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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.04 10:33:00 -
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The new battlecruisers will in all likelyhood be on SiSi in some form today so we decided this week would be double-ship week!
Go here to read about the Caldari response to the previously introduced battlecruisers. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
163
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Posted - 2011.11.04 10:36:00 -
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NEAT!
great job : )
edit:man i wish someone at ccp would go over thier process on making normal maps for hard modeled objects. You guys nail it every time! |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
212
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Posted - 2011.11.04 10:38:00 -
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Looks cool, I really hope the Naga won't be the weakest of the litter of the new BC's as some fear since it has a very awesome presence on screen! I'll enjoy shooting them with my fancy golden Oracle. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
The Offerer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2011.11.04 10:42:00 -
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Drake sandwich
It looks awesome |
Spyker Slater
LASER TECH For Medicinal Use Only
1
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Posted - 2011.11.04 10:43:00 -
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WOW, turrets AND launchers! I like \0/ |
Gealbhan
Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline.
59
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Posted - 2011.11.04 10:48:00 -
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Very cool |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2011.11.04 10:50:00 -
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That's a big snake. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Elistea
Seedless Inc Shadow of xXDEATHXx
2
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Posted - 2011.11.04 10:50:00 -
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Definitely meanest of all new BCs. Rly looks like it means bussines. i LOVE IT! |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
26
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Posted - 2011.11.04 10:51:00 -
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That video scared the crap out of me! |
Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy Spreadsheets Online
5
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Posted - 2011.11.04 10:53:00 -
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Looks like a railgun. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
738
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Posted - 2011.11.04 10:54:00 -
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Sweet!
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DJ Rez Radgrif
Eve Radio Corporation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 10:56:00 -
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As I said on Twitter, Guard, I cannot wait to get my hands on them. I'm so glad that I decided to go Command Ships, putting my Battlecruiser skills at 5 |
Gempei
Siberian Khatru.
6
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Posted - 2011.11.04 10:57:00 -
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looks fantastic! |
Nimusa
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 10:58:00 -
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sooo happy with these bc's, seem fun to fly , look GREAT! i'm always a supporter of gank over tank , down with plates!!! |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
41
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Posted - 2011.11.04 10:59:00 -
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Typical of CCP, first you promise something, then you break it.
This shouldn't have been published until next week!
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Djakku
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
11
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Posted - 2011.11.04 10:59:00 -
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Your devblog didn't really help my paranoid phobia of snakes |
Sylar McIntyr
Konstrukteure der Zukunft The Initiative.
12
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Posted - 2011.11.04 10:59:00 -
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The coolest one of the new BCs |
Nyla Skin
Pew Pew Corp Behold.
32
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:01:00 -
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I think it looks too weird...
But thanks for making it anyway |
Arklan1
Dunedain Rangers WUT ALLIANCE
6
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:02:00 -
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excellent. i look forward to killing them with my tornado. |
adopt
We Need A Home
97
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:02:00 -
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Looks amazing, but the 'nado is better, jus' sayin' Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled. |
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Kaaahhhhnnn
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:04:00 -
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I love you so much CCP. |
Max Von Sydow
Droneboat Diplomacy
22
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:05:00 -
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now just give it back its double bonuses so it will be useful as well as awesome looking. |
Xue Slick
The Damned Legion
6
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:05:00 -
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Good work CCP. Looking awesome!
Hoping you fix the shield bonus bug for the expansion also :) Then this ship will Rock! |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
221
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:09:00 -
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So, this picture: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/2816/3059/Caldari_Ship.jpg
On the overhead shot there's arrows pointing from the inside with 'animation' written. If this is true, the ship will simply be awesome. |
Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
70
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:10:00 -
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Is it too late to ask for the weapon arms to be made asymmetrical in length? |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
221
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:12:00 -
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Also:
Quote:Military experts are calling the Naga GÇPa Rokh from afar - a Raven up closeGÇ£
I just love it when devs put EVE memes into the devblogs |
Louis deGuerre
Malevolence. Void Alliance
60
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:13:00 -
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That vid made me jump out of my seat !
Death to all hedonists ! FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |
Nlex
Domini Canium
2
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:20:00 -
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I assume new BCs are going to have ship bonuses on fitting of large guns/missiles? And not just more PG? |
Hienz Doofenshmirtz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:20:00 -
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so prety |
Nunda Kamachupa
Make Mine A '99
5
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:21:00 -
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Nice, but isn't that just a blatant ripoff of the Sulaco, from Aliens? I hope someones lawyers don't get narked! |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
683
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:21:00 -
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It might be of further interest to some that the word "naga" is a verb that means to "gnaw" in the Icelandic language...and I'm sure the Naga will gnaw on a few hulls in the near future CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
683
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:23:00 -
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Kaaahhhhnnn wrote:I love you so much CCP.
We love you too. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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CCP Stillman
C C P C C P Alliance
97
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:24:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Kaaahhhhnnn wrote:I love you so much CCP. We love you too. Group hug! Associate QA Tester for Team EVESec. |
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Raneru
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
8
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:29:00 -
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I knew I trained torps for something other than bombers! |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
131
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:32:00 -
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BC5 and T2 Torps crew checking in \o/ |
ASadOldGit
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:32:00 -
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Nunda Kamachupa wrote:Nice, but isn't that just a bit of a ripoff of the Sulaco, from Aliens? I hope someones lawyers don't get narked! edit: it's also quite similar to the command ship from near the end of Tron.
Sorry, no - quite a bit of difference - http://images.wikia.com/aliens/images/2/2f/Sulaco-ir3.jpg
My container is NOT imploding! It's just a bit upset that it only sees T1 modules and cheap rocks. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
43
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:33:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:It might be of further interest to some that the word "naga" is a verb that means to "gnaw" in the Icelandic language...and I'm sure the Naga will gnaw on a few hulls in the near future
Gnager lite diskret p+Ñ CCP Guards fot. |
Florestan Bronstein
The Waterworks
156
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:34:00 -
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<3 military experts |
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:37:00 -
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Evelgrivion;268515 wrote:Military experts are calling the Naga "a Rokh from afar - a Raven up close" ...but they might want to skip namecalling altogether because the Naga has entered warp and will soon be unleashing hell in a system near you.
I c what you did there. |
Joost Caldari
Joost Inventor Labs Black Sun Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:40:00 -
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I love it, looks fantastic! Right in line with my skills and plans for the future of my toon... |
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Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
20
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:41:00 -
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I like the looks of that big thing. |
Zoe Alarhun
The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation
46
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:45:00 -
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BABY ROKH! |
Sadayiel
Inner Conflict
8
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:50:00 -
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ASadOldGit wrote:Nunda Kamachupa wrote:Nice, but isn't that just a bit of a ripoff of the Sulaco, from Aliens? I hope someones lawyers don't get narked! edit: it's also quite similar to the command ship from near the end of Tron. Sorry, no - quite a bit of difference - http://images.wikia.com/aliens/images/2/2f/Sulaco-ir3.jpg
The original shulaco design was to *mimic* the pulse rifle looks from the marines, so it gave the idea of be a huge weapon in space. |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
3
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:50:00 -
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This looks epic fun - I just pray CCP doesn't ruin the game play by enforcing long range bonus and forced split weapons... See how well it works for Moa and Ferox in everyday pvp
Pinky |
Shadowsword
The Rough Riders Ares Protectiva
59
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:54:00 -
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Not sure I like the design, but I could get used to it, I suppose.
However, if the Naga remain the only BC whose weapons are boosted by only one ship bonus, I have zero interest in using one. |
cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers BricK sQuAD.
6
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Posted - 2011.11.04 12:01:00 -
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I love the look of the naga. Looks so caldari and MEAN! Also... a caldari ship with flexibility....hell ******* yes CCP!! |
Vedje
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.11.04 12:03:00 -
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The Offerer wrote:Drake sandwich It looks awesome
Made me lol xD |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
192
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Posted - 2011.11.04 12:04:00 -
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Weld two drakes together at the tips and you get The Tuning Fork of Doom! This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
London
27
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Posted - 2011.11.04 12:06:00 -
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My entry was called the Naga... :( EVE: Create a Starship - Naga Frigate |
Floydd Heywood
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2011.11.04 12:07:00 -
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Well, if someone had shown that ship to me and said it's a Rokh, I would have believed it. Without checking ingame, it looks like a Rokh to me. Which isn't bad, the Rokh is a cool-looking ship.
The Oracle looks way greater though, which is also good because Amarr > Caldari |
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Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.11.04 12:19:00 -
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The Naga eh?
Can anyone at CCP enlighten me why they've stepped away from the avian names for Caldari? Especially with Naga being deity-like, surely that would have been a better fit with Gallente? |
Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
22
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Posted - 2011.11.04 12:19:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Equally capable of fitting large torpedo launchers, large rail guns or even blasters A Caldari ship capable of failing hard in three separate range brackets! Now that's what I call flexibility.
Looks nice though. |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
334
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Posted - 2011.11.04 12:19:00 -
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I liked your post because I like Caldari.
I unliked it because you decided to put fail Rails instead of Caldari Cruise Missiles.
Cruise Missiles run at the same speed as heavies meaning that this ship could have kept up and fought along side Caldari Drake fleets.
10% Rail Dmg is not gonna do much between Alpha Arty and Scorch. Cruise Missiles could have been a fleet weapon.
Another bastardized blasterized Caldari fail boat with Torp Launchers so it can station camp too. Great. |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
334
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Posted - 2011.11.04 12:22:00 -
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Sadayiel wrote: The original shulaco design was to *mimic* the pulse rifle looks from the marines, so it gave the idea of be a huge weapon in space.
That Ship became the basis for UNSC Ship designs in Halo.
They based there entire UNSC Military after the example set up in Aliens.
Defined the Space Marine Genre.
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Warde Guildencrantz
Fake Philanthropists P I R A T E S
3
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Posted - 2011.11.04 12:23:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:I liked your post because I like Caldari.
I unliked it because you decided to put fail Rails instead of Caldari Cruise Missiles.
Cruise Missiles run at the same speed as heavies meaning that this ship could have kept up and fought along side Caldari Drake fleets.
10% Rail Dmg is not gonna do much between Alpha Arty and Scorch.
Another bastardized blasterized Caldari fail boat with Torp Launchers so it can station camp too. Great.
Ever shot a cruise missile from long range?
If so, it probably hasn't hit the target yet. Good luck with that fight! |
Duchess Starbuckington
Starbuckington Manor
11
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Posted - 2011.11.04 12:27:00 -
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Looks good. Loving how the art team kept the original appearence on the whole but made it a bit less boxy.
Now let's just pray they un-nerf the bonuses and it might be worth flying. |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
334
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Posted - 2011.11.04 12:28:00 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote: Ever shot a cruise missile from long range?
If so, it probably hasn't hit the target yet. Good luck with that fight!
Ever shot someone with heavy missiles in a Drake from 20-50KM?
If so you probably are not engaging at ridiculous ranges. It is the extra Damage of Cruise Missiles not the Range that will make them fit in with Drake Gangs. They move the same speed therefor can engage from the same range as Drakes.
Torpedoes are to slow and inaccurate for fleet work. |
Erik Finnegan
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
11
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Posted - 2011.11.04 12:29:00 -
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Visually, the best of four. |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
65
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Posted - 2011.11.04 12:41:00 -
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So the Caldari get the most flexible one and the Gallente probably not even a dronebay?
Remove the damn turret slots and leave hybrids to Gallente! |
John McCreedy
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
11
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Posted - 2011.11.04 12:51:00 -
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Thanks for that vid, CCP. If I wasn't afraid of Snakes before, I bloody well am now! |
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hired goon
Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix
3
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Posted - 2011.11.04 12:51:00 -
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Whats with all new Caldari ships these days being essentially rectangles? When I was your age, the inspiration for each Caldari ship was origami. |
Ulair Memmet
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
4
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Posted - 2011.11.04 12:54:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:So the Caldari get the most flexible one and the Gallente probably not even a dronebay?
Remove the damn turret slots and leave hybrids to Gallente!
Flexible means it's going to suck at doing one thing well ^^ I bet the Talos will kick it's ass if they both fit blasters.
Edit: The Naga looks damn good though |
Ishanmae
Good Man.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 12:59:00 -
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Nice video CCP Guard :)
Other than that, I must say I like the ship and look forward to flying it!
Time to get those T2 Torps trained up! |
Warde Guildencrantz
Fake Philanthropists P I R A T E S
3
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Posted - 2011.11.04 13:03:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Warde Guildencrantz wrote: Ever shot a cruise missile from long range?
If so, it probably hasn't hit the target yet. Good luck with that fight!
Ever shot someone with heavy missiles in a Drake from 20-50KM? If so you probably are not engaging at ridiculous ranges. It is the extra Damage of Cruise Missiles not the Range that will make them fit in with Drake Gangs. They move the same speed therefor can engage from the same range as Drakes. Torpedoes are to slow and inaccurate for fleet work.
and cruise missiles are fairly inaccurate as well, and do about 10% more damage than heavies. Why don't you just use rails, they will be just as powerful (if not more powerful) as cruises after the buff and will hit instantly.
There is always a better option than cruises. Other than in missions of course. |
Moonaura
Swedish Aerospace Inc The Kadeshi
2
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Posted - 2011.11.04 13:04:00 -
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So pleased this is the one picked from the Caldari entries, it was by far the strongest.
I really look forward to flying it, but also I hope CCP Tallest, won't forget the Rokh will be even less useful now if it doesn't get some buff love as part of the Hybrid tweaks. |
Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
86
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Posted - 2011.11.04 13:09:00 -
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hum i need to see it ingame, for now i dunno if i'll like this skin :P |
Silath Slyver Silverpine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.11.04 13:11:00 -
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Wow... I... I actually like the Naga design most out of all the new BC's.
Me gusta. |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
335
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Posted - 2011.11.04 13:12:00 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote: and cruise missiles are fairly inaccurate as well, and do about 10% more damage than heavies. Why don't you just use rails, they will be just as powerful (if not more powerful) as cruises after the buff and will hit instantly.
There is always a better option than cruises. Other than in missions of course.
With 8 Launchers witha Dmg Bonus and 2 BCU's you will get 650 Damage or flat 60% Damage increase over Heavy Missiles.
More then Rails, Cruise Missiles are more accurate, can select Dmg Types, the fleet is set up to support missiles, they can hit farther if need be w/o loss of dmg and the 50 Painters the fleet will be carrying will be more beneficial to Cruise Missiles.
Rails on the other hand are looking to stay in the Dumpster after the expansion hits.
So yeah, Cruise Missiles.
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Trouble Tomahawk
The Hidden Stars
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 13:34:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:It might be of further interest to some that the word "naga" is a verb that means to "gnaw" in the Icelandic language...and I'm sure the Naga will gnaw on a few hulls in the near future
Naga in Malay is simply means "Dragon". |
Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD
149
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Posted - 2011.11.04 13:42:00 -
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Good god it is beautiful! I can't wait to get my hands on one! I stated in another thread that I seriously doubted this one would be the one...I was wrong. Never been so happy to be wrong. Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |
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Naomi Wildfire
Spricer Raiden.
22
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Posted - 2011.11.04 13:46:00 -
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doesnt it look a bit like the unholy child of a Rokh and a Charon? |
Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession
8
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Posted - 2011.11.04 13:49:00 -
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It's a handsome ship, I just hope that it ends up worth using. |
VonSchwarz1
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 13:54:00 -
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1. It looks really good 2. I just looked at it on SiSi: + fast as hell - hybrid system sucks, because u just get the damn range Bonus. - hasnt got the cap bonus for Hybrids the Talos got, so u're pretty damn fast out of cap to fire your Rails - Torps without a TP Bonus suck
--> this thingys only good thing, is that u can watch it spinning in your hangar
It seems it was good i cross trained, but i should have gone for the Minnies, i fear the Talos will be outran by the other 2 Tier 3 BCs |
Daenna Chrysi
Omega Foundry Unit Shadows Of Betrayal
3
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Posted - 2011.11.04 13:57:00 -
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I hope CCP is going to make a habit of this, the game needs a lot more new ships, even if they just have the specs of already existing ships, I just want more hangar candy =P
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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:00:00 -
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY YOU NO MAKE IT ASYMMETRIC? |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
335
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:03:00 -
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Jodis Talvanen wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY YOU NO MAKE IT ASYMMETRIC? It is.
It has wingy bits.
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League
3
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:13:00 -
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Hybrids are not reserved for the Gallente - The hybrids were written into the background of Caldari from the beginning even if most of the Caldari hybrid ships suffer from less attractive range bonus and having the missile boats as their most effecient assets...
Back when I first selected Caldari I chose them for the reason of looking pleasingly human and having railgun ships in their description... Luckily CCP designed the Rokh just when my skilltraining was ready for it.
Unfortunately the Caldari Railgun ships lack tank (in form of medslots usually) to make up for the weak railguns and flawed "sniping mechanism" that got 100% obsolete when probing became almost instant... The Gallente at least had damage bonuses to annihilate anything up close where they could pin an enemy or just stayt out of engaging.
Pinky |
indicast
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:16:00 -
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me gusta.will probably be the best looking ship |
Chi Ftele
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:18:00 -
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it looks like my car key, I may stick to drakes... That is all. |
The Crimson Invaider
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
3
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:23:00 -
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Well the naga is something which I am particularly excited about, putting out more damage than a torp raven, enabling it to smash structures and capital ships, while having an okish tank in comparison to the paper thin nature of the talos (33k ehp). Not to mention it will be interesting for suicide ganking.
According to the numbers and the pyfa build leaked you can get a rokh to put out similar dps and tank to an arty maelstrom so there could be a resurgence of rail ships in the future.
Keep up the good work ccp, keep up telling us what you are up to in your volcanic lair, the constant communication and daily dev blogs are a sign that the direction of the game is improving.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
36
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:35:00 -
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Propably the best looking ship out of the four, but they all have their own charm. Can't wait to see them all in the game. |
Tlat Ij
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:38:00 -
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Bonuses to torps, rails and blasters but not cruise missiles? Why do you hate cruise missiles CCP? |
Vrykolakasis
Trinity Operations Aurora Irae
2
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:38:00 -
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Love the design, I'll second that I hope it comes with similar bonuses and capabilities to the other ships. "It's flexible" is not a bonus - if anything it means that it needs more bonuses, enough to make various fittings equally viable. |
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
38
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:43:00 -
[84] - Quote
Buzzmong wrote:The Naga eh?
Can anyone at CCP enlighten me why they've stepped away from the avian names for Caldari? Especially with Naga being deity-like, surely that would have been a better fit with Gallente?
even the "Robin" would have sounded more caldari than "naga" as a snake
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Dr Sodius
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:50:00 -
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small question:
are the BPO's of the new BC's seeded like all other tech 1 BPO's?
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H3llHound
Nex Exercitus Raiden.
2
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:54:00 -
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Will the naga also be able to fit cruise launchers? |
Kari Trace
21 SVC Corp Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:54:00 -
[87] - Quote
*above two posts
That's what I though, Caldari boats were named after beasts of flight...
and I will sop be buying a BPO for this bad boy. Torp/Cruise + Hybrids...8 high slots...what are we looking at for max blaster DPS? |
wanking monkey girl
Capital Maintenance
4
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:02:00 -
[88] - Quote
have to say it looks good makes me thinks caldari just got a beast of a ship coming out
can we have a update to the cap changes thread any feed back is welcomed and to leave a thread go over 100 pages with out any reply is a insult |
Havak Kouvo
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:05:00 -
[89] - Quote
Its a torp battlecruiser, a freaking torp battlecruiser. a ******* TORP BATTLECRUISER! it could only be more awesome if it had **** and was on fire |
VaL Iscariot
The Concilium Enterprises Spectrum Alliance
6
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:09:00 -
[90] - Quote
After this ship goes live my good old siege Raven will be set out to pasture. He's been a trusty bird. Tried, true and faithful. Ahh, I remember when I first got him.... ::flash back wavy lines:: I was a pubby back in those days, gawking at the awesome firepower torpedo's had to offer. He was just a little puppy that I picked up while browsing in Jita. (That's when I still had a positive security status, mind you) He jumped up, licked my face and was just so darn cute, he melted my cearbear heart.
So, I set to training up for those fancy schmancy tech 2 siege launchers. Even target painters made it to tech 2 just for him. Taking off those Arbalest launchers and putting on the Tech 2 siege was a right of passage in my book. My first ever t2 large weapons.
Sure, lots of people said: "VaL, torps suck. Everything else is better then torps." And I said: "Get 'em Herbert!" Then they exploded, and didn't say much after that.
Many a tower has fallen to that Raven, and many a kill mail has it laid out the most damage. Best dern sub capital POS sieger ISK can buy, I tell you what. Probably still will be, considering tank and gank. Good old Herbert. I'll come visit the farm every so often, and hell, I might even take ya out for a run now and again. But you go on now, and breed little Ravens and Drakes a plenty! |
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Insane Randomness
Perkone Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:15:00 -
[91] - Quote
Awwwwwwwwwwwe yeah! Caldari firepower bitches! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:25:00 -
[92] - Quote
the ship should be using cruise missiles not torps.... ccp took away the close range abilities of the other 3 ships... so should they for this ship aswell...
remove the torps and replace with a rof bonus and allow either to fit torps and cruise or just cruise... |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
137
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:28:00 -
[93] - Quote
Quote:Equally capable of fitting large torpedo launchers, large rail guns or even blasters, the Naga is easily the most flexible weapons platform of the four new battlecruisers
Do I smell split weapon systems? Oh, the tears will be sweet. |
Jitabics
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:37:00 -
[94] - Quote
Fail design, its a simple Rokh. Like the Myrm..khm...Tornado. |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:43:00 -
[95] - Quote
I like it.
As a gunner (an oddity for a Caldari pilot, I know) such a ship is really nice for me. Honestly I don't know which of these new battlecruiser I like the best. Luckily I am qualified to fly all of them. |
Oftherocks
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
1
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:56:00 -
[96] - Quote
I loved the video! |
Hienz Doofenshmirtz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:02:00 -
[97] - Quote
After flying this ship on the test server I have one simple request for the devs, can we keep it in White, it looks so sharp |
Phunnestyle
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:04:00 -
[98] - Quote
Looks like my toaster, but hey lets see what she got =) |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
42
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:28:00 -
[99] - Quote
At first I said kinda "...meh," but it's already growing on me.
Is it too late to ask to have the vertical hull-sections canted tin towards each other (IE towards the horizontal at the top) a bit? That would make it absolutely perfect imho. Captures the cold, metallic "functionality first" aesthetic of the Caldari perfectly, though. I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |
Baneken
The New Knighthood The Polaris Syndicate
15
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:30:00 -
[100] - Quote
Buzzmong wrote:The Naga eh?
Can anyone at CCP enlighten me why they've stepped away from the avian names for Caldari? Especially with Naga being deity-like, surely that would have been a better fit with Gallente?
Because a Naga isn't a god but a legendary serpent from Hindu legends also means 'snake' in hindi and several other local languages. |
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
42
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:33:00 -
[101] - Quote
Tlat Ij wrote:Bonuses to torps, rails and blasters but not cruise missiles? Why do you hate cruise missiles CCP?
Cruise missiles need a little more work than just an RoF bonus, I think... I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
55
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:38:00 -
[102] - Quote
That is one god-awful ugly looking ship.
On par for Caldari. |
Moonaura
Swedish Aerospace Inc The Kadeshi
3
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:49:00 -
[103] - Quote
Nathan Jameson wrote:That is one god-awful ugly looking ship. On par for Caldari.
Beauty as they say, is in the eye of the beholder. I think it is classic EvE ship and very nice, I think they all work great. |
offcopy
OffBeat Creations
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:59:00 -
[104] - Quote
Dr Sodius wrote:small question:
are the BPO's of the new BC's seeded like all other tech 1 BPO's?
if they are what are you looking at the cost of each bpo being |
Dr Cedric
Orbital Industry and Research.
7
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Posted - 2011.11.04 17:00:00 -
[105] - Quote
This is very exciting...when do we get them on Sisi?? |
Largo Coronet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2011.11.04 17:15:00 -
[106] - Quote
The last thing your Orca pilot sees: A giant, torp-spitting tuning fork.
Yes, I think I'll focus on this ship and the Tornado come the expansion. The others will be nice, but I have my personal preferences. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
159
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Posted - 2011.11.04 17:27:00 -
[107] - Quote
Nada |
Kassasis Dakkstromri
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
96
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Posted - 2011.11.04 17:31:00 -
[108] - Quote
I decided to wait several hours before posting. That way nothing I wrote would be a knee jerk post:
1 - I'm glad to see a Caldari get a multi weapons platform that can be fitted with either launchers or hybrids (maybe both)
2 - I'm really excited at shooting things in the face with T2 Torps!
3 - Like many Caldari ships (excluding the Scorpion) I'm sure the utilitarian design will grow on all of us - loved more for what it can do, and less about how pretty it looks.
4 - I'm just wondering if this is still the race that designed the Scorpion?
5 - Only a cool (limited) transformation animation of some kind would wipe away an pangs of feeling underwhelmed or disappointed.
6 - Regardless of the above, I am proud of CCP for sticking to the theme of player designed ships - it will encourage others to step forward with inventive creations that CCP could draw from later.
7 - Did I mention my wonder if this ship is from the same race that designed the Scorpion?
In the end if her beauty is in her stats, then just add beer goggles and I'm sure she'll do |
Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.11.04 17:49:00 -
[109] - Quote
Baneken wrote:Buzzmong wrote:The Naga eh?
Can anyone at CCP enlighten me why they've stepped away from the avian names for Caldari? Especially with Naga being deity-like, surely that would have been a better fit with Gallente? Because a Naga isn't a god but a legendary serpent from Hindu legends also means 'snake' in hindi and several other local languages.
And my point about it not being avian is nullified how? |
Ronen Osden
Ronen's NEW And Improved Mining Services
1
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Posted - 2011.11.04 18:06:00 -
[110] - Quote
Looks kinda like a bifurcated rokh ... I fully intend on flying ALL 4 new ships ... assuming they dont cost 50x their mats. |
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killertoaster
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 18:13:00 -
[111] - Quote
i think it is unfair that caldary get a baby megatron that was sqeezed by birth and i love the design great job |
C4 985
Space Fiber Weavers
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 18:23:00 -
[112] - Quote
I am dissapointed that the caldari BC is not the 2nd place ship from the contest but i like the choice.
Now, please , just please don't mix up the slots like : 3 turrets and 4 missiles. Please let there be the choice of having a full rack of missiles or turrets. We all know that mixing them is a bad choice.
Otherwise i am glad I renewed my subscription. |
Caiman Graystock
Comrades in Construction Mean Coalition
8
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Posted - 2011.11.04 18:36:00 -
[113] - Quote
Hey CCP while you're at it with this ship why not re-balance the Tech II Target Painter so its better than the PWNAGE? |
OblivionDawn
The Warsaw Pact Lonely Maple Conglomeration
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 18:47:00 -
[114] - Quote
Huh. Kinda strange looking.
I think I'll get over it though, once I'm delivering TOTALHELLDEATH VIA TORPEDO |
Omnium Domitor
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:19:00 -
[115] - Quote
I know it's still WIP, but the removal of explosion velocity/radius bonus on torps is a big letdown.
Why do we even want large hybrid optimal ranged bonus on Naga, when Rokh already has that and nobody uses it?
Either focus on being a complete missile boat or hybrid turret boat, not a poor mixture of both. |
Kaaletram Lothyrawir
Ignus Astrum The Veyr Collective
3
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:22:00 -
[116] - Quote
Definitely the ship with the most versatility. Stand back New Eden the new Baton is gonna do some ship slappin' |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
222
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:29:00 -
[117] - Quote
Confirming when these ships hit TQ............ TOTALHELLDEATH will ensue. |
Votive Antiphon
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:31:00 -
[118] - Quote
I know it's still WIP, but the removal of explosion velocity/radius bonus on torps is a big letdown.
Why do we even want large hybrid optimal range bonus on Naga, when Rokh already has that and nobody uses it?
Either focus on being a complete missile boat or hybrid turret boat, not a poor mixture of both.
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Valeos Aeon
Gung-Ho
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:34:00 -
[119] - Quote
I'm not sure if i am completely missing the point with the new tier 3 ships, i've tried the Naga on sisi. And its horrible, it looks great, but we are talking about ship bonuses here. Torp's are absolute fail, not enough range, both as sniper and as a torp boat it preforms horribily. The only ships that shine here are the talos, and the tornado, and even the Oracle is a pure powerhouse, shooting with pulse lasers at over 80km. The other tier 3 are perfect for kiting or gank up close. Not so much the Naga because it wont hit much. Would work as a support ship, but the others can work perfect solo and thats the whole issue here. Why fly a naga if you can fly a drake because of the range? Might aswell let it have a cruise bonus instead. I'd love to see 25m3 drone bays on all of them.
Anyways, great job, all of the ships look great so far. And the new nebula's too.
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Altaica Amur
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Important Internet Spaceship League
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:42:00 -
[120] - Quote
Omnium Domitor wrote:I know it's still WIP, but the removal of explosion velocity/radius bonus on torps is a big letdown.
Why do we even want large hybrid optimal ranged bonus on Naga, when Rokh already has that and nobody uses it?
Either focus on being a complete missile boat or hybrid turret boat, not a poor mixture of both.
Honestly I think any hybrid optimal range bonus anywhere is misguided. Sure it's great for rails but no other race is restricted to only using the long range variant of their guns. Turning optimal range bonuses into optimal+falloff bonus on hybrid ships would make blasters on caldari gunboats actually have some unique advantages next to gallente. All that said I think this will still be a fun gunboat to run around in, perhaps a first for Caldari. |
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Baneken
The New Knighthood The Polaris Syndicate
15
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Posted - 2011.11.04 20:05:00 -
[121] - Quote
Buzzmong wrote:Baneken wrote:Buzzmong wrote:The Naga eh?
Can anyone at CCP enlighten me why they've stepped away from the avian names for Caldari? Especially with Naga being deity-like, surely that would have been a better fit with Gallente? Because a Naga isn't a god but a legendary serpent from Hindu legends also means 'snake' in hindi and several other local languages. And my point about it not being avian is nullified how?
Tengu and kitsune, unless you try to claim those two aren't mythical creatures as well. |
Thorice Greely
Acme Hardware Company
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 20:34:00 -
[122] - Quote
Naga? Please. |
Sturmwolke
37
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Posted - 2011.11.04 20:35:00 -
[123] - Quote
It's a tub. -9000 Stamp of Approval.
Needs sleeker lines please for future Caldari boats. Stop Rokhing designs.
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Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.11.04 21:19:00 -
[124] - Quote
Baneken wrote:Buzzmong wrote:Baneken wrote:Buzzmong wrote:The Naga eh?
Can anyone at CCP enlighten me why they've stepped away from the avian names for Caldari? Especially with Naga being deity-like, surely that would have been a better fit with Gallente? Because a Naga isn't a god but a legendary serpent from Hindu legends also means 'snake' in hindi and several other local languages. And my point about it not being avian is nullified how? Tengu and kitsune, unless you try to claim those two aren't mythical creatures as well.
I wasn't arguing the mythical nature of it, just the step away from a general avian theme.
Tengu is avian related as according to Wikip they take the forms of birds of prey, but I'll cede you Kitsune as it's about foxes.
I'm just generally quite curious how CCP pick the names and how they gauge the "fit" into Eve. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
65
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Posted - 2011.11.04 21:28:00 -
[125] - Quote
I'll take two |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
193
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Posted - 2011.11.04 21:41:00 -
[126] - Quote
Adunh Slavy wrote:I'll take two
Look at the model again, it comes in a two-pack already. This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
30
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:27:00 -
[127] - Quote
Looks great, the Sulaco is one of my favourite SciFi ships |
Zelphinine
OCTAGON Conglomerate
2
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Posted - 2011.11.04 22:32:00 -
[128] - Quote
If you're going to go to all this effort to put a new ship in, how about making it worhwhile to fly.
Bring back the original 2x2 bonuses so it's entirely function as a hybrid boat or a missile boat. That's versatility. Having one ****** non-damage bonus for two different weapons isn't versatility, it's stupid.
It'd be nice if CCP explained what logic they used for the Naga's bonuses, beyond some generic boilerplate 'these are Caldari bonuses'. |
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:40:00 -
[129] - Quote
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:I liked your post because I like Caldari.
I unliked it because you decided to put fail Rails instead of Caldari Cruise Missiles.
Cruise Missiles run at the same speed as heavies meaning that this ship could have kept up and fought along side Caldari Drake fleets.
10% Rail Dmg is not gonna do much between Alpha Arty and Scorch.
Another bastardized blasterized Caldari fail boat with Torp Launchers so it can station camp too. Great. Ever shot a cruise missile from long range? If so, it probably hasn't hit the target yet. Good luck with that fight!
Of course that is a great reason to not allow cruise missiles right?
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Ripperljohn
Ore Mongers Indecisive Certainty
7
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:44:00 -
[130] - Quote
looks good, but the railbonus is pointless.
give it 5% to torp explosion radius instead, otherwise it'll end up as weakest of the 4 new BC's
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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 23:48:00 -
[131] - Quote
Can someone from CCP please give the official reason why this tub should not field cruise missiles?
I mean rather than let us speculate and spin, please tell what were the considerations? Talon does rails and blasters and Naga does rails, blasters, and torps. Meanwhile no tier 3 BC does cruise missiles. Why? |
Shalia Ripper
The Elevens
5
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Posted - 2011.11.05 00:21:00 -
[132] - Quote
Buzzmong wrote:The Naga eh?
Can anyone at CCP enlighten me why they've stepped away from the avian names for Caldari? Especially with Naga being deity-like, surely that would have been a better fit with Gallente?
How avian is Scorpion or Basilisk?
They left that bird only thing quite a while ago, in fact, none of the races have a consistent naming scheme. For Tier 1 maybe, but there seem to be no hard and fast rules that CCP is using. |
Dalilus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.11.05 01:49:00 -
[133] - Quote
Sooooooo, is the Typhoon in danger of losing its "possibly the most versatile ship in Eve" status? CCP should finally make the Minmatar/Caldari hybrid..... |
Gerugamesh
The Lone Patrol Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2011.11.05 03:45:00 -
[134] - Quote
I played around with the naga on test server today and IMHO IT SUCKS ASS compared to the other tier threes. I cannot see it being a viable platfor with its current bonuses. To be honest, I wouldnt mind if it was to specialize in torpedo dps, but it needs an explosion velocity increase and a damage/rof increase. As it stands, it currently recieves range bonuses, but the torpedos are able to hit jack sh*t and it doesnt have nearly the dps as the other platforms. As far as it being a dual purpose boat, capable of using both rails and torpedos. Give it the same bonus, either damage or rof, to both torpedos and rails, but make it unable to fit cruise or blasters. This would allow it specialize a little more, so it would be capable and practical to run as a close or long range platform that is good at what it does.
These tier threes are supposed to have bs dps on a bc hull, and be very good at it. As it stands, the Naga has less dps than the raven, and cannot fit much in terms of a tank. I was completely unable to fit a single large shield extender with all lvl 5 fitting skills for my launchers and tank, as well as engineering 5. I will say that the cap is pretty nice, 3:30 seconds with microwarpdrive, scram, and resists running.
I also noticed, when fighting an oracle, that there is a major gap in the speeds of these two ships, which may not necessarily be a huge problem. as long as the Naga has something good going for it. But at the moment I can only see myself having to train a new race in order to have a USEFUL teir three battlecruiser.
CCP, I understand that the Naga was OP in its first iteration, BUT PLEASE FIX THIS! Caldari have always been on the bottom in most classes when it comes to pvp, the ferox is a POS, the drake has the sig radius of a small city when fitted for t2 launchers and extenders, and today, except for POS bashes, the raven is unused and not accepted by fc's, and the Rokh is utterly useless. For a class that is meant to be full PvP I would like to see the caldari in the upper tier of the pecking order for once. |
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2011.11.05 03:51:00 -
[135] - Quote
Still with the hybrid optimal bonus?
FFS CCP.
Also lol at anyone who thinks this ship is anything but bad.
looks aight but. |
John Hand
7
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Posted - 2011.11.05 04:09:00 -
[136] - Quote
Love the ship!
Torp and Blaster fit are the two fits for this ship that will make it epic. Blasters will have a 10km opti and torps will fire out to 25km (t2 short range) or just shy of 30 with normal torps. Both fits are very high DPS, torp at 939 DPS and blaster at 850 DPS. Torp fit will bring both high DPS and High Volly highest volly out of all the short range fits for all 4 ships. Plus the tank isn't too shabby but CCP said they were going to be glass fits anyways, made for high DPS low tank.
The hybrid bonus is normal for all caldari ships, never will they have a damage bonus, but this ship will be able to hit smaller targets because of its tracking bonus.
These ships are made to fight battleships and capitals (meaning no need for the SC nerf anymore). |
Stan Smith
Remenent British Federation
10
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Posted - 2011.11.05 04:45:00 -
[137] - Quote
Quote: Buzzmong wrote: The Naga eh?
Can anyone at CCP enlighten me why they've stepped away from the avian names for Caldari? Especially with Naga being deity-like, surely that would have been a better fit with Gallente?
dont forget the cerberus! remember that mythical bird anyone? anyone? |
Moonaura
Swedish Aerospace Inc The Kadeshi
3
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Posted - 2011.11.05 09:48:00 -
[138] - Quote
John Hand wrote: The hybrid bonus is normal for all caldari ships, never will they have a damage bonus, but this ship will be able to hit smaller targets because of its tracking bonus.
I'm not sure where you are getting the tracking bonus from, it doesn't get a tracking bonus. It get's a range bonus. The Gallente Talos is the only one with a tracking bonus.
And regarding they will never get a damage bonus, the Rokh and Eagle are woefully underpowered compared to the alternative races and absolutely should get a small damage bonus for blasters as part of the hybrid review and balancing, so they are no longer the joke ships everyone laughs at when you bring them to fleet.
My initial feeling is that the Naga might be the weakest of the four, but to be honest, it needs several nights of testing and different fits to confirm that. A fellow corpie had a good fight vs a megathron in his last night, with the Mega in 20% armour before he popped.
The Oracle tank numbers (buffer fit) aren't that far off the Naga and it has a much smaller signature, being only slightly larger than a Zealot, but is only slightly slower than the Naga, even with two armour plates in it and a trimark, but it does get a DPS bonus and has medium slots to fit tracking computers. I feel this is a stronger boat with better range and ability to quickly change crystals, I think CCP Guards prediction may be correct! |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Limitless Inc.
188
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Posted - 2011.11.05 10:19:00 -
[139] - Quote
Such incredibly ugly ship.. not to mention it'd look alot better (but still butt ugly) in big size. It should've been a dread, or the very least a battleship, but hey. Yuck. this is a signature |
Will DestroyYou
2
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Posted - 2011.11.05 11:03:00 -
[140] - Quote
Those bonuses are just aweful. Not enough speed or missile range to use torps, not enough speed to use blasters, and not enough dps from railguns for such a tankless ship.
Remove the hybrid bonuses and give the ship a stealth bomber style torp velocity and radius bonus (cruise would also be nice - enough speed to actually hit before the enemy titan raises it's finger at you and warps out) so it can fly in drake gangs; otherwise, this ship will be completely useless and not allowed in fleets like the rest of caldari. |
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Xhondo Dhoru
Love Me Dead ISKoholics Center of Rehabilitation
2
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Posted - 2011.11.05 13:38:00 -
[141] - Quote
What is with all the bears asking for a cruise bonus. This is not a pve ship.
Cruise are very rarely used in pvp and there are strong reasons that this is true. If anything, give the Naga another torp bonus.
The option to go with hybrids or torps is cool, don't get me wrong. Remember though, that the Rokh already has a large hybrid optimal bonus and has far more buffer to it's advantage. I can think of only one alliance in all of EVE that actually uses rokhs over some other ship (like maels) and they are not used very frequently.
Perhaps the hybrid adjustments will change this, but I doubt it. |
Arthas Wallace
Critical Mass Inc. Pinked
0
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Posted - 2011.11.05 13:42:00 -
[142] - Quote
Looks like an industrial ship.... terrible! |
Tlat Ij
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.05 14:10:00 -
[143] - Quote
Lyrrashae wrote:Tlat Ij wrote:Bonuses to torps, rails and blasters but not cruise missiles? Why do you hate cruise missiles CCP? Cruise missiles need a little more work than just an RoF bonus, I think...
That's not the point though. The point is you can't even FIT cruise missiles onto the thing. It can fit both BS level hybrids but only one type of BS level missiles, which is like saying it can only fit blasters but not railguns. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
120
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Posted - 2011.11.05 14:10:00 -
[144] - Quote
Xhondo Dhoru wrote:What is with all the bears asking for a cruise bonus. This is not a pve ship.
Cruise are very rarely used in pvp and there are strong reasons that this is true. If anything, give the Naga another torp bonus.
The option to go with hybrids or torps is cool, don't get me wrong. Remember though, that the Rokh already has a large hybrid optimal bonus and has far more buffer to it's advantage. I can think of only one alliance in all of EVE that actually uses rokhs over some other ship (like maels) and they are not used very frequently.
Perhaps the hybrid adjustments will change this, but I doubt it.
This ship chance is that will have 2 different weapon bonus so it will not join the Rokh has hangar queen or mine rocks in space.
You will be able to use it with super torps, but hybrids? -hahaha hahahaha hahahahhahahahaha
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Ammath
Nasgul Collective Cascade Imminent
2
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Posted - 2011.11.05 14:38:00 -
[145] - Quote
Is it just me or is this not close to Sark's carrier from the original TRON ?
Sark's Carrier
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Dogma Rex
Eve Engineering Research Eve Engineering
0
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Posted - 2011.11.05 15:48:00 -
[146] - Quote
Firstly amazing ship, really like it
After a few hours testing the current version on the test server I have to say:
Works really well as a Railgun Platform with 8x 350mm Rails was doing some nice damage.
With the Siege Missiles could use a few extra % reduction in CPU requirement to optimise the fitting of the ship, to make it which will make it perfect for use with Siege Missiles.
Not sure but I think the Tier 3 Battlecruisers generally could use a small drone bay, have 5 light drones to launch at frigates, but if it gets added or not wont take away from the ships ability.
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Ky Vatta
Majority 12
0
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Posted - 2011.11.05 16:06:00 -
[147] - Quote
Firstly, what sort of bird is a Naga?? (really, CCP, you are running out of bird names for Caldari ships?)
Secondly, that design really sucks, it`s like cross between a Rokh and and Industrial...the design people must really be running out of ideas As the Caldari ships are getting drabber with every new design, it is no wonder I fly more Amarr ships
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Kassasis Dakkstromri
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
96
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Posted - 2011.11.05 16:22:00 -
[148] - Quote
Ky Vatta wrote:Firstly, what sort of bird is a Naga?? (really, CCP, you are running out of bird names for Caldari ships?) Secondly, that design really sucks, it`s like cross between a Rokh and and Industrial...the design people must really be running out of ideas As the Caldari ships are getting drabber with every new design, it is no wonder I fly more Amarr ships
/facepalm
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Nowtony
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.05 17:18:00 -
[149] - Quote
In the first picture, are those Missiles launcher ?! They looks like the 'Staline's Orgue' any chance to see them soon in - game or did you just create these for that picture ?! |
Nimrod Nemesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2011.11.05 18:24:00 -
[150] - Quote
The look is growing on me.
The stats and bonuses continue to disgust me. |
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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2011.11.05 20:15:00 -
[151] - Quote
lets not look at its look but stats and bonuses ccp why split bonuses? one for rails and one for torps? wtf ... so if you fit eighter you are only using 1 bonus and it is a " stupid " optimal one which is crappy
eighter do 2 -2 bonuses for both hybrids and torps or add another one not weapon related , havent you learn anything from typhoon ,althou that have more slots and drones than the rest tier 1 bs to compensate+awesome speed and agility with good signiture |
Nimrod Nemesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2011.11.05 21:07:00 -
[152] - Quote
Too disgusted with this ship to even bother any more on sisi. Dear god, who thought this was a good idea? |
Jahned
Infested U.E.D.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.05 21:10:00 -
[153] - Quote
Ky Vatta wrote:Firstly, what sort of bird is a Naga?? (really, CCP, you are running out of bird names for Caldari ships?) Secondly, that design really sucks, it`s like cross between a Rokh and and Industrial...the design people must really be running out of ideas As the Caldari ships are getting drabber with every new design, it is no wonder I fly more Amarr ships
Hey bumbum, you are dumdum. This was a player designed ship, as are all of the tier 3 BCs. Besides, Naga is a serpent, and I do believe that there is such a thing as a winged serpent. |
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:00:00 -
[154] - Quote
Ky Vatta wrote:Firstly, what sort of bird is a Naga?? (really, CCP, you are running out of bird names for Caldari ships?) Secondly, that design really sucks, it`s like cross between a Rokh and and Industrial...the design people must really be running out of ideas
What type of bird is a scorpion again? |
DemetRYS
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:48:00 -
[155] - Quote
:Sigh:
I just spent some time testing the naga on sisi and i'm just speechless. It's "flexibility," is alternating between awful rail dps or unapplicable torp/blaster dps. The overall dps numbers, regardless of fit (torp fit arguably just doesn't work with current CPU) are abyssmal. It's slow as a barn compared to the other new BCs. It brings nothing to the table in this form. Nothing.
Far be it from me to suggest something radical like a dedicated cruise-missile ship (which i'd love to see, pending some kind of cruise missile revamp in the future), but that's what feels best here. Unless the design scheme for caldari ships as bloated sig shield lumps, moving at the speed of continental drift, is dramaticall altered for this one ship there's no way it will make any headway as a torp boat or a blaster boat. Furthermore, dedicating it to rails will present us with another rokh. I think we all know that we don't want another rail sniper unless ccp really delivers a substantial amount of continued work on hybrid buffs.
In any event, the fact is that this split bonus charade isn't going to hold up. If the ship is released anywhere near this level of fail it will go down as a legendary example of CCP's disconnect with it's own game.
Edit: Yes, i'm mad. |
Nimrod Nemesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:55:00 -
[156] - Quote
DemetRYS wrote::Sigh:
I just spent some time testing the naga on sisi and i'm just speechless. It's "flexibility," is alternating between awful rail dps or unapplicable torp/blaster dps. The overall dps numbers, regardless of fit (torp fit arguably just doesn't work with current CPU) are abyssmal. It's slow as a barn compared to the other new BCs. It brings nothing to the table in this form. Nothing.
Far be it from me to suggest something radical like a dedicated cruise-missile ship (which i'd love to see, pending some kind of cruise missile revamp in the future), but that's what feels best here. Unless the design scheme for caldari ships as bloated sig shield lumps, moving at the speed of continental drift, is dramaticall altered for this one ship there's no way it will make any headway as a torp boat or a blaster boat. Furthermore, dedicating it to rails will present us with another rokh. I think we all know that we don't want another rail sniper unless ccp really delivers a substantial amount of continued work on hybrid buffs.
In any event, the fact is that this split bonus charade isn't going to hold up. If the ship is released anywhere near this level of fail it will go down as a legendary example of CCP's disconnect with it's own game.
Edit: Yes, i'm mad.
QFT |
grgjegb gergerg
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.06 00:02:00 -
[157] - Quote
I don't follow this either. They're supposed to be glass cannons, as they mount large weapons on a medium-ish hull.
So, CCP gives it range bonuses. The other 3 get damage/capacitor bonuses, yet the Naga does not?
And now, it can mount 3 separate weapon systems, yet does not have the bonuses to use them effectively- no damage bonus for the hybrids, and no target painter bonus for the torpedoes.
Seems to me that this particular setup gives it with one possible role, and leaves it unable to fill that role effectively. |
Will DestroyYou
3
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:12:00 -
[158] - Quote
Those bonuses are just aweful. Not enough speed or missile range to use torps, not enough speed to use blasters, and not enough dps from railguns for such a tankless ship.
Remove the hybrid bonuses and give the ship a stealth bomber style torp velocity and radius bonus so it can fly in drake gangs (cruise speed bonus would also be nice - enough speed to actually hit before the enemy titan raises it's finger at you and warps out); otherwise, this ship will be completely useless and not allowed in fleets like the rest of caldari.
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Kordoc
Death Metal Rooster
2
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Posted - 2011.11.06 06:03:00 -
[159] - Quote
Love the look. Its naked military technology. It's basically a pulse-rifle with a hyperdrive bolted on. Just one look at it and you know there aren't gonna be any Jacuzzis on board. |
Dare Devel
Perkone Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.11.06 08:17:00 -
[160] - Quote
Will DestroyYou wrote:Disadvantages: * Some players will need to respec some skillpoints - but there is already a system in place to do this (so no issue here).
[b]^^^ this is the perfect LONG-TERM solution to both missile lag, and caldari/gallente!!!
I am a noob. Could you tell me how I can re-allocate 4 mill SP that I have on hybrid into Projectiles? |
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John Hand
7
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Posted - 2011.11.06 09:21:00 -
[161] - Quote
Seems like the naga is missing some of its bonuses on SiSi, it doesn't have its hybrid bonuses yet the missile ones are there but not the hybrid ones. At any rate from what I have found and seen from people the hybrid bonuses are supposed to be 10% opti per a level and 7.5% tracking per a level. This makes it a great blaster boat as it will be able to ACTUALLY HIT something smaller then a battleship, and at longer ranges then its armor tanked counterpart. This is the major issue of all these ships, they will be unable to fight ships smaller then there own class, or maybe not even that. The two ships that stand a chance against something smaller is the Talos with its drones, and the Naga with its missiles or with its tracking bonus it gets with guns.
People will say "well thats why you have friends" but then why dose EVERY OTHER SHIP BIGGER THEN A CRUISER HAVE DRONES? These new ships will be the ONLY ships sub cruiser to NOT have drones (some T1 cruiser don't have drones either I know). This is yet another example of CCPs war against drones which cause a lot of lag. Grouping drones server side to treat them as one big super drone when attacking 1 target would SOLVE a lot of that issue. |
SARPIDON
Malum. Darklings
1
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Posted - 2011.11.06 10:07:00 -
[162] - Quote
Whilst its great to look at you've gimped it from the getgo CCP. By spitting the bonus you've put it firmly into The Typhoon bracket of useless.
Could someone who has a clue please look at the stats and address the issue. It's a pittty to have gone to all this hard work over a new ship for it just to become a hanger queen. |
Maaxeru
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.06 10:39:00 -
[163] - Quote
First - Great looking ship! TY CCP for that.
Second - Gimme back my 4th Lowslot and the 2nd Hybrid Bonus.
These are Tier 3 BCs. Make them need BC V or something. But make them useful.
And to those who are b******ng about cruise missiles, really?
- Fire a cruise missile at a target in combat at range, it warps after getting a sandwich, watching some pron, balancing the checkbook, and coming back to game. But certainly before your missile hits it.
- Fire a cruise missile at close range and be laughed at by those fielding torps / blasters / autocannons etc.
I'm sure you can continue to use cruise missiles on your ravens while you are doing your next level 4 mission. |
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
10
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Posted - 2011.11.06 11:24:00 -
[164] - Quote
Just tell them the truth. Hybirds still suck we want missiles plz. |
Shin Dari
The Vendunari Warped Aggression
18
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Posted - 2011.11.06 12:55:00 -
[165] - Quote
John Hand wrote:but then why dose EVERY OTHER SHIP BIGGER THEN A CRUISER HAVE DRONES? Its mostly an old game design flaw. CCP created too many generalist designs.
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Phantomania
Alien Ship Builders Caedite Eos
2
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Posted - 2011.11.06 12:58:00 -
[166] - Quote
Do away with Hybrids on this Missile Boat.
Instead of current stats-
The Naga is a Tier 3 Battlecruiser that sacrifices durability for the ability to fit Large (Battleship-grade) weapons.
Traits Battlecruiser Skill Bonus Per Level: GÇó 10% decreased factor of signature radius for Torpedo's GÇó 10% bonus to Siege Missile Launchers rate of fire
Role Bonus: GÇó 40% reduction in the powergrid need of Siege Missile Launchers GÇó 60% reduction in the CPU need of Siege Missile Launchers
Not sure if the CPU reduction is enough, but a little more is needed!
Please |
Hakuja
White Snake Inc.
5
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Posted - 2011.11.06 14:35:00 -
[167] - Quote
Phantomania wrote: Battlecruiser Skill Bonus Per Level: GÇó 10% decreased factor of signature radius for Torpedo's GÇó 10% bonus to Siege Missile Launchers rate of fire
Role Bonus: GÇó 40% reduction in the powergrid need of Siege Missile Launchers GÇó 60% reduction in the CPU need of Siege Missile Launchers
This, please! |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2011.11.06 14:38:00 -
[168] - Quote
No ****** torp ship. Only matar wants another useless torpedo ship for caldari. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2011.11.06 14:55:00 -
[169] - Quote
Phantomania wrote:Do away with Hybrids on this Missile Boat. Instead of current stats- The Naga is a Tier 3 Battlecruiser that sacrifices durability for the ability to fit Large (Battleship-grade) weapons. Traits Battlecruiser Skill Bonus Per Level: GÇó 10% decreased factor of signature radius for Torpedo's GÇó 10% bonus to Siege Missile Launchers rate of fire Role Bonus: GÇó 40% reduction in the powergrid need of Siege Missile Launchers GÇó 60% reduction in the CPU need of Siege Missile Launchers Not sure if the CPU reduction is enough, but a little more is needed! Please
Well actually Torps with explo radius of faction HM's (if that's what you're suggesting) would just make it incredibly overpowered against small stuff.
Those BC's are intended to hit stuff of their size and above, not below. Rad explo for torps shouldn't go under 250m and with this would already be able to apply serious dmg on small sign ships. You can already fly tornados hitting with no tracking issues stuff under 200m sign radius with huge transversal/radial, those need a big stick nerf on tracking for sure.
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Phantomania
Alien Ship Builders Caedite Eos
3
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Posted - 2011.11.06 15:00:00 -
[170] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:Phantomania wrote:Do away with Hybrids on this Missile Boat. Instead of current stats- The Naga is a Tier 3 Battlecruiser that sacrifices durability for the ability to fit Large (Battleship-grade) weapons. Traits Battlecruiser Skill Bonus Per Level: GÇó 10% decreased factor of signature radius for Torpedo's GÇó 10% bonus to Siege Missile Launchers rate of fire Role Bonus: GÇó 40% reduction in the powergrid need of Siege Missile Launchers GÇó 60% reduction in the CPU need of Siege Missile Launchers Not sure if the CPU reduction is enough, but a little more is needed! Please Well actually Torps with explo radius of faction HM's (if that's what you're suggesting) would just make it incredibly overpowered against small stuff. Those BC's are intended to hit stuff of their size and above, not below. Rad explo for torps shouldn't go under 250m and with this would already be able to apply serious dmg on small sign ships. You can already fly tornados hitting with no tracking issues stuff under 200m sign radius with huge transversal/radial, those need a big stick nerf on tracking for sure.
Well, actually that bonus was aimed at annoyingly fast BC's(not mentioning any names) ! |
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Nimrod Nemesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2011.11.06 16:35:00 -
[171] - Quote
ITT: People who never used torps outside of an SB.
Fix cruise missiles. |
Centurax
Eve Engineering Research Eve Engineering
0
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Posted - 2011.11.06 19:34:00 -
[172] - Quote
As much as I like the Naga, it is trying to do too many things and unfortunately not very well.
Compared to the other 3 tier 3 BCs it is somewhat missing something. This ship would probably fit in better with other Caldari ships if it were made purely a missile platform.
The Naga would benefit from the following:
The slots
8 High - want to keep those 5 Mid - Drop 1 and yes we loose a bit of the tanking capability but seriously not what this ship is about 4 Low - Add 1 low slot so it brings the damage mod capability more in line with the other BCs
The bonuses
10% bonus to Cruise and Torpedo Velocity 10% bonus to Cruise and Torpedo Rate of fire
70% reduction in CPU Cruise and Siege Missile Launchers 50% reduction in Powergrid Cruise and Siege Missile Launchers
Biggest Change would be the ability to use both Cruise and Siege Launchers which would bring it in line with the other BCs again Cruise for long range and Siege for close range (if you want to use them like that)
Keeping the velocity bonus works well to get some much needed range out of the launchers and gets the damage to target a bit quicker.
This ship seriously needs the rate of fire bonus, as launching torps now is painfully slow.
With the CPU and Power, based on what happens currently could use a larger reduction.
Drone bay
A small drone bay (25m3, 5 light drones) would make this ship a bit more usable.
In conclusion, the Naga is a good ship and I really like the ship model that Daved L did, a nice job there congrats on that. BUT this ship is trying to do too many things and unfortunately it is falling short of doing any of them well and I think we can let the Gallente have their hybrid guns this ship will be perfect as a missiles boat. |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2011.11.06 20:37:00 -
[173] - Quote
nah dont make it missiles only |
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
3
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Posted - 2011.11.06 21:34:00 -
[174] - Quote
I want a 5% rof bonus for hybrids and torps on the naga, in addition to the current bonuses. |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2011.11.07 03:09:00 -
[175] - Quote
Well crap. Time to start training for BC5.... |
Nimrod Nemesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2011.11.07 03:37:00 -
[176] - Quote
Garr Earthbender wrote:Well crap. Time to start training for BC5....
You must be in the wrong thread. |
Meat Mayos
Meat Group
0
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Posted - 2011.11.07 04:22:00 -
[177] - Quote
Nimrod Nemesis wrote:Garr Earthbender wrote:Well crap. Time to start training for BC5.... You must be in the wrong thread.
You're funny |
joomla alacard
Indifferent Bastards
0
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Posted - 2011.11.07 05:23:00 -
[178] - Quote
What a shame that this ship design was chosen over so many others in the contest that looked Caldari and looked unique while still being awesome; this ship is not impressive.
However, the Amarr, Gallente, and Minmatar ships all look badass, so 75% is still a decent grade. Still unfortunate...could've been a flawless lineup. |
Project 69
Rennfeuer Curatores Veritatis Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.11.07 10:37:00 -
[179] - Quote
Now if we could only see the launchers for those amazing ships *hint* ;) |
Bosdos
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.07 11:57:00 -
[180] - Quote
It's great idea to rebalance weapon systems effectiveness. What about cost? If you reduce armor and shield by 20% are you also reducing mineral costs to build the ships? If it cost the same to build them with 20% and removing the drone bay? So, are you also balancing cost to build it minus the drone bay on BPO/BPC? |
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Gustav Knuttsen
Billionaires Club C0VEN
2
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Posted - 2011.11.07 12:45:00 -
[181] - Quote
Well this design sucks. Looks like orca ! but rotated LOL.
Hybrids sucks and will be sucking so Caldari friends fight for any missiles !! Otherwise you are doomed and got yet another almost playable ship. !! Caldari and Gallente are ******* orphans with these stupid hybrids ... But fight brothers ! Caldari will raise ! ehh maybe :) |
Mike Whiite
Progressive State
1
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Posted - 2011.11.07 14:57:00 -
[182] - Quote
Love the look.
Will I fly it, probably not if that "talos"clip on youtube is the standard. 5% armor Tornado attacks the naga and destroys is without the Naga being able to hit it.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yuf_JzAkq7E[/url]
And then there are people who complain Caldari pilots only fly drakes |
Major Spag
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
72
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Posted - 2011.11.07 15:41:00 -
[183] - Quote
After trying this out, I can say that the Naga will not be useful in fleet battles. Tracking on Rails is not enough to warrant flying them in fleet battles unless you mount at least 2-3 tracking computers. Even then, sniping fleets are way too passe to be useful in modern battles. As always, torpedo's are not useful for anything but POS shoots or hotdropping onto caps.
What I did find it useful for is belt ratting. The speed plus the ability to fling torps at 24km chews through belt rats like candy. It doesn't have the tank for anomalies which is a shame but I don't consider that a down side. |
Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
5
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Posted - 2011.11.07 18:18:00 -
[184] - Quote
So now that all these nice looking ships are out, when are we going to see more info and Stats on these ship? It'll be nice to see what bonuses these get.
Good work! eëÆWhomever said, "You only get one shot to make a good impression," was utterly wrong. I've made plenty of great impressions with my AutocannonseëÆ eÉà |
Ky Vatta
Majority 12
0
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Posted - 2011.11.07 22:01:00 -
[185] - Quote
Naga = Not as good as (the others)
Its like a spacedock with guns
CCP please please please get a better design, as this one is total FAIL |
Mordecai Heller
Bastards Of New Eden Damned Nation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.08 21:10:00 -
[186] - Quote
It's so beautiful!
I don't care if it turns out to be a terribad pvp ship, I will take that ship and fly it forever! Hope one day launcher models will arrive, it really suits them. |
Princess Cellestia
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
87
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Posted - 2011.11.09 00:43:00 -
[187] - Quote
If CCP removed the hybrid stuff from the naga and beefed up the torp bonuses this thing would be awesome. But so far its weak as hell with torps. And why put blasters on it when you can just use a Talos and get much more dps. Looks like caldari is going to be the redheaded stepchild of the Tier 3s due to the split bonuses. |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2011.11.09 09:41:00 -
[188] - Quote
Princess Cellestia wrote:If CCP removed the hybrid stuff from the naga and beefed up the torp bonuses this thing would be awesome. But so far its weak as hell with torps. And why put blasters on it when you can just use a Talos and get much more dps. Looks like caldari is going to be the redheaded stepchild of the Tier 3s due to the split bonuses.
no just give it +1 +1 bonuses for rails and torps , also make them as speedy/agile as the others |
Ripperljohn
Ore Mongers Indecisive Certainty
8
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Posted - 2011.11.09 13:45:00 -
[189] - Quote
Naomi Knight wrote:Princess Cellestia wrote:If CCP removed the hybrid stuff from the naga and beefed up the torp bonuses this thing would be awesome. But so far its weak as hell with torps. And why put blasters on it when you can just use a Talos and get much more dps. Looks like caldari is going to be the redheaded stepchild of the Tier 3s due to the split bonuses. no just give it +1 +1 bonuses for rails and torps , also make them as speedy/agile as the others
the naga is funnily enough already the most agile one, it's like speeding around in a ruppy.
-rail +torp bonus pls |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
38
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Posted - 2011.11.09 14:18:00 -
[190] - Quote
Princess Cellestia wrote:If CCP removed the hybrid stuff from the naga and beefed up the torp bonuses this thing would be awesome. But so far its weak as hell with torps. And why put blasters on it when you can just use a Talos and get much more dps. Looks like caldari is going to be the redheaded stepchild of the Tier 3s due to the split bonuses. I agree but you forgot hybrids include blasters and rails.
Caldari have always had a split system, rails and missiles.
I agree, one or the other to give a 2nd bonus. Another missile ship I guess.
No fix to rails, a waste of SP on rail spec. |
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ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 07:49:00 -
[191] - Quote
Tried the naga on sisi with torps ................... failed!
Expected abit more out of it and it doesnot deliver |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
10
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:21:00 -
[192] - Quote
If you take a Drake, and fit it with a tank that is as abysmal as what you get with the Nag, you suddenly have plenty of slots available so you can get 800 or 900 dps with heavy assaults, which have a faster explosion velocity, and a smaller explosion radius... than the Nag will have with torps. ... and even doing this I think you'll have a better tank than the Nag... (25% to shield resists really boosts even a 2-slot shield tank with no DCU.)
so, as it stands, not much reason to pay for a Nag. when the Drake is superior in most situations... and near-enough to equal in the rest that it wouldn't matter.
Naga needs a boost if you want many folks to fly it.
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Usurpine
Galactic Defence Consortium United Pod Service
20
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:44:00 -
[193] - Quote
I like the design. Just it should use Cruise Missiles or Torps, not Railguns. Its Caldari. Caldari use Missiles, right ? |
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
20
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Posted - 2011.11.10 10:10:00 -
[194] - Quote
Mike Whiite wrote:Love the look.
Will I fly it, probably not if that "talos"clip on youtube is the standard. 5% armor Tornado attacks the naga and destroys is without the Naga being able to hit it.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yuf_JzAkq7E[/url]
And then there are people who complain Caldari pilots only fly drakes
Yes we saw, when naga dont shot back Tornado could kill it. We saw a Tornado could kill a sniper BS lol. Very hard kill,sure. :D
We saw Tornado is OP 1126 DPS with 3 gyro+hail. LOL Who will using Naga without damage bonus ? No one. Furthermore the torpedos sux without target painter, can't damage with full power the small or fast ships. Can't shot afar like a drake.
Dont forget CCP why created Naga so useless, because they want to change the 0.0 drake fleets to gun fleets (tornado). Missile swarms just create lags, drones create lags, they dont want them. So, they just dont want to create another missile fleet for 0.0 fights. Their own interest the important one. No one care players. |
Mike Whiite
Progressive State
1
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Posted - 2011.11.10 11:44:00 -
[195] - Quote
Tiger's Spirit wrote:[Yes we saw, when naga dont shot back Tornado could kill it.
If you look closely you see the combat log stating that the naga misses again and again
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Potato IQ
Hedion University Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:21:00 -
[196] - Quote
Fantastic looking ship. All four look great, but this one does it for me. And I cross-trained to get out of Caldari ships god-damn you
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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:46:00 -
[197] - Quote
Potato IQ wrote:Fantastic looking ship. All four look great, but this one does it for me. And I cross-trained to get out of Caldari ships god-damn you
yes looks as awesome as your face... |
Jarem Sothra
Rock Ballz INC.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.11 08:11:00 -
[198] - Quote
Buzzmong wrote:The Naga eh?
Can anyone at CCP enlighten me why they've stepped away from the avian names for Caldari? Especially with Naga being deity-like, surely that would have been a better fit with Gallente?
Don't forget, the Caldari Scorpion, Onyx(Latin for 'claw, and a rock snake from Pokemon)), Widow(obviously named for the deadly black widow, an arachnid), Rattlesnake, Drake(a type of dragon or a male duck), Ferox (Latin for 'fierce'), the Wyvern(a mythical winged reptile), etc, etc.
I believe they stepped outside the just avian naming for nature's predators (whether they are real or myth). |
Potato IQ
Hedion University Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2011.11.11 08:57:00 -
[199] - Quote
Naomi Knight wrote:Potato IQ wrote:Fantastic looking ship. All four look great, but this one does it for me. And I cross-trained to get out of Caldari ships god-damn you
yes looks as awesome as your face...
IGÇÖm telling my mum your being mean
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Venustas Blue
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.11.11 12:26:00 -
[200] - Quote
The oracle & Tornado are ok tank wise, not sure as of the talos, but I know for a fact the nagas tank is so bad, needs a buff straight away! |
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Duchess Starbuckington
Starbuckington Manor
12
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Posted - 2011.11.11 12:34:00 -
[201] - Quote
If it's going to be useful with torps it needs a stealth bomber style explosion velocity bonus - and a big one.
What's the point of giving it a weapon system that's only really useful against battleships, when a battleship would swat it like a bug?
The other tier 3 BCs can make use of their agility and speed to make transversal work in their favour, but that doesn't work with missiles, so give the Naga a good bonus for it.
Note: IIRC, it was the explosion velocity bonus that was removed, not the missile velocity bonus? |
m0cking bird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2011.11.12 01:55:00 -
[202] - Quote
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
This thing would have done 500 damager per second @ 30,000 meters (null), very mobile and have the most tank of any nano teir 3 battle-cruiser. Also, does 900 damage per second with anti-matter. I could see these in fleets smashing another fleet of Tornado's and most other ships. With the tracking damage and cap boost to blasters this would have been awesome!
This was a nano-blaster-rokh-A-DOOMZ! This was also a anti battleship, capital and with rigs a anti-battlecruiser platform.
Now it's gimp and sh!t like most of the other tier 3 battlecruisers. Nerfed before it could be called overpowered (died to young). Thing could even fit stasis webifier and still have tank. I was looking forward to these new ships, but now... Think I may take another long break from this game. |
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
18
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Posted - 2011.11.12 09:13:00 -
[203] - Quote
Princess Cellestia wrote:If CCP removed the hybrid stuff from the naga and beefed up the torp bonuses this thing would be awesome. But so far its weak as hell with torps. And why put blasters on it when you can just use a Talos and get much more dps. Looks like caldari is going to be the redheaded stepchild of the Tier 3s due to the split bonuses.
Ya I dont recomend flying the Talos with blasters or rails to anyone ether. As we can see that Hybirds and there ships will be par for corse as normal.
So dont stop your Projectial or Lazer training just yet your still going to need them.
Also if you were one of thoughs that thought Hybirds and there ships were going to be the new FoTM and started training Hybirds and hybird ships you can change your training to something more usefull to yourself then Hybirds and there ships. |
m0cking bird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2011.11.13 19:28:00 -
[204] - Quote
Had sometime to spend on some things. I'm really starting to think all tier 3 battle-cruisers are overpowered. Why would I ever use a Eagle (not that I do now) over a Naga or Talos. Both are incredible long range hybrid platforms. Same with the other tier 3 battle-cruisers (Zealot, Muninn, Eagle, Deimos NERF). CCP should limit these bonuses to auto-cannons, siege missiles, blasters, and pulse lasers. Also, CCP should get rid of siege missiles bonuses and hard-points on the Naga. Stick with hybrids...
This first setup is better than the Talos @ being a blaster ship...Ship has around 40,000 ehp, 1,400m/sec, 900 damage per second.
[Naga, ******] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Medium Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
This set-up is pretty nasty @ range. 500 damage per second @ 100km.
[Naga, ****** On The RooF!] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender I Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I |
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
19
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Posted - 2011.11.14 00:04:00 -
[205] - Quote
m0cking bird wrote:Had sometime to spend on some things. I'm really starting to think all tier 3 battle-cruisers are overpowered. Why would I ever use a Eagle (not that I do now) over a Naga or Talos. Both are incredible long range hybrid platforms. Same with the other tier 3 battle-cruisers (Zealot, Muninn, Eagle, Deimos NERF). CCP should limit these bonuses to auto-cannons, siege missiles, blasters, and pulse lasers. Also, CCP should get rid of siege missiles bonuses and hard-points on the Naga. Stick with hybrids...
This first setup is better than the Talos @ being a blaster ship...Ship has around 40,000 ehp, 1,400m/sec, 900 damage per second.
[Naga, ******] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Medium Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
This set-up is pretty nasty @ range. 500 damage per second @ 100km.
[Naga, ****** On The RooF!] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender I Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Ya now the only problem is that there BS partners are going to out tank all of them at range and rip them apart. There only real shot at Major fleet battles is to get in close with thoughs auto's/blasters/pulse/torps. For small ganges it realy depends on how that gang wants to use them. So I think there just fine as is though I would not be ringing the OP bell just yet as the weapon systems them selfs are Large and there brother BC's get bounses to Med witch are way more usefull against omost all ships.
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Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
4
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Posted - 2011.11.16 01:16:00 -
[206] - Quote
Would have liked to seen more work put into making this a balanced and viable missle boat.
None the less it definately seems to have alot of potential as a gun ship, but I get the feeling it might end up being the least used of the 4.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2011.11.16 04:29:00 -
[207] - Quote
Havegun Willtravel wrote: I get the feeling it might end up being the least used of the 4.
lolwut? It's looking like the better of the much more than four caldari hybrid ships (for practical pvp applications at least), not the worst. And if you expected a drone-less paper-tanked BC to be the new pve hotness, I think you were mislead. |
Mike Whiite
Progressive State
1
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Posted - 2011.11.16 08:22:00 -
[208] - Quote
Nimrod Nemesis wrote:Havegun Willtravel wrote: I get the feeling it might end up being the least used of the 4. lolwut? It's looking like the better of the much more than four caldari hybrid ships (for practical pvp applications at least), not the worst. And if you expected a drone-less paper-tanked BC to be the new pve hotness, I think you were mislead.
And the only one I see now and then are the harp[y and the Falcon, and that last one has more to do with it's ability to use a covert opps cloaking device than a its's hybrid awesomeness.
not to mention Havegun Willtravel was refering to the tier 3 battlecruiseres then caldari hybridships. |
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
5
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Posted - 2011.11.16 10:56:00 -
[209] - Quote
Well I suspect I won't be using any of the hybrid versions of these tier3's, but if I was going to then the Naga is a lot better option than the Talos. And for all of you who continue to insist on trying to post Talos blaster fits - STOP IT ! It is never going to work ! What part of no tank do you not understand !! It's a crappy ship with crappy weapons and no way to survive any close range encounter. Just give up, once and for all. You've flogged that poor dead horse to dust. |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
96
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:11:00 -
[210] - Quote
Havegun Willtravel wrote:Would have liked to seen more work put into making this a balanced and viable missle boat.
None the less it definately seems to have alot of potential as a gun ship, but I get the feeling it might end up being the least used of the 4.
The only missile boat used in PvP is the drake, and not because of the missiles but because it has a great passive tank.
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Mike Whiite
Progressive State
1
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Posted - 2011.11.16 14:30:00 -
[211] - Quote
Vincent Gaines wrote: The only missile boat used in PvP is the drake, and not because of the missiles but because it has a great passive tank.
Probably depends on the what and where. FW is usualy pvp with smaller ships and there are quite some missle ships among those. |
Jazz5253
Galactic Extensive Technologies SUB ROSA ALLIANCE
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:13:00 -
[212] - Quote
Hmmm, was just on SiSi. Naga Show Info isn't stating any bonus for torps. Also wouldn't let me fit torp launchers. :( So now we will have not one but two new hybrid ships coming to the game with the winter expansion. Useless to me...if there are no missiles or torps. :( |
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
21
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:45:00 -
[213] - Quote
Jazz5253 wrote:Hmmm, was just on SiSi. Naga Show Info isn't stating any bonus for torps. Also wouldn't let me fit torp launchers. :( So now we will have not one but two new hybrid ships coming to the game with the winter expansion. Useless to me...if there are no missiles or torps. :(
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=338846#post338846
"Dont forget CCP why created Naga so useless, because they want to change the 0.0 drake fleets to gun fleets (tornado). Missile swarms just create lags, drones create lags, they dont want them. So, they just dont want to create another missile fleet for 0.0 fights." |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
556
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:55:00 -
[214] - Quote
Jazz5253 wrote:Hmmm, was just on SiSi. Naga Show Info isn't stating any bonus for torps. Also wouldn't let me fit torp launchers. :( So now we will have not one but two new hybrid ships coming to the game with the winter expansion. Useless to me...if there are no missiles or torps. :(
No torps now?
Well cross that off the Christmas list. Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Jazz5253
Galactic Extensive Technologies SUB ROSA ALLIANCE
0
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Posted - 2011.11.17 05:08:00 -
[215] - Quote
Jazz5253 wrote:Hmmm, was just on SiSi. Naga Show Info isn't stating any bonus for torps. Also wouldn't let me fit torp launchers. :( So now we will have not one but two new hybrid ships coming to the game with the winter expansion. Useless to me...if there are no missiles or torps. :(
Sadly, today I reported this as a possible bug and quickly received a reply that set that thought straight. So, no new ship for me this expansion...maybe next time.
"Title: Naga on SiSi not fitting Siege missile launchers :( The problem you have described as an intended game feature, and not a bug. Your bugreport has been filtered.
The BugHunter Team" |
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
19
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Posted - 2011.11.17 06:12:00 -
[216] - Quote
Mike Whiite wrote:Nimrod Nemesis wrote:Havegun Willtravel wrote: I get the feeling it might end up being the least used of the 4. lolwut? It's looking like the better of the much more than four caldari hybrid ships (for practical pvp applications at least), not the worst. And if you expected a drone-less paper-tanked BC to be the new pve hotness, I think you were mislead. And the only one I see now and then are the harpy and the Falcon, and that last one has more to do with it's ability to use a covert opps cloaking device than a its's hybrid awesomeness. not to mention Havegun Willtravel was refering to the tier 3 battlecruiseres in stead of caldari hybridships.
This ship will end up being the second most used of the Tier 3 BC's with Winmatar in number 1 place. I will tell you why.
1.) The only other ship in game that can load up 8xTorps or it's = to is a Tech 2 Battle Ship and it's a maurauder class one. So if you want 8XTorps for something in a pvp enviroment but you dont want to or cant take that non-Pvp Marauder ship in there you now can use a Naga in its place.
2.) All the Tier 3 Battle Cruisers are going to be great for taking down class 1-2 POS's were you cant take a Battle Ship into. And Torps are hands down one of the fastest weapons in witch to do that.
3.)Tthis ships would also be great for man handling a capital ship if they happend to build one into there WH system.
4.) Basicly the only things this and all Tier 3 Battle cruisers are going to suck at is Major fleet fights and mybe missions do to lack of tank and drone bays. |
Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.17 07:41:00 -
[217] - Quote
Rip Minner wrote: This ship will end up being the second most used of the Tier 3 BC's with Winmatar in number 1 place. I will tell you why.
1.) The only other ship in game that can load up 8xTorps or it's = to is a Tech 2 Battle Ship and it's a maurauder class one. So if you want 8XTorps for something in a pvp enviroment but you dont want to or cant take that non-Pvp Marauder ship in there you now can use a Naga in its place.
Except that the Naga has NO launcher hardpoints, turrets only! So that is 2 Hybrid platforms and Hybrid Balance is Borked.
What number now? |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
60
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:01:00 -
[218] - Quote
lol
I was looking forward to the naga as torp platform but meh... |
Aphrodite Skripalle
Galactic Defence Consortium United Pod Service
1
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:48:00 -
[219] - Quote
OK, everone really likes the new ships and likes how to make damage.. me too.
But i am pretty sure, if they are overpowered, they will get nerfed soon, because they need to be balanced to not make other ships completly obsolete. IMHO this looks not well balanced, just a bad feeling. Do not give too much chocolate to us, because you will have to take that later away and then people feel bad.
And yes, i have tested them on sisi. |
Voseros
Disturbed Capsuleers
0
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:56:00 -
[220] - Quote
I'll be really disappointed if they do get rid of the torps, at the very least they can stick to the 'raven up close' motif and remove one, or Thor forbid two, of the launchers if they feel its too powerful.
In my view the Naga should be a beasty, cheap, glass, Gank-mobile with Torps fitted and a glass cheaper-than-Rokh sniper with rails fitted.
The purpose of these Tier 3 BC's should be to get players with lower SP's and less ISK able to contribute BS level DPS to their corps fleets, if they're willing to take the risk of being more vulnerable and likely to get primaried than say if they turned up in a Drake or a Cane. Thing is along side BS's they'd should still be less likely to get primaried since the BS's should still be the more expensive ships. |
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Devilmonkey
Free Masons United Inc. Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2011.11.18 02:22:00 -
[221] - Quote
Please dear god keep the torps on the Naga it would be nice to actually see torps as a viable weapon on other than bombers.
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Yankunytjatjara
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
11
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:02:00 -
[222] - Quote
Keep 8 launcher slots, give it fitting bonuses only to torps and rails, and dps/range bonuses only to rails. In this way,
- it doesn't step on the talos toes with blasters - it is still viable as a very short range bs ganker - it becomes not viable as a missile fleet ship, because of range issues - it is a very viable fleet ship with rails
Removing the speed bonus on torps is fine, after all when you are maximising your transversal your torps don't need to go too far ;)
On the other hand, bonuses on blasters aren't that good without a tracking bonus: if you are maximizing your transversal, you break your tracking too.
So keeping the launcher slots gives it a short range possibility without any drawbacks. |
Willaev
KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance
0
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Posted - 2011.11.18 14:27:00 -
[223] - Quote
Yankunytjatjara wrote:Keep 8 launcher slots, give it fitting bonuses only to torps and rails, and dps/range bonuses only to rails. In this way,
- it doesn't step on the talos toes with blasters - it is still viable as a very short range bs ganker - it becomes not viable as a missile fleet ship, because of range issues - it is a very viable fleet ship with rails
Removing the speed bonus on torps is fine, after all when you are maximising your transversal your torps don't need to go too far ;)
On the other hand, bonuses on blasters aren't that good without a tracking bonus: if you are maximizing your transversal, you break your tracking too.
So keeping the launcher slots gives it a short range possibility without any drawbacks.
Actually, increase the missile velocity bonus/level but add a corresponding missile flight time penalty/level. Call 'em "Hyper-velocity Torpedoes". Faster damage application, same range.
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Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
30
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Posted - 2011.11.22 07:12:00 -
[224] - Quote
Just thought I would stop by and give my condolances to the new Hybird only Naga. A fair number of Gallente's feel the same way about are new ship too.
You could have used a 8xBS Missile boat that was not a Marauder and we could have realy used another Drone ships.
But we both got what we got. So good luck with yours and we will do are best over here too.
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OldWolf69
IR0N. Integrated Research and Industrial Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2011.11.26 10:10:00 -
[225] - Quote
If it's gonna be a second-fail-rokh...my condoleances too, ccp. great improvement, deep tought, brilliant imbalance of things. where did i hear last time 'sandbox'? |
Vedje
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:40:00 -
[226] - Quote
I love how CCP did what CCP does
Promised Tier 3, as it sounds almost as Tech 3 Pretty good marketing trick, however also a pretty cheap trick, and i lost my respect towards the crowd with this bullshit.
Then launched Tier 3 which wasn't part of the deal, namely given caldari a bc that uses blasters only. It's like equiping a boat with air bags, or an race car with a lifeboat. Very useful indeed.
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Kae Bee
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:48:00 -
[227] - Quote
....hmmm......
Crucible here, but its Naga ad in the 4th paragragh still shows torps CAN be fitted!
I hope no1 resubscribed to EvE because of this ad showing a Torp Naga!
....could get ugly! |
OldWolf69
IR0N. Integrated Research and Industrial Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:59:00 -
[228] - Quote
Shure, you can also fit rails on a Scorp, and use it for ratting. |
M4NOS theGREEK
November 17th Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:00:00 -
[229] - Quote
well im a new player.and new to eve gate also...i play only some months ..the truth is that i liked most of the crucible features and it seems you ccp guys have done a very good job.. i play caldari ships and i love my missles-torpedoes...so i feel a little betrayed... i think you gave all the other races their correct guns but you gave us a turrets only ship...please reconsider your decision or give us a second kind of naga like (hawk-harpy) with the proper bonuses..thnx in advance... |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
6
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:56:00 -
[230] - Quote
For those who cant figure out how to use a ship that does over 500 DPS at 110K then shame on them.... |
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OldWolf69
IR0N. Integrated Research and Industrial Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2011.11.30 13:24:00 -
[231] - Quote
Maybe some of us hoped to do that dmg with torps...? Or some other kind of missile? If Caldari still won't use Hybrids, means you force them into those, by giving just gunboats out? Once again, what sandbox? |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
6
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Posted - 2011.11.30 13:51:00 -
[232] - Quote
I am a caldari pilot, with 500 kills in a SB so I love torps as much as the next guy . I was also loathe to train gunnery and large railgun spec as well, but, once you have it is well worth it.Not to mention if you train the support skills ( as well you should) you pretty much opened up a lot of other ships as well, and it will now take minimal time to get into other ships of other races, like, say, a tornado, or most other minmatar (or gallente) ships.
I took the plunge and dont regret it.I still fly mostly Caldari but it's nice to have other options instead of being pissed off all the time I cant use guns. |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
6
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Posted - 2011.11.30 14:09:00 -
[233] - Quote
Torps on a glass tank BC that cant take any damage,with a huge sig, that has to get in close,with no drones to defend against tackle, and a weapon system that wont do squat against small targets would have left you very disappointed after a brief period I am sure.
Yes, you have to invest time to fly it but you will find it is a viable ship, with strongpoints no other ship has, and I have no doubt will quickly become the best Caldari gunboat, and probably one of the best long range gunboats in game.
Instant heavy DPS from long range in a maneuverable platform is something Caldari hasnt had, and you dont have to lay out 130 mil isk for it like a Rokh. |
OldWolf69
IR0N. Integrated Research and Industrial Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2011.11.30 14:29:00 -
[234] - Quote
Point was not the performance of it. Point was that they should do also a pvp-able missile boat. Is just like doing a uber-minnie-boat with torps. They can use missiles, but they basically ALL projectyle weapons. Shure, this won't happen to minmatar even if they have ot close the game for not doing it. But, once again. "Imbalance". Big Word. |
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