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Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
155
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:36:00 -
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People do not need a donation a week or 2 from now. They need help now. Go down to your local Red Cross, donate some blood, plasma, can food, blankets, money, or ask them how you can help. Get off your computers and go. |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
542
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:41:00 -
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People do need things a week or two from now, when the TV cameras have gone away, this is a region which is still suffering from the earthquake a month or so back. The recovery takes longer than a few weeks...just ask the people in New Orleans. |
RAW23
476
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:47:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:People do not need a donation a week or 2 from now. They need help now. Go down to your local Red Cross, donate some blood, plasma, can food, blankets, money, or ask them how you can help. Get off your computers and go.
Yes, do this as well. But donations to the Red Cross are a slightly strange beast. Nothing that you donate now will go directly to the disaster zone right now in any case. The RC will immediately send things they have in their stockpiles and the stockpiles will be replenished by the donations. Some of that replenishment may end up being sent out later but other materials will end up in their stocks for the next disaster. They do not sit and wait for donations before they act; rather they operate on a rolling basis, so any donations that come in will do good somewhere down the line. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4543
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:47:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Nam Dnilb wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Screw this crap. You want to help out the Philippines. Donate your time and/or money to one of the relief organizations. A list can be found here: Typhoon Haiyan Relief Organizations This. They need help now, not pretend money handed out by a company with a less than stellar track record of organising things. Hello, let's do this. I will try make CCP increase their PR record by organizing this. Even if CCP won't authorize this drive, we - that is me and you - will give the example by donating $100 each to the Philippines Red Cross or Doctors Without Borders - Philippines at your choice. I have written $100 because that's the minimum you can specify in the Red Cross selector. Are you game? Show not CCP's, but your own track record. My father teached me: "always put your money where your tongue is".
So, challenge accepted, mate?
I did my duty, I am waiting for you now. I know it's unelegant to post donations but this is not a show off, I have to prove it's real, we are in EvE after all.
First round of proofs: screenshots. Second round of proofs: video of it being done, I'll probably be able to post it tomorrow (now it's late here).
Step 1 Philippines Red Cross donation page. While I was there I picked the largest available option, but you, Nam Dnilb, feel free to choose another.
Step 2 Tabbing to see how much 10,000 Philippines Pesos are actually worth. I left copious examples in case somebody else wants to copy the donation in their currency.
Pane 1 Pane 2
Step 3 Actual donation
Step 4 Donation complete
So, now, everybody knows that it's plenty possible BOTH to donate to VAERT AND donate in RL. If I could do it, so you can. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4543
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:48:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:People do not need a donation a week or 2 from now. They need help now. Go down to your local Red Cross, donate some blood, plasma, can food, blankets, money, or ask them how you can help. Get off your computers and go.
Awaiting your Red Cross donation receipt mate. Money / blood / blankets talk. |
Rykker Bow
134
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:49:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:
People do need things a week or two from now, when the TV cameras have gone away, this is a region which is still suffering from the earthquake a month or so back. The recovery takes longer than a few weeks...just ask the people in New Orleans.
This, without a doubt. The recovery will take much longer than a couple weeks, then there are all the other disasters that are covered, from the family put out in the cold November street because their home burned to the ground to food banks to shelters.
What we can do with the here and now, is to use it as a social rally call, to band and bond together and create the buzz to get people motivated to donate now. Collect as much as we can at this point when everyone is talking about it to hedge against the times when there is no global call.
What we should not do is try to rate the quality of donations, saying one is better than the other. All forms of donations are for the best. |
Johan Civire
The Lyran Empire
701
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:50:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:People do not need a donation a week or 2 from now. They need help now. Go down to your local Red Cross, donate some blood, plasma, can food, blankets, money, or ask them how you can help. Get off your computers and go.
Its just a way to scam people......
Clearly i donate some blood and some real money for those poor people. |
Sidrat Flush
Deadly Harmony
161
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:52:00 -
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As a previous fundraiser for the red cross/crescent regular donations of a fixed amount is helpful a large one off donation is reat as well.
I dont see why CCP can't keep a character or three with different charities in mind to keep a regular fixed amount going with CCP prefix of course.
Woe betide anyone who tries to scam no steal Isk that's been donated for real life fund raising efforts.
The Sidrat Flush Outing fund is not a real charity. If you can't send real cash Send ingame ISK to the new ccp characyer or the OP or Chribba with the reason.
However small, all isk adds. Watch the dev announcement |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4543
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:52:00 -
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Kudos to:
Lost Hamster and Careby
For having put money where their mouth is. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1139
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:57:00 -
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If this takes off, any time I am in a position to offer a ship ransom, I will insist on the ISK going to this fund rather than to me. Will make for some interesting piracy.
"Give 2 PLEX/USD 30 to the Phillipines appeal, or your Machariel becomes scrap metal". |
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RAW23
478
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:00:00 -
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Johan Civire wrote:
Its just a way to scam people......
No it is not. In fact CCP has taken certain unique actions in relation to 'PLEX for Good' donations and has completely banned scamming in relation to them. Anyone attempting to scam under the PLEX for Good banner will be banned.
Quote: If someone uses this initiative to scam you, then please report it immediately through a petition ingame. Our game masters will permanently ban anyone who uses this initiative for helping the victims of the disaster to scam other players. Not only is this unethical behavior, it also potentially reduces the amount of money our players are able to send to donate, which is unacceptable.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/PLEX_for_GOOD#Someone_scammed_me.2C_pretending_to_be_CCP_PLEX_for_GOOD.21.21 |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4548
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:02:00 -
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Rhivre also put money where her mouth is. |
Rykker Bow
136
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:02:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha, please count me in for 4 PLEX and will contract over shortly. |
RAW23
478
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:05:00 -
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I'm a bit short at the mo but will be contracting one when my buy order fills. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4550
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:13:00 -
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Beware, those who send donations please be extremely aware of the fund's Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws available by reading the prospectus.
In order to make it easy for CCP to check what's being done in the donations account, there's a clause that forbids delivering back away anything that is donated. This means that if CCP won't (for any reason) do the charity drive, those donations can't be given back and will sit there till the next charity drive. |
dexington
Dexington Corporation
867
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:16:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Zifrian wrote:If CCP wants to continue donating to charity through PLEX, it might be a good idea just for them to set up a system in game for people to do it whenever people want. Instead of picking your disaster, just make donations to the Red Cross, International Red Cross, or Red Crescent. This way anyone that wants to donate, whenever, for whatever, can.
Be a lot easier, ethical?, to do this than just for the disasters that reach a level of criterion to warrant special consideration based on what one human's evaluation of "need" is for all people who want to donate in game.
Either that or just say we won't be doing plex for charity anymore.
But this random donations to "major" disasters is problematic. That's not going to be feasible as CCP are not going to be willing to leave an open door for unlimited amounts of what is effectively their money to flood out of their coffers. Of course, they will be able to write these donations off against tax but they will certainly want to directly control the flow by limiting it to short windows.
Some countries allows extra tax reduction when donating to charity, it may be the same on Iceland. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4552
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:18:00 -
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MatrixSkye2 Mk2, Rykker Bow and RAW23 have put their money where their mouth is.
2013-11-11: 2 | PLEX | Donor name: MatrixSkye2 Mk2 2013-11-11: 4 | PLEX | Donor name: Rykker Bow 2013-11-11: 1 | PLEX | Donor name: Raw23 |
dexington
Dexington Corporation
871
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:19:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:People do not need a donation a week or 2 from now. They need help now. Go down to your local Red Cross, donate some blood, plasma, can food, blankets, money, or ask them how you can help. Get off your computers and go.
I think it's safe to say they need help now, and they will also need help two weeks from now. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1140
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:32:00 -
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On what CCP gain from this - it's really the publicity.
If 3000 PLEX are turned in, prices for PLEX will increase enough that likely another 2500 will sell that otherwise would not have sold (either to people intending to resell, or to people who sometimes subscribe via in-game purchased PLEX and sometimes via a monthly sub). So CCP end up down USD 7500 or so in revenue. Plus maybe two days of one employee being 'unproductive', so let's call that a total of USD 8000.
However, they would pay A LOT more than USD 8000 for the sort of publicity the game will get out of a charity drive that raises USD 45000 directly, and that also indirectly raises money by promoting awareness of the Philippines crisis among players of one of the games with the highest proportions of medium to well paid professionals in gaming. |
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:00:00 -
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Vaerah, you can cont on me and several other folks I talk to.
As soon we have some CCP position about their desire to do this we will be moving some isk here and there.
Props on the idea, I'm always reading your posts at MD, enlightening, literally.
Keep the good work. |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4555
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:45:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
So, challenge accepted, mate?
I did my duty, I am waiting for you now. I know it's unelegant to post donations but this is not a show off, I have to prove it's real, we are in EvE after all.
First round of proofs: screenshots. Second round of proofs: video of it being done, I'll probably be able to post it tomorrow (now it's late here).
Here's the second round: Video proof of payment.
Now, Nam Dnilb, it's really your turn.
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
813
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:39:00 -
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Just in case you folks didn't know, cash you donate today doesn't go straight to the current disaster du jour. Typically, charities run one disaster behind when it comes to funding. Today's cash goes in the pot, what was collected last time goes to the current relief effort.
Honestly, the best type of disaster aid you can provide is donating blood. You donate blood in your area, it has a follow-on ripple effect down the line, freeing up resources to send out to (current disaster). Direct cash into the general fund is also excellent. Material goods are almost worthless, TBH. Nobody wants your old socks.
My personal fav charity to help is Doctors Without Borders. Great guys and gals who do a ton of good out there. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4555
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Posted - 2013.11.11 07:19:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Just in case you folks didn't know, cash you donate today doesn't go straight to the current disaster du jour. Typically, charities run one disaster behind when it comes to funding. Today's cash goes in the pot, what was collected last time goes to the current relief effort.
Honestly, the best type of disaster aid you can provide is donating blood. You donate blood in your area, it has a follow-on ripple effect down the line, freeing up resources to send out to (current disaster). Direct cash into the general fund is also excellent. Material goods are almost worthless, TBH. Nobody wants your old socks.
My personal fav charity to help is Doctors Without Borders. Great guys and gals who do a ton of good out there.
If I understand correctly, you tell to donate blood because donating cash won't go immediately to the populations in need.
The next paragraph however you tell that if you donate blood it is going to have a ripple effect down the line. That is, it won't go immediately to the populations in need.
Now, while I admire those who would donate blood and similar, in this specific contingency money has way easier "logistics" getting over there than blood and similar. I don't think that i.e. 5 flagons of blood are going to get all the costs and efforts to get taken and sent over thousands miles, whereas a guy living at the Philippines would be the one able to donate blood that shall get where it's needed.
In the end pick a choice, but do it. I have picked money as I live so far (Canary Islands) that anything else won't get there. Paypal sent money will. |
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
75
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Posted - 2013.11.11 07:37:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
If I understand correctly, you tell to donate blood because donating cash won't go immediately to the populations in need.
The next paragraph however you tell that if you donate blood it is going to have a ripple effect down the line. That is, it won't go immediately to the populations in need.
Now, while I admire those who would donate blood and similar, in this specific contingency money has way easier "logistics" getting over there than blood and similar. I don't think that i.e. 5 flagons of blood are going to get all the costs and efforts to get taken and sent over thousands miles, whereas a guy living at the Philippines would be the one able to donate blood that shall get where it's needed.
In the end pick a choice, but do it. I have picked money as I live so far (Canary Islands) that anything else won't get there. Paypal sent money will.
Where I live, one unit of O+ blood is effectively a ~$180 USD donation to the red cross (if donated at the red cross). The money they charge for the blood covers the logistics of the product and provides capital for other red cross programs.
tl;dr Red cross turns your blood into money. If you are american, A LOT of money.... Just an idea for the ISK and cash poor of us.
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
814
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:13:00 -
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Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
If I understand correctly, you tell to donate blood because donating cash won't go immediately to the populations in need.
The next paragraph however you tell that if you donate blood it is going to have a ripple effect down the line. That is, it won't go immediately to the populations in need.
Now, while I admire those who would donate blood and similar, in this specific contingency money has way easier "logistics" getting over there than blood and similar. I don't think that i.e. 5 flagons of blood are going to get all the costs and efforts to get taken and sent over thousands miles, whereas a guy living at the Philippines would be the one able to donate blood that shall get where it's needed.
In the end pick a choice, but do it. I have picked money as I live so far (Canary Islands) that anything else won't get there. Paypal sent money will.
Where I live, one unit of O+ blood is effectively a ~$180 USD donation to the red cross (if donated at the red cross). The money they charge for the blood covers the logistics of the product and provides capital for other red cross programs. tl;dr Red cross turns your blood into money. If you are american, A LOT of money.... Just an idea for the ISK and cash poor of us.
Effectively what I was getting at, yeah. They don't physically send the units of blood you donate overseas, it gets very quickly sold locally, and that cash goes into the red cross coffers. The follow-on is, every unit acquired locally is another unit not having to be brought in from outside. That can ripple down the chain, so that blood closest to the disaster zone DOES get sent. IIRC, they were telling people around Sandy NOT to donate blood, they had plenty, but to donate locally so funds could get moved. Sparing a pint of the red stuff is a lot easier on people than sparing ~$200.
Now, if you really feel like being efficient, bring your laptop to the blood center, and grind ISK for a PLEX donation while you have the needle in your arm. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1434
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:20:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
If I understand correctly, you tell to donate blood because donating cash won't go immediately to the populations in need.
The next paragraph however you tell that if you donate blood it is going to have a ripple effect down the line. That is, it won't go immediately to the populations in need.
Now, while I admire those who would donate blood and similar, in this specific contingency money has way easier "logistics" getting over there than blood and similar. I don't think that i.e. 5 flagons of blood are going to get all the costs and efforts to get taken and sent over thousands miles, whereas a guy living at the Philippines would be the one able to donate blood that shall get where it's needed.
In the end pick a choice, but do it. I have picked money as I live so far (Canary Islands) that anything else won't get there. Paypal sent money will.
Where I live, one unit of O+ blood is effectively a ~$180 USD donation to the red cross (if donated at the red cross). The money they charge for the blood covers the logistics of the product and provides capital for other red cross programs. tl;dr Red cross turns your blood into money. If you are american, A LOT of money.... Just an idea for the ISK and cash poor of us. Effectively what I was getting at, yeah. They don't physically send the units of blood you donate overseas, it gets very quickly sold locally, and that cash goes into the red cross coffers. The follow-on is, every unit acquired locally is another unit not having to be brought in from outside. That can ripple down the chain, so that blood closest to the disaster zone DOES get sent. IIRC, they were telling people around Sandy NOT to donate blood, they had plenty, but to donate locally so funds could get moved. Sparing a pint of the red stuff is a lot easier on people than sparing ~$200. Now, if you really feel like being efficient, bring your laptop to the blood center, and grind ISK for a PLEX donation while you have the needle in your arm.
While this is mildly off topic, I could not help but bring up the American Armed Forces/DoD Blood Program.
It is also an excellent program, and the blood and/or plasma donated has a turnaround time of slightly less than 2 weeks. This includes countries we send military aid to, which will soon include the Phillipines (USMC is headed there in less than a day).
And even if not to direct aid, the plasma is not sold locally, they guarantee use on victims specified within the program. |
Zappity
Kurved Space
622
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:36:00 -
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I'll send you a couple of plex I have sitting around. Yes, there are more direct ways to support relief efforts (which everyone can do separately) but this would be good publicity for CCP as well.
Come on CCP, pull your finger out and do a community event that actually works! |
Professional Forum Alt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:55:00 -
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I think this is a GREAT idea.
CCP - Please let us help these people, and show that EVE is so much more than "just" a game.
Any typos, spelling errors and bad grammer found, are free and yours to keep |
Pampers Toralen
Reluctant Warriors Disorganized Outcasts
57
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Posted - 2013.11.11 10:50:00 -
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Tweeted Afew of the CCP Bro's to take a look at this thread.
Hopefully they check there twitter often enough.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1143
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Posted - 2013.11.11 11:33:00 -
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Filed a petition to get a ruling on some things related to this idea (can you demand a ransom payable to the fund instead of yourself, are you required to honor such ransoms, etc). Of note in the reply was word that CCP are looking into the original idea.
On the ransom questions - for PR reasons (charity PR not CCP PR) CCP would prefer this is not done. Just steal ISK as normal, then optionally tell the victim you are donating the heist to this appeal. I will accept this. Last thing I want is someone claiming out of game to the charity that they were coerced into making a donation.
But yes, GMs at least knew about this initiative before I contacted them. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. The difference between an enemy and a friend is that you stab your enemies in the front. |
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