44:00 - [97] - Quote Why not just give money without the need of bringing eve in the picture?
Rhivre TarNec Invisible Exchequer 547	Posted - 2013.11.11 14:50:00 - [98] - Quote Daisai wrote: Why not just give money without the need of bringing eve in the picture? This has been covered several times. Across several funds, there is already 76bn put aside for emergency relief causes. This is ISK which is already earmarked for these purposes. You can do both. Some of us are not lucky enough to have $100 dollars or so IRL cash lying around, but, we have the equivalent in ingame assets. This is not the first time CCP have done this, and they are not alone in gaming raising funds for good causes. (Extra Life etc). This is players wanting to have the ability to utilise the funds already put aside (as you know cos you read the OP), as well as get a few billion extra.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 4569	Posted - 2013.11.11 14:54:00 - [99] - Quote Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote: ...or we could just donate some money or blood to the red cross rather than trying to turn every tragedy into a marketing ploy disguised as a social event? It's not hard to donate almost anything to them and they are the boots on the ground. http://www.redcross.org.ph/donate In case you missed it in the previous page, I have given a practical example of donating ALSO for the Red Cross. Actually, you could give the good example by joining me and posting here your RL donation receipt. Give the example, not empty words. Empty words don't help anyone. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc 915	Posted - 2013.11.11 15:23:00 - [100] - Quote Bumping for a good cause. CCP are probably only just getting past their morning coffee at work, so I am sure they will get to this soon. Obviously internal decisions have to be made with regard to this (make the right one CCP), so we shouldn't get on their case just yet, give them time. Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
StudleyManiac Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude 4	Posted - 2013.11.11 15:54:00 - [101] - Quote Excuse me for playing Devils Advocate here but this sounds like it could be abused way too easy. Is there any accountability? You say you collect donations throughout the year and IF a disaster happens you donate the isk to the character that CCP created. What happens to the isk if there was no disaster that made the news? How much do you keep to yourself? This is EVE after all... Scams are part of the game... is this a scam? With no accountability You will get no iskies from me and about accountability... is Somer Blink going to be the "Trusted party"? After all they are doing a service to the community.
Rhivre TarNec Invisible Exchequer 551	Posted - 2013.11.11 16:18:00 - [102] - Quote StudleyManiac wrote: Excuse me for playing Devils Advocate here but this sounds like it could be abused way too easy. Is there any accountability? You say you collect donations throughout the year and IF a disaster happens you donate the isk to the character that CCP created. What happens to the isk if there was no disaster that made the news? How much do you keep to yourself? This is EVE after all... Scams are part of the game... is this a scam? With no accountability You will get no iskies from me and about accountability... is Somer Blink going to be the "Trusted party"? After all they are doing a service to the community. Did you click any of the links?
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 4574	Posted - 2013.11.11 16:57:00 - [103] - Quote StudleyManiac wrote: Excuse me for playing Devils Advocate here but this sounds like it could be abused way too easy. Is there any accountability? You say you collect donations throughout the year and IF a disaster happens you donate the isk to the character that CCP created. What happens to the isk if there was no disaster that made the news? How much do you keep to yourself? This is EVE after all... Scams are part of the game... is this a scam? With no accountability You will get no iskies from me and about accountability... is Somer Blink going to be the "Trusted party"? After all they are doing a service to the community. You are welcome, this is EvE after all. I am not going to bring in details about my years records, current facts matter. - First of all, VAERT already have got the ISK to donate. Actually, VAERT is asking to give them away. Therefore a big scam motivator does not exist to begin with. - There are special clauses (linked earlier in this very thread) written by CCP. Basically scamming on these things is worse than scamming on characters sales. - When disasters don't happen, the fund actually begins to work. Donations trickle in over the years, the fund exists exactly to orderly hold and accrue residual ISK people feel free to place somewhere for a possible future charity drive. - When the disaster happens, then the accrued ISK are converted into PLEX and forwarded to a special CCP character that takes them and turns them into real money to send to RL charities. - The trusted party is myself. Feel free to browse my records on Market Discussions to see why and how. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Samroski Games Inc. The Night Crew Alliance 297	Posted - 2013.11.11 17:25:00 - [104] - Quote StudleyManiac wrote: Excuse me for playing Devils Advocate here but this sounds like it could be abused way too easy. Is there any accountability? You say you collect donations throughout the year and IF a disaster happens you donate the isk to the character that CCP created. What happens to the isk if there was no disaster that made the news? How much do you keep to yourself? This is EVE after all... Scams are part of the game... is this a scam? With no accountability You will get no iskies from me and about accountability... is Somer Blink going to be the "Trusted party"? After all they are doing a service to the community. Scamming in this context will not be tolerated by CCP. Vaerah Vahrokha is as trustworthy as anyone can be in Eve, and is fully committed towards managing this fund. If you can afford to buy a PLEX, you might as well donate it directly. The fund in question becomes especially useful if (a) you want to donate a small amount i.e. less than PLEX value (b) you are taking a break from Eve, or do not want to be bothered with the details/procedure to donate, and want to ensure that your hard earned ISK gets put to good use. Any colour you like.
RAW23 481	Posted - 2013.11.11 17:39:00 - [105] - Quote StudleyManiac wrote: Excuse me for playing Devils Advocate here but this sounds like it could be abused way too easy. Is there any accountability? You say you collect donations throughout the year and IF a disaster happens you donate the isk to the character that CCP created. What happens to the isk if there was no disaster that made the news? How much do you keep to yourself? This is EVE after all... Scams are part of the game... is this a scam? With no accountability You will get no iskies from me and about accountability... is Somer Blink going to be the "Trusted party"? After all they are doing a service to the community. A couple of points to make on this. a) VV ran this programme for a while between the first and second PLEX for Good drives and delivered about 100bil of PLEX to the second one. He then closed the programme down honourably having distributed all the cash he gathered. The programme was restarted not because VV went cap in hand to people asking for donations but because I kind of pressured him into starting it up again, despite all the work it takes to administer, by dumping a significant donation on him. b) VV and affiliated donors and supporters (including myself, Grendell, Chribba and others) have discussed in recent months the question of whether there will ever be another PLEX for Good drive. My assumption when pushing VV to get this going again after the Japan drive was that another one would happen fairly soon. However, it has now been more than two years since the last one so VV recently petitioned CCP to find out if they intended to do another. His position is that if CCP state they will not do any more of these then donors will have their funds returned. If they leave the possibility open (and CCP Eterne's reply in VV's thread a few weeks ago did just that) then the funds will remain in place awaiting their day. As you can see, VV is rather keen to get rid of the 70-80bil of PLEX he has already collected in the last two years! That is why he is here pushing for CCP to activate the programme again now. c) VV keeps nothing for himself. d) Accountability - VV has managed hundreds of billions of public funds in the last four years, including managing the donation of 100bil to the last PLEX drive, and has been the trusted third party auditor for a significant number of businesses. He maintains open books on this project so everyone can see what's going on. This, combined with CCP's assurance that no one is allowed to scam around this programme (CCP do not allow scamming in relation to PLEX for Good; they have publicly stated that anyone using this scheme to scam will receive an immediate and permanent ban) provides a great deal of security, since anyone can always petition CCP to check that VV's claims are true. In addition, VV has recognised throughout that individuals might not trust him with their isk and so has put in place 'sister funds' run by some of the most trusted figures in the game that can be donated to instead. There is a sister fund run by Chribba, for example, and Grendell also manages a portion of the isk. In short, if you don't trust VV that is not an obstacle to donating. Read the linked thread and send your donation to Chribba instead if you prefer. There are two types of EVE player: those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Dracnys 42	Posted - 2013.11.11 18:13:00 - [106] - Quote Come on CCP do this! Not only does it help real people in need, it is also great publicity. This is the sort of thing that makes EVE special and that I would be proud to tell my friends about.
Xuixien Attitude Adjustment Incorporated 493	Posted - 2013.11.11 18:26:00 - [107] - Quote Philippines* AUT5M - Active HiSec/WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Inquire within. 5mSP minimum, full API required.
Rhivre TarNec Invisible Exchequer 553	Posted - 2013.11.11 22:06:00 - [108] - Quote Dracnys wrote: Come on CCP do this! Not only does it help real people in need, it is also great publicity. This is the sort of thing that makes EVE special and that I would be proud to tell my friends about. Agreed. I was hoping for at least a "Hi guys, we have seen your thread and are discussing it", outside of the unofficial stuff
Liam Li The Graduates RAZOR Alliance 75	Posted - 2013.11.12 00:43:00 - [109] - Quote Being Filipino myself +1 I'd give all the isk I have to the fund.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 4606	Posted - 2013.11.12 07:25:00 - [110] - Quote Could we pretty please get an answer? There's people dying out there. Despite having sent RL currency to Red Cross Philippines, I feel very bad holding thousands of dollars on behalf of many people and doing nothing. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Nanatoa 445	Posted - 2013.11.12 09:51:00 - [111] - Quote It seems petitions about skill point loss get answered within a few days whereas petitions regarding, for example, a 16B scam in a CCP-endorsed event get stuck in queue for 35+ days. It's all about priorities. "Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Phoenix Jones Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking 251	Posted - 2013.11.12 11:55:00 - [112] - Quote Its a good cause. As much as I despise the Red Cross and there rediculous administrative overhead fee.. There are few other organizations capable of dealing with mass widespread disasters. Yea this should be endorsed Stabbers are totally broken http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15116553
Aelisha Achura-Waschi Exchange 269	Posted - 2013.11.12 12:04:00 - [113] - Quote Lending my voice to the endorsement of Vaerah and her scheme. I am away from the game at present due to work, but will endeavour to donate a few PLEX to the cause if I get back online in time. Failing that, I have already donated to a relief fund, but as Rhivre and many others have pointed out, when IRL cash is limited for philanthropy, the ability to monetise virtual assets to potentially save lives is a powerful thing. Make this happen CCP - VV has done all the hard work for you, get on the phone to the relief organisations and let him give you his, and our, money! CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: An International trade corporation that adheres to State values Intaki born State Citizen and supporter of the Practicals Bloc.
Krashion Angry Dragon Research and Production 17	Posted - 2013.11.12 12:45:00 - [114] - Quote I have a char I will sell with all proceeds going towards this drive Sale thread for the char: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3864340#post3864340
Samroski Games Inc. The Night Crew Alliance 302	Posted - 2013.11.12 13:16:00 - [115] - Quote Krashion wrote: I have a char I will sell with all proceeds going towards this drive Sale thread for the char: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3864340#post3864340 That is a great gesture, and gives me the idea for auctioning off a T2 BPO that I have. A significant proportion of the sale price will go to charity. The higher the sale price, the more goes to charity. Will work on a formula where 100% goes to charity if the bids reach a certain value. This is, of course, if CCP decide to open the PLEX for Good drive. Any colour you like.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 4613	Posted - 2013.11.12 13:49:00 - [116] - Quote Please before doing drastic stuff like selling characters, T2 BPOs and whatever check that CCP actually does the Philippines charity drive. As I have written earlier, the bylaws of the charity forbid to ever take away a single ISK it gets (100% goes only to CCP). So, in the event CCP won't reply or won't do anything, I could not reimburse you. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Rhivre TarNec Invisible Exchequer 554	Posted - 2013.11.12 13:50:00 - [117] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Please before doing drastic stuff like selling characters, T2 BPOs and whatever check that CCP actually does the Philippines charity drive. As I have written earlier, the bylaws of the charity forbid to ever take away a single ISK it gets (100% goes only to CCP). So, in the event CCP won't reply or won't do anything, I could not reimburse you. Hopefully we hear back from CCP soon (tm).
Krashion Angry Dragon Research and Production 20	Posted - 2013.11.12 13:54:00 - [118] - Quote yep, CCP need to reply to this thread and agree to do the drive.
MestariBation Fistful of Finns Bearf0rce One 15	Posted - 2013.11.12 13:58:00 - [119] - Quote CCP only helps rich countries like Japan.
Octoven Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming 253	Posted - 2013.11.12 14:04:00 - [120] - Quote I support this cause, despite those who are resistant. After all, what can it harm us? As for the comment regarding donating isk being a lower form of donation...how dare you try to demean someone's ability to help. Who are you to determine what is and isn't a proper means of donating. EVE revolves around ISK and if I can in some way help by playing a game rather than sending real cash that I may not have. I would be happy to.

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