Did, wont, its worse, and if you cant read above then dont contribute.

VARGUR

Role Bonus: 100% bonus to large projectile weapon damage, 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams, 70% reduction in Micro Jump Drive reactivation delay

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to large projectile turret rate of fire
10% bonus to large projectile turret falloff per level

Marauder Skill Bonus:
7.5% bonus to Shield Boost amount
7.5% bonus to large projectile turret tracking per level


Slot layout: 8H(+1), 6M, 5L; 4 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 12900 PWG(+5000), 625 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 8300(+700) / 7300(+500) / 6900 (-400)
Shield resists: 25% EM / 50% EX / 40% KIN / 30% THERM
Armor resists: 70% EM / 10% EX / 25% KIN / 43.125% THERM
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 6200(+575) / 1100s(+176.1s) / 5.6 cap/s (-0.4)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 110 m/s(-20) / .112(-0.004) / 96520000(-9580000) / 14.99s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-25) / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 81km(+6km) / 145(+60) / 10
Sensor strength: 11 Ladar
Signature radius: 360(-65)

So how exactly is it worse then?



As you see, NO damage/application bonus was changed. If your pre rubicon fit doesn't work exactly the way as before you are doing something wrong. horribly wrong. And point still stands: no one forces you to use MJDs and Bastion.

only an idiot would complain about a 25% range buff coupled with a 150% tank increase. . .

The vargur now is just straight better than the vargur from monday; im not sure what youre complaining about.

That being said, the vargur does do the least DPS by about 10%, but you are forgetting that the vargur has selectable damage types and doesnt lose 1/4 of its DPS to defender missiles

so hard to read?
Check DRONES -25

and check speed

-20 ms


And a ship does get worse ven when its not changed, as lon g as the other ships that comepte with it became better.

So...ummm, Macharial ------>

If 20MS means that much to you. We know Fozzie ******* hates matar, but it is what it is.

A typical carebear response. MOAR tank PLEASE - the rats are frightening.

A cruiser beats this beasts DPS - its overtanked undergunned.

Really? your cruiser can do 925 DPS at 4.5 + 66 km using no drones? Please tell me more about your mystery cruiser . . .

Typical moron response. Post first think never.

so hard to read?
Check DRONES -25

and check speed

-20 ms


And a ship does get worse ven when its not changed, as lon g as the other ships that comepte with it became better.

So...ummm, Macharial ------>

If 20MS means that much to you. We know Fozzie ******* hates matar, but it is what it is.

A cruiser beats this beasts DPS - its overtanked undergunned.

Edit: forum derp

Guess I might as well put something here, so I guess I'll just reiterate that if you were using a Vargur for mobility, you've been using the wrong tool for the job. And just because a change to a ship may have put a crimp in your playstyle, it doesn't render the ship useless.

When the vargur becomes the WORSE marauder it is a nerf. Its ismple.

When the vargur becomes the WORSE marauder it is a nerf. Its ismple.

When the vargur becomes the WORSE marauder it is a nerf. Its ismple.

So it gets better tank, better range enough grid to use arties.....

...but its a nerf because the others got buffed more? Can you be a little more emotional, because you certainly aren't making a very logical case.

Confirming that terrible pilots, flying ships badly will always whine.

That is all.

Reaffirms my belief that posts as useful as this are making eve a better place.

Yes - and on a vargur 50km is at the 100 dps range of autocannons. Try it.

So please read above. My optimal on Autos is 4k, my falloff is 60k. I use Bastion and have to sit still while those rats move to 50k. Work it out FFS. I fit an AB and have a much slower ship. I get NO benefit from bastion in an autocannon setup.

With artillery - dps application is stupidly low, stupidly slow, mostly missing or overhitting (the 100% to gun exacerbates the problem).

The Paladin and Golem work as their optimals are great on long range. 3 Kronos sold by corpmates and now 2 Vargurs gone. Mine going.

Perhaps the Vargur needs a revisit - ROF up - tracking gone? I dunno. Its just quite disappointing with the promise of Bastion?

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To put it short: you're staring at an insanely good monkey wrench and asking why it isn't that great at hammering in nails.

The only time this monkey wrench is more effective compared to the old version is when it is hammering nails.

I couldn't disagree more. I shaved 10-15 minutes off my Dread Pirate Scarlet completion time by using MWD and Bastion compared to the week prior. That's a huge increase in effectiveness.

Now... could I have used the same MWD tactic prior to Rubicon? I guess. I thought of it for the Mach, but not the Varg before Tuesday.

But Bastion makes it easier, and frees up mid slots for more Tracking Computers by needing fewer tank modules. Not to mention that being E-war proof is a huge benefit in certain missions. (DPS in particular, if you get Pith Eliminator spawns.)

I dunno. I just cannot sympathize with disappointment over the changes.

I couldn't disagree more. I shaved 10-15 minutes off my Dread Pirate Scarlet completion time by using MWD and Bastion compared to the week prior. That's a huge increase in effectiveness.

Now... could I have used the same MWD tactic prior to Rubicon? I guess. I thought of it for the Mach, but not the Varg before Tuesday.

But Bastion makes it easier, and frees up mid slots for more Tracking Computers by needing fewer tank modules. Not to mention that being E-war proof is a huge benefit in certain missions. (DPS in particular, if you get Pith Eliminator spawns.)

I dunno. I just cannot sympathize with disappointment over the changes.

The reason why a lot of people are happy with the changes is that they changed their setups and their tactics too.

Or just switch to a Paladin after the Mach gets nerfed.

Wow - did you learn to read?

The reason why a lot of people are happy with the changes is that they changed their setups and their tactics too. I already had MWD, 2x TC, 1x TE, 4x gyro, Burst Aerator II fitted, and I hardly ever had issues with my tank or cap. There is not much to improve on this. Drop an invulnerability field for an MJD? That is practically nothing. I would rather have the speed back.

925 dps at 4.5 you numpty. at 66 it isnt.

Theres something missing between your ears.