• You can only reasonably use one mobile tractor at once, which is a really slow way to do it (especially at range). If you're leaving them behind to return and clean up later that's fine, but for loot/salvage as you go, 3 tractors and a flight of salvage drones is going to keep up much better.
• Yes, ACs are always fighting in falloff. But with ridiculous 70km+ falloffs, if you pick the right spot to set up you're still going to be applying at least as much DPS on average as best-case-scenario arties.
• Even with a relatively tanky close range Bastion fit, you're already stacking so many range modules that the Bastion bonus is tiny and any more modules aren't going to help significantly.

There's certainly nothing wrong with using an arty Vargur if that's your thing. It'll work just fine. But ACs still feel like the stronger option to me. (I reserve the right to change my mind on a mission-by-mission basis, but haven't yet found one where I felt arties would work better.)

Whats wrong with homogenisation? Why cant my Vagabond have 800 dps like my Ishtar? What is it that minmatar seem to have more or less the worst ships across the board

Golem and Paladin would smoke a Vargur shooting at BS at range of 50km +, most mission in Minmatar space have only a few BS and room filled with frigates and cruisers which the Vargur just smoke everything you can name, Vargur has higher scan resolution and much better tracking. Only mission i can think of that Vargur has problems is The Blockade, Angel Extravaganza, Massive Attack and The Assault since you have to move with mwd... We can switch to Barrage for higher range.

On missions like Attack of the drones, intercept the Saboteur, Damsel, Vengeance or World Collide... to name a few, the Vargur will smoke anything due to proximity and target size. I'm talking Minmatar space here, would probably not do so well in other region. Not sure why you would want to fly a Vargur elsewhere tbh...

because the only agents worth running mission in empire are SOE agents.

even with 70 km falloff. Vargur is far far less effective than golem and paladin ( I do not have a kronos to comapre, have only the other 3). I only undock the vargur for a single misson now.. Buzz kill. Its the only one the vargur completes faster than the other 2. In the others, its WAY slower.

Falloff is nOT range. at 70 km you are doign HORRIBLE DPS. If your falloff is 70 km, you should try to fight at 25 km to have a GOOD dps. Anythign further than that and you do less dps than a paladin does at 70 km and less than a golem does at 200 km

*shrug* I'll take your word for it. I'm only trained in Minmatar so far, so I couldn't really care less about the other ones. All I know is that Rubicon improved the Vargur for me.


Huh? Falloff is not range? Of course it is. And no, no one's suggesting to run a 70km falloff ship with a 70km engagement range, so you can forget that strawman. But at 48km (edge of tractor range) on a reasonable Vargur fit, you still get around 70% of max DPS, which is nothing to sneeze at, especially since it only increases as things get closer (and you have lots of leeway there with the great tracking).

vargur is only good on missions where the rats throw themselves upon you.

You got a big hole in EM. slower speed, slower scan, no crits and slower ROF.

And to answer the quote that's about 85% of minmatar missions.