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Mike Whiite
Progressive State
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:30:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote: The only missile boat used in PvP is the drake, and not because of the missiles but because it has a great passive tank.
Probably depends on the what and where. FW is usualy pvp with smaller ships and there are quite some missle ships among those. |
Jazz5253
Galactic Extensive Technologies SUB ROSA ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:13:00 -
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Hmmm, was just on SiSi. Naga Show Info isn't stating any bonus for torps. Also wouldn't let me fit torp launchers. :( So now we will have not one but two new hybrid ships coming to the game with the winter expansion. Useless to me...if there are no missiles or torps. :( |
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:45:00 -
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Jazz5253 wrote:Hmmm, was just on SiSi. Naga Show Info isn't stating any bonus for torps. Also wouldn't let me fit torp launchers. :( So now we will have not one but two new hybrid ships coming to the game with the winter expansion. Useless to me...if there are no missiles or torps. :(
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=338846#post338846
"Dont forget CCP why created Naga so useless, because they want to change the 0.0 drake fleets to gun fleets (tornado). Missile swarms just create lags, drones create lags, they dont want them. So, they just dont want to create another missile fleet for 0.0 fights." |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:55:00 -
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Jazz5253 wrote:Hmmm, was just on SiSi. Naga Show Info isn't stating any bonus for torps. Also wouldn't let me fit torp launchers. :( So now we will have not one but two new hybrid ships coming to the game with the winter expansion. Useless to me...if there are no missiles or torps. :(
No torps now?
Well cross that off the Christmas list. Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Jazz5253
Galactic Extensive Technologies SUB ROSA ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2011.11.17 05:08:00 -
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Jazz5253 wrote:Hmmm, was just on SiSi. Naga Show Info isn't stating any bonus for torps. Also wouldn't let me fit torp launchers. :( So now we will have not one but two new hybrid ships coming to the game with the winter expansion. Useless to me...if there are no missiles or torps. :(
Sadly, today I reported this as a possible bug and quickly received a reply that set that thought straight. So, no new ship for me this expansion...maybe next time.
"Title: Naga on SiSi not fitting Siege missile launchers :( The problem you have described as an intended game feature, and not a bug. Your bugreport has been filtered.
The BugHunter Team" |
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.17 06:12:00 -
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Mike Whiite wrote:Nimrod Nemesis wrote:Havegun Willtravel wrote: I get the feeling it might end up being the least used of the 4. lolwut? It's looking like the better of the much more than four caldari hybrid ships (for practical pvp applications at least), not the worst. And if you expected a drone-less paper-tanked BC to be the new pve hotness, I think you were mislead. And the only one I see now and then are the harpy and the Falcon, and that last one has more to do with it's ability to use a covert opps cloaking device than a its's hybrid awesomeness. not to mention Havegun Willtravel was refering to the tier 3 battlecruiseres in stead of caldari hybridships.
This ship will end up being the second most used of the Tier 3 BC's with Winmatar in number 1 place. I will tell you why.
1.) The only other ship in game that can load up 8xTorps or it's = to is a Tech 2 Battle Ship and it's a maurauder class one. So if you want 8XTorps for something in a pvp enviroment but you dont want to or cant take that non-Pvp Marauder ship in there you now can use a Naga in its place.
2.) All the Tier 3 Battle Cruisers are going to be great for taking down class 1-2 POS's were you cant take a Battle Ship into. And Torps are hands down one of the fastest weapons in witch to do that.
3.)Tthis ships would also be great for man handling a capital ship if they happend to build one into there WH system.
4.) Basicly the only things this and all Tier 3 Battle cruisers are going to suck at is Major fleet fights and mybe missions do to lack of tank and drone bays. |
Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
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Posted - 2011.11.17 07:41:00 -
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Rip Minner wrote: This ship will end up being the second most used of the Tier 3 BC's with Winmatar in number 1 place. I will tell you why.
1.) The only other ship in game that can load up 8xTorps or it's = to is a Tech 2 Battle Ship and it's a maurauder class one. So if you want 8XTorps for something in a pvp enviroment but you dont want to or cant take that non-Pvp Marauder ship in there you now can use a Naga in its place.
Except that the Naga has NO launcher hardpoints, turrets only! So that is 2 Hybrid platforms and Hybrid Balance is Borked.
What number now? |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
60
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:01:00 -
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lol
I was looking forward to the naga as torp platform but meh... |
Aphrodite Skripalle
Galactic Defence Consortium United Pod Service
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:48:00 -
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OK, everone really likes the new ships and likes how to make damage.. me too.
But i am pretty sure, if they are overpowered, they will get nerfed soon, because they need to be balanced to not make other ships completly obsolete. IMHO this looks not well balanced, just a bad feeling. Do not give too much chocolate to us, because you will have to take that later away and then people feel bad.
And yes, i have tested them on sisi. |
Voseros
Disturbed Capsuleers
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:56:00 -
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I'll be really disappointed if they do get rid of the torps, at the very least they can stick to the 'raven up close' motif and remove one, or Thor forbid two, of the launchers if they feel its too powerful.
In my view the Naga should be a beasty, cheap, glass, Gank-mobile with Torps fitted and a glass cheaper-than-Rokh sniper with rails fitted.
The purpose of these Tier 3 BC's should be to get players with lower SP's and less ISK able to contribute BS level DPS to their corps fleets, if they're willing to take the risk of being more vulnerable and likely to get primaried than say if they turned up in a Drake or a Cane. Thing is along side BS's they'd should still be less likely to get primaried since the BS's should still be the more expensive ships. |
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Devilmonkey
Free Masons United Inc. Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.11.18 02:22:00 -
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Please dear god keep the torps on the Naga it would be nice to actually see torps as a viable weapon on other than bombers.
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Yankunytjatjara
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
11
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:02:00 -
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Keep 8 launcher slots, give it fitting bonuses only to torps and rails, and dps/range bonuses only to rails. In this way,
- it doesn't step on the talos toes with blasters - it is still viable as a very short range bs ganker - it becomes not viable as a missile fleet ship, because of range issues - it is a very viable fleet ship with rails
Removing the speed bonus on torps is fine, after all when you are maximising your transversal your torps don't need to go too far ;)
On the other hand, bonuses on blasters aren't that good without a tracking bonus: if you are maximizing your transversal, you break your tracking too.
So keeping the launcher slots gives it a short range possibility without any drawbacks. |
Willaev
KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.11.18 14:27:00 -
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Yankunytjatjara wrote:Keep 8 launcher slots, give it fitting bonuses only to torps and rails, and dps/range bonuses only to rails. In this way,
- it doesn't step on the talos toes with blasters - it is still viable as a very short range bs ganker - it becomes not viable as a missile fleet ship, because of range issues - it is a very viable fleet ship with rails
Removing the speed bonus on torps is fine, after all when you are maximising your transversal your torps don't need to go too far ;)
On the other hand, bonuses on blasters aren't that good without a tracking bonus: if you are maximizing your transversal, you break your tracking too.
So keeping the launcher slots gives it a short range possibility without any drawbacks.
Actually, increase the missile velocity bonus/level but add a corresponding missile flight time penalty/level. Call 'em "Hyper-velocity Torpedoes". Faster damage application, same range.
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Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.22 07:12:00 -
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Just thought I would stop by and give my condolances to the new Hybird only Naga. A fair number of Gallente's feel the same way about are new ship too.
You could have used a 8xBS Missile boat that was not a Marauder and we could have realy used another Drone ships.
But we both got what we got. So good luck with yours and we will do are best over here too.
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OldWolf69
IR0N. Integrated Research and Industrial Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.11.26 10:10:00 -
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If it's gonna be a second-fail-rokh...my condoleances too, ccp. great improvement, deep tought, brilliant imbalance of things. where did i hear last time 'sandbox'? |
Vedje
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:40:00 -
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I love how CCP did what CCP does
Promised Tier 3, as it sounds almost as Tech 3 Pretty good marketing trick, however also a pretty cheap trick, and i lost my respect towards the crowd with this bullshit.
Then launched Tier 3 which wasn't part of the deal, namely given caldari a bc that uses blasters only. It's like equiping a boat with air bags, or an race car with a lifeboat. Very useful indeed.
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Kae Bee
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:48:00 -
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....hmmm......
Crucible here, but its Naga ad in the 4th paragragh still shows torps CAN be fitted!
I hope no1 resubscribed to EvE because of this ad showing a Torp Naga!
....could get ugly! |
OldWolf69
IR0N. Integrated Research and Industrial Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:59:00 -
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Shure, you can also fit rails on a Scorp, and use it for ratting. |
M4NOS theGREEK
November 17th Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:00:00 -
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well im a new player.and new to eve gate also...i play only some months ..the truth is that i liked most of the crucible features and it seems you ccp guys have done a very good job.. i play caldari ships and i love my missles-torpedoes...so i feel a little betrayed... i think you gave all the other races their correct guns but you gave us a turrets only ship...please reconsider your decision or give us a second kind of naga like (hawk-harpy) with the proper bonuses..thnx in advance... |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:56:00 -
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For those who cant figure out how to use a ship that does over 500 DPS at 110K then shame on them.... |
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OldWolf69
IR0N. Integrated Research and Industrial Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.11.30 13:24:00 -
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Maybe some of us hoped to do that dmg with torps...? Or some other kind of missile? If Caldari still won't use Hybrids, means you force them into those, by giving just gunboats out? Once again, what sandbox? |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
6
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Posted - 2011.11.30 13:51:00 -
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I am a caldari pilot, with 500 kills in a SB so I love torps as much as the next guy . I was also loathe to train gunnery and large railgun spec as well, but, once you have it is well worth it.Not to mention if you train the support skills ( as well you should) you pretty much opened up a lot of other ships as well, and it will now take minimal time to get into other ships of other races, like, say, a tornado, or most other minmatar (or gallente) ships.
I took the plunge and dont regret it.I still fly mostly Caldari but it's nice to have other options instead of being pissed off all the time I cant use guns. |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
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Posted - 2011.11.30 14:09:00 -
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Torps on a glass tank BC that cant take any damage,with a huge sig, that has to get in close,with no drones to defend against tackle, and a weapon system that wont do squat against small targets would have left you very disappointed after a brief period I am sure.
Yes, you have to invest time to fly it but you will find it is a viable ship, with strongpoints no other ship has, and I have no doubt will quickly become the best Caldari gunboat, and probably one of the best long range gunboats in game.
Instant heavy DPS from long range in a maneuverable platform is something Caldari hasnt had, and you dont have to lay out 130 mil isk for it like a Rokh. |
OldWolf69
IR0N. Integrated Research and Industrial Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.11.30 14:29:00 -
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Point was not the performance of it. Point was that they should do also a pvp-able missile boat. Is just like doing a uber-minnie-boat with torps. They can use missiles, but they basically ALL projectyle weapons. Shure, this won't happen to minmatar even if they have ot close the game for not doing it. But, once again. "Imbalance". Big Word. |
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