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Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
64600
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Posted - 2014.07.06 22:44:00 -
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Shark Dubois wrote:i prefer that u release the complete video so i suggest that u ask help from other editors that u trust and that way the problem will be solved :)
I have already asked Zaqq and El Geo who are both very talented video editors who use Adobe After Effects. Zaqq is too busy with his own projects but I got El Geo to make the intro which is in progress, but he is not sure if he can finish it as he is busy as well.
I am open to suggestions, but bear in mind that the project is done in Adobe After Effects (which in my mind is the best program) while most use Sony Vegas or other programs. Likewise the editors should also have experience with editing and know how to present a fight well.
But so far. Thanks for the input guys. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |

Blood ofGODS
Relentless Destruction
45
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Posted - 2014.07.07 00:05:00 -
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Announce the winners to build tension (Give out the isk, more important part =D) and release it as a full video. Keep rule 9 though.
Also we should talk or something for the editing part, I can help you with the music choices. My library is pretty good =D |

Shark Dubois
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
4
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Posted - 2014.07.07 00:25:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:Shark Dubois wrote:i prefer that u release the complete video so i suggest that u ask help from other editors that u trust and that way the problem will be solved :) I have already asked Zaqq and El Geo who are both very talented video editors who use Adobe After Effects. Zaqq is too busy with his own projects but I got El Geo to make the intro which is in progress, but he is not sure if he can finish it as he is busy as well. I am open to suggestions, but bear in mind that the project is done in Adobe After Effects (which in my mind is the best program) while most use Sony Vegas or other programs. Likewise the editors should also have experience with editing and know how to present a fight well. But so far. Thanks for the input guys.
then i guess it can't be helped :/
do as u see fits then. good luck. |

Kor Kilden
Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Gathering Of Nomadic Explorers
28
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Posted - 2014.07.07 01:30:00 -
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A lot of the excitement has probably been lost (how many expansions have passed?) and some fights may no longer be relevant. Announce the winners, release what you have in 2 chunks (completed and work in progress), don't burn out, and build excitement back up for the second half with the first. |

Revileushin Eyri
The Southern Legion Final Resolution.
7
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Posted - 2014.07.07 03:49:00 -
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Release all the fights together, unedited, or barely edited.
To me, I want to see the fights. If I want music I will turn on my music player as I watch the video, if I want effects I will light a sparkler next to me as I watch.
These fights are, considering the Honorable Mentions video, the best of the best. As a newbie, with fights at 4x speed, I find it extremely difficult to follow, because I want to know EVERY single action the pilot is performing, from a double-click to manually move the ship, to the activation of which modules at which time.
This may result in the video being obscenely long if fights aren't sped up adequately, but personally I don't mind. If this is a problem because of uploading though, then it's your call.
Once again, I'm here for what's underneath all the shiny effects. I won't think any less of any of the editors if they aren't present when the video is released. I only care for the fights, and that their place in a video of great solo PvP, determined by a good panel of judges, is justified. |

Duckslayer
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
15
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Posted - 2014.07.07 08:32:00 -
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DHB_Wildcat, are34, Guados, Clahim, rekina, Daneel Trevize, Buhhdust Princess, Garmon, Aldap. You have all of these people on your team, most of them have made pvp videos. Why are you even feeling the need to ask for crowd source help.
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big miker
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
122
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Posted - 2014.07.07 08:40:00 -
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Kor Kilden wrote:A lot of the excitement has probably been lost (how many expansions have passed?) and some fights may no longer be relevant. Announce the winners, release what you have in 2 chunks (completed and work in progress), don't burn out, and build excitement back up for the second half with the first.
This! Release it in 2 part. You have half of the fights done. Build up tension for the 2d part. This Would make it 2 videos without making them too long. And you can always combine them afterwards. My latest video: Ferocious 3.0 Special Edition-á |

Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
64624
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Posted - 2014.07.07 08:47:00 -
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Thanks for your reply guys.
@BoG: If I understand you correctly I should announce the winners now and then only release the fights when the video is done? I think this will create more problems than solve. Once the winners are announced people want to see their fights. And it will not solve the main problem: it is going to take ages before I can deliver a fully done video.
@Kor: Yeah, I get the feeling that no matter what I do I have failed. It has been drawn out too much and now its just a matter of salvaging what excitement there is left.
@Revileushin: The HM video was made to show as many fights as possible. The main video will be editing entirely differently. I have put much effort into presenting the fights in a best possible way with playback speeds that vary throughout the fight so the important details aren't lost but the fight isn't painfully long to watch. I have intended the video to reach out to both hardcore solo fans but also other eve players who might get bored if its going too slow as they do not understand all the small details.
@Duckslayer: That's what I thought as well. However the problem is that it has pretty much been only Aldap, Daneel and I who has been working on the editing. And all 3 of us are busy in RL as well. I'm not going to say anything bad about the remaining judges after all they did what they signed up for (atleast most of them, Prom and Garmon were both hindered by RL). So basically it was me who carried a majority of the workload and responsibility and everything collapsed. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |

Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
64624
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Posted - 2014.07.07 08:48:00 -
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big miker wrote:Kor Kilden wrote:A lot of the excitement has probably been lost (how many expansions have passed?) and some fights may no longer be relevant. Announce the winners, release what you have in 2 chunks (completed and work in progress), don't burn out, and build excitement back up for the second half with the first. This! Release it in 2 part. You have half of the fights done. Build up tension for the 2d part. This Would make it 2 videos without making them too long. And you can always combine them afterwards.
Should be doable. I will consider it. But should I only announce half of the winners with the first part? One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |

Kor Kilden
Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Gathering Of Nomadic Explorers
29
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Posted - 2014.07.07 09:04:00 -
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I'd suggest announce all winners, release 2 videos now (I may not have been clear in my OP), one finished and one mostly done, polish the second and rerelease it later, no time pressure.
You bit off a attacked more than expected (especially with the time extension) and your reinforcements got bubbled 2 jumps out. It's no fun, but it happens. Do what you can now, polish the last half later and don't burn out. Get back to playing the game a bit, rumor is if you undock sometimes it can be fun. |
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Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
64624
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Posted - 2014.07.07 09:21:00 -
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Kor Kilden wrote:I'd suggest announce all winners, release 2 videos now (I may not have been clear in my OP), one finished and one mostly done, polish the second and rerelease it later, no time pressure.
You bit off a attacked more than expected (especially with the time extension) and your reinforcements got bubbled 2 jumps out. It's no fun, but it happens. Do what you can now, polish the last half later and don't burn out. Get back to playing the game a bit, rumor is if you undock sometimes it can be fun.
What is undock? One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |

Duckslayer
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
16
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Posted - 2014.07.07 10:53:00 -
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Announce the winners, delete all the footage. Keep the prize pool. Might as well maximize the troll. Final stage of a 9 month long community wind up. Would go down in history |

big miker
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
124
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Posted - 2014.07.07 11:35:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:big miker wrote:Kor Kilden wrote:A lot of the excitement has probably been lost (how many expansions have passed?) and some fights may no longer be relevant. Announce the winners, release what you have in 2 chunks (completed and work in progress), don't burn out, and build excitement back up for the second half with the first. This! Release it in 2 part. You have half of the fights done. Build up tension for the 2d part. This Would make it 2 videos without making them too long. And you can always combine them afterwards. Should be doable. I will consider it. But should I only announce half of the winners with the first part?
If you want to keep the tension you should only announce the first part winners. Even though some People can't wait to see all winners announced, because some of them know They have good chances to win. If you want to stick to the somewhat original release, only announce the winners for the first part. Just my 2 cents! My latest video: Ferocious 3.0 Special Edition-á |

Tho'mas
Justified Chaos
239
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Posted - 2014.07.07 13:46:00 -
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I'd prefer waiting for the full video containing all fights. |

Blood ofGODS
Relentless Destruction
46
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Posted - 2014.07.07 15:20:00 -
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Do what miker says yo. He's got some top tier ideas. Will also prove that Duckslayer is wrong (hopefully).
Shrek will still give you a place in the swamp in the sky to fill your soul with his passionate love if you divide the video in to two parts. It's like presenting one cheek first while splitting it from the other while you clean the holy swamp water off of it, then when the second cheek is clean you mash them back together and create a clean masterpiece Shrek would be proud of.
Alot of teh old "elite" people did this, like that one guy Garmon that hardly anyone remembers nowadays... |

Cyrus Mierre
Ascendancy Legion Enemy Spotted.
23
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Posted - 2014.07.07 15:23:00 -
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Tho'mas wrote:I'd prefer waiting for the full video containing all fights.
I agree with this Gallente scum. This has the potential to be the ULTIMATE top-quality pvp video that eve has/will ever see, and I want to see it used as the bible of solo pvp to show newbies, to introduce people to the game, or simply to get more people into solo.
This could be the difinitive video, so I'm more than willing to wait for as long as it needs to be perfect. Not just completed and rushed out, but perfect. Another 9 months? Yeah fine by me. |

Leeloo Killik
Hax. Triumvirate.
47
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Posted - 2014.07.07 15:59:00 -
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You can always add more people to the project creation. Announce OCM needs your help editors! Pick 2-3 people that will apply and you're ok with them, share with them what you got so far and I'm sure they will help you finish the whole thing in no time |

Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
64666
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Posted - 2014.07.07 16:06:00 -
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So right now there are 2 options I'm considering:
1. Wait for full video (I have no idea when that is going to happen).
2. Announce winners, make the first half and release it (I can probably get this done tomorrow). And then release the other half later where I edit it all together to the full video. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |

big miker
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
125
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Posted - 2014.07.07 16:25:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:So right now there are 2 options I'm considering:
1. Wait for full video (I have no idea when that is going to happen).
2. Announce winners, make the first half and release it (I can probably get this done tomorrow). And then release the other half later where I edit it all together to the full video.
First of all, I don't mind if it-¦s going to be waiting for the full video, no doubt. I understand everyone who wants to wait for the full version of it. But It-¦s just getting a burden for you. If you release half of it you'll lower that burden for sure.
All of the comments you'll get could be inspiring for the last few fights. People will come up with better ideas, tips and tricks. And positive comments will motivate for sure. I'm chosing number 2 for now, but I will fully understand if you decide to wait and make it a full blown video!
-Miker
Edit: Even half a video would blow people away I bet  My latest video: Ferocious 3.0 Special Edition-á |

Tho'mas
Justified Chaos
240
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Posted - 2014.07.07 17:31:00 -
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Cyrus Mierre wrote:Tho'mas wrote:I'd prefer waiting for the full video containing all fights. I agree with this Gallente scum. This has the potential to be the ULTIMATE top-quality pvp video that eve has/will ever see, and I want to see it used as the bible of solo pvp to show newbies, to introduce people to the game, or simply to get more people into solo. This could be the difinitive video, so I'm more than willing to wait for as long as it needs to be perfect. Not just completed and rushed out, but perfect. Another 9 months? Yeah fine by me.
Had to go back and check the honorable mentions video, but I see that your submission was against some corp mates of mine. |
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Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
64695
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Posted - 2014.07.07 20:13:00 -
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I have been thinking about something and came up with an idea. If I decide to wait for full release then I could take in some editing assistants (2-3) whose job would be to edit the playback speed and matching some music with the fights. Now it doesn't really matter what program they are using as long as they can render out a video with adjusted playback speed and a soundtrack without too big loss. The special effects, killcounter, commentary and so on will be done by me.
So the requirements would be that the editors are capable of using the playback speed to present the fight in a really nice way. The main part of the fight should be at a speed where details aren't lost and there aren't too many drawn out moments. And the use of faster speeds for getting easier through drawn out moments and not so fast speeds for important bits where things are getting really close.
Likewise the music should match the fight and playback speed can be used to make them match perfectly. The difference between 2.5x and 2.6x speed is hardly noticeable but it can make the timing match perfectly. The music doesn't need to match perfectly as it would be nearly impossible, but generally there should be calm moments in the track for calm moments in the fight and upbeat moments for the more intense parts of the fight.
Now, I haven't decided yet if this would be choice, but I would like to hear if any of you guys out there thinks you can pick up the task for some of the remaining fights. This would require that you get access to our internal boards and you will be able to see both the edited and unedited fights. So I will have to trust you and I will require proof that you are capable of presenting a fight in a great way. In return you will be a part of one of the biggest solo pvp projects in eve, thus having your name in the video, and you will get a little bonus for your work. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |

big miker
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
145
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Posted - 2014.07.07 20:18:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:I have been thinking about something and came up with an idea. If I decide to wait for full release then I could take in some editing assistants (2-3) whose job would be to edit the playback speed and matching some music with the fights. Now it doesn't really matter what program they are using as long as they can render out a video with adjusted playback speed and a soundtrack without too big loss. The special effects, killcounter, commentary and so on will be done by me.
So the requirements would be that the editors are capable of using the playback speed to present the fight in a really nice way. The main part of the fight should be at a speed where details aren't lost and there aren't too many drawn out moments. And the use of faster speeds for getting easier through drawn out moments and not so fast speeds for important bits where things are getting really close.
Likewise the music should match the fight and playback speed can be used to make them match perfectly. The difference between 2.5x and 2.6x speed is hardly noticeable but it can make the timing match perfectly. The music doesn't need to match perfectly as it would be nearly impossible, but generally there should be calm moments in the track for calm moments in the fight and upbeat moments for the more intense parts of the fight.
Now, I haven't decided yet if this would be choice, but I would like to hear if any of you guys out there thinks you can pick up the task for some of the remaining fights. This would require that you get access to our internal boards and you will be able to see both the edited and unedited fights. So I will have to trust you and I will require proof that you are capable of presenting a fight in a great way. In return you will be a part of one of the biggest solo pvp projects in eve, thus having your name in the video, and you will get a little bonus for your work.
If said person is going to work for the project, will his / her fight still have a chance to be in the official OMC video? Anyways, good choice! My latest video: Ferocious 3.0 Special Edition-á |

Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
64695
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Posted - 2014.07.07 20:22:00 -
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big miker wrote:Mizhir wrote:I have been thinking about something and came up with an idea. If I decide to wait for full release then I could take in some editing assistants (2-3) whose job would be to edit the playback speed and matching some music with the fights. Now it doesn't really matter what program they are using as long as they can render out a video with adjusted playback speed and a soundtrack without too big loss. The special effects, killcounter, commentary and so on will be done by me.
So the requirements would be that the editors are capable of using the playback speed to present the fight in a really nice way. The main part of the fight should be at a speed where details aren't lost and there aren't too many drawn out moments. And the use of faster speeds for getting easier through drawn out moments and not so fast speeds for important bits where things are getting really close.
Likewise the music should match the fight and playback speed can be used to make them match perfectly. The difference between 2.5x and 2.6x speed is hardly noticeable but it can make the timing match perfectly. The music doesn't need to match perfectly as it would be nearly impossible, but generally there should be calm moments in the track for calm moments in the fight and upbeat moments for the more intense parts of the fight.
Now, I haven't decided yet if this would be choice, but I would like to hear if any of you guys out there thinks you can pick up the task for some of the remaining fights. This would require that you get access to our internal boards and you will be able to see both the edited and unedited fights. So I will have to trust you and I will require proof that you are capable of presenting a fight in a great way. In return you will be a part of one of the biggest solo pvp projects in eve, thus having your name in the video, and you will get a little bonus for your work. If said person is going to work for the project, will his / her fight still have a chance to be in the official OMC video? Anyways, good choice!
The choices are final. So even if the said person is going to help with editing then his fight in the video will not be affected.
One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |

Miriam Sasko
Matari Exodus
62
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Posted - 2014.07.08 07:32:00 -
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Sure, I can do a fight or two.
Each render does cause loss of quality though, so you are better off just having people send you the Vegas or Premiere files and then either render it yourself (no need to compress) or just import the speed envelope straight into whatever program you are using. Latest Video: The Graf Spee Legacy |

Teh Gaunt
V0LTA Triumvirate.
2
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Posted - 2014.07.08 09:12:00 -
[445] - Quote
big miker wrote:Mizhir wrote:I have been thinking about something and came up with an idea. If I decide to wait for full release then I could take in some editing assistants (2-3) whose job would be to edit the playback speed and matching some music with the fights. Now it doesn't really matter what program they are using as long as they can render out a video with adjusted playback speed and a soundtrack without too big loss. The special effects, killcounter, commentary and so on will be done by me.
So the requirements would be that the editors are capable of using the playback speed to present the fight in a really nice way. The main part of the fight should be at a speed where details aren't lost and there aren't too many drawn out moments. And the use of faster speeds for getting easier through drawn out moments and not so fast speeds for important bits where things are getting really close.
Likewise the music should match the fight and playback speed can be used to make them match perfectly. The difference between 2.5x and 2.6x speed is hardly noticeable but it can make the timing match perfectly. The music doesn't need to match perfectly as it would be nearly impossible, but generally there should be calm moments in the track for calm moments in the fight and upbeat moments for the more intense parts of the fight.
Now, I haven't decided yet if this would be choice, but I would like to hear if any of you guys out there thinks you can pick up the task for some of the remaining fights. This would require that you get access to our internal boards and you will be able to see both the edited and unedited fights. So I will have to trust you and I will require proof that you are capable of presenting a fight in a great way. In return you will be a part of one of the biggest solo pvp projects in eve, thus having your name in the video, and you will get a little bonus for your work. If said person is going to work for the project, will his / her fight still have a chance to be in the official OMC video? Anyways, good choice!
miker dont be greedy :D
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Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
64761
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Posted - 2014.07.08 09:35:00 -
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Miriam Sasko wrote:Sure, I can do a fight or two.
Each render does cause loss of quality though, so you are better off just having people send you the Vegas or Premiere files and then either render it yourself (no need to compress) or just import the speed envelope straight into whatever program you are using.
Can After Effects import those files? Never really experimented with it so I have no idea about how the compatibility is between the editing programs. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |

Miriam Sasko
Matari Exodus
63
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Posted - 2014.07.08 10:08:00 -
[447] - Quote
Mizhir wrote:Miriam Sasko wrote:Sure, I can do a fight or two.
Each render does cause loss of quality though, so you are better off just having people send you the Vegas or Premiere files and then either render it yourself (no need to compress) or just import the speed envelope straight into whatever program you are using. Can After Effects import those files? Never really experimented with it so I have no idea about how the compatibility is between the editing programs. I'm no expert, but 2 minutes googling says you can freely transfer between Adobe products. Sony Vegas 12 apparently can export to Adobe too, but I only have 9. Chances are someone with 12 can take my 9 file and convert it to something you can use.
Vegas files are tiny, so transferring them between people should not be a problem. Latest Video: The Graf Spee Legacy |

Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
64798
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Posted - 2014.07.08 13:59:00 -
[448] - Quote
Thanks for the responses guys. I have thought much about it and I have been paging interests for the editing help and there have already been a couple of people who have offered their help. Therefore:
The video will be released as the full video but I will find 2-3 helpers to speed up the process. If you think you can help please read this and write either here or mail me
The process is described here:
Quote:If I decide to wait for full release then I could take in some editing assistants (2-3) whose job would be to edit the playback speed and matching some music with the fights. Now it doesn't really matter what program they are using as long as they can render out a video with adjusted playback speed and a soundtrack without too big loss. The special effects, killcounter, commentary and so on will be done by me.
So the requirements would be that the editors are capable of using the playback speed to present the fight in a really nice way. The main part of the fight should be at a speed where details aren't lost and there aren't too many drawn out moments. And the use of faster speeds for getting easier through drawn out moments and not so fast speeds for important bits where things are getting really close.
Likewise the music should match the fight and playback speed can be used to make them match perfectly. The difference between 2.5x and 2.6x speed is hardly noticeable but it can make the timing match perfectly. The music doesn't need to match perfectly as it would be nearly impossible, but generally there should be calm moments in the track for calm moments in the fight and upbeat moments for the more intense parts of the fight.
So basically the editing assistants will gain access to our internal boards and be a part of the team. So as editor you will be able to see the finished fights to guide you and give you a rough idea to and you will gain access to the unfinished fights so you can work with them. Therefore I will have to trust you and I will require proof that you are capable of editing something in the desired quality.
While there will be a small reward you should not take this job for the isk. I'm looking for helpers who want to be a part of something great and who wants to help promoting solo pvp in eve.
If you got any questions feel free to ask. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |

James Kestrel
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
0
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Posted - 2014.07.08 21:19:00 -
[449] - Quote
I can help if you want. My references are Guados' SR8 and SR8.5 video. |

Duckslayer
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
16
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Posted - 2014.07.09 11:52:00 -
[450] - Quote
so the weekend is over. Video is done now i assume. Looking forward to its release this week. |
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