Other than drone ships in general, there's not many other interesting 'win button' ships out there.

Add a thermal exhaust port that only a T1 frig can attack.

Add a thermal exhaust port that only a T1 frig can attack.

A subcapital fleet has never caused node death..

Even the largest fight ever- 6VDT, 4096 subcapitals didnt kill that node. It was reinforced you say.. the super Jita node, this is true but the current meta is to not reinforce nodes where supercapitals are wont to be used so that the node can be crashed to avoid 'tanking til downtime'.

It's a legit tactic for defender especially when every shite lord in EVE is attacking your space. Also is there a reason why attacker cannot ask for reinforced node?

super/ titan killers = dreads with a small mix of armageddon's,bhaalgrons. for neuting

Well the problem doesnt lie in the node to begin with. The problem is a class of ship with infinite scalability that is nigh invincible when properly supported..

Say that to BL superfleet

You mean the 30 supercarriers that were attacked by over a hundred other supercapitals?

That doesn't sound like "properly supported" to me.

Why don't they add a new (T2) Battleship that can fit XL weapons and has bonuses/slot lay outs that allow it to do massive damage against super capitals while being utterly ineffective and even vulnerable against anything else.
These new T2 should be compared to battleships the way stealth bomber is compared to frigates.

If anything, the counter to Capitals shouldn't come from a bigger size class but from a smaller one.

It's either that or the nerfbat against Super carriers.

Some folks have said more expensive, some have said less expensive. One of the biggest issues is the spider tanking while also doing massive dps, along with being ewar immune.

The current train of thought goes: "Hey theres a supercarrier fleet lets kill it." Dreads get dropped..triage carriers come in or were there already to support the supercarriers, titans come in to doomsday the dreads off the field and on and on.

Escalation ensues and the node crashes

The only and I really mean the only time supercarriers have died in this modern day and age was because of a trap.

Why do ANY supercaps need a rebalance?
Only about 5% of the playerbase will ever even see one, much less use one.

Why don't they add a new (T2) Battleship that can fit XL weapons and has bonuses/slot lay outs that allow it to do massive damage against super capitals while being utterly ineffective and even vulnerable against anything else.
These new T2 should be compared to battleships the way stealth bomber is compared to frigates.

If anything, the counter to Capitals shouldn't come from a bigger size class but from a smaller one.

It's either that or the nerfbat against Super carriers.

You seem confused on the escalation. Side A drops Supers, Side B drops dreads? In order to escalate the fight side B should have dropped a larger number of Supers.....

That's the only real issue in your scenario , one side is afraid to drop Supers, the other is not. Is this a balance issue? Seems more like an issue with intestinal fortitude.

You seem confused on the escalation. Side A drops Supers, Side B drops dreads? In order to escalate the fight side B should have dropped a larger number of Supers.....

That's the only real issue in your scenario , one side is afraid to drop Supers, the other is not. Is this a balance issue? Seems more like an issue with intestinal fortitude.

so much more money is available to the individual that an individual can realistically hope to own a supercapital ship if they've played for a year or two and want it.


???

Please show me a 2year old toon with an effective super and how he grinded the isk for it.

so much more money is available to the individual that an individual can realistically hope to own a supercapital ship if they've played for a year or two and want it.


???

Please show me a 2year old toon with an effective super and how he grinded the isk for it.

Or you can put 9000 homeless peeps in megas and blob de sun.

so much more money is available to the individual that an individual can realistically hope to own a supercapital ship if they've played for a year or two and want it.


???

Please show me a 2year old toon with an effective super and how he grinded the isk for it.

And crash the node, but mynnna is right, T2 battle ships would be to expensive.

We need a cheaper solution.

Supers dont really fight supers do they.. have they ever? I am not sure why this is, help me out.

Currently I am a capital pilot, I can fly a carrier which I understand the role of and its intended use, it does it well as a logistics platform. My logical progression would be to train into a supercarrier but I am confused by its role. It does the same thing a regular carrier does minus drones but adding massive dps..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLqb-m1ZZUA this video says otherwise, skip to 3:51 battle of asakai

Introduce a subcap hull (hell it can even be a frigate) that gets a massive bonus against caps and supers, and massive penalties against subcaps. Think x wing blowing up death star and what have you. Lorewise, you make up something about how the advanced weapon systems target the super's omega 13 tanks or some other bull.

Or alternatively, just nerf supers' stats into the ground directly.

Blops high slot module that screws with warp drive engines.
scales in a non linear manner with mass.
so if it did 40000 dps to a super but 4 dps to a frig (random numbers they are for concept rather than what i think they should be)
activates for say 5 mins at a time and prevents the firing ship from warp, cloak, bridge, jump, using gates or wh's.
also prevents MJD and MWD in the firing ship.
maybe prevents remote assist
just an idea.